felixomor:
If u are not a hypocrite? How did Christianity enslave your ancestors and why are you using the education and civilization brought by the christian missionaries today?
Where will u have been without the education they brought u? Maybe killing twins and sacrificing human heads and worshipping animals.

Sometimes, u people just write for writing sake. Sorry to say
Mscheww,

SirShifty:

There is not a word of condemnation in the Bible against slavery, it is even openly endorsed and encouraged. The last thing on the mind of missionaries was spreading education and civilization they were here solely to convert people. I am not using the education brought to me by Christian missionaries, if i was i would be a creationist and believe in Adam or Eve or a young earth. The education and civilization i have access to is due to the latest advancements by scientists and innovators not missionaries, we would had access to them regardless of missionaries. They had no problem with the practice of killing twins for over a 100 years, one example of a good woman does not change that.

felixomor:


Open lies.

Christianity teaches to love your neighbour as yourself. Period. That commandment covers everything.
Besides the old testament says
Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

The missionaries brought u education. Built the first schools, thats how education came.
There is no evidence they openly endorsed slavery, sorry.
Slavemasters whom ur ancestors willignly kidnapped and sold their kinsmen to were not the missionaries.
And just listen to urself by saying ur education is due to latest innovators.
So in ur mind, a building can exist without its foundations, right?
And sorry christians were even the pioneers of good education worldwide.
Harvard, Yale and other best universities were built by Christians and their mottos founded on christian ideas.

Please go and read some history before coming up with threads like these.

SirShifty:
Are we all born as atheists before we are labelled at birth and told we are Christian, Muslim or Hindu. Over 95% of all people in any given religion were born into it through their parents and therefore indoctrinated from birth to have those beliefs. Religious people can easily see the shortcomings in their respective religions but they fail to see the ones in their own religion.
From birth we are taught to suppress our critical thinking skills, privilege faith over reason and accept whatever our cultures have imposed on us. It is not easy to break free from this indoctrination, a Christian African is a sad site; spreading the same ideology that enslaved his ancestors. An ideology that the people who brought these ideas here are largely abandoning and today they are the biggest mockers of this belief system.
It is high time we abandon religion, so we can progress scientifically and technologically. Think of how ridiculous it is for someone to dismiss Evolution which is backed by over 150 years of research, latest technology, genome sequencing and empirical data simply because of religious beliefs. Africa is awash with religious fundamentalists, superstition, disregard for science, charlatan preachers it is like a plague on our continent. If we could drop these outdated ideas we can make a great step forward to catching up with the rest of the world.
This is a sad state of affairs

SirShifty:

You clearly have not read your Bible
''When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son........ (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

People who happened to be Christians made contributions does not mean that Christianity should be given the praise, would you give credit to Islam for the golden years when they were the leading mathematicians and astronomers while Europe was a backwater
You forget how many scientists and astronomers like Galileo were persecuted by Christians for disputing the claims made in the Bible.
Yes, my current education is due to the latest contributions, people prior to that came from people with all kinds of religious background, people that happened to be Christians does not mean Christianity should get the praise
The fact is the biggest contributions today are been made by non-believers, religion is holding Africa back
Europeans are abandoning religion, the poorest states in the US are in the bible belt
Religion is a stumbling block to progress, in the 21st century with all our advancements it has served its course, God is now irrelevant do explanations of our origin

felixomor:



U started by saying the bible did not condemn slavery and I showed u both from NT and OT, but now u have change course and started quoting pieces os scripture out of context. Well, that aside knowing well u were wrong on ur first claim.

If u r equating what the catholics did to Christianity, sorry.

Please how many universities did Islam establish?
And besides please if u want to remain on slave trade, go and google and see who beats the islamic transarabic slave trade?
And wait u r now giving credit to islam (a religion)? I thought u said we should do away with all?

And then u say Christianity shouldnt get credit for education, who then should get the credit? Atheists? Mscheww
But the same christianity should be blamed for slave trade.

And sorry there are many religious countries that are prosperous. Sorry religion is not the problem.
Poor leadership is the problem coupled with the blame-blame attitude u r showing right now.

And while u say "God is irrelevant", u r lonely, because majority dont agree with u.
Moreover u r not the first to say it. People said it centuries ago and centuries later we are still praising God.

SirShifty:

How can a verse giving instructions on how to buy and sell your daughter into slavery possibly be out of context
I am by no means praising Islam, i am pointing out that contributions made by people who happened to be muslim should not be attributed to their religion

I can blame Christianity for the slave trade because it endorses it in their scriptures, if God wanted to condemn slavery he would have made it clear as day, why would he leave it to interpretation. He had no problem condemning adultery, blasphemy directly why couldn't he do the same with slavery
Poor leadership helped by religious people sitting in pews being fed opium listening to a pastor or imam paid by a politician to say don't worry God will take care of all our problems all is well just keep on praying and gives us tithes
Look, God is on the ropes the most advanced countries are abandoning religion in droves
Atheism makes us focus on the here and now we are not hoping for some mystic eternal life thing, or divine intervention
Ask yourself one thing, why are majority of the leading scientists and physicists non-religious, God is not even a subject of discussion in their circles.
God does truly exist, only in the minds of people and he is important to many, that does not change the fact that he is irrelevant in explaining our origins

SirShifty:

There is not a word of condemnation in the Bible against slavery, it is even openly endorsed and encouraged. The last thing on the mind of missionaries was spreading education and civilization they were here solely to convert people. I am not using the education brought to me by Christian missionaries, if i was i would be a creationist and believe in Adam or Eve or a young earth. The education and civilization i have access to is due to the latest advancements by scientists and innovators not missionaries, we would had access to them regardless of missionaries. They had no problem with the practice of killing twins for over a 100 years, one example of a good woman does not change that.

SirShifty:
Are we all born as atheists

malvisguy212:
the slavery described in the Old Testament was quite different from the kind of slavery we think of today in which people are captured and sold as slaves. According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:

He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells
him or he is found in his possession, shall
surely be put to death." ( Exodus 21:16)

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
neither slave nor free man, there is neither
male nor female; for you are all one in Christ
Jesus. ( Galatians 3:28)

malvisguy212:
According to Old Testament law, anyone caught selling another person into slavery was to be executed:
He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death." ( Exodus 21:16)

felixomor:


Cut the talk on slavery, u made a claim on the bible and I debunked it.
Period.
The last time I checked, religious people still made up the most of nobel prize winners.
I dont know where u got ur stats from.
And when u say God is irrelevant, statistically speaking, u r wrong.
There is still no better explanation for the origin of the universe than his creation, sorry.

SirShifty:

Claiming a verse is out of context, or quoting another scripture only shows how contradictory the bible is
Historically, of course most nobel prize winners are or were Christians, things have changed are changing.Scientific advancement has accelerated at break neck speed and now we have no need for God to explain anything. The only place where religious belief is growing is in Africa and that is because of the birth rate, this is an indictment if anything
Most people believe in God, still does not change the fact we no longer need to invoke him to explain anything
God's creation of the universe is not an explanation it is an unsubstantiated claim

felixomor:
If u are not a hypocrite? How did Christianity enslave your ancestors and why are you using the education and civilization brought by the christian missionaries today?
Where will u have been without the education they brought u? Maybe killing twins and sacrificing human heads and worshipping animals.

Sometimes, u people just write for writing sake. Sorry to say
Mscheww,

AnonyNymous:

One thing, I think 'agnostics' is more suitable. Young children are agnostic, and they ask questions before they are indoctrinated/force fed with religion. Of only we could keep being agnostic throughout our lives. Being agnostic on things is what has advanced technology to this point, its better to say 'I don't know' and then try to find out like science does, instead of filling the gaps with lies.

mmsen:


Yorubas never killed twins. It was only a small group of people, in a cluster of villages in what is now Cross River state who did that. Even today Cross River is one of the least populated areas of Nigeria, with a population of less than 4 million. Imagine what the population would have been in the 1800s with higher death rates and infant mortality rates.

And what is the difference between worshipping animals and worshipping dead Jewish people? Praying to supposed virgin mothers? Or pleading with dead people for favor and guidance?

felixomor:


Are u actually trying to vindicate a tribe thay still buries people with their king?
Sory, no tribe is innocent.
Moreover, (as reards Christianity) can u show me where Jesus Christ said u should pray with dead people?

mmsen:


Do you have evidence of other 'tribes' killing twins?

I'm not vindicating anything - you made a fallacious argument. The number of people who engaged in the foolish practice that you speak of would have been in the thousands, at most.

The burying people with kings ended a long time ago. Societies will always adapt, that includes adopting and discarding religions. Just as people flocked to adopt xtianity and Islam because they were sources of power, so too will people discard them to join new groups and adopt modern ideas that enable them to acquire power and privilege. That is why religion tends to spread along trade routes.

Also, Jesus is reported to have a said a lot of things that xtians ignore - your beef is with them, not me.

Christians pray to Jesus, who is dead. Some of them pray to Mary, also deceased. Some address their prayers to saints, also dead.

felixomor:

Please how did u know Jesus is dead? Moreover, ur eyes seem to have only seen "killing of twins" in my post? And how did the comment on "killing of twins' amount to fallacy?

felixomor:


Please how did u know Jesus is dead?
Moreover, ur eyes seem to have only seen "killing of twins" in my post?
And how did the comment on "killing of twins' amount to fallacy?

SirShifty:

I think you are right, agnostic is more suitable. Absolute certainty in any aspect what stifles progress, religious indoctrination is a scourge.
I consider myself an Agnostic Atheist

Seun:
Atheism is perfectly suitable since it just means a lack of belief in any god. It does not require certainty. The vast majority of atheists will not claim to be certain. Babies are atheists, because they don't believe in any God. They are converted to religion by their parents. Simple!

Seun:
Atheism is perfectly suitable since it just means a lack of belief in any god. It does not require certainty. The vast majority of atheists will not claim to be certain. Babies are atheists, because they don't believe in any God. They are converted to religion by their parents. Simple!

mmsen:


I'm wrong to say that Jesus is dead because we have no evidence that he was ever alive.

hopefulLandlord:


he was killed by three nails

SirShifty:
Are we all born as atheists before we are labelled at birth and told we are Christian, Muslim or Hindu. Over 95% of all people in any given religion were born into it through their parents and therefore indoctrinated from birth to have those beliefs. Religious people can easily see the shortcomings in their respective religions but they fail to see the ones in their own religion.

From birth we are taught to suppress our critical thinking skills, privilege faith over reason and accept whatever our cultures have imposed on us. It is not easy to break free from this indoctrination, a Christian African is a sad site; spreading the same ideology that enslaved his ancestors. An ideology that the people who brought these ideas here are largely abandoning and today they are the biggest mockers of this belief system.

It is high time we abandon religion, so we can progress scientifically and technologically. Think of how ridiculous it is for someone to dismiss Evolution which is backed by over 150 years of research, latest technology, genome sequencing and empirical data simply because of religious beliefs. Africa is awash with religious fundamentalists, superstition, disregard for science, charlatan preachers it is like a plague on our continent. If we could drop these outdated ideas we can make a great step forward to catching up with the rest of the world.

This is a sad state of affairs

From birth we are taught to suppress our critical thinking skills, privilege faith over reason and accept whatever our cultures have imposed on us.

KingEbukasBlog:



Since you are now an atheist , please tell us what you achieved in life with critical thinking that makes you better than us here
https://www.nairaland.com/3009541/negro-atheists-show-me-works

Since the beginning of the existence of man , atheists started making notable achievements from the 18th century - meaning it took over 6000 years to make an achievement with all the high levels of critical thinking . Wawu !
https://www.nairaland.com/3299993/what-prominent-achievements-made-atheists

Don't you know about Ancient Egypt and civilization ? Ancient Egyptians had the myriads of gods they worshiped and they were more advanced in knowledge and civilization than any other nation . What about the Greeks and their pantheon of gods ? The Hellenic polytheists - Aristotle , Pythagoras - all worshiped these gods and are still doyens in philosophy and mathematics - respected even in this modern era . Pythagoras even believed in mysticism and founded a religious cult - Pythagoreanism .

There are so many great minds that had different religious beliefs and what they believed did not inhibit their intellectual development .

But wait, atheists have just a handful of great minds throughout history of mankind . I don't think they are up 10 great minds who are atheists.

Also note that Christianity , deism and the Hellenic polytheism own most of the great minds .

Lest I forget , I want to let you know that evolution isn't a modern scientific idea , very archaic in fact . The idea of Evolution started with the Mayan culture around 600 BC . Then came the Thales of Miletus (640–546 BC) who first came up with the idea that life came from water and there was the Greek philosopher Empedocles (493–435 BC) who is described as the father of evolutionary naturalism . Even the Hindus believed in evolution but in a more spiritual sense .

Atheism has nothing to offer humanity my friend , it tried to with communism and it was bloodshed . I proved atheism was the animus that led to killings of millions HERE and you guys claimed that atheism does not motivate anything . And here , you clearly suggested that atheism motivates critical thinking bla bla bla - this means you are contradicting yaselves . If you agree atheism motivates critical thinking then atheism was indeed the animus that led to the killings

Peace !