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Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Gboyee4fun(m): 12:59pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Kalatium: yeah bro, I really understand, my advice is just this, don't be lost in history because human being like us wrote them and nobody is perfect..but as a christian we get revelation in the history we read...that's where we really need Holy spirit.........that's just how the Apostles wrote their epistles.... |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 5:22pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Gboyee4fun:MY question is if the holy spirit inspired biblical authors why are there discrepancies in the bible |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Gboyee4fun(m): 5:56pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Kalatium: I get you, the problem of people is that they don't even understand Holy spirit or how He works, All the Authors have their own spirit and they write to us to learn from them not that they are actually perfect, if you read the four gospels very well, there are differences in their story but they all have the same target, the problem in Christianity is that many are lost in religion, Paul himself has his own spirit not that Holy spirit sit inside him that's why Jesus Christ is the only perfect example we look at....there are many things I cant type online......I will just advice you not to be deceive by any body even men of God, just allow the Holy spirit to make you understand something's that may seem challenges to you in the Bible. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 11:03pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
Gboyee4fun:The bible is not always historical correct but is 100% theologically correct. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by akintom(m): 9:08am On Nov 26, 2016 |
Kalatium:That makes bible a human written fictional book and a book full of grand historical manipulation, fabrications and falsehoods. Kalatium:Why will it not. Since you can always rationalize every nonsense in it. Even when you're confronted with empirical evidence, that falsify Bible claims. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Gboyee4fun(m): 11:37am On Nov 26, 2016 |
akintom: Bring your empirical evidence on I will let you know that Bible is the only book of Life that contains the knowledge of truth(Christ) and lies(Satan) And if bible is falsified, what of the Quran that contains most of the old testament of the bible? and the bible did not even hide anything, Christ that lives as a man also learn from the bible... |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Talk2nanro(m): 11:56am On Nov 26, 2016 |
jcross19:oga we dont need your deceitful post, keep it to yourself |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by akintom(m): 6:32pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Gboyee4fun:James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. The above is what your Bible claims, but no disease has been healed by this false means. Gboyee4fun: Both books are badly written fictional works. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Gboyee4fun(m): 5:06pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
akintom: lol, Are you done quoting from the book you are against ?, i will even be stupid to reply you on the scripture chapter and verses you quoted....I have seen how little your understanding about life is.....there are many people that can do more than you when it comes to attacking the bible, go and learn from them first.... |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 5:06pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
akintom:You didn't understand me. The bible historical records like Genesis are not pure history but mix with theology and how Israel view God. You don't expect to find evidence for all these e.g there are no historical evidence for miracles. Why? Because human reasoning and science cannot prove miracles(supernatural). Science is still in its infancy in terms of proportion of what is known to what is unknown. Atheist often commit a logical fallacy called argument from silence. Because first century historian did not give detailed documentary of Jesus or no convincing evidence of Jesus miracles does not make Gospels account false. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by MuttleyLaff: 6:26pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
Kalatium:12“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. - John 16:12-13 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. - John 14:26 Apart from the disciples, every believer too, have successive inflow of the Holy Spirit, which teaches them all things, understanding the Bible inclusive Believers, like the disciples, are expected to be fishers of men. and patience is really required to be a good fisherman but LaClicKLaBenDin was blasting you with both barrels because he was impatient It seems like a bad judgment, him being rattled by your comments and getting impatient too. Gboyee4fun:Good advice plus good recommendation Kalatium:Depends on what height and angle the biblical authors were viewing and looking from The discrepancies are? Gboyee4fun:I get him too, however all the authors have the same indwelled and inflowing Spirit in addition to their individual spirits Bottom line, as Gboyee4fun had previously and continually being advising is to eagerly pursue or sought after having the Holy Spirit 11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. 12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. - Psalms 51:11-12 In Psalms 51:11 above, David knows the value being in God's presence and the importance of having or retaining ownership of the Holy Spirit jcross19:The bible is a book of divisions no doubt jcross19:Wish you subscribe to being called a nigger as much as you readily, willingly and without any problem call believers christian jcross19:Bring it on, share them, would love to read about the Bible verses from Paul view that contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ Talk2nanro:You're speaking for yourself. Right? 1 Like |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 6:42pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: I was very impatient with him....But rattled? No! How can someone who claim to be a born again Christian and baptised, question the ministry of the Holy Spirit? Just how? Did you see his reaction when I asked him if he was born again, and when I asked him to explain what he meant by "Liberal Christian"? Those reactions informed my impatience This topic is a very sensitive one and for someone who calls himself a believer to state such things and defend them, it's quite discouraging to the weaker ones who will come across such....This issue of reading the Bible without the help of the Holy Spirit is the major reason why people fall away or end up with strange doctrines. How can we not depend on the Holy Spirit to understand the Bible, when even Jesus charged his disciples to tarry till the Holy Spirit comes, before witnessing? In fact, the real Christian journey begins the day you're baptized in the Holy Ghost, because without the spirit of God, it is impossible to run this race. Maybe I need more patience..thanks for pointing that out. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by MuttleyLaff: 7:09pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin:Rattled because you became irritated with his comment because you werent patient enough to see where he is coming from, to see if or how he would land LaClicKLaBenDin:Its not the first time and wouldnt be the last, so for next time just remember that LaClicKLaBenDin:What do you expect when you're playing the born again conundrum card with him Even Nichodemus, a reputedly respected Jewish teacher faltered and spoke hesitantly when ''born again'' aka ''born from above'' was dangled in his face LaClicKLaBenDin:Would have been nicer, if instead of barraging him with stance questions one after the other and finally washing hands off him with the ''Have a nice day, Sir'' you had assisted him to unlearn any ill-informed opinions he had about the Holy spirit not being useful in understanding the Bible et al LaClicKLaBenDin:If he didnt know all these, now he knows From Bezalel to Jesus, from to the disciples to all believers, back to back, the Holy Spirit is a necessity, an indispensable thing for all believers LaClicKLaBenDin:Nothing bro, no sweat, know you'll do the same pointing out, if shoe was on the other foot 1 Like |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by akintom(m): 9:18pm On Nov 27, 2016 |
Gboyee4fun: The usual defeatist escape route of your likes on NL |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 11:37pm On Nov 30, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin:No, the bible doesn't teach Liberal Christianity but also doesn't teach fundamental or Conservative Christianity |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 11:42pm On Nov 30, 2016 |
Gboyee4fun:I only said that historically what Paul said that scriptures are inspired by God was referring to the torah(old testament). Does that make me a fake Christian |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 10:07am On Dec 01, 2016 |
Kalatium: I asked because, I am first, a Bible believing Christian, before anything else. The Bible is the only standard for Christianity. How have you been, Sir? |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 10:07am On Dec 02, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin:I have been good. I am also bible believing, there is no book in this world that is so theologically accurate. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by mine85(m): 10:41am On Dec 02, 2016 |
Kalatium: You can't be born again and still say you are Liberal.. ... if you are liberal, you are not born again |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 9:12am On Dec 06, 2016 |
mine85:What do you understand by Liberal |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by mine85(m): 2:05pm On Dec 06, 2016 |
Kalatium: Posted by Svein Sellanraa Liberal Christian is Someone who accepts (or claims to accept) at least some of the basic truths of Christianity, but who does not regard these truths as the most important truths in the world. In other words, a liberal Christian is someone who accepts (or claims to accept) at least some propositions that are essential to Christianity, but whose basic worldview is not Christian. The liberal Christian puts something other than Christianity first, and Christianity second—at best. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 11:30am On Dec 09, 2016 |
mine85: I disagree with your definition. This excerpt is from http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity Liberal Christianity, broadly speaking, is a method of biblical hermeneutics, an undogmatic method of understanding God through the use of scripture by applying the same modern hermeneutics used to understand any ancient writings, symbols and scriptures. Liberal Christianity did not originate as a belief structure, and as such was not dependent upon any Church dogma or creedal statements. Unlike conservative varieties of Christianity, liberalism has no unified set of propositional beliefs. Instead, "liberalism" from the start embraced the methodologies of Enlightenment science as the basis for interpreting the Bible, life, faith and theology. The word liberal in liberal Christianity originally denoted a characteristic willingness to interpret scripture according to modern philosophic perspectives (hence the parallel term modernism) and modern scientific assumptions, while attempting to achieve the Enlightenment ideal of objective point of view, without preconceived notions of the authority of scripture or the correctness of Church dogma.Liberal Christians may hold certain beliefs in common with Catholic Christianity, Orthodox Christianity , or even Christian fundamentalism . |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by jcross19: 4:49pm On Dec 09, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin:simple sense, reason and understand is far from some christians that's why devil made heavenly race so severe for us. You quoted a place in the bible that talk about how scriptures were written now think of it when paul made that statement what was he reading from ? Now is own work was never considered as a scripture but he addressed his written as "letter" so there is different between letter and a scripture then but now it has turned to scripture. Now look at this verse written by paul in 1corinthians 5 vs 1- 6 compare this verse to john 8 vs 10to 12 are they not contradicting to each other? Huh please am sorry I could not quote it here help me to read the two chapters and tell me what you understand. To me you will see that paul was led by flesh there. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 6:42pm On Dec 09, 2016 |
jcross19: And please, you who has all the sense, what's your point? Because I don't even understand your write up. Do you mean to tell me that since the letters of Paul were letters, that they are not part of Scripture? Please do state your point clearly, I don't seem to understand you at all. The Bible is in categories, we have the synoptic gospel and the letters and they're all part of the scriptures. I don't know how knowledgeable you are, but if you're here to tell me that we do not need to employ the help of the Holy Spirit in our understanding of the Bible, then I don't want to you hear what you wanna say. Even Jesus knew the importance of the ministry of the Holy Spirit, that was why He advised the disciples to wait for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, before going to witness, and we all know what happened after then. Do you wanna tell me that since Paul wrote those scriptures in the form of letters, we shouldn't allow the spirit of God to passage his message through them? Or you think there isn't a divine purpose that is set to achieve through those letters and even the parts that you term fleshy or carnal? I even doubt if you really understood where this whole argument started in the first place. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by jcross19: 7:25pm On Dec 09, 2016 |
LaClicKLaBenDin:am not here for an argument! Now you need holy spirit to understand my point. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by LaClicKLaBenDin(m): 7:48pm On Dec 09, 2016 |
jcross19: Thank you. |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Joagbaje(m): 7:31am On Dec 10, 2016 |
Kalatium: Some of the apostolic writings were already circulating as scriptures . They read them in churches and copies were made for circulation. Peter oviciously read some Pauline epistles. 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 1 Like |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 12:28am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Joagbaje:The letters were circulating but not as scriptures , our current new testament was finalised at 4th century, abt 300 years after Jesus death |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Joagbaje(m): 10:59am On Jan 04, 2017 |
Kalatium: They were in circulation, copies were being made. And they were read in churches. our current new testament was finalised at 4th century, abt 300 years after Jesus death Are Pauline apostles not part of the new testament? |
Re: I Don't Think We Christians Really Study Our Bibles by Kalatium(m): 1:50pm On Jan 04, 2017 |
Joagbaje:Do you even read history, cos there were serious debates before the new testament was finalised |
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