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Can a person who has been saved lose his salvation? This question has been a perplexing question to many. Maybe you have been questioning the genuineness of your salvation. Are you really saved? Are you really sure?
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Salvation means the liberation from worldly bonds. This liberation is expected to be an indirect measure of the person’s attachment to God. The scale that measures the depth of the water in a river can be taken as an example. Let us say that the total height of the scale is 100 ft. Let us say that 40 ft of the scale is exposed outside from the level of the water. This means that the depth of the water is 60 ft. The detachment from the worldly bonds is 40 ft, which is visible to us. The depth of the attachment to God, is 60 ft, which is hidden in the heart of the devotee. Seeing the exposed length of the scale above the water, we can calculate the hidden length of the scale under the water.

Similarly, seeing the extent of the devotee’s salvation from worldly bonds, we can calculate the devotee’s inner attachment to God. But the detachment from the world need not always indicate the attachment to God. A person on the wrong path of duṣpravṛtti may be fascinated by a prostitute, as a result of which, he might be detached from his legitimate worldly bonds of pravṛtti like his wife and children. A 100 ft scale might be buried in the soil up to a depth of 60 ft. So, seeing the exposed 40 ft, we cannot say that the water is 60 ft. We can only say that the level of duṣpravṛtti is 60 ft. Duṣpravṛtti is not nivṛtti at all!

The attachment to God should be real love. It must not just be theoretical love, but there should also be some practical love. Real practical love is proved by sacrifice. The devotee should sacrifice his work (service) to God (karma saṃnyāsa) and he should also sacrifice the fruit of his work (karma phala tyāga) to God. If the devotee is a householder, he is expected to do both. His sacrifice of the fruit of his work should always be accompanied by the sacrifice of work too. A saint cannot sacrifice the fruit of his work (sacrifice of wealth) and can only sacrifice his work (service). Hence, if the sacrifice of the fruit of work alone is mentioned, the sacrifice of work also automatically follows. If the sacrifice of work alone is mentioned, the sacrifice of the fruit of work need not always follow, as in the case of a saint. Hence, in the Gītā, it is said that knowledge is better than blindly performing a traditional ritual without analysis (abhyāsa).

Then it is told that devotion is better than knowledge and further, it is told that the sacrifice of the fruit of one’s work is better than devotion.

Here, the term ‘sacrifice of the fruit of work’ includes the sacrifice of work (service) also. The term actually refers to karma yoga as a whole and karma yoga includes both the sacrifice of work and the sacrifice of the fruit of work (śreyo hi jñānamabhyāsāt…—Gītā). The essence of this is that karma yoga or practical devotion must always be performed. Karma yoga is the proof of theoretical devotion, which includes spiritual knowledge and devotion. The theoretical devotion (asambhūti upāsanā) is the mother of practical devotion (sambhūti upāsanā). The Veda says that both must exist together to achieve the divine fruit (Sa siddhimāpnoti…—Veda).
-By Shri Datta Swami

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What happened to Judas because Jesus said that He lose none except he who is destined to perish.

Tochj:
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What happened to Judas because Jesus said that He lose none except he who is destined to perish.

Judas was not a born again Christian like we believers today. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit inside us waiting for our redemption at the rapture of the church.

None of Jesus' disciples were born again because Jesus has not died yet. It was only when he died and resurrected, and preached the Gospel of Grace that anyone that believed the Gospel, became born again.

Tochj:
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What happened to Judas because Jesus said that He lose none except he who is destined to perish.

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One of the benefits of believing the gospel of grace is that it completely changes the way you read the Bible. You realize that God is not in the bait and switch business of drawing you in with love only to hammer you with law – He is love all the way through. When you see this you will no longer get frightened when you read a passage like Hebrews 10:26 or this one four chapters earlier:

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. (Heb 6:4-6)

If you wear the lenses of performance-based Christianity, this could be a scary scripture, for it sounds like your salvation hinges on your behavior. Do good, get good, but fall away and you’re lost forever. If that’s how this scripture appears to you, change your glasses! What you look through determines what you see. So read this scripture through the lens of Jesus and His finished work.

So who and what is this passage describing?

Some say that this scripture is referring to Christians – those who have become sharers or partakers in the Holy Spirit. If so, then the argument being made is deliberately nonsensical. If they fall away it is impossible for them to get saved again because Jesus would have to come and die again. Since Jesus isn’t going to die again, then it’s impossible for them to fall away. Instead of being a threat to your eternal salvation, this verse actually supports it. But I know not everyone will agree.

How many times can you be born again?

I have heard one reputable teacher say that if you are saved through an act of your free will, then you can get unsaved through an act of your free will. I guess the conclusion follows the premise but how true is the premise? Were you born into this world through an act of your free will? No, you had absolutely no say in the matter. So what about your spiritual birth?

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. (Joh 1:12-13).

To be born again literally means to be born “from above” or, as John puts it, “born of God.” It is 100% a work of the Spirit. You may think that you came to God of your own free will, but reflect for a moment on what actually happened. Who was it that planted and watered the seed of the gospel? (Not you.) Who was it that made the seed grow? (Not you.) Who was it that lifted the veil so that you could see things as they really are? (Not you.) Do you see? You would never have called on the name of the Lord if He had not first called on you.

I don’t mean to get all zen on you, but here’s my point: When you were dead in the trespasses and uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive together with Christ (Col 2:13). You were dead; now you are alive – all this is because of Him.
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! All this is from God, (2 Cor 5:17-18a)

The important thing is not how you got saved, but that you
are saved. When you received the gift of salvation, you became a new creation. If you were to fall away, it would be impossible for you to be born again because you have already been born again . It would be like an adult trying to return to the womb and re-enter the world through the birth canal. Just as it can’t happen in the natural, it can’t happen in the spiritual. Once you’re born you’re born! To claim that you can lose your salvation – that you can undo what God has done – is like saying that God makes mistakes. And He doesn’t.

You may act like an old creation just as a butterfly may act like a caterpillar. But when you do, you are acting contrary to you true identity. We used to say that Christians who fell into sin were back-sliders. But a more accurate description is that they are hypocrites. They are acting contrary to their true identity in Christ.

Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. (Heb 12:14)

“Be holy” is not an instruction for improving performance; it’s an admonition to be who you truly are. Be holy, because you are, in fact, holy. “We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus once for all ” (Heb 10:10).

Eat the bread of life, don’t just taste it

Others say that this scripture (Heb 6:4-6 remember?) is referring to unbelievers. It is describing those who have tasted but not eaten the heavenly gift. They have seen the light but preferred the darkness. They may have received the gospel with joy but the seed never took root and grew. When trouble came they fell away. To my mind this is a perfect description of Judas.

Along with the other disciples Judas was involved in a supernatural ministry that saw him casting out demons and healing the sick (Mk 6:13). He may have even prophesied in Jesus’ name. Judas tasted the goodness of the word of God but ultimately he rejected it. When he walked out of the first communion he walked out on Jesus. He was basically saying, “No, your blood and your body are not good enough for me.” Judas preferred a DIY religion to the grace of God.

Hebrews 6:4-6 says that it is impossible for people like Judas to be brought back to the place of repentance. Why? Because they have heard the truth and rejected it. They have followed the way of Cain, held to the teaching of Balaam, and are in danger of ending up like Korah. Those who have never heard the good news of God’s grace may yet receive it. But those who have heard and hardened their hearts toward it, are well and truly lost.

A hard heart is a deadly thing. It will keep you from repenting, it will keep you restless and in bondage to works:
So, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the desert.” (Heb 3:7-

Judas heard the voice of the Living Word but hardened his heart. He became restless to the point of suicide. He never came to the place of repentance. He never entered that rest which comes only through faith in Christ.

Righteous rain

In Hebrews 5 and 6 we learn that Jesus has been designated by God as a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. To a Hebrew reader raised on the covenant of law, this would have been an astonishing announcement: “Jesus, the eternal high priest, will forever mediate a new and superior covenant of grace underwritten by the unshakeable oath of God.” There are only two possible responses to such an announcement:

Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. (Heb 6:7-

We can either receive the blessing of God that comes down from heaven like rain and, by so doing, become fruitful and useful, or we can reject what God offers us and be worthless and in danger of being cursed. The righteousness that God gives comes to us is like rain:

You heavens above, rain down righteousness; let the clouds shower it down. Let the earth open wide, let salvation spring up, let righteousness grow with it; I, the Lord, have created it. (Isa 45:

God sends His rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. All we can do is respond. We can either put up umbrellas of religious works and say, like Judas, “No thanks, I don’t need it.” Or we can say, “Rain on this filthy sinner and make me clean.” The bad news of the old covenant is that no one will be declared righteous by observing the law (Rom 3:20). The good news of the new is that the righteousness gifted by God comes through faith in Jesus to all who believe (Rom 3:21).

https://escapetoreality.org/2012/02/28/hebrews-6v4-6/

jiggaz:
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