axeman85:

@igbo boy

This is not a matter of the rate, if you want to do somethin then you are given a quotation either u like it or lump it as its mandatory . Lagos is already clustered already with houses everywhere and more people tropping into lagos on a daily basis for various reasons.  rates are being paid everywhere even in developed countries and they even disguise their such as council tax, which varies from area to area. for a company wanting to build such a mighty development, they should be able to pay the rates becos when they start selling off the houses they will be in million of naira or even rent it out in dollars and pounds. its a housing development and one way or the other the govt must benefit from it as hopefully the proceeds will go back to improving the city of lagos.

My dear friend i beg to differ it is a matter on the proportion of tax, I dont think the developers have issues with paying taxes, Everything else you said I agree with except with the mandatory sentence you put there, I think it is in the best interest of Lagos State to sit down with the developers and try to reach a mutual agreeable term,

if so, people would be morel likely to pay whatever is due to the govt cos they felt their voice and input was taken into consideration (equity) rather than try to find ways to beat the system and not pay their dues because they feel its not fair

Igbo-boy. It's the truth you have being told lagos is congested with homogenous crowd and heteregenous people. So for a good development this is a good start

Unfortunately, the taxes seem to be making up for years of neglect on that front.
Although the money is necessary, these taxes are really through the roof.
Well these things must be done in order to ensure progress. Harsh, very harsh but unfortunately necessary.

@igbo boy

i understand what you are saying BuT bearing in mind fashola isnt the one who just woke up and made the decision on his own, a panel or board members must have sat down in a round table and decide on what the rate should be. so blaming fashlola is not the right thing to do. although his position matters but there are so called experts that approved the rate.

Tenants! You now know where to direct your grudges!

I support Fashola in all he has been doing but for this one I don't think that any reasonable person can support it.

Sometimes I imagine the type of mentality some people have, all we are saying is that the tax is outrageous and some people are there shouting pay your tax, pay your tax.

There must be a[b] proper and moderate percentage of tax to be paid on each property based on the worth of the property.[/b]

@axeman85
Must you talk nonsense to earn your pay? Stop typing if you don't understand English. You seem to be replying without reading up the subject matter. You are a bloody fool for trying to defend the indefensible. Do you pay tax at all? I WILL DIRECT A CYBER-BLOW AT YOU IF YOU DON'T GET OFF THIS THREAD? BOOT LICKER.

Akwa-ugo:

@axeman85
Must you talk nonsense to earn your pay? Stop typing if you don't understand English. You seem to be replying without reading up the subject matter. You are a bloody fool for trying to defend the indefensible. Do you pay tax at all? I WILL DIRECT A CYBER-BLOW AT YOU IF YOU DON'T GET OFF THIS THREAD? BOOT LICKER.

Totally uncalled for !!! There better ways at conveying your message instead of throwing insults

axeman85:

@igbo boy

i understand what you are saying BuT bearing in mind fashola isnt the one who just woke up and made the decision on his own, a panel or board members must have sat down in a round table and decide on what the rate should be. so blaming fashlola is not the right thing to do. although his position matters but there are so called experts that approved the rate.

Just so you know, Fashola at least had to approve the rate for the board/panel to decide it was applicable state-wide.

But anyways, my question to you is this, you mention a panel/board probably made the decision, and I have to ask, at what point in a DEMOCRACTIC system are they people then brought in to this decision making process. Or we no longer running one?

Those charges are just sensless, it's a no-brainer even arguing.

The retes are outrageous, once he succeed in sending the wrong message to property developers and other business owners, Lagos will be done for life!

Akwa-ugo:

@axeman85
Must you talk nonsense to earn your pay? Stop typing if you don't understand English. You seem to be replying without reading up the subject matter. You are a bloody fool for trying to defend the indefensible. Do you pay tax at all? I WILL DIRECT A CYBER-BLOW AT YOU IF YOU DON'T GET OFF THIS THREAD? BOOT LICKER.

who are you to come and ask me if i pay tax ? i have been paying tax before you started going to school idiot. i live and work in the uk for now and in the 5/6yrs i have lived here i have worked and paid tax at the normal rate and also at 40% ok. so yes i do pay my tax and if i was living and working in lagos which i will soon be by the grace of God i will also pay tax.

anyway i dont blame you its educated illieterates like you that see faults with things which are meant to bring progress and betterment to the people of lagos.

in regards to earning my pay , lagos state doenst pay me neither does fashola or any naija governmental bodies pay me. I AM AN ACCOUNT MANAGER WORKING FOR BANKS IN THE UK WHICH INCLUDE. LLOYDS TSB, HBOS, NATWEST, THAMES WATER, SOUTHERN WATER AND ABBEY BANK. OK.

SO YOU ARE NOT MY LEVEL TO BE TRADING INSULTS WITH YOU.

Kobojunkie:

Just so you know, Fashola at least had to approve the rate for the board/panel to decide it was applicable state-wide.

But anyways, my question to you is this, you mention a panel/board probably made the decision, and I have to ask, at what point in a DEMOCRACTIC system are they people then brought in to this decision making process. Or we no longer running one?

in one of my post i did say even thou experts were consulted before decision was made also his position also played an mportant matter in it because he also has to approve it.

my brother, certain decision are made without the general public being consulted same as it is done in western world, when they sat down to increase 40% tax for those high earners in uk for example, they didnt consult the public, when they increase council tax and reduced vat they didnt consult the public. what am trying to say is in governmeent there are certtain decision which are being made and which the general public dont have a say in it, thats why we have senators representing each consituency and areas and also hod and directors in urp area of government if fashola rights a bill and passes it to the assembly for approval . if they assembly passes the bill thru then why should fashola be blamed if its not favourable to the next person. ? one mans food is anothers poison.

Fashola Risks Impeachment, as he digs into Bola Tinubu`s N2.1bn Monthly Commission
Sunday, 13 December 2009 09:00



It is no longer news that Lagos State Governor, Mr. Babatunde Raji Fashola (SAN) has denied several times the report of a feud between him and his predecessor, Senator Bola Tinubu and alleged impeachment threat by the State House of Assembly under the leadership of Adeyemi Ikuforiji, but the sheer realities are vigorously playing out by the day which obviously show that the centre could no longer hold, but the smart Governor and his predecessor has often blamed it all on the works of the fifth columnist.



Huhuonline.com understands that the cause of the sharp disagreement between the political God-son and God-father was not unconnected with N2.1 billion naira commission that Alpha Beta receives on a monthly basis; Fashola huhuonline.com learnt is unhappy and has complained about the N2.1billion commission accrued to the former Governor (Bola Tinubu) through his company, Alpha Beta, a Tax consultancy firm which collects tax on behalf of the state government. One now understands why the clamour for compliance over tax payment in Lagos now becomes a big issue. The State Government spends billions of naira in putting jingles, TV commercial, postal, handbills, billboards, adverts and advertorials in all the available mass media using all the major languages in the country to conveying the message to the public. The State even went as far as running TV commercial on the CNN, just to drive home the message of prompt and regular tax payments in the state all in the interest of Bola Tinubu.

Other reasons purportedly cooked up on Fashola is not just disloyal to Tinubu, but the party at large (AC), giving that he has been involved in several anti-party activities in the state and also revealing all the State classified information and the party's to the press and the opposition, particularly the online media (huhuonline.com). The Tinubu loyalist also claim that the Governor and his agents have been giving out some details of secret affairs of some of the serving Commissioners and other principal officers in his cabinet, who are in advisory capacities, believed to be loyal to Tinubu, with the attempt to malign their image, expose them of their atrocities and even to frustrate them out of the system. They also frivolously alleged financial indiscretion, and administrative incapability on the part of the Governor.

Huhuonline.com reliably has it that Tinubu was not favourably disposed to the Fashola's re-election in 2011 poll because of alleged “growing wings.” He was said to be rooting for the candidacy of the incumbent Commissioner for Environment, Dr. Muiz Banire, in 2011. Our findings have it that Banire and Fashola often engage self in some verbal attacks in full public glare and that Banire has equally make it a usual habit to always come late to their weekly executive sessions. Not just Banire also the controversial Tokunbo Afikuyomi equally treat the Governor with disdain with the belief that he is a traitor to his God father Senator Bola Tinubu. Huhuonline.com can conveniently say that Tinubu's preference has polarized AC in Lagos State, especially the State House of Assembly and the entire kitchen cabinet in the state.

Just recently, a meeting was held and well attended by some high profiled power brokers of Action Congress, in the outcome of the meeting; State House of Assembly denied reports alleging that it's plotting to impeach the state Governor, Babatunde Fashola. Reacting to this, Fashola who has often maintained a diplomatic stance on this issue, said the meeting they had was primarily centred on the review of the 1999 Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, dismissing the report of impeachment threat. According to him, the meeting includes Senator Olorunimbe Mamora, Honorable Femi Gbajabiamila, elder statesman, Alhaji Femi Okunu, Attorney-General and Commissioner for Justice, Mr. Olasupo Shasore (SAN) and Commissioner for the Environment, Dr. Muiz Banire among others. The Governor explained that the deliberations between Tinubu and other participants were based on the ongoing Constitution Review Committee, for which Lagos State had been billed to host the South-West zone. He said: "We just finished a meeting on Constitution Review. Lagos will be hosting the South-West zone. It is imperative for us to put things together before the committee arrives Lagos. You will recall that Tinubu, in his eight years as governor, had championed the course for Constitution Review.

"There is no rift between Tinubu and I. There are certain things that must be respected and should be discussed in politics. The relationship between Tinubu and I goes beyond being a governor and I will do all I can to sustain it. Some people are dreaming and if they remain in their dreams the development of Lagos will go on and leave them behind. There is no reason for us to fight. Speaking on the alleged impeachment threat, Fashola said: "Tinubu is my leader and the leader of my party, the Action Congress. The state remains solidly united and I will urge all to stop peddling rumours." Meanwhile, Tinubu was all anger, when he walked out from the parley held at Lagos House, Marina, but Gov. Fashola denied any rift when asked to comment on the parley.

Just like the God-son too, the immediate past Governor of Lagos State, Bola Tinubu, also debunked insinuations of a cold war between him and Governor Babatunde Fashola.

He said the tie between them is "unbreakable and unshakable". Tinubu described the insinuation as "pepper soup and beer parlour talk". His words: "Tell Lagosians that this unity is with a common vision, a common transition, a common goal , belief and a strict focus for the good of the people of Lagos State and Nigeria." You've seen me here today; is there any sign of discord? Once in a while, I visit to really talk or review. I don't like coming often to disturb him or distract him. But whatever stories you've heard about us having issues are lies; it's a fabrication coming from the PDP and enemies of progress." He said Fashola is doing a marvelous job. Tinubu went on: "You can see the transformation, radical development of Lagos State, and he is very effective and focused.

"We have a division of responsibility here. I am a politician and you have a serious, focused governor who a technocrat is doing his job. There is no doubt there would be friction, but we have developed that relationship over the years in the cabinet. We didn't establish a cabinet of robots; no master-servant relationship. Rather, we have been a progressive government. I tell you the unity, solidarity and sense of brotherhood would be a threat to our party's opponents, what they cannot achieve through the front door they would achieve through the back door." To Tinubu, "What the detractors are enviable of is a demonstration of how a great model of political relationship and governance should be."

For the followers of Lagos politics it would be recalled that late Engineer Funsho Williams won Lagos Gubernatorial Primary under the platform Alliance for Democracy in 1998/1999 but it was resolved by some party elders that since Tinubu has been in exile for many years as a consequence of Abacha's threat to his life, he should be allowed to run as the party flag bearer as 'compensation' to the troubles he went through during those locust years of Abacha rule. And also Funsho Williams who served under the Military (Col. Buba Marwa) as Commissioner for Works was asked to wait for 4 years; at the expiration of Tinubu's tenure of 4 years term, out of greediness and power-drunk syndrome, Tinubu refused to allow Funsho to contest. Funsho however left AD angrily and contested against Tinubu in PDP, but he eventually lost to AD. In preparation for 2007 guber election again, Funsho who has got a lot of sympathy from Lagosians rolled out drums for support again, and the momentum he gathered showed that he would defeat the Tinubu's party (from Alliance for Democracy, AD to Action Congress, AC) some weeks to PDP primaries Funsho Williams was murdered in cold blood and the killers are yet to be apprehended . This perpetually made his dream of becoming Governor of Lagos State a mirage.

This development however, doused tension for AC in Lagos and more so, most of the PDP big wigs then decamped to AC with their hundreds of thousands of supporters, some of them are Enoch Ajibosho, Commissioner for Agriculture, Adenrele Adeniran-Ogunsanya, SSG, Prince Adeniji Adele Commissioner for Youth and Sports etc. They all left PDP as a result of the candidacy of Ambassador Musiliu Obanikoro, whose emergence as party flag bearer did not go down well with them. Also Tinubu who has wield to himself power of 'God-fatherism' handpicked very undemocratically the serving Governor Babatunde Fashola, who was his Chief of Staff as the flag bearer, this also caused a major crack in Action Congress leaving all the 11 aspirants who had been parading themselves initially for the position to leave AC over the alleged imposition of Fashola. Prominent among the aggrieved aspirants then was Jimi Abaje and the then Deputy Governor to Tinubu, Mr. Femi Pedro. Femi eventually got a ticket under Labour Party and Jimi also in DPA. In all of this Lagosians will have to keep their fingers crossed till 2011 and see what the event will unfold in the fiasco between God-Father and God-Son, as well as other political parties and candidates who are desperately ambitious for the same seat in the same year, indeed time will definitely tell.

http://www.businessguideghana.com/nigeria-business/2784-fashola-risks-impeachment-as-he-digs-into-bola-tinubus-n21bn-monthly-commission.html


That is the source as posted by proudly9ja.

Then, all the people supporting the new tax regime, should read the above and think twice about Fasola's tax. Is it worth it or is it to settle contractual agreement with Bola Tinubu, under the guise of making Lagos a Mega city?

magragold:

The retes are outrageous, once he succeed in sending the wrong message to property developers and other business owners, Lagos will be done for life!

initiator:

Those charges are just sensless, it's a no-brainer even arguing.

why must it be lagos that they must develop ? why dont these developers go to areas like ibafo, ikorodu, sango, abule egba. areas. am not sure if i can remember but i tink in the original post the guy said it was a plot in banana island or island. how many of us here can afford to go and live in such areas where rent are being charged in dollars and pounds. ?  lets be realistic and put aside sentiments. what has to be done has to be done. for lagos to move forward harsh and difficult decisions has to be made. but at least the tax u guys are paying you can see where the money is going .   we always complain lets learn to appreciate the good little things we can get from fashola while he is there the next person if fashola goes migh just be another ibori.

axeman85:

in one of my post i did say even thou experts were consulted before decision was made also his position also played an mportant matter in it because he also has to approve it.

my brother, certain decision are made without the general public being consulted same as it is done in western world, when they sat down to increase 40% tax for those high earners in uk for example, they didnt consult the public, when they increase council tax and reduced vat they didnt consult the public.

Which decisions? Tax decisions? At the state level? I currently live in a state where the one man who kept speaking of a need for a tax increase only recently got voted out by the public. We just had the elections only a couple of months ago to voice our opinion on the work our reps have been doing at the national level and many of them got the message. Are you sure it happens in the western world the way it does in Lagos or you just want to claim it does?

axeman85:

what am trying to say is in governmeent there are certtain decision which are being made and which the general public dont have a say in it, thats why we have senators representing each consituency and areas and also hod and directors in urp area of government if fashola rights a bill and passes it to the assembly for approval . if they assembly passes the bill thru then why should fashola be blamed if its not favourable to the next person. ? one mans food is anothers poison.

What I see you doing is becoming typical. So a Governor, supposedly elected by the people should not be blamed by the people for making a decision that they would probably have to consult their reps to voice out against?  What in the world are we trying to do to ourselves here? Why the meandering ?

@oboma1

if the above said is true then its very bad and its uncalled for by fashola but we all know the issue of politics in nigeria and issues of god father and god son in politics. i am not in support of the afore mentioned by huhuonline. but what i stand on is that tax should be paid and if the government see increasing it is a way of boosting revenue for the state and reducing congestion of houses then so be it . for heavens sake. you stand in your bedroom after taking a shower and your next door neighbour can see your unclothedness just becos of closeness to each other. nonsesnse and still new buildings are springing up everyday. why wont they be traffic jams and increament in rent from landlords.

@axeman85
You are 'forming' like modern kids say. You are a bloody liar and all what you said about yourself are pure lies. You are one of those fools planted in discussion fora online to takl rubbish. Hide your head in shame and stop writing nonsense.

You seem totally ignorant of how democracy works. No matter what you say, people know you for what you are-an internet plant of some govt official. You are right, we are not on the same level, I work hard for my money, you bootlick for yours. No comparison.

Akwa-ugo:

@axeman85
You are 'forming' like modern kids say. You are a bloody liar and all what you said about yourself are pure lies. You are one of those fools planted in discussion fora online to takl rubbish. Hide your head in shame and stop writing nonsense.

You seem totally ignorant of how democracy works. No matter what you say, people know you for what you are-an internet plant of some govt official. You are right, we are not on the same level, I work hard for my money, you bootlick for yours. No comparison.

in as much as i dont want to trade insults with you. i will be forced to do so. i am proud for what i do so i can flaunt it anywhere and if i want to lie or impress people i would do it in a better way instead of a kid like you. i live and work in a country where they practice democracy. shame for you bring all you are worth in you life and i will break it down into pieces. you come on here all mighty talk of working hard, do they pick money on the floor anywhere in the country. i am a firm believe and stand for the proper way things should be done. what do you do for a living anway, guess u r one of those that live in 1bedroom apartment of share with your friends ofr live with your folks so you dont know what independence means. follish fool.

post your resume and let me post mine and we can compare and see whos is better.

Kobojunkie:

Which decisions? Tax decisions? At the state level? I currently live in a state where the one man who kept speaking of a need for a tax increase only recently got voted out by the public. We just had the elections only a couple of months ago to voice our opinion on the work our reps have been doing at the national level and many of them got the message. Are you sure it happens in the western world the way it does in Lagos or you just want to claim it does?

What I see you doing is becoming typical. So a Governor, supposedly elected by the people should not be blamed by the people for making a decision that they would probably have to consult their reps to voice out against?  What in the world are we trying to do to ourselves here? Why the meandering ?

well apologies if i am generalising but in the uk were i reside that is the case. eg when council tax for each resident are reviewed yearly they dont consult us before increasing it , all we get is a letter from the council saying your rate has gone up. and you have no choice you must pay it or go to prison.

i am not saying the governor shouldnt be blamed afterall why should he only get the blame ? bearing in mind the governor sometimes all they do is just get the opinion of experts and consultants and put their signature of the paper without any clue of it. eg iif my system breaks down i get an expert to do it for me and believe he can fix it, if after fixing it he comes and says i have done it, sign here all i will do is sign even thou i havent actually known what he has done.

Lets not trade insults please, but lets critically look at issues as it should be.

axeman85:

why must it be lagos that they must develop ? why dont these developers go to areas like ibafo, ikorodu, sango, abule egba. areas. am not sure if i can remember but i tink in the original post the guy said it was a plot in banana island or island. how many of us here can afford to go and live in such areas where rent are being charged in dollars and pounds. ?  lets be realistic and put aside sentiments. what has to be done has to be done. for lagos to move forward harsh and difficult decisions has to be made. but at least the tax u guys are paying you can see where the money is going .   we always complain lets learn to appreciate the good little things we can get from fashola while he is there the next person if fashola goes migh just be another ibori.

With the above publication, and concurred with the latest impeachment saga, I know where the money is going!.

axeman85:

@oboma1

if the above said is true then its very bad and its uncalled for by fashola but we all know the issue of politics in nigeria and issues of god father and god son in politics. i am not in support of the afore mentioned by huhuonline. but what i stand on is that tax should be paid and if the government see increasing it is a way of boosting revenue for the state and reducing congestion of houses then so be it . for heavens sake. you stand in your bedroom after taking a shower and your next door neighbour can see your unclothedness just becos of closeness to each other. nonsesnse and still new buildings are springing up everyday. why wont they be traffic jams and increament in rent from landlords.

I am not against tax, but I am against where the taxes are going to. I am against a situation where a property is bought for N1.6billion, N16million is for approval, and over N400million for development. Development of what?

axeman85:

well apologies if i am generalising but in the uk were i reside that is the case. eg when council tax for each resident are reviewed yearly they dont consult us before increasing it , all we get is a letter from the council saying your rate has gone up. and you have no choice you must pay it or go to prison.

i am not saying the governor shouldnt be blamed afterall why should he only get the blame ? bearing in mind the governor sometimes all they do is just get the opinion of experts and consultants and put their signature of the paper without any clue of it. eg iif my system breaks down i get an expert to do it for me and believe he can fix it, if after fixing it he comes and says i have done it, sign here all i will do is sign even thou i havent actually known what he has done.

My Guy, that is UK, but in Nigeria, even when you don't contribute to tax policies just like in UK, but it is still within limit, and it has human face. Very soon in Lagos, we all shall pay "Atmosphere Tax", and you in London will still say, they pay it in London to control environmental pollution!.

oboma1

as i said earlier in regards to the saga btw tinubu and fashola thats not news in fact it was published on sahara reporters months back i think about may/jun time sha cant remember precisely when. i havent been to lagos or naija in 6years and when i visited in january this year i was facinated with what i saw and i was impressed i visited naija 2more times making it 3times i have been to naija this year. but notwithstanding i keep myself knowledgeable with whats going on in naija via online news and newpapers online which is punch.

lets be honest with ourselves here. in the shor time fashola has been on seat hasnt good improvement been done in lagos state. ? personally i believe he has done tremendously well and still doing so. lets appreciate him for the good things he has done and still doing.

i understand your point of view here. but in uk for example the fee you pay to the council depends on the type of building you are constructing. bearng in mind the building these companies are developing, is above the reach of the avergae nigerians as they sell or rent for million of naira, $$ and £££. am sure for them to be quoted that figure then it must have depended on the type of developments they want to sink in that area.

I think we should start with house prices in Lagos. They need to correct themselves, the current property and land prices are not real. There is no way that a piece of land should cost 1.6Bn.

@oboma1

you will be suprised with the amount of tax people or chages we pay here, we have council tax, work tax, congestion charge, e.t.c.

the tax charged is not withn limit oooooo. dont even think so. i have dealt with people on benefits whos total bnfts he/she gets from the government is £240/month and out of that they are to pay their bills, food, and pay council tax which is around £60 upwards.