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Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by muhsin(m): 1:48pm On Oct 23, 2009
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In fact, there are different ways to prove that the Qur'an is the word of God, which has always been true and has never been subjected to change or distortion. These proofs can be classified into three types: the way the Qur'an was transmitted throughout the centuries, some challenging verses within the Qur'an itself, and the periodic, modern-day discoveries in the universe that were first mentioned in the Qur'an more than fourteen centuries ago.

Unlike the Bible and Old Testament that have been subject to innumerable translations, doubtful and spurious transmissions, and corruptions at the hands of clerics up till now (with the “gender sensitive” versions coming out these days), the Qur'an was transmitted to us in an unprecedented and unique manner according to rigorous rules of transmission. The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) via the angel Gabriel, and the Prophet subsequently memorized the whole scripture.

Thousands of the Companions of the Prophet learned the Qur'an directly from the Prophet (pbuh). They memorized it and were known in Islamic history as huffaadh (the memorizers and preservers of the Qur'an). Moreover, a number of Companions wrote it down during the lifetime of the Prophet (peace be upon him), and it was compiled in its entirety immediately after his death.

The following generation of Muslims learned the Qur’an directly from the Companions. Thus the chain of teaching and learning through direct contact continued systematically, methodically, and meticulously until the present age.

Additionally, several of the Companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) were appointed as scribes to record the words of the revelation directly from the Prophet himself on parchment, leather, or whatever else was available. The most famous of these scribes was Zayd ibn Thabit, who also memorized the entire Qur’an, and he formed with the others a community of huffaadh that can be compared to academic societies of our present time.

We know the Qur’an was recorded in totality during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) and the different surahs (chapters) personally arranged by him. Many copies of the text were used for study and teaching, even in Mecca before the Hijrah, the migration to Medina.

The entire Qur’an was written down during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, and trusting the fact that many scholars knew it by heart, it was not collected in one volume. It was personally arranged by him, and the Muslims memorized it in the same order. The companion Uthman reported that whenever a new verse was revealed, the Prophet would immediately call a scribe to record it. He would instruct the person to put the specific verse or verses in a particular chapter.

Furthermore, every year during the month of Ramadan, the Prophet would recite the whole Qur’an from beginning to end in its present-day arrangement, and everyday people could hear it from his own lips in the mosque. Its sequence is no mystery. Many of the Companions not only memorized it completely, they also wrote it down and even added commentary (tafseer) on their own personal copies. When the Prophet passed away, the whole Qur’an was already written down, but it was not yet compiled in book form.

During the rule of the first Caliph Abu Bakr, there was a rebellion among some distant Arab tribes that resulted in a series of fierce battles. In one particular battle, a number Companions who had memorized the Qur’an were killed. The Companion Omar worried that the knowledge of the Qur’an was in danger, thus he convinced Abu Bakr that the Qur’an should be compiled into book form as a means of preserving it once and for all.

Zayd bin Thabit was entrusted with this important task. Zayd followed strict methods in his compilation and had dozens of other huffaadh recheck his work to ensure its accuracy. Abu Bakr, who had also committed the entire Qur’an to memory, approved of the final product. After Abu Bakr passed away, the copy was passed to the Caliph ‘Omar, and then Uthman.

However as the Muslim world expanded into lands where the people spoke Arabic as a second language, the new Muslims had a difficult time learning the correct pronunciation of the text. The Caliph Uthman consulted other Companions, and they agreed that official copies of the Qur’an should be inscribed using only the pronunciation of the Quraysh tribe, the Arabic dialect that the Prophet spoke.

Zayd bin Thabit was again given this assignment, and three other huffaadh were assigned to help him in the task. Together, the four scribes borrowed the original, complete copy of the Qur’an, duplicated it manually many times over, and then distributed them to all of the major Muslim cities within the empire. Two of these copies still exist today: one is in Istanbul and the other in Tashkent.

One must keep in mind that in traditional learning in the Arab world, transmission was based upon an oral tradition as well as a written one; the Arabs (and later all Muslims) excelled in accurately reporting scripture, poetry, aphorisms, etc. through the generations without change. Similarly, the chain of huffaadh was never broken, and thus the Qur'an today has reached us in two forms: the memorized version transmitted through the scholarly chain, and the written version based upon the Companions’ initial recording.

If the Qur’an had been changed, there would be huge discrepancies between these two today, as the Qur’an has reached isolated (and sometimes illiterate) communities through the memorized form of transmission without the written form to correct it. No such discrepancies have ever been recorded or reported. In other words, isolated village A in African Mali and isolated village B in Afghanistan will both produce contemporary huffaadh reciting the same words of the Qur’an, though they did not learn from a similar printing of the scripture nor has there ever been a concerted international effort to rectify would-be discrepancies.

Allah has said in the Qur’an that He alone will protect His book, and indeed He has kept His promise. The Qur’an that we read today contains the same exact words that were revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) over 1400 years ago. This is quite a miracle, especially when you consider that no other group of people can say that their book has not been subject to change by the time it reached the present generation.

Only the Qur’an has survived through the centuries unchanged, and the language in which it was revealed, classical Arabic, still enjoys practical usage around the world. While classic English of the 14th century can be understand by very few native English speakers, the Qur’an can be understood by the vast majority of Arabic-speaking Muslims. When compared to other scriptures, the Qur’an is unique in these two respects.

Furthermore, from the prolific arts that have accompanied Qur’anic learning and transmission, we can learn of the auspiciousness and honor with which the Muslims have traditionally held the Qur’an. The visual arts of calligraphy and binding, and the vocal art of recitation represent examples of such arts, and from them we can see that veracity of transmission would be understood as a fundamental aspect of Qur’anic reverence.

As regards the proofs within the Qur'an itself, they can be found in the following Qur’anic challenges:


Surah 4, verse 82:

*{Do they not then meditate on the Qur’an? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy.}*




Surah 17, verse 88:
*{Say: If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others.}*




And Surah 2, verse 23:

*{And if you are in doubt as to that which We have revealed to Our servant, then produce a chapter like it and call on your witnesses besides Allah if you are truthful.}*


Source:http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/, AskAboutIslamE
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by sleek29(m): 8:05am On Oct 26, 2009
Explain how mary is aaron's sister? grin

How you can have bones before flesh grin

What happened to the parts goats ate under aisha's bed, and if you still think the quran is the oldest book with any scientific writing just look for any hippocrates, galen, aristotle writings, and these people lived far before mo' grin
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by dexmond: 8:16pm On Oct 29, 2009
Kindly answer Sleeks question about the protion of your quran that was eaten by goat. Was it later recovered? What verse was that? Is your Quran then complete?
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by ruhu: 1:19pm On Oct 30, 2009
Sleeks and dexmond,d verse u are talking about,dat is eaten by d goat is d verse of stoning adulterers to death.When dis verse was revealed 2 Muhammad,cos normally when any verse is revealed,they are documented,and when it was revealed,Umar ibn khattab(one of d rightly guarded caliphs of Muhammad)asked 2 document it(write it down as part of d quran),but Muhammad made it known 2 him dat d verse is not mean't 2 b documented as part of d qur'an but will be delivered through d sunnah and dat is why d ruling of fornication is what u will find in d qur'an but not adultery,instead u will find it in d hadiths.So sleek and dexmond,d issue of goat eating d leaves of d verse under Aisha's bed or not is of no use cos Aisha only got them written down just 2 know it and dat is why nobody among d ummah even when Muhammad was alive,memorised dis verse.But Umar then said after d death of Muhammad dat he is afraid a time may come after generations when people will b saying dat d verse of stoning is not in d Qur'an and it is practiced so they wil neglect d law and wil not use it again.He said this out of d love he has 4 Islam and d sharia,in d islamic world d stoning 2 death of adulterers is still in practice till today but only those who hates Islam will b confused abt dis verse may b it is one of d basis set by God dat will not allow dem 2 believe in Islam so dat they may end up in hell.They have known dat d Bible has been touched(removing some verses and fabricating some)and they do not want only d Bible 2 b reputed like dat,they want especially d Quran too 2 b like dat so dat d issue of their changes of God's book b overlooked,and dat is why they've been doing their best 2 raise some issues regarding completeness or imcompleteness of d Quran with no clear evidence and basis even going far as printing another copy of d Qur'an and distributing dem freely in d East,thank God the fabricated Qur'ans(stating there dat fornication is allowed,jihad is haram etc) printed by dis jews and christians were all gathered and destroyed.The Quran states in Quran 3:69 that"A party of the people of the scripture(jews and christians)wish to lead you astray.But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves,and they perceive not".We muslims has d only book of God dat has remain up till today unchanged cos it is God dat is preserving it Quran 15:9 states dat"Verily,it is we who have sent down the reminder(Qur'an)and it is we who shall preserve it".Also see Quran 41:41-42.We are d best of peoples ever raised up 4 mankind cos we don't change God's words,we follow those do's and don'ts set out by God,we are d only one practicing d law of God(sharia) etc. Quran 3:110"You[true believers in Islamic monotheism,and real followers of prophet Muhammad SAW and his sunnah(legal ways,etc)]are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind;you enjoin Al-maroof(i.e Islamic monotheism and all that Islam has ordained)and forbid Al-munkar(polytheism,disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden),and you believe in Allah.And had the people of the scripture(Jews and Christians)believed,it would have been better for them;among them are some who have faith,but most of them are Al-fasiqoon(disobedient to Allah and rebellious against Allah's command).
Let me round up with dis one in Quran 2:176"That is because Allah has sent down the Book(the Quran)in truth.And verily,those who disputed as regards the Book are far away in opposition".
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Muhseen(m): 1:05pm On Oct 31, 2009
@ruhu,

I kinda wonder if that long reply was necessary. Why? The guys won't believe a word you say. They are soooooooo myopic to fathom it. May Allah guide them to the right and straight path, ameen.

Thanks for the response on my behalf. May Allah bless and reward you handsomely, ameen.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by dexmond: 6:05pm On Nov 01, 2009
@Ruhu etal.
Your defense is weak because you do not have adequate knowledge of the hadiths. Lest you say I’m lying, I’ll show you an authentic hadith to show that the unrecovered parts of the quran were meant to be part of the Quran. Moreover, you said “the verse was not intended, therefore it was not written down”. What about the part of the quran that was recovered from the memories of the “Qaris of the quran (those who memorized it)”? Umar shouldn’t have included them since they were not written down. You also said it was documented by Aisha. I’m sure Aisha was also an illiterate; she may not even have her own private stenographer. Watch out for the big and bold fonts in the below hadith.

Sahih Bukhari 6:60:201
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit Al-Ansari: who was one of those who used to write the Divine Revelation: Abu Bakr sent for me after the (heavy) casualties among the warriors (of the battle) of Yamama (where a great number of Qurra' were killed). 'Umar was present with Abu Bakr who said, 'Umar has come to me and said, The people have suffered heavy casualties on the day of (the battle of) Yamama, and I am afraid that there will be more casualties among the Qurra' (those who know the Qur'an by heart) at other battle-fields, [size=14pt] whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost, unless you collect it. [/size] And I am of the opinion that you should collect the Qur'an." Abu Bakr added, "I said to 'Umar, 'How can I do something which Allah's Apostle has not done?' 'Umar said (to me), 'By Allah, it is (really) a good thing.' So 'Umar kept on pressing, trying to persuade me to accept his proposal, till Allah opened my bosom for it and I had the same opinion as 'Umar." (Zaid bin Thabit addedsmiley Umar was sitting with him (Abu Bakr) and was not speaking. me). "You are a wise young man and we do not suspect you (of telling lies or of forgetfulness): and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Apostle. Therefore, look for the Qur'an and collect it (in one manuscript). " By Allah, if he (Abu Bakr) had ordered me to shift one of the mountains (from its place) it would not have been harder for me than what he had ordered me concerning the collection of the Qur'an. I said to both of them, "How dare you do a thing which the Prophet has not done?" Abu Bakr said, "By Allah, it is (really) a good thing. So I kept on arguing with him about it till Allah opened my bosom for that which He had opened the bosoms of Abu Bakr and Umar.  [size=14pt] So I started locating Quranic material and collecting it from parchments, scapula, leaf-stalks of date palms and from the memories of men (who knew it by heart) . [/size]. I found with Khuzaima two Verses of Surat-at-Tauba which I had not found with anybody else, (and they were),



In conclusion, from the above hadith, the verse was supposed to be part of the quran. I want you to show me a hadith where muhammed said the verse was not meant to be a sunnah.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 7:17pm On Nov 01, 2009
Ain't you tired of being a nuisance, eh ? You forged a hadith to suit you and now you wrote a hadith that does not correspond with our arguement. You are funny dude.

'Allah mocks at them and gives them increase in their wrong-doing to wander blindly' Quran 2:15
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by dexmond: 7:42pm On Nov 01, 2009
So you mean you don't have any copy of  hadith?  shocked You can go to this islamic sites to read, ok. Don't be angry at what you are reading they are authentic. That is why I always quote sahih Muslim or Bukahri.

[size=14pt]أدعو الله أن تظهر لك الحقيقة[/size]
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/content01.html

http://www.luvu4luv.com/Hadith_Bukhari.html
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 11:21pm On Nov 01, 2009
Suddenly you want to change the topic, haba dexmond, we ain't slowpoke, why are you jumping to different matters so as to get rescue, where is ur hadith that says Muhammad attempted suicide , don't you even dare quote that forgery you compose,
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by dexmond: 11:45pm On Nov 01, 2009
We are discussing the portion of allah's book that was eaten by goat and not whether Muhammad attempted suicide or not. Lets trash out this one first.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 11:56pm On Nov 01, 2009
Hahaha, you see
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by sleek29(m): 9:42am On Nov 02, 2009
After Umar's death in 644, Uthman ibn Affan, Muhammad's son-in-law and one of his first converts, was appointed the third caliph by a panel of six Meccan electors. Although an elderly man, he carried on Umar's policy of territorial expansion. Eventually, however, Uthman earned the enmity of many of his subjects, who felt he favored the Meccan aristocracy in political and commercial affairs. Uthman also antagonized the Islamic preachers by issuing an official text of the Qur'an (Koran), with an accompanying order to destroy all other versions. Rebellious Muslim troops from Al Kūfah (Iraq) and Egypt besieged Uthman in Medina and assassinated him in 656.

now what happened to all other versions ?, has it never been changed ? where are the destroyed versions, the present one is the uthmanic text(which is not the original)
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 4:38pm On Nov 02, 2009
Does a pinch of blood changes the colour of an ocean ?
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by sleek29(m): 5:14pm On Nov 02, 2009
it doesn't change the colour as that can be seen with the human eye but it affects its chemical composition grin, i thought its totally original.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 6:20pm On Nov 02, 2009
It does not affect even the chemical composition , I have ten scripts, containing the same thing in each, if 5 got missing why will i get worried huh ?
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by dexmond: 7:31pm On Nov 02, 2009
Thank you Abuzola for acknowledging that some verses of the book which allah promised to protect got lost.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 7:38pm On Nov 02, 2009
Hmmm
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by sleek29(m): 9:08am On Nov 03, 2009
the missing verses include the ''satanic verses'', well done abuzola, at least you accepted that some parts are missing, can i say that the satanic verses are a pint of blood in an ocean? and why did uthman order for the previous versions to be destroyed?, does it contradict his own version?
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 9:58am On Nov 03, 2009
You people are so dumb,

Dialect: Oxford dictionary:- a form of a language used in a particular region or a particular social group.

I have help you with the definition so don't come acting like a dunce,

the Quran was revealed in 7 dialect, for example yemen language, Quraish language,the farsi language, etc just like we have the Quran in hindi of India, hausa of nigeria, yoruba of nigeria, swahil of kenya, as you can see what is in the Hausa Quran will be the same with the hindi Quran.
usman adopted the Quraishi dialect, and burnt a few of the other, so that only one dialect can be use, but as am talking to you the 7 dialect exist and you can purchase it at any Islamic shop, just tell the book keeper the dialect version you need
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by sleek29(m): 1:54pm On Nov 03, 2009
the prophet was a quraish and yet the quran was revealed to him in 7 dialects, or what are you saying?

how did it turn to 7 dialects from the one dialect of the prophet?

Who turned it to 7 different dialects? Umar?

And if these were just a problem of dialects, why order them to be destroyed if they don't affect the meaning?

why was uthman killed anyway?, maybe because he removed allah's daughters


And how come the ones he produced don't have the present marks which affects its pronunciation and meaning ?

man don't contradict yourself, if arabic is the so called language of paradise, do we have dialects in paradise ?
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 4:52pm On Nov 03, 2009
Just like yoruba language, there are different accent likewise hausa, the hausa in kano differ from hausa in sokoto, katsina hausa is as well different. If you don't get it then go and die with your block head.

Umar was assasinated by a slave who felt that umar ruling on his case was unfair, out of anger he struck him
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by sleek29(m): 8:06am On Nov 06, 2009
i wasn't talking about umar, i meant uthman who issued another text, and which one out of the various dialects is allah's own, which dialect was the quran revealed in, you have no answer, uthman is the author of the quran muslims read now, he skillfully removed he satanic verses.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by muhsin(m): 12:06pm On Nov 06, 2009
Salam,

I am just having a peep at the forum; get little time, thus can't make any long reply.

Good job, brother Abuzola. May Allah guide us all, ameen.
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by Abuzola(m): 6:26am On Nov 07, 2009
Amin and u too.

@sleek- I can see you lack understanding, is adoption of a single dialect an offence, if you wish to compare the other 6 dialect you are free, go to an islamic book shop and do you research and alas you will realize that it is the same , is just the pattern of the accent/arabic that differ
Re: Proof The Qur'an's Never Been Changed by muhsin(m): 4:41pm On Nov 12, 2009
sleek29:

i wasn't talking about umar, i meant uthman who issued another text, and which one out of the various dialects is allah's own, which dialect was the quran revealed in, you have no answer, uthman is the author of the quran muslims read now, he skillfully removed he satanic verses.

Confusionist, you now believe there is nothing like Satanic Verses in the guarded Qur'an? Funny.

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