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For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 7:18am On Dec 14, 2016
Before Christians start complaining that atheists only attack Christianity, try to understand that since I was once a committed Christian, it's the only religion I truly understand.

Christians just like adherents of any other religion believe they are special and held favored. However, this idea doesn't seem to have any truth in the actual world...

Let's consider Financial wealth.

Are Christians significantly richer? That doesn't seem so. A large number of the poorest people in the world are Christians. In fact, the richest countries have very high populations of atheists, while some others are Muslim dominated?? There is no single shred of evidence to suggest Christians are less broke, or have better financial convenience... In actual fact, there are Christians dying of hunger...

How do we reconcile this with the idea that God provides for Christians

Christians can tag their other friends to come and answer this question

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:32am On Dec 14, 2016
What was Jesus' net worth when He was on earth? Can you tell me?

The Christian prays "give me this day my daily bread." GOD takes care of His children daily.

The greatest benefit of Christianity lies not in possessing money(which is the root of all evil), but in being at peace with GOD and having an assurance of Heaven.

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 7:36am On Dec 14, 2016
DoctorAlien:
What was Jesus' net worth when He was on earth? Can you tell me?

The Christian prays "give me this day my daily bread." GOD takes care of His children daily.

The greatest benefit of Christianity lies not in possessing money(which is the root of all evil), but in being at peace with GOD and having an assurance of Heaven.
That's not true... God doesn't take care of his children daily... There are Christians who die of hunger...
And if u are claiming the only benefit of being a Christian is in another dimension, then u are saying all the other promises in the bible are a lie??

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 7:40am On Dec 14, 2016
You missed it, it's not by financial, material or earthly possessions that you know who's a Christian. You should bear in mind that prosperity isn't answerable by fasting and prayers alone but by given; (Luke 6:38 says Give and it shall be given unto you...). Any body who operates on this principle of giving unconditionally shall prosper. But the best prosperity is the prosperity of the soul, that's been born again. What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul in HELL. A true child of God does not influence prise to get riches but an Atheist can do it, this is also another FACTOR.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 7:47am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:

That's not true... God doesn't take care of his children daily... There are Christians who die of hunger...
And if u are claiming the only benefit of being a Christian is in another dimension, then u are saying all the other promises in the bible are a lie??

Any Christian that dies of hunger is a lazy Christian and should not blame God. God taking care of one doesn't mean that God will throw food from Heaven to you. God can take care of you by connecting you to a lucrative job or business and it will be your responsibility to take care of that which God have provided for you. If you mismanaged it you're on your own.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 7:49am On Dec 14, 2016
balanceofterror1:
You missed it, it's not by financial, material or earthly possessions that you know who's a Christian. You should bear in mind that prosperity isn't answerable by fasting and prayers alone but by given; (Luke 6:38 says Give and it shall be given unto you...). Any body who operates on this principle of giving unconditionally shall prosper. But the best prosperity is the prosperity of the soul, that's been born again. What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul in HELL. A true child of God does not influence prise to get riches but an Atheist can do it, this is also another FACTOR.
Does god promise prosperity in the bible?? Yes, it does and u as a Christian should know that. And not everyone who gives prospers.. Even the widow in the bible that dropped all her money was still poor.... There are committed Christians all over the world who also give and are still dirt poor...
U are yet to reconcile the promise of prosperity in the bible with the fact that there are Christians in this world that are dying of hunger

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by akintom(m): 7:51am On Dec 14, 2016
DoctorAlien:
What was Jesus' net worth when He was on earth? Can you tell me?

The Christian prays "give me this day my daily bread." GOD takes care of His children daily.

The greatest benefit of Christianity lies not in possessing money(which is the root of all evil), but in being at peace with GOD and having an assurance of Heaven.

If the GREATEST benefit of Christianity lies in being at peace with god and having an assurance of Heaven, what are the other benefits?

From this your greatest benefit assertion, which to me is the ONLY motivation, as against benefit.

it's once again confirmed by a religious folk, that religion is just a mere psychological mechanism by which folks try to escape irrational fears of "what's next" after death.

Being unable to provide a mentally satisfactory answers, to what's next after death, creates irrational fear induced unrest in the minds of folks, it's the god idea, that provides the illusionary rest/peace of mind.

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 7:51am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:

Does god promise prosperity in the bible?? Yes, it does and u as a Christian should know that. And not everyone who gives prospers.. Even the widow in the bible that dropped all her money was still poor.... There are committed Christians all over the world who also give and are still dirt poor...
U are yet to reconcile the promise of prosperity in the bible with the fact that there are Christians in this world that are dying of hunger

Are you talking about god or God?.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by akintom(m): 7:54am On Dec 14, 2016
balanceofterror1:


Any Christian that dies of hunger is a lazy Christian and should not blame God. God taking care of one doesn't mean that God will throw food from Heaven to you. God can take care of you by connecting you to a lucrative job or business and it will be your responsibility to take care of that which God have provided for you. If you mismanaged it you're on your own.


Is god required to think and work?
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:54am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:

That's not true... God doesn't take care of his children daily... There are Christians who die of hunger...
And if u are claiming the only benefit of being a Christian is in another dimension, then u are saying all the other promises in the bible are a lie??

If you lie down on your bed all day, and refuse to work, claiming that you're entitled to GOD's provision, hunger will kill you.

Now, GOD blesses and makes fruitful whatever, I mean whatever legal thing which His children ventures into.

"Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men." Prov. 22:29

"I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread." Psa. 37:25
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 7:56am On Dec 14, 2016
akintom:


Is god required to think and work?
GOD all the way.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 7:59am On Dec 14, 2016
balanceofterror1:


Any Christian that dies of hunger is a lazy Christian and should not blame God. God taking care of one doesn't mean that God will throw food from Heaven to you. God can take care of you by connecting you to a lucrative job or business and it will be your responsibility to take care of that which God have provided for you. If you mismanaged it you're on your own.
Your assertion is based on facts, research or what?? There are Christians who die of hunger caused by events beyond them, for example, famine... U know your comments means the widow who only had two denarii was poor because she was lazy?? That's a myopic way of looking at things
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 8:05am On Dec 14, 2016
DoctorAlien:


If you lie down on your bed all day, and refuse to work, claiming that you're entitled to GOD's provision, hunger will kill you.

Now, GOD blesses and makes fruitful whatever, I mean whatever legal thing which His children ventures into.

"Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men." Prov. 22:29

"I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread." Psa. 37:25
U are using the bible to prove the bible... U think every Christian who is poor is lazy?? What about Christians in countries affected by crisis and instability?? Or famine or other natural disasters?? It's inconsiderate to assume that all poor Christians are lazy
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by akintom(m): 8:08am On Dec 14, 2016
balanceofterror1:
You missed it, it's not by financial, material or earthly possessions that you know who's a Christian. You should bear in mind that prosperity isn't answerable by fasting and prayers alone but by given; (Luke 6:38 says Give and it shall be given unto you...). Any body who operates on this principle of giving unconditionally shall prosper. But the best prosperity is the prosperity of the soul, that's been born again. What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his soul in HELL. A true child of God does not influence prise to get riches but an Atheist can do it, this is also another FACTOR.

This is the gimmicks Mr oyedepo plays on folks, to swindle them of their money, to furnish his luxurious lifestyle.

This biblical verse being used by oyedepo and his likes, to manipulate and condition folks minds, to sheepishly part with their scarce resources, is a mere truism of life.

If you sow/give your time to critical and productive thinking, plan based on the thoughts and act consistently on your plans, you will definitely get a satisfactory result/success/prosperity.

The idea of god is irrelevant and non existent in this natural quest. Religious obscurantists introduced god factor, into this to merely swindle the gullible folks.

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 8:12am On Dec 14, 2016
Some verses where prosperity is promised

Joshua 1:8
This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success.
Psalm 35:27b
How great is the Lord!
He is pleased with the success of his servant.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by akintom(m): 8:12am On Dec 14, 2016
balanceofterror1:


GOD all the way.

How about folks who pokes your god, and yet have more pleasant lifestyle than religiously gullible?
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 8:24am On Dec 14, 2016
akintom:


How about folks who pokes your god, and yet have more pleasant lifestyle than religiously gullible?

Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 8:29am On Dec 14, 2016
akintom:


This is the gimmicks Mr oyedepo plays on folks, to swindle them of their money, to furnish his luxurious lifestyle.

This biblical verse being used by oyedepo and his likes, to manipulate and condition folks minds, to sheepishly part with their scarce resources, is a mere truism of life.

If you sow/give your time to critical and productive thinking, plan based on the thoughts and act consistently on your plans, you will definitely get a satisfactory result/success/prosperity.

The idea of god is irrelevant and non existent in this natural quest. Religious obscurantists introduced god factor, into this to merely swindle the gullible folks.

Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by akintom(m): 8:40am On Dec 14, 2016
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Now you're speaking to your feet..... You definitely can't have a rational or reasonable response to the perforation of your misty beliefs.

The very act of eyes and ears closure, to thoughts outside religion, is the perfect drug required by religious profiteers, to continually keep folks high on religious idiocy.

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 8:44am On Dec 14, 2016
[quote author=balanceofterror1 post=51913388][/quote]
No.... The highest form of ignorance- and st.upidity- is when u believe, subject yourself to and direct your life by something you know nothing about



Yet to show how God provides for all Christians

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by Wilgrea7(m): 8:47am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:
Before Christians start complaining that atheists only attack Christianity, try to understand that since I was once a committed Christian, it's the only religion I truly understand.
Christians just like adherents of any other religion believe they are special and held favored. However, this idea doesn't seem to have any truth in the actual world...
Let's consider Financial wealth.
Are Christians significantly richer? That doesn't seem so. A large number of the poorest people in the world are Christians. In fact, the richest countries have very high populations of atheists, while some others are Muslim dominated?? There is no single shred of evidence to suggest Christians are less broke, or have better financial convenience... In actual fact, there are Christians dying of hunger...
How do we reconcile this with the idea that God provides for Christians
Christians can tag their other friends to come and answer this question

so its about wealth eh? ok... so the basis of your argument is that since Christians feel we are special then we must be rich. as doctoralien said, Christians pray for provision of their daily bread. God provides that.. Christians that actually pray but can't feed are probably not making any efforts.. people have painted God to be some kind of fairy up in the sky that grants your wishes cuz you're a Christian.. if you wont work, you won't eat... you have to at least make effort.. then he will crown your efforts with success
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by hopefulLandlord: 8:47am On Dec 14, 2016
Interesting question
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 8:48am On Dec 14, 2016
akintom:


Now you're speaking to your feet..... You definitely can't have a rational or reasonable response to the perforation of your misty beliefs.

The very act of eyes and ears closure, to thoughts outside religion, is the perfect drug required by religious profiteers, to continually keep folks high on religious idiocy.

Keep your beliefs to yourself. Thanks.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 8:52am On Dec 14, 2016
Wilgrea7:


so its about wealth eh? ok... so the basis of your argument is that since Christians feel we are special then we must be rich. as doctoralien said, Christians pray for provision of their daily bread. God provides that.. Christians that actually pray but can't feed are probably not making any efforts.. people have painted God to be some kind of fairy up in the sky that grants your wishes cuz you're a Christian.. if you wont work, you won't eat... you have to at least make effort.. then he will crown your efforts with success
Why are you bringing up worn out excuses... U can't claim every Christian dying of hunger is lazy... There are events beyond the power of these people but your god does nothing to mitigate their poverty....
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 8:54am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:

No.... The highest form of ignorance- and st.upidity- is when u believe, subject yourself to and direct your life by something you know nothing about



Yet to show how God provides for all Christians

I Am a Christian and there's nothing you can do about it rather than to cry and weep.

Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 9:00am On Dec 14, 2016
balanceofterror1:


I Am a Christian and there's nothing you can do about it rather than to cry and weep.
Hmmm... A kid.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by balanceofterror1(m): 9:01am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:
Hmmm... A kid.
Hmmm... A kid.
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by Wilgrea7(m): 9:30am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:

Why are you bringing up worn out excuses... U can't claim every Christian dying of hunger is lazy... There are events beyond the power of these people but your god does nothing to mitigate their poverty....

ok.. sir... can you please list some of the events?? enlighten me
Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 9:58am On Dec 14, 2016
Wilgrea7:


ok.. sir... can you please list some of the events?? enlighten me
Famine, civil unrest, natural disasters... U know of the 10 countries with highest incidence of people starving to death, about 6 are Christian dominated the others are either Muslim dominated or shared equally between Christians and Muslims
Wilgrea7 ... Where art thou

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 8:37am On Dec 15, 2016
Apparently no Christian has been able to explain why there are Christians starving to death...
In Zambia for example, Christianity is the official religion and about 85.5% of the population is christian according to Christian World Trends. But according to their 2010 census, 75.3% of Zambians were Protestant Christians, and 20.2 were catholic. That's about 95% of their population...

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by hopefulLandlord: 8:42am On Dec 15, 2016
Christianity's only supposed benefit is posthumous

even that is not limited to Christianity as there are many religion that promises posthumous benefits

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Re: For Christians: What Exactly Does Christianity Offer?? by randomperson: 8:45am On Dec 15, 2016
Cont'd
.... Below is an excerpt from a guardian ( the British not Nigerian) article on hunger in Zambia.
More than 31 million people in the region are said by the UN to need food now, but this number is expected to rise to at least 49 million across almost all of southern Africa by Christmas.

Again in another guardian article...
In the woodlands of southern Zambia hunger arrives with the rhythmic clack of stone against stone as villagers pound open the hard mungongo nuts, a food of last resort for which they compete with monkeys and elephants. The pounding is the only sound in hamlets such as Siatumbu where families slump in front of thatched huts, weakened and tired.

If any Christian can explain how God is fulfilling his promise to provide for them.... Plss get on with it

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