peacesamuel94:
He did actually, what did Christ mean when he said. "I and my father are One". John 10:30

Musharraf:
[“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)]

Musharraf:
[“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)]

Musharraf:



[“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)]

Auki:


It seems you are full of emotions.

Did Jesus abolished the old testament?

butterflylion:

Pls answer me this.

Why did Allah save Jesus from being killed by the Jews but allowed Ordinary girl to kill mohammed with poison?

Remember, all manner of prayers were offered,

Jinn Jibril was invoked, yet nothing. Mohammed died.

But Jesus was snatched off and taken to allahs heaven, allah hoodwinked the Jews by replacing a look-a-like to make the Jews believe they killed Jesus.

The question am trying to ask is, WHAT WAS JESUS' OFFENCE?

JideAmuGiaka:


The point is this, no Christian will kill in the name of religion. Like in Nigeria, have you heard that a Christian killed someone because h/she blasphemed against Jesus. But in Islam this is rampant.

JideAmuGiaka:


He did not but He strengthened it in the new testament that's why you can't see Christians kill for Jesus.

waice6571:



@[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]Musharaf
@Haroun et all.

I read through all your comments and I appreciate your manarisms unlike some of our intollerant brothers. Kudos!

Kindly feed me back on the following :

1. Why does human race need[b][/b] a mesaiah to reconcile us back to God?

Human race wouldn't have needed any Mesaiah if there wasn't 'the fall' or the original sin.
Look at the word FALL: for anything to fall, It means, It was on higher platform and for such thing to return to its formal possition there is need for someone to do the replacement.
Likewise when man fell (Romans3:23, 6:23) It was not possible for man to bring himself back to God as it was before the event of the fall. Therefore man need a mediator that will bridged gap between God and man.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. (see also Gal 3;19&20, Heb 9:15)

2. What are the implications of fall of man?

1. Satan became a dominant force on earth.

The first thing we must know about fall is that, the world that was created by God which had Adam and Eve as overseer was (legaly) ceded to Satan. By the event of the fall Satan became the unchallenged overseer of the world and man has no place on earth and by implication, God (and I mean it!) God has no place on earth.

2. Man came under the authorithy of Satan
When God created the earth he gave both the power and authorithy to man but man surrendered both to Satan.
Know also that, at creation, man was not mere flesh and blood. Man was created a DOMINON. (if you understand the heirachy of power in the spiritual relm)
Ephesians 1:21 KJV
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
@highlighted: You will understand that dominion belong to class of power outside the physical relm. So you can understand why God in Gen 1:26&28 tells man to have dominion. @dominion, God empowered man with purpose, power, authorithy and resources but man gave it all up to God's enemy.
3[b]. All things changed from "as they were created to as they became" [/b]
(Read Romans 8 : 19 —22)pay attention to vs 21&22.
General nature of things changed. The earth came under serious seige from the kingdom of darkness. Man, animals, fish etc were groaning, even the land was under bondage therefore, there is need for a mesaiah who is not a partaker of this load sin.

4. Death reigned as prince
Romans 5:12 KJV
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:14 KJV
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression[i][/i], who is the figure of him that was to come.

Even if God did not made those pronouncements in Gen 3 vs 15 and beyond, those things will still be. Why? Because of the nature of the earth's new king.




3. What has the life and death JESUS CHRIST achieved for mankind? :[/color]
The birth of JESUS CHRIST...

Did you notice that, if the errors of Adam can be cheaply addressed God would have addressed it immediately.

1. God have to devise a means of rescuing both man and the entire creation for the stranglehold of that tyrant call Satan, and it must be a through a legal means. Because, a righteous God can not judge unjustly.

2. Satan has become the comnander-in-cheif and man is under his authority, for him to realse man back to God he must have something in return. And it must be something higher in value than what he want to trade.

3. The ransom must not be a partaker of the bondage God is trying to buy man out from.

4. The ransom must be in the image Adam. Why? Adam (man) was the greatest thing God created and satan will receive anything less. We know this by his nature.

In the light of the above points and more, anyone that will fufill that condition must not be ordinary man. It must be a Godman. I. e. A God in the image of man. (read John 1:1-14)

In the whole of the universe who can meet up with this conditions to redeem man from satanic bondage except God?

So, there is need for a God to be striped of his Godly glory and become l a man born without the sin of Adam to bring man back to God.

The life of JESUS CHRIST...
Hummmmmm.....
All the miracles of JESUS CHRIST and all that was said about him in his life time is so that people will belief him but not the main reason for his coming.

His life was lived at all time upon instruction from God the father and its an instruction per time.

To be contd.

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4. What has the coming of Prophet Muhammed achieved for mankind?

5. How did Prophet Muhammed died?

6. Where is Prophet Muhammed now?

I will appreciate your your kindness in handling these questions objectively.
Thanks

Haroun13:


First, everything happens byAllah's will, and and according to His perfect design.

Second, The biographies of Muhammad are clear that he lived for many years after consuming the poison.
The Prophet displayed tremendous energy after eating the poison, showing that the poison had no effect on him.
The Prophet detected the poison whereas the companions failed to detect it.

The Prophet lived for four years after the poison!

Once the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) was given food mixed with poison to eat. He who ate it first expired, but the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) lived for four years even after taking that food. That food told the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam): There is poison in me.

The Prophet showed tremendous energy before his death, the poison had no effect on him. When the Prophet conquered Mecca, he was fasting!

AbuBakr ibn AbdurRahman reported on the authority of a Companion of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): I saw the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) commanding the people while he was travelling on the occasion of the conquest of Mecca not to observe fast. He said: Be strong for your enemy.
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) fasted himself. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 13, Number2358)

Where did the Prophet acquire the strength to fast? He was truly a Prophet of God because he continued to fast during Ramadan!

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to count the days in Sha'ban in a manner he did not count any other month; then he fasted when he sighted the new moon of Ramadan; but if the weather was cloudy he counted thirty days and then fasted. (Narrated Aisha Ummul Mu'minin:, Sunan Abu-Dawud)

The prophet also said, in an authentic hadith, that No prophet of Allah passes away, except he has been asked to choose to live, or to die.

Muhammad had the opportunity to live longer on earth, but He chose to go at that time. Moreover, his message was complete.

Jesus (pbuh) is coming again, as the Messiah, to liberate mankind from the heinous activities of the Dajjal, so, the ascension is all part of the divine plan of Allah.


I don't know what you mean by "all manner of prayers", but most definitely, the Muslims would have prayed for the recovery of the prophet, but the prophet, personally, was aware, and was happy to go to his Lord.


First, Jibril is an Angel, not a jinn.
Also, Muslims don't invoke Jibril for anything, he is only a creation of Allah.



All part of Allah's divine plan.



If you mean "why the Jews and hypocrites wanted to kill him", He needn't do anything wrong, to be persecuted. He was simply preaching monotheism.
Likewise, Muhammad was persecuted in Makka by the pagan Arabs for preaching monotheism, till he migrated to Madina, yet, they weren't satisfied, and still followed, to further persecute him and the Muslims.

JideAmuGiaka:


He did not but He strengthened it in the new testament that's why you can't see Christians kill for Jesus.

Haroun13:
@waice6571

I have provided answers, if you look back, at previous posts, you'll find answers to your last 3questions.
Also, the first 3 you answered are in the light of Christianity. I have provided answers in the light of Islam. But if they are not clear, please, feel free to ask, and I'll expatiate to the best of my ability.

Salaam

Auki:


No. He didn't strengthen. Are you saying laws given to Mosses were weak or what

Jesus was here to fulfill the existing law of mosses.
First covenant in the Law of Mosses didn't say we should worship Jesus as God atleast bro.

Haroun13:


Actually, there are Christians who do. The media simply conceals them. In fact, there are very violent Christian groups, who have killed millions. Research for yourself.

Haroun13:
@waice6571

I have provided answers, if you look back, at previous posts, you'll find answers to your last 3questions.
Also, the first 3 you answered are in the light of Christianity. I have provided answers in the light of Islam. But if they are not clear, please, feel free to ask, and I'll expatiate to the best of my ability.

Salaam

JideAmuGiaka:


Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Do you believe this?.

waice6571:


Thanks for your response.

I asked the last 3questions because I want to have clear understanding of those questions. Thanks for providing answers to them.

I will like to limit myself to the first 3questions for the sake of this discussion.

My answers were not on the basis any religion. It is in the light of truth about the world we live.

If we keep relating to God in the light of religion we will keep mising the mark. Did you realise that, religion was not in the mind of God when he created the heaven and the earth.

The question about the fall that I raised can you in any way trace it to religion?

If the 2 points above can stand independent of religion then, the solution to the problems of the fall (JESUS CHRIST) should not be in affiliation with religion.

Religion is a brainchild of some clever people, Thats why we have the generational liability of defending our religion at one point or the other. God never planned any religion for humanity.

Lastly, pls feed me back on God's solution to the problem of the fall of man without JESUS CHRIST.

butterflylion:

Are you pretending not to see my comment? It's basically your koran, all of it. Refute your koran sir.

butterflylion:

Welldone. You tried. But lets do this again.
I didn't ask you how long it took him to die, i asked why allah didnt heal him from the effect of the poison?

Lol the food spoke to mohammed and said, i have poison in me, yet muhammed ate it. Who spoke through the food?

Allah's Apostle said, ''He who eats seven Ajwa dates every morning WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY POISON OR MAGIC on the day he eats them'' (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 7, Book 65, No. 356).

Why did Muhammad and his men still die of poison?

Was that statement by Muhammad not inspired by Allah himself?
Has any muslim taken seven Ajwa and survived eating poison?

Ibn Sa’d, page 265:
The apostle of Allah fell ill and he i.e.
Gabriel, chanted on him, saying, “In
the name of Allah I chant on to ward
off from you every thing that harms
you and (to ward off you) against
every envier and from every evil eye
and Allah will heal you.”
Let us analyze the prayers of this
“Gabriel.” He stated very positively that
Allah “will heal” the Prophet. He said,
“In the name of Allah Who will cure
you and Who will heal you from every
malady.” Muhammad had every reason
to believe, because it was this very same “Gabriel” who brought the messages of the Qur’an from Allah to him. Yet, the prayers of this spirit were not answered by Allah. So how could this spirit be so sure that Allah “will cure” Muhammad when he actually did not? Can this “Gabriel” be trusted? Can the Qur’an, which was transmitted through this same deceiving spirit, be trusted? If this spirit lied about the outcome of the sickness, could he not have also lied about the divine claim of the Qur’an? Are not these clues as to who this spirit really is?
Why didnt Allah prevent “Gabriel” from delivering a false promise of hope to Muhammad? If Allah could permit “Gabriel” to make a false statement regarding a matter that concerns the life and death of his Prophet, could he not have also
permitted other false messages to be transmitted to. Muhammad? Can
the other messages delivered by this
“Gabriel” be trustworthy? According to
Islamic theology, “Gabriel” is the “Holy
Spirit” (Ruh Al-Qudus). Can the “Holy
Spirit” be wrong about the outcome of
Muhammad’s illness?

You said, Muhammed knew he was going to die or he had choosen to die, why then the inceasant prayers even by a supposed Angel? Why didnt he stop them from praying?

An Angel who chanted prayers for muhammed in the presence of men, what an Angel Jibril was.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59,
Number 713:
Narrated ‘Aisha: The Prophet in his
ailment in which he died, used to say,
“O ‘Aisha! I still feel the pain caused
by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at
this time, I feel as if my aorta is
being cut from that poison.”
This verse in the quran is a dying man prayer;
Surah 7:188: Say: “I have no power
over any good or harm to myself
except as Allah willeth. If I had
knowledge of the unseen, I should
have multiplied all good, and no
evil should have touched me: I am
but a warner.” (Yusuf Ali)

This is your hadiths, not any other scripture.

Stop lying here.

You stand with a brazen face talking about Monothesim, have you forgotten who and what allah was before muhammed was born?

Allah was a pagen moon god with three daughters. Allat, malat and Uzzah.

The Ramadan you are talking about was a pagan and still a pagan ritual.

why didnt allah save muhammed from poison, but saved Jesus Christ from the Jews. The answer you gave is lame, try again.

JideAmuGiaka:


You're not sounding convincing.

Haroun13:


No pretense, I didn't see it before. It was only after reading this I went to look for it.
I'll provide answers for you. Was already composing my answers, but everything got cleared, and it's late. So, I'll go to bed, and In shaa Allah, be expecting my answers tomorrow, no certain time.

butterflylion:
Your answers actually means nothing to me.

Musharraf:
[“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (NIV, Matthew 5:17–18)]

Chikelue2000:
U believe in Jesus teachings yet u murder n kill or maime someone who blasphemes d prophet who is not even God or someone who says anything against ur religious book. God help u