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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 12:37pm On Feb 04, 2009 |
@ alam- tara As Jonas was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale , . You are the funniest mammal l have ever come across. Look u were not in the belly of the shark with Jonah. I sorry Bro it seems your English is impaired ( Don't take it as an insult pls) Please Answer these questions:- 1 - How did Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) died ? ( I want a reference from the Quran) 2 - How sure are u that he is in Aljana? ( I want a reference from the Quran) I just want you to know ok pls don't take offence. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 12:55pm On Feb 04, 2009 |
@ Alam-Tara 7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isaiah 55 Fortunately, there are many Arab muslims and Christians ( Hanna Ashrawi -Palestinian X-tian, Tariq Aziz - Former Iraq VP, ) You cannot deny the Divine nature of His Birth and the miracles He performed so Don't be angry beacause Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not perform any miracle bro. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by GoodMuyis(m): 2:01pm On Feb 04, 2009 |
I dont see the reason why you guys are looking for someone that came to this earth; Years after Christ has ascended to heaven. So dont play Games on yourself but you can , search the Scritpures, for an exersice |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 5:32pm On Feb 04, 2009 |
@Georgecso: « #512 on: Today at 12:37:26 PM »
There is no reference of how he died in the Qur'aan, except that he will died like every human, messenger and or prophet. It simply shows that you have not read the Qur'aan before. Or maybe you will show us from the Qur'aan of how he died (AS)!
I am sure that he is destined for Al Jannah, without ever being in Al Naar! Now tell us he is not going to Al Jannah! But wait, Surah Fajr's last verse speaks about the believer's going/entering Al Jannah. Please, read it and all other verses that talks about the Paradise, the Garden. You can get it from Surah Kahf and many others, including Mariam.
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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 1:34pm On Feb 05, 2009 |
@ Alan-Tara and Olabowale Please Kindly print out this classified document and read it at your free time (Do u not read it with a bias mind/heart)
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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 1:52am On Feb 06, 2009 |
@Georgecso: You ignorant twart. Robert Spencer is a grandson of an Armenian Turkish man, who left Turkey, because of the Governance of the Turkey' Turks. Though the Turks are mostly muslims, can they be the true representatives of Islam, even when they were claiming orthodoxy, in the time of the Kalifah known under the name of name "Othoman Caliphate?" If the answer is yes, then we should see that it is under this period, too that the Jews saw a continued freedom, without any repression. So did the Christians in the territory! If the answer is no, then that is your answer. Now let me go to the list of silly opinions that Robert Spencer have passed for "true researched informations:"
And for fifty five years of his life, no one recorded that he ever raised his hand against him. Even though, Abu Sham, who later was nicknamed Abu Jahal and others abused him, in every which way possible. A man of war indeed, considering that he did not war against the woman who used to layout obsticles in his path, every morning, even as Madina became Islamic.
And we know how many muslims were killed in Makka, before Hijr to Madina. The muslims feared or their lives so much s, that they migrated to Abysennia, twice, before they finally went to Madina.
And when Allah commanded, should a messenger and or prophet say no?
My intention is not to bash "Jesus", son of Mariam (AS). But I must first state that "Commandment of God", Jesus of the Bible could never have said no to. Or did he? Lets thave a look; Was Jesus not commanded, according to the Christians, to be "sacrificed" for the sins of man? Did Jesus say no? I think Christian "God" was even more violent, since He sent His "begotten son" to be slaughtered mercilesssly, in a way that his soul could be "accursed!". Yet this death is senseless to me since it can not guarantee even the removal of the original sin from the Christians. And there is no guarantee that 100% of the christians will go to Christian heaven, because among the Christians there will be those "Jesus" will say that he does not know, even as they petition him, claiming that they did great miracles in his name!
And "Dr. Spencer" conveniently forgot that Jesus overturned the Table of the Money Exchangers as a child. And as a preacher commanded his disciples to buy Swords from the sales of their "Cloaks", the few possessions that they had.
Was it ever practiced? A commandment or recommendation that is absolutely impossible to keep. Is that a relevant thing? If a person commands me not to eat for days, will I obey him, especially when the pang of hunger is telling me that death is at the door way, if I don't eat? Crazy Robert Spencer is angry with Turkey, so he turned his sight on Islam!
What a beautiful injuction. Muslims, even then were given the decorum of war. If the Muslim God is wrong, then tell me about the Jewish or Children of Israel God, under Moses? This is a very good reason, that we can't take the words of the deceitful pundits, like Robert Spencer with more than a few grains of salt.
Every Messenger and or Prophet (AS) taught love and forgiveness, and obedience to authorities in the societies that they live. Muhammad (AS) was the best of this very example. The muslims in America pay taxes, as well as pay Zakah and make sadaqah. Jesus (AS) was not unique in any of the things listed. Unfortunately, the writer, Robert Spencer is so deluded that he failed to see where Jesyus himself cursed the doers of evil deeds, in his time, many times over.
I wonder if any society is attacked, first, will such a society not at least show displeasure and fight to retaliate in kind? There is no society that have lived to do otherwise. We will now look at the united States, the greatest symbol of Christianity. Regardless of its irreligiousity, the bulk of Christian worldwide ministrial work, is funded by funds from this shore, trying to convert "disbelievers" like me to take a three god in One concept. America has acted in truth on the side of the greatest of all messengers and or prophets, Muhammad (AS). America believed that Al Qaidah as guest of Taliban in Afghanistan attacked her, so she "followed the injuction of Qur'aan 9 :13. But they neglected the injuctions of what Jesus said in Matthew 5 :39. But wait, why did she go to Iraq, whereby matthew 5 :39 will be irrelevant, and both Qur'aanic verses which do not talk about "preemptive strike" could have applied.
[b]Robert could have fooled me, if I did not know that Jesus, son of Mary in the Bible, was not meek, but really a product of his time. Proof; as a youth he caused mayhem to the Money Changers. And as an adult, he cursed his people and asked his supporters to buy swords. And as a product of his time, just was every messenger and prophets were, Jesus was in a community that was already liberated, earlier by so much wars under Moses, etc. But in his time, the bigger and more deadly rulers as invaders controlled his people. As he tried, he reasoned intelligently that it was detrimental to his well being to raise an army against the Romans, since he was not popular even among his own people, if you take into account of his followers, percentage wise, versus the 100% that followed Moses out of Egypt. Meekness, temperance, peace, long suffering, gentleness, etc, none of the children of Israel surpassed John. Or can anyone point to anything that will destroy my statement about him, John, son of Zachariah (AS)?[/b]
Yet there are much love and forgiveness, repentance in this same book. It have over 6,000 verses and less than 200 of them expresses war? lets look at the percentile in this case 2/60 X 100 is 6.66%. Can this be called a Book of war? What happens to the 93.33% that is not about war? Is war not part of human life? How do we resolve it if there was no example from the past?
The last US Administration must have had a good example from the Qur'aan, instead from the Bible! I think Bush and his gang were referred to as "people of faith," right?
In fairnessto the ignorance of Robert Spencer, Shahada (declaration of faith in One God) is the highest duty of Muslims. A person can not take up "Jihad" without first declaring his faith. Otherwise, everything is for nothing.
Not really. Jihad fi sabilillah, involves all actions that one takes for the pleasure of Allah to stop evil and advance good.
[b]And before the "West" in human histrory, there were many civilizations and advanced societies. In each society, the actions and the presence of true belief are frowned upon. Jesus and his band of followers, were unpopular. And so were all the believers and prophets/messengers before him. Noah was another example. I can't but remind us all about the low popularity of Moses in the courts of Egypt and even among the people he was struggling to improve their conditions. Finally, paradise is not guaranteed to those who slay or slain, only. Muslims, on the whole, InshaAllah will enter paradise, as a group. It is a misnomal to think that the muslims who died in other ways will not enter paradise. If there is no war, (harb) could there not be other reasons to continue to struggle/strive (jihad), even against your human nature to do evil, from your mind/heart? I struggle/strive against myself, daily. I warned myself not to do anything against islam, even in business dealing, whereby I could legally, based on societal laws make millions, in almost an instant.[/b]
[b]Let talk about the christian Bible, first. I know that you wanna scurry like a rodent to the hole of New Testament. Moses (AS) was reported to be the greatest messenger and prophet that came from the Children of Israel. If he fought so much, and passed that very mindset to his successors, we must therefore believe that fighting was recommende and appropriate for those particular times, under those particular personalities; King David, whom Jesus have been dubiously associated to as his son. We must not forget King Solomon, either. And it was war that ended the unified "Israel" which broke into spinter nations of Judea and Israel. Now lets talk about, New Testament, to your relief; please pay attention that Jesus and his group of believing followers used all the means that they had at their disposals. They had their mouth, while they lacked the will and means of means to take up arms, to face a rather formidable opponents; the rest of the populations and Rome, individually and or together. An authentic ahadith of the prophet Muhammad (AS) says that when you see evil; if you have the strength to fight it, do so with all your might. If you are weak not to raise up arms against it, fight it with your mouth by talking against it. If you are very weak to even do that, then at least hate it in your heart, because that is the least of belief you can practiced, in the face of great evil. This ahadith rings through even today; when a person believes he is right and the others are wrong and has the almost absolute power at his disposal, he raises an arm against the evil perception; President Bush did that against Al Qaidah and its host Taliban in Afghanistan. Bush didn't stop there. He continued unopposed to Saddam Hussaine (ra) of Iraq, simply because he deemed himself right and powerful to do so. In the case of just speaking against evil, if that thats what is available to you, we saw Cyndi Shehan doing just exactly that in the Summer of 2006, outside Crawford, Texas, against George Bush's action of war in Iraq. And I am sure that many of us hate something by our heart, even though we would have loved to talk about it, or forcefully change it. But we do not have the means of force and neither the means that is appropriate to talk about it.[/b]
Darn you Robert. God did not allow wars against any people, except that they are "disbelievers" of their days. And the prophet who led was always empowered by God. Jesus was not empowered to fight anybody, even though he commanded the purchase of "SWORDS" and showed the fiestiness of fighter even as a youth, when he overturned the table. This is the only reason he did not fight. Moses was not empowered to fight Pharaoh, so we saw no fight between he and Tyrannical Pharaoh. And God empowered Moses to fight those he fought.
We are no children "Professor." God of the old testament did not change when He came to New Testament era. Noah did not fight anybody. All he did was obey his Lord. Jesus did the same.
Of course the teaching of Jesus was feared by disbelievers. Afterall, the disbelievers will not have any pleasing rewards, at least in Jesus heavenly Kingdom. To suffer in this world is better than to suffer in the lake of fire of the christians. Or is it not?
Yet the Christians of today sign war songs. The Jews are petrified that they will someday meet their doom at the hands of the christians.
Thank God for recent history. Jewish leaders; Prime Ministers bombed the "King David Hotel in Jerusalem to get rid of the british, the mandate holder of palestine. They even bobby trapped the body of the dead British soldiers.
Robert carries under his breast, an underdeveloped heart. I remembered Forrest Gump, the movie. The narrator knew what it is. So was the listerner. The listener is forced to bring about in his mind, the actual live situation of what he hears. Islam is for matured mind and people with complete conviction that God the Creator is not a created being. He is the Knower, The always alive and the One Who has Power over all things.
Robert has not disappointed me, yet. For us, in Islam, we know the messeges and there is no confusion, disorientation, and incomprehensibility in our understanding. However for a heart that is void of Faith, there will always be all of the above. Allah says, they go about not seeing and not hearing.
If I had been in position to revoke this guy's Ph. D., I will not hesitate for a very simple reason; he said the Qur'aan contained words from others, except what Allah "Commands, in speech". He also said that the ahadith contains explanations except what Muhammad (AS), alone said! Liar, I said.
[b]Qur'aan is complete. Ahadiths are only explanations. Qur'aan stands on its own.
Ahadith has many divisions and topics. War (harb) is a small part of it. Just like in the Qur'aanic, too.
There were many times that the prophet (AS) was asked about the "best deeds" and Jihad (struggle) or Harb (war) was not the answer he gave. A man was excused in a war because he still had "parents!"
For the umpty time, Robert, Jihad is not war, but struggle. Harb is war! You must have learn your arab from a donkey, for a carmel would have been a better teacher
I wonder if Islam was not peaceful, when it had the "power", could any non-muslim survived in say the middle east, to even a single soul? Should have been any who is not a muslim in Arab land after Islam gained power? The Qur'aan testified against Robert by many verses. Allah says that there is no compulsion in religion. In many verses the disbelievers were mentioned. Emphasis were made as to indicate them as idolworshippers and the people of the books were not forgotten, along with the hypocrites among the muslims.
I want to know where death was a mentioned "choice!" Please somebody should ask Robert Spencer to educate us, because if death was any of the choices, I guess it would have been purposeless to have Jizya! By the way Muslims are supposed to pay two types of Zakah; fitri and maal, in addition to voluntary year round charitability called sadaqah.
Actually the mother of all pc and computer pc myth, is your lie against Islam. How about you telling us who spoke in the Qur'aan except what Allah Himself permitted, or which of the things can pass as ahadith, except what Muhammad (AS) permitted, or where did you get your 3 options of convertion, payment of special tax called Jizya or "death"?
Sayyid Qutb (ra), for me is not the all time example of Islam. Muhammad (AS) himself is. So were his companions. So were the followers of his companions. And so were the followers of the followers of his companions. End of story. From these three generations and the chairman himself (AS), there you have my models.
I am reminded of how the coptic christians wrote to Umar bin Khattab (RA) to help them against the injustices of the Roman catholic upon them. Was this a group leader of the unjust people? I am also reminded of the Christians' worship in Madina, in the masjid of the prophet himself. I am finally reminded of his kindness and wholesale amnesty of forgiveness on Makkans, the people who had tormented him and his followers for so long. They killed his favored Uncle Hamzah, and carved out his heart which a woman ate raw. Think about it, Robert. Ethnic Turks ran your grandfather out of Turkey, you haven't forgiven them, even now that you are in relative ease in USA. Turks harshness have benefitted you and your father and even your bitter grandfather.
This dude is a clown. Even worse than my boy, davidylan. How can those people who ignore a verse, can remember it at any time? It is not possible to "remember" something unless, you had forgotten it. And those who ignored a verse in the Qur'aan lack faith, or knowledge or both. The word "infidels' was first used in Timothy Book of the Bible.
Liar Robert Spencer, please tell us the wars and intolerance, while I educate you on the wars and intolerance of Jews and Christians, even to this day. Look around, you stupid. It is overwhelming.
I now realised where Olaadegbu have been doing his "islamic bashing shopping!" Omoya, Robert Spencer Oo lori!" The darn fool has Ph. D. from Temle, in North Caroline. Thats just all. he can't think outside the box. If he could he would not have said other entities spoke in Qur'aan, not being Allah's words. This alone, kills all the graymatters in his brain.
I wonderwhich was "Christian land befoer crusade, and which still remained Christian land, now? Where in Middle east can anyone say that belongs to the Christians?
Is "embrace islamand you will be safe" carries a tone of threat, except a matter of factly? Does Jesus saves and or does do not unyoke with the disbeliever or Jesus is lord or every knee shall bow carry less threat or they are statements of facts, from prolythesizing perspective?
I will love some bold christian or Jew to provide that verse in the Qur'aan where it is stated that "convert to Islam or pay taxes or die." We see that Robert gave verses where convenient. But in the convert or pay taxes or die argument, there is no verse. I also wonder if you kill the person you intend to humiliate by his paying taxes, why ask for taxes, in the first place? I almost feel that Robert is telling us the taxpayers of USA citizenry that we are being humiliated. Is that what you mean slimy mouthed Pinocchio? I have seen him before. He truly does have slimy mouth.
Robert you forgot Umar bin Kattab's honoring and respecting the Christian patriach of Jerusalem, by refusing to make Salah in the same church, so that future muslims would not think that they can convert the Church to Masjid. You forgot the letters of muhammad (AS) to the Christian monks, giving them and their people full unfettered protections.
Robert, I have news for you. The Jews of zionsit Israel are doing exact same thing! So what are you going to do about it? I guess your overall view that "jews" are peaceful have been compromised!
Where is the "killing" if they can't pay taxes, and yet did not convert under "forceful conversion?"
Could others have been your own children? Not really. If this had happened, Christianity would have dwendled to nothingness. I noticed that Robert is not talking about the Jews "suffering" under the muslims, since the Jews have obviously prospered at this very time, under the muslims.
The same Constantinople in Turkey is now Islamic. Robert where is your conscience?
Where is a Christian land in Middleeast, today? By the way, systemic killing of wiping out a group of people, is called genocide. In that genocidial mindset, holocaust was practiced not by muslims, but by a person who puts on a cross, a european!
A good number of muslims are from the west, Robert. They will disagree with you. Many are young and very educated. Their thought is completely different from yours.
Has Robert heard or seen on Youtube the "Christian missionary attrocities?"
And Jews awaits the convert to Christianity or die, as the last main-events.
This man must be a wicked soul. The One all Muslims are loyal to is allah. Muhammad is a muslim. Qur'an is the uncreated book of Allah. Muhammad is also loyal to it.
The country and its citizenry are subjects to Allah. What are the examples of the lying, stealing and killings above?
David, look at the title of the Book; Philistine. Does it mean anything today? Palestine rings a bell? By the way, Robert, Muhammad Ali did not fight for USA in Vietnam war.
I wished Arafat (ra) had been a good muslim man. He would not have put the Palestinian funds in care of a Jewish financial management team. And he would not have married a Christian, while ignoring Muslim Palestinian women.
I am so glad that Salaudin left such a pain in your heart. In way, there is what strategem of war. Salaudin was a master of that.
This guy knows nothing about the history of Islam, under Muhammad (AS). The treaty of Hudaybiyyah allowed Muhammad and the Muslims to concentrate their efforts against others. In the Fathi of Makka, there was no single blood shed and no soul was lost, because there was fight/combat/battle. Unless there were other places where there were Quraish tribes other than Makka, the Makkan Quraish did not lose a soul when Muslims opened Makka.
Can anyone tell us which nation was swept in the last 50 years by Islam? Liar you are Rob!
Is the agenda of Christianity any less? Consider that Jesus was considered the savior of the world, it is no wonder that the soldiers of jesus are today invading non-christian lands, to Christianize it.
What I have seen throughout this piece from Robert Spencer and the exegese from Jonathan hansen is nothing short of mud throwing. It did not work with me. How can a wormout called a new pot black?[/quote] |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 8:52am On Feb 06, 2009 |
[size=13pt]@ Olabowale ( the Deedat of Naija) @Georgecso: You ignorant twart. Its your opinion and l respect that but u're utterly wrong bro. Before you conclude please kindly download the second part. Sometimes the truth is bitter and it hurts. Don't get bitter just act like a jury when u're reading it. Its like you don't seems to understand that their are clear distinctions between Jews and Christians. Remember open your mind and your heart when reading it. Please kindly post your response on the topic " Did Jesus died on the Cross? " by one of our big bros Alan-Tara[/size]
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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 1:01am On Feb 07, 2009 |
@georgecso:
I clearly remembered that the Judeo-Christian "chosen people", the Jews even made an Idol which they worshipped as their god, and "golden calf" is what this is known by. The "chosen people" returned, then and again to worships of gods of this kind or another, throughout their message carrier time, before Jesus came and the "christians" became the message carrier. Now, during the Jews period, even the people proclaim that King Solomon, the wise worshipped some gods. Now lets get to Christians; you have your own idols; the crucibles or crosses, Jesus, The holy spirit and father. Of course, I dont wanna disappoint the Catholics who pay attention to "mother of god", Mary. Now lets talk abot the Muslims. It is very clear that "the verses were rendered useless", immediately. I I can tell you that no one worshipped any of the so called "daughters". Infact, they were debased, along with all of the other idols in Kaaba and around Makka, the very moment Makka was opened and came under Islam. Immediately, alLat, alManat, alUzza, were all broken and there is no relic of them in Makka or with any muslim, anywhere. The idol worshippers, even today, while claiming to be monotheist are the "Christians!" And you know you can't escape that label, especially when you worship, or have a Father god, a Son god (it may just as well be Sun god with a helo on the head of some "picture", when we know when Camera was develpoed later, even after Muhammad (AS)), and a Holy Ghost god!
Please post the Satanic Verses, if you have them.
No one abrogated any verse that was recited during the life of Muhammad, after he died. Can anyone provide a proof?
The "Jews" were not interested in Jesus, either, even though he was one of their own. Is the refusal of the Jews to follow a prophet the litmus of that prophet's truthfuness of purpose? The answer will be no, because if it is yes, it has totally renedered Christianity false and afftected Jesus as well. Muhammad (AS) even showed great courage, since the Jews, as Children of Israel on the whole even discriminated against his progenitor, and their grant Uncle; Ismail (AS). I am asking myself how did the Jews ended up in Madina, rather than any other part of Arabia and Makka, prior to when Muhammad (AS) arrived, and never left, even when he arrived? What was their purpose of being Madina and why did they stay, if they had impostor in their mist? Was the reason they went to Madina was because their expected prophet was supposed to appear there, thinking he will be a son from amongst them, to liberate them, starting frommadina?
Which Jewish laws dropped, that were practiced before then?
Did Christianity,uner Jesus followed "jewish sabbath?" And who did the Jews followed, because they were not the first to believe in One God. Noah for example believed and he was not a Jew. Now as for Islam, being the newest and latest of its form under Muhammad (AS), the finality of guidelines had to come and ratified under him. It is therefore not surprising that his "Islamic" system gradually and in time took a final form. By the way, Adam was created to fully alive human on Friday. And the day of Judgement will be Friday. I just want to throw these for your your need to know, so that you can see the Importance of Friday.
Can this guy be called a muslim? Just bearing Ali and coming from the arabs and or Islamic family is not enough. If Islam was to break all idolatry ideas, can it be said that hajj is idolatry when Ibrahim himself started it, under the commandment of Allah? I could have responded to the monetary gains hypothesis, but I find it ridiculous, since Muhammad (AS) died extremely poor, in the face of such potential wealth!
And Muhammad (AS) cracked the "moon!" Do the christians crack Jesus, or holy ghost or father? Or have you seen a Buhddist smashed his box, before? The fact that Muhammad cracked the moon is enough that the moon was not an object of worship of the Muslims, except as discribed in the Qur'aan, as a borrower of light from a light source!
This is a pure waste of my time and energy. I find the whole story from these ignorant twarts and disbelieving goons amusing. Pathetic.
If the Victory of the Jews is the ignominy of Islam, then 1948 was also a destarous year for Christianity. The funny thing is that Christianity has not even a leg to stand on in the "so called land of the Jews!" Noticed that the writer says it is "part" only. This brings about the remembrance of how Salaudin sacked the Crusaders, at long last. And before that, Masjid Aqsa dis not see any prayer for 99 years. Jews victory is only from 1948. A mere 61 years. Yet, the disgraced Muslims still have Aqsa, and the victorious Jews don't have a Temple built! Who has actually been disgraced here?
Islam extended beyond the arabs. Allah says in the Qur'aan; Al arab (the ignorant, uncouth among them) is a clear evildoer. Does Islam live or die by the existence of Arabs? The answer is no! But I wonder what happened to the face of Jews, if it was blackened or not, when they were being defeated right and left by nations, including the people who took their Original things that Moses gave them (Ark of the covenant)? This haters of Islam are in the pits, man.
Give me a single verse to proof this?
Viotent over Salah?
This will be impossible, since the Christians will still have to be the ones to kill the Jews unless they convert to Christianity! You see how ridiculous the whole darn statement is?
I think the songs that the arabs are now singing is their effort to immitate the Christians in their "onward marching soldiers, !"
And when the jews were killing the peoples of the nations they encountered in their exodus, and even under their "kings', just imagine what the victims were saying? definitely, not heaping praises at the killers. Same condition when the Christians were conquering the nations of Africa and others around the world. is it not interesting that the only place that Chrsitianity of the west or even that of paul did not remain as a factor today or unable to conquer is the middle east the arabs, directly? But let stop for a moment to look at the early Christians, since Muhammad (AS) is the archilles heel of you people. Jesus of the bible started out table turner at young age. At adult refused to answer hsi mother, and his people accused him of treachery, and he asked for the purchase of Swords. Now tell me do we have a person who is meek here? It is no surprising that Muhammad (AS) followed good companies, in the personage of Moses and Jesus. But wait a minute; Didn't father Abraham fought wars, where in his victorious return, he was blessed by Melchesedek, the King of Salem? You guys are a blast in your shortsightedness, in your quickness to malign Islam! |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 1:02am On Feb 07, 2009 |
Georgecso: Please dont waste my time with materials from these new age idiots. They amount to nothing. And truly, I hate typing. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 8:57am On Feb 07, 2009 |
@ Olabowale Quote I don't need to remind you of the objective cardinals of Hamaz and my main man Ahamadeen Najad Please dont waste my time with materials from these new age idiots. They amount to nothing. And truly, I hate typing Please bro don't call this whole debate a waste of time. We should open our hearts and minds to comprehend each other. Yes we can! Kindly Read the Part 3 of 5 before you manke any conlcusion.
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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 9:08am On Feb 07, 2009 |
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Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by georgecso(m): 10:09am On Feb 07, 2009 |
[size=14pt][b]@ Olabowale, Bindex and Alan-Tara "Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244 War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216 If you die fighting for Allah, you'll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157 Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195 Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89 If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91 God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169 Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41 Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45 Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72 Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80 Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125 Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167 Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17 Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60 Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111[/b][/size] |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 3:34pm On Feb 07, 2009 |
@georgecso: « #521 on: Today at 08:57:31 AM »
"a" was your statement. And "1" was my questioning its truth. When you responded to me with "2", I wonder if you understood my demand from you, at all in my "1", above. If "Hamas" or "Ahmadenejjad" the "VERSE" in the Qur'aan as "Prrof?" [Quote] Please dont waste my time with materials from these new age idiots. They amount to nothing. And truly, I hate typing Please bro don't call this whole debate a waste of time. We should open our hearts and minds to comprehend each other. Yes we can! [/quote] Obama Junkie. In this case, no you can't. I have been muslim all my life, with Christianity at a hearshot, as a youth. In my adult life, I live for at least 15 years or more consistently, without any significan break with Christians and Christianity. Now I deal with Jews, Christians and others, for almost 23 years, straight. I hear Church or Christian songs being played around me, at least daily or many days in a week. There is no time I am attracted to it, with all the lures, and worldly immediate benefits and gratifications; women, money, etc that some are almost literaly throwing at me. Just to support my statement, that I am alone in this. Shekh saliu, a Jula tribe man of Guinea Conakry, started a masjid at the corner of Lewis and Halsey Streets in the Historically Preserved section of Bedford Styvesant of Brooklyn. he works for the New York Correction System. Some of the Christian Chaplains have asked him, not once, but many times, since 911 to abandone Islam, and the rewards of trememdous amount of wealth awaits him. He had to even tell us, that he felt sad for himself, because what is it that he "Christians" who are asking him saw as a form of "opening" in him? He from this incidence, beginto increase his effort in bettering his Islam. And before, he had a master's degree from Al Ahzar University, in islamic Jurispudence. Also, a Master's degree in Economics from University in New York, after his arrival to this shore in 1973. And to go back to my case; the Primary disqualification of christianity to all in islam, is the very thing that attracts and renders Islam very uthenically true; There is no god, by the Only God Whose personal name is Allah. He alone is worthy of being the LOrd God Creator, Ever Living, (Never dies, full of no fatique or stress), The Knower and Possessor of All Knowledge and The Power, Whom everything is under His control and everything is in need of Him! When you know this, you will definitely eliminate, Angels, all Human Messengers/Prophets, Genies, all known and unknown entities as your Lord God Creator! You see why no one, Jesus (Son of Mary), included could not be God Lord Creator?
I already concluded, before I was born. My aged mother, Victoria Mariam Samuel will tell you that. SHe is now a Muslim, reverting in just less than 4 years from Christianity to Islam. Every Glory Belongs to Allah. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by slimfine(f): 9:04pm On Feb 07, 2009 |
georgecso: If this is what Muslim Allah is all about, I am very disappointed. |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Kingkeem: 5:16am On Feb 08, 2009 |
“But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send you from the Father, he will bear witness to me.” (John 15:26). Who is it to bear witness to the message of the Messiah ملاسلا هيلع and declare him free from what the Jews fabri-cate about him other than the information about the Messenger of Allâh, Muhammad ملسو هيلع للها ىلص? Christ also said: “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” (John 16:12-14) Muhammad ملسو هيلع للها ىلص is indeed the Paraclete (the Comforter)to whom Christ ملاسلا هيلع pointed to. The Paraclete. Originally from the Greek word Paracletos which literally denotes “The one who is most praiseworthy.” Which is equivalent to the Ara-bic word دحما Ahmed which is the name of Muhammad |
Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by Nobody: 5:17am On Feb 08, 2009 |
kingkeem . . . is mohammad's name in the bible muslims claim the jews have corrupted? Can you tell us where to find the injil allah lied to have given to Jesus? |
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