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Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by mrrights: 2:12pm On Oct 18, 2016
Islam is a religion of peace. Yet, Sunni hate Shia till date and Shia equally hates Sunni. So, where is the peace? Between Shia and Sunni, Islam is lost. This is why the Quran said, there is no sect in Islam. You can't be Shia or Sunni, you can only be Muslim. If you are Sunni or Shia, you have deviated from Islam. Fact.

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Sarcasm01: 3:09pm On Oct 18, 2016
What is ur evidence that sunni is a sect?

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by mrrights: 3:52pm On Oct 18, 2016
?

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Newnas(m): 11:03am On Oct 24, 2016
mrrights:
Islam is a religion of peace. Yet, Sunni hate Shia till date and Shia equally hates Sunni. So, where is the peace? Between Shia and Sunni, Islam is lost. This is why the Quran said, there is no sect in Islam. You can't be Shia or Sunni, you can only be Muslim. If you are Sunni or Shia, you have deviated from Islam. Fact.

*The Way People Conceive the Sunni-Shia Matter is Very Wrong*

The religion of Islam which Allah sent the messenger with alyhissolaat wassalaam is one, but the people deviated from the true and pristine Islam giving themselves new and foreign ideologies.

The misguidance of shism is just one of many other misguidances though it's arguably the worst of all deviant sects.

These new deviant sects varied in their deviation from the Quran and sunnah. The worst of these ideologies are the shia, jahmiyyah and those who claim that they have another prophet such as the Qodiyaanis popularly known as the ahmadis.

Others include the khawarij which people refer to today as 'extremist Muslim sects' they recklessly declare people as disbelievers and spill their blood. Jabata and his followers in ilorin are also a subset of the khawarij sect except that they don't kill but they share the same basic ideology of calling people disbelievers.

The murji'ah, the mu'tazilites, ashaa'irah, maaturidiyyah, sufiyyah and the partisans who keep breaking into pieces forming new jamaa'at such as TMC, OTM, ikhwanul muslimeen etc are all examples of the deviant sects.

The major sign of partisans is that they love and hate based on the constitution and laws of their party even if it contradicts the Quran and sunnah according to the interpretation of the righteous predecessors.

I heard of a party which refused to allow the Imam of the town to pray on a dead Muslim? Why? They said this is the corpse of so and so Islamic organization or society, subhanaLLaah!!!

Those who remained on the Quran and sunnah are the Ahlu sunnah and their creed never changed over the centuries because the truth never changes.

The messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam said:

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba:

The Prophet said, "A group of my follower swill remain predominant (victorious) till Allah's Order (the gentle wind which will take the soul of the believers) comes upon them while they are still predominant (victorious).
(Bukharee)


Unlike the deviants whose ideologies can be traced back to a particular person and a particular time. In fact those deviant ideologies have developed over time and changed and adjusted according to the whims and desires of their followers.

So, shia is just one of many other misguidances that the Ummah of Islam is battling with.

But why the Sunni or AhluSunnah or Salafi(yyah) 'tag'? why can't we just call ourselves Muslims?

For two reasons:

# Calling ourselves Muslims will mean that the deviants are not Muslims and therefore will be in hell forever. This contradicts the sunnah of our messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam, those deviant sects are sinners by deviating thus having right to Allah's punishment just like every other sinner except that their sins doesn't take them out of Islam except those whose deviations have reached the level of disbelief like the grave worshippers and the Sufi sheikhs who claim that they are exempted from observing Solah and Ramadan!

# Second reason is that the name Muslim is shared by everyone who associates himself to the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam.
Both deviants and non Deviants. There's a need to identify the people of guidance from others just as Allah named us Muslims to separate us from other forms of deviation from the true religion of our father Adam.

May Allah increase us in beneficial knowledge and steadfastness upon the sunnah of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam and understanding of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who followed them.

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Newnas(m): 11:03am On Oct 24, 2016
mrrights:
Islam is a religion of peace. Yet, Sunni hate Shia till date and Shia equally hates Sunni. So, where is the peace? Between Shia and Sunni, Islam is lost. This is why the Quran said, there is no sect in Islam. You can't be Shia or Sunni, you can only be Muslim. If you are Sunni or Shia, you have deviated from Islam. Fact.

The Way People Conceive the Sunni-Shia Matter is Very Wrong

The religion of Islam which Allah sent the messenger with alyhissolaat wassalaam is one, but the people deviated from the true and pristine Islam giving themselves new and foreign ideologies.

The misguidance of shism is just one of many other misguidances though it's arguably the worst of all deviant sects.

These new deviant sects varied in their deviation from the Quran and sunnah. The worst of these ideologies are the shia, jahmiyyah and those who claim that they have another prophet such as the Qodiyaanis popularly known as the ahmadis.

Others include the khawarij which people refer to today as 'extremist Muslim sects' they recklessly declare people as disbelievers and spill their blood. Jabata and his followers in ilorin are also a subset of the khawarij sect except that they don't kill but they share the same basic ideology of calling people disbelievers.

The murji'ah, the mu'tazilites, ashaa'irah, maaturidiyyah, sufiyyah and the partisans who keep breaking into pieces forming new jamaa'at such as TMC, OTM, ikhwanul muslimeen etc are all examples of the deviant sects.

The major sign of partisans is that they love and hate based on the constitution and laws of their party even if it contradicts the Quran and sunnah according to the interpretation of the righteous predecessors.

I heard of a party which refused to allow the Imam of the town to pray on a dead Muslim? Why? They said this is the corpse of so and so Islamic organization or society, subhanaLLaah!!!

Those who remained on the Quran and sunnah are the Ahlu sunnah and their creed never changed over the centuries because the truth never changes.

The messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam said:

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu`ba:

The Prophet said, "A group of my follower swill remain predominant (victorious) till Allah's Order (the gentle wind which will take the soul of the believers) comes upon them while they are still predominant (victorious).
(Bukharee)


Unlike the deviants whose ideologies can be traced back to a particular person and a particular time. In fact those deviant ideologies have developed over time and changed and adjusted according to the whims and desires of their followers.

So, shia is just one of many other misguidances that the Ummah of Islam is battling with.

But why the Sunni or AhluSunnah or Salafi(yyah) 'tag'? why can't we just call ourselves Muslims?

For two reasons:

# Calling ourselves Muslims will mean that the deviants are not Muslims and therefore will be in hell forever. This contradicts the sunnah of our messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam, those deviant sects are sinners by deviating thus having right to Allah's punishment just like every other sinner except that their sins doesn't take them out of Islam except those whose deviations have reached the level of disbelief like the grave worshippers and the Sufi sheikhs who claim that they are exempted from observing Solah and Ramadan!

# Second reason is that the name Muslim is shared by everyone who associates himself to the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam.
Both deviants and non Deviants. There's a need to identify the people of guidance from others just as Allah named us Muslims to separate us from other forms of deviation from the true religion of our father Adam.

May Allah increase us in beneficial knowledge and steadfastness upon the sunnah of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam and understanding of the companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum and those who followed them.

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by AlBaqir(m): 2:09pm On Oct 24, 2016
mrrights:
Islam is a religion of peace. Yet, Sunni hate Shia till date and Shia equally hates Sunni. So, where is the peace? Between Shia and Sunni, Islam is lost. This is why the Quran said, there is no sect in Islam. You can't be Shia or Sunni, you can only be Muslim. If you are Sunni or Shia, you have deviated from Islam. Fact.

#Today, I think it is more of politics than religious. Religion was just being used as excuse to common man.. Islam is bigger than Sunnism or Shi'ism. During lifetime of Nabi, he knew the hypocrites (and their havocs) in his Ummah. Yet he never exposed them. Why? Because his mission (Islam) is far bigger than those people. Sunni and Shia have come together to a significant and appreciable level. There are lots of facts to this effect however some elements from both sides (e.g the Saudi Wahabi and the Shi'i yasiriyah etc) continue to drag the relationship into mud.

# Interestingly the Saudi used to have a good alliance with Iran during the Shah regime when Iran used to be friend with America and Israels. They turned their back immediately when Iranian revolution ousted Shah regime.

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by AlBaqir(m): 2:10pm On Oct 24, 2016
AL AZHAR — FATWA ON SHIAS
Al-Azhar’s fatwa on Shias.

Statements about Shias by the Chancellor of al-Azhar University, Dr. Ahmad al-Tayyib. In an interview to Egyptian Al Neel Channel, Dr. Ahmad al-Tayyib, the Chancellor of Al-Azhar University (Egypt)

Q. In your opinion, isn’t there any problem in Shia Beliefs?

A. Never, 50 years ago Shaikh Mahmood Shaltoot, the then Chancellor of Al Azhar, had issued a fatwa that Shia School is the fifth Islamic School and as like as the other schools.

Q. Our children are embracing Shia Islam, what should we do?

A. Let them convert and to embrace Shia School. If someone leaves Maliki or Hanafi Sect, do we criticize him? These children are just leaving fourth school and join the fifth.

Q. The Shias are becoming relatives with us and they are getting married with our children!

A. What is wrong with this, marriage between religions is allowed.

Q. It is said that the Shias have a different Quran!

A. These are the myths and superstitions of the elderly women. Shia Quran has no any difference with ours, and even the script of their Quran is like our alphabet.

Q. 23 clerics of a country (Saudi Arabia) issued a fatwa that the Shia are infidels, heretics (Kafirs)!!

A. Al-Azhar is the only authority to issue fatwa for Muslims; therefore the above said fatwa is invalid and unreliable.

Q. So what does the difference – being raised between the Shia and the Sunni – mean?

A. These differences are the part of the policies of foreign powers who seek conflict between The Shia and the Sunni.

Q. I have a very serious question that “the Shia do not accept Abu Bakr and Umar, how you can say they are Muslims?“

A. Yes, they do not accept them. But is the belief in Abu Bakr and Umar a part of the principles of Islam? The story of Abu Bakr and Umar is historic and history has nothing to do with fundamentals of the beliefs.

Q. (The reporter surprised by the response, asks) Shia has a fundamental problem and that is “they say that their Imam the time (امام العصر) is still alive after 1,000 years!“

A. He may be alive, why is it not possible? But there is no reason that we – as Sunni – should believe just like them.

Q. (Referring to Imam Mohammad Taqi al-Jawad AS, (the 9th Imam of Shias) the reporter asked) The Shias believe that one of their Imams was just eight-year old when he became Imam; is it possible that an eight-year-old child be the Imam?

A. If an infant in a cradle can be a prophet (Issa AS), then why an eight-year-old child can not be the Imam? It is not strange. Although we may not accept this belief as we are Sunni. However, this belief does not harm their Islam, and they are Muslims.

Translated by F.H.Mahdavimy

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Newnas(m): 3:22pm On Oct 24, 2016
AlBaqir:


#Today, I think it is more of politics than religious. Religion was just being used as excuse to common man.. Islam is bigger than Sunnism or Shi'ism. During lifetime of Nabi, he knew the hypocrites (and their havocs) in his Ummah. Yet he never exposed them. Why? Because his mission (Islam) is far bigger than those people. Sunni and Shia have come together to a significant and appreciable level. There are lots of facts to this effect however some elements from both sides (e.g the Saudi Wahabi and the Iraqi Shirazi etc) continue to drag the relationship into mud.

Whoever wishes to politicize his religion can do so, the creed of Islam is above any politics or interrelationship between two countries.

And your claim that it politics is only a propaganda to trivialize the misguidance and deviations of the shia religion.

As the hypocrites, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam knew them, he exposed them and told their names to some of his companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum. The companions knew well the hypocrites.
Allah forbid, that His messenger leaves his ummah in confusion not knowing who are righteous people and otherwise.

The only thing that the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam didn't do is to kill them because it would make the disbelievers say Muhammad is killing his followers.

All your statement are lies and taqiyyah!! The hatred you have for the Muslims is unspeakable.

# Is it politics that made you call Abu Hurayrah a dotard?!

# or it's politics that made you insult the wives of the messenger alyhissolaat

#or it's politics that made you say the Quran has been distorted?

#or it's politics that made you call ahlu sunnah ahlu fitnah?

# or it's politics that made you create that ugly thread at at past seven this morning?!

And many other evils and blasphemies you spread!

Surah As-Saff, Verse 2-3
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ

O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do?

كَبُرَ مَقْتًا عِندَ اللَّهِ أَن تَقُولُوا مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ

Most hateful it is with Allah that you say that which you do not do.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Nobody: 9:18pm On Oct 24, 2016
Newnas:


Whoever wishes to politicize his religion can do so, the creed of Islam is above any politics or interrelationship between two countries.

And your claim that it politics is only a propaganda to trivialize the misguidance and deviations of the shia religion.

As the hypocrites, the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam knew them, he exposed them and told their names to some of his companions rodiyaLLaahu anhum. The companions knew well the hypocrites.
Allah forbid, that His messenger leaves his ummah in confusion not knowing who are righteous people and otherwise.

The only thing that the messenger alyhissolaat wassalaam didn't do is to kill them because it would make the disbelievers say Muhammad is killing his followers.

All your statement are lies and taqiyyah!! The hatred you have for the Muslims is unspeakable.

# Is it politics that made you call Abu Hurayrah a dotard?!

# or it's politics that made you insult the wives of the messenger alyhissolaat

#or it's politics that made you say the Quran has been distorted?

#or it's politics that made you call ahlu sunnah ahlu fitnah?

# or it's politics that made you create that ugly thread at at past seven this morning?!

And many other evils and blasphemies you spread!

Surah As-Saff, Verse 2-3
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِمَ تَقُولُونَ مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ

O you who believe! Why do you say that which you do not do?

كَبُرَ مَقْتًا عِندَ اللَّهِ أَن تَقُولُوا مَا لَا تَفْعَلُونَ

Most hateful it is with Allah that you say that which you do not do.
(English - Mohsin Khan)

via iQuran

May Allah continue to bless you. The curse of Allah, angels and all mankind shall descend upon any shaitanic being that insult or made it an article of Faith to insult the pious household of Muhammad saw without exception.

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by AlBaqir(m): 9:38pm On Oct 24, 2016
FriendChoice:


The curse of Allah, angels and all mankind shall descend upon any shaitanic being that insult or made it an article of Faith to insult the pious household of Muhammad saw without exception.

Allahuma Aaaaamin.


In al-Musanaf Ibn Abi Shayba, volume 7 page 496 as well as in Sunan Ibn Majah [annotated by al-Albani] Volume 1 page 45 we read the following tradition:

عن سعد بن أبي وقاص قال قدم معاوية في بعض حجاته فدخل عليه سعد فذكروا عليا فنال منه فغضب سعد وقال تقول هذا

“On his way to Hajj, Sa’d met Mu’awiya (ibn Abi Sufyan) and his companions mentioned Ali upon which Mu’awiya cursed him, Sa’d got angry and asked ‘why do you say such things?’”

Allamah al-Albani says: Sahih (authentic)

Then Albani added:

فنال منه)) أي نال معاوية من علي وتكلم فيه))

“((cursed him)) means Mu’awyia cursed Ali and spoke ill about him”

# Imam Muslim also reported similar hadith in his Sahih. You wanna see that also? grin

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Nobody: 10:10pm On Oct 24, 2016
Shi'a Curse Both The Wives And Companions Of Muhammad Pbum

The Shi'a infidels curses, fabricate lies and Hadith against the companions of Muhammad peace be upon him to justify their actions in calling them Fornicators.

They mainly insult Abubakar (R.D) the first caliph of Islam and his daughter Aisha (R.D) the wife prophet Muhammad (Pbum). They insult Umar (R D) the second caliph of Islam and his daughter Hafsat (R.D) also a wife of prophet Muhammad (Pbum). They also insult the third caliph of Islam Usman (R.D) and many others. However they believe in Aliyu (R D) and His wife Fatima (R.D ) a daughter to prophet Muhammad (Pbum).

They come up with lies that this companions kills the daughter of the Prophet and many more stories to which non Muslim also take those stories of Shi'a infidels to challenge Islam.

Allah (SWT) believes and Trust the companions and Wives of the Prophet you insult.


ﻭَﺍﻟﺴَّﺎﺑِﻘُﻮﻥَ ﺍﻷَﻭَّﻟُﻮﻥَ ﻣِﻦَ ﺍﻟْﻤُﻬَﺎﺟِﺮِﻳﻦَ ﻭَﺍﻷَﻧﺼَﺎﺭِ ﻭَﺍﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﺍﺗَّﺒَﻌُﻮﻫُﻢ
ﺑِﺈِﺣْﺴَﺎﻥٍ ﺭَّﺿِﻲَ ﺍﻟﻠّﻪُ ﻋَﻨْﻬُﻢْ ﻭَﺭَﺿُﻮﺍْ ﻋَﻨْﻪُ ﻭَﺃَﻋَﺪَّ ﻟَﻬُﻢْ ﺟَﻨَّﺎﺕٍ ﺗَﺠْﺮِﻱ
ﺗَﺤْﺘَﻬَﺎ ﺍﻷَﻧْﻬَﺎﺭُ ﺧَﺎﻟِﺪِﻳﻦَ ﻓِﻴﻬَﺎ ﺃَﺑَﺪًﺍ ﺫ

And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and those who followed them with good conduct - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.


The Muhajiruuns are the Prophet and his companions that left Mecca for Madina among which is Abubakar, Umar, Usman (R.D) etc. Allah says he is pleased with them you said you're not.

Those Who You Insult Will Go To Paradise While You Will End In Hell

[b]Narrated Sa'id ibn Zayd : AbdurRahman ibn al-Akhnas said that when he was in the mosque, a man mentioned Ali (may Allah be pleased with him). So Sa'id ibn Zayd got up and said: I bear witness to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him ) that I heard him say: Ten people will go to Paradise: Abu Bakr will go to Paradise, Umar will go to Paradise, Uthman will go to Paradise, Ali will go to Paradise, Talhah will go to Paradise: Zubayr ibn al-Awam will go to paradise, Abdur Rahman bin Awf will go to Paradise, Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas will go to Paradise, and Abu 'Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah will go to paradise. If I wish, I can mention the tenth. The People asked: Who is he: So he kept silence. They again asked: Who is he: He replied: He is Sa'id ibn Zayd.

Do Not Insult My Companions = Shi'a say we must

"Do not ask about what is in the stars, and do not explain the Qur'an according to your opinion, and do not insult any of my Companions: that is true faith." [/b]


Shi"a Curse And Insult Their Mothers (Astagfirrullah)

The shi'a as aforementioned curse the Wives of the Prophet namely Hafsat and Aisha (R.Ds)

Allah says if you are a believer then Aisha and Hafsat (R.D) are your mothers in faith, model for all Islamic women

The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers... (Surat al-Ahzab: 6)


Shi'a Called Prophet Muhammad (Pbum) A Fornicator (Astagfirrullah)

By calling the pious wives of the Prophet Pbum prostitutes and Pagans. You Automatically call the Prophet Pbum the same thing. Allah says

The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers. Quran 24:3

A Fornicator does not Marry except Fornicator.

If you call Aisha (R D) a Fornicator tell me who is she marrying

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by AlBaqir(m): 4:22am On Oct 25, 2016
mrrights:
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grin You can clearly see those two wahabi elements on this thread. Forget Shia now, they simply cannot tolerate ANYBODY except themselves. Go and check their history on NL Islam section. Very intolerant and hostile. They are far from the merciful nature of Nabi, to all.

Look at what Quran says about people like them:


Surah Al-Baqarah: 11-12
"‏وَ اِذَا قِیۡلَ لَہُمۡ لَا تُفۡسِدُوۡا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ۙ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّمَا نَحۡنُ مُصۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱﴾‏

When it is said to them: ‘Do not spread disorder in the land,’ they say: ‘It is we who reform.’ "

"‏اَلَاۤ اِنَّہُمۡ ہُمُ الۡمُفۡسِدُوۡنَ وَ لٰکِنۡ لَّا یَشۡعُرُوۡنَ ﴿۱۲﴾‏

Beware! (Truly) it is they who spread disorder, but they do not have any sense (of it) at all. "

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Nobody: 9:52pm On Oct 25, 2016
"Do not abuse my Companions, for if any of you were to spend gold equal to (mountain of) Uhud in charity, it would not equal a handful of one of them or even half of that" [al- Bukharee, Muslim]. And he said, [size=17] "WHOEVER ABUSES MY COMPANIONS, UPON THEM IS THE CURSE OF ALLAH, THE ANGELS AND ALL THE PEOPLE" [Saheeh, At-Tabaranee]. [/size]

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by Newnas(m): 10:09pm On Oct 25, 2016
AlBaqir:


Allahuma Aaaaamin.


In al-Musanaf Ibn Abi Shayba, volume 7 page 496 as well as in Sunan Ibn Majah [annotated by al-Albani] Volume 1 page 45 we read the following tradition:

عن سعد بن أبي وقاص قال قدم معاوية في بعض حجاته فدخل عليه سعد فذكروا عليا فنال منه فغضب سعد وقال تقول هذا

“On his way to Hajj, Sa’d met Mu’awiya (ibn Abi Sufyan) and his companions mentioned Ali upon which Mu’awiya cursed him, Sa’d got angry and asked ‘why do you say such things?’”

Allamah al-Albani says: Sahih (authentic)

Then Albani added:

فنال منه)) أي نال معاوية من علي وتكلم فيه))

“((cursed him)) means Mu’awyia cursed Ali and spoke ill about him”

# Imam Muslim also reported similar hadith in his Sahih. You wanna see that also? grin

AlBaqir is a bloody and evil liar and a chief deceiver.
May the curse of Allah be upon the liars.

See how he translates the verb naala to mean curse. SubhanaLLaah, this man is a shaitan!!!

It says in mu'jamul Wajeez:نال منه :سبه و وقع فيه.

Naala means to say negative about a person.
How does that mean curse?!

Only Allah can recompense these deviants for their evils!! !

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Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by AlBaqir(m): 4:01pm On Oct 26, 2016
Newnas:


AlBaqir is a bloody and evil liar and a chief deceiver.
May the curse of Allah be upon the liars.

See how he translates the verb naala to mean curse. SubhanaLLaah, this man is a shaitan!!!

It says in mu'jamul Wajeez:نال منه :سبه و وقع فيه.

Naala means to say negative about a person.
How does that mean curse?!

Only Allah can recompense these deviants for their evils!! !

#The word سب is what is translated as curse. And curse is one of its several meanings. Why "curse" fits this context is because of corroborating evidences. Are you afraid that your master Mu'awiyah cursed Mawla of every believer? grin Yes you should be because cursing or insulting Imam Ali is cursing or insulting Nabi and Allah. And that is Jahanam.

Re: Between Sunni and Shia, Islam Is Lost by AlBaqir(m): 4:13pm On Oct 26, 2016
AlBaqir:


#The word سب is what is translated as curse. And curse is one of its several meanings. Why "curse" fits this context is because of corroborating evidences. Are you afraid that your master Mu'awiyah cursed Mawla of every believer? grin Yes you should be because cursing or insulting Imam Ali is cursing or insulting Nabi and Allah. And that is Jahanam.


Imam Muslim reports:

Amir b. Sa'd b. Abi Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that:

Muawiya (b. Abi Sufyan) commanded Sa'd (ibn Abi Waqqas), and said, "What prevented you from CURSING Abu al-Turab (i.e 'Ali b. Abi Talib) [ما منهك ان تسب ابا التراب؟ ]? So, he (Sa'd) replied: It is because of three things which I remember Allah's Messenger (s) having said about him..."

Ref: {Sahih Muslim (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi)[annotator: Muhammad Fu'ad Abd al-Baqi], vol. 4, p. 1870, #2404(32)}

What does Mu'awiyah commanded Sa'd ibn Abi Waqqas before asking : "What prevented you from CURSING Abu al-Turab (i.e 'Ali b. Abi Talib) [ما منعك ان تسب ابا التراب؟ ]?

In classical Arabic, this sentence structure was used why a direct order had been disobeyed, by the commander himself.

An example of this is in Quran 38: 75

قَالَ يَٰٓإِبۡلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَن تَسۡجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقۡتُ بِيَدَيَّۖ أَسۡتَكۡبَرۡتَ أَمۡ كُنتَ مِنَ ٱلۡعَالِينَ

He said: O Iblis! what prevented you that you should do obeisance to him whom I created with My two hands?

In that hadith, there was an explicit order to do something. We therefore, from Mu'awiyah's question, gathered that he ordered Sa'd ibn Waqqas to curse Ali.

Sheik Ibn Taymiyyah agrees when he says:

As for the hadith of Sa'd, when Mu'awiyah commanded him to curse, and he refused, and he (Mu'awiyah) therefore said: What prevented you from cursing Ali ibn Abi Talib?...this hadith is Sahih (authentic), Muslim has narrated it"

Ref: Minhaj al-Sunnah al-Nabawiyah (Muasassat Qurtubah, 1st edition 1406H) [annotator: Dr. Muhammad Rashad Salim ], vol.5, pg.42.
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