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Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 11:25am On Mar 24, 2017
Good day all,

Pls I need to advice from experienced house owners or legal minds .

We just purchased a property that has 4flats, three of the tenants moved out leaving one who has refused to move.

On further investigation we realised he wasn't the original tenant, he was squatting with the original tenant who moved out of the country .

We have explained to him but has refused saying he want to renew the tenancy and be paying rent.

He has gone to get a letter from lagos state mediation centre . Which has forced us to get lawyer to start legal proceedings.

Considering he is subletting, and was not the original tenant should we going thru the court?

Bottom line is how do we get this tenant out?

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by mymadam(m): 11:32am On Mar 24, 2017
"Which has forced us to get lawyer to start legal proceedings."

Right way to go.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 12:20pm On Mar 24, 2017
mymadam:
"Which has forced us to get lawyer to start legal proceedings."

Right way to go.

Tnk u

It's such a waste of money especially wen is wants even the main tenant .

Is subletting not illegal?

Can he be penalised for it?

Does tenancy law even cover subletting/squatters,
Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Julivas(m): 4:36pm On Mar 24, 2017
bebe2:


Tnk u

It's such a waste of money especially wen is wants even the main tenant .

Is subletting not illegal?

Can he be penalised for it?

Does tenancy law even cover subletting/squatters,
You are already doing it the right way but after letting him know that you are not interested in collecting another rent from, what is his response?

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 5:01pm On Mar 24, 2017
Julivas:

You are already doing it the right way but after letting him know that you are not interested in collecting another rent from, what is his response?

He said he can't leave, he asked me where do I expect him to get 500k that he will used to secure another property? shocked. That he has a wife and 2 young children children and. Any afford to move.

The guy is crazy ooo

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Julivas(m): 5:12pm On Mar 24, 2017
bebe2:


He said he can't leave, he asked me where do I expect him to get 500k that he will used to secure another property? shocked. That he has a wife and 2 young children children and. Any afford to move.

The guy is crazy ooo

Alright.
Maybe the economic is getting at him. I think you can negotiate with him that within so so period he should find a place for himself and family and that after that period of grace given to him, he stills remain there that you will get him arrested. Besides, where is the real occupier who sublet it to him?

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Badgers14: 7:14pm On Mar 24, 2017
bebe2:


He said he can't leave, he asked me where do I expect him to get 500k that he will used to secure another property? shocked. That he has a wife and 2 young children children and. Any afford to move.

The guy is crazy ooo


But dude is a squatter though..

His name is not even in the book. This is actually a none case.

Do you know if you want to be rugged, you could talk to the police and they will drag him out of there. Because he is not your tenant, he doesn't have tenancy agreement.

I wouldn't even reason legal option here because the case is likely to be thrown out it you are going for notice to quit ( at least in a civilized world). The better route would be criminal possession of your property.

For people reading this, if you are planning on sharing flat, make sure your name is included in the tenancy agreement.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Badgers14: 7:16pm On Mar 24, 2017
Don't even mention he is subletting in your court document. Tell the judge you don't know who he is. The original tenant have moved out..

Do you have the copy of the tenancy agreement of the original tenant?

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 8:54pm On Mar 24, 2017
Badgers14:


But dude is a squatter though..

His name is not even in the book. This is actually a none case.

Do you know if you want to be rugged, you could talk to the police and they will drag him out of there. Because he is not your tenant, he doesn't have tenancy agreement.

I wouldn't even reason legal option here because the case is likely to be thrown out it you are going for notice to quit ( at least in a civilized world). The better route would be criminal possession of your property.

For people reading this, if you are planning on sharing flat, make sure your name is included in the tenancy agreement.

I have thot of dat ooo, but I think the lawyer want to create work. This guy is a squatter, he has no tenancy agreement.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 8:55pm On Mar 24, 2017
Badgers14:
Don't even mention he is subletting in your court document. Tell the judge you don't know who he is. The original tenant have moved out..

Do you have the copy of the tenancy agreement of the original tenant?

I think it's with the lawyer.
Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 9:00pm On Mar 24, 2017
Julivas:

Alright.
Maybe the economic is getting at him. I think you can negotiate with him that within so so period he should find a place for himself and family and that after that period of grace given to him, he stills remain there that you will get him arrested. Besides, where is the real occupier who sublet it to him?

The real occupier had moved to PH or so,

We are thinking of giving him till April ending,
Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Julivas(m): 9:34pm On Mar 24, 2017
bebe2:


The real occupier had moved to PH or so,

We are thinking of giving him till April ending,
Thank you very much for that kind gesture. I pray he won't misuse it. Once again, thanks.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Nobody: 1:18pm On Mar 25, 2017
Remove the windows and roof and act like you are renovating. That's the best trick landlords over here use.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 3:54pm On Mar 25, 2017
Dreamwaker:
Remove the windows and roof and act like you are renovating. That's the best trick landlords over here use.

shocked shocked

Is dat legal? cheesy

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by marylandcakes: 9:44pm On Mar 25, 2017
Dreamwaker:
Remove the windows and roof and act like you are renovating. That's the best trick landlords over here use.

Don't do this a landlord got arrested in Benin city for doing that.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by bebe2(f): 12:45am On Mar 27, 2017
marylandcakes:


Don't do this a landlord got arrested in Benin city for doing that.

It's quiet funny thou grin

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Daboomb: 3:17am On Mar 27, 2017
Tenants have right, so do House owners.
If you are not a bonafide tenant, you cant enjoy the "rights" of a tenant, under the law.

So, the crux of the matter is for you to establish that he is NOT a Tenant in that premises but rather he is Trespassing on your property.


*get the original tenancy agreement of the tenant he is squatting with, from the Lawyer (I dont trust that your Lawyer one bit!).
*get the real tenant to "communicate with you" in writing that the has vacated the residence. You can send him a chat message asking if he is still interested in the house but you must phrase it in a way that will make him to say NO.
For example, tell him their are some charges that he needs to pay (Security charge, Maintenance charges, e.t.c that amounts to #100K), and you want to know if he should be billed, on the assumption that he is still holding unto the place!
grin grin

I am sure he will quickly tell you that he is no longer responsible for the place!
undecided grin

Armed with that "exchange of communication", you can just reply him that since he has vacated the place, you will no longer demand such money from him nor establish further communication with him and just wish him well in his new abode.

Now, go back to the "Squatter" and let him know that he is TRESPASSING on your property.
Dont even say he is squatting at all.

Give him two days to disappear (ofc, he wont).
Report a case of "Trespassing on private property" to the Police and charge him to court.
In the meantime, you have the right to recover your property as the law does not protect anyone committing an offence.
Double Lock the place and let him go and bring Police (The same Police that you have reported him to, for Trespassing!)

As for the Mediation Center, simply tell them you dont know him and that you have reported him to the Police for trespassing on your property.
Since he is the one that would be claiming he is your Tenant, the onus is on him to provide evidence of a tenancy contract between YOu and HIM
.

Now, (if you want to be nice...l am not) he can be advised to leave the place, with a "written undertaking" in place, in a week or two weeks time (Its not your business if he sleeps under the bridge, he is obviously a trouble maker and such people dont deserve any pity).
Dont agree to more than two weeks, be firm on this because after that length of time, you are going to "dash him" some "Squatter Rights" which you dont want to.

On the contrary, he might prove stubborn:
Charge his Trespass case to court .. while he will charge you to court for violating his "tenancy rights", as a Landlord!
Your Lawyer will insist, at the Mediation Centre, that there is an ongoing "Criminal case" on the matter and as such, it super-ceeds a "Civil case" of Tenancy.
A Criminal case must finish before the civil part/matter can be heard! grin grin

So, he gets docked for trespassing..... and You win that case because you did not rent the place to him nor did you have any rent Contract with him.

His defence will be that "he sublet the place" from the previous Tenant.
You will debunk that by saying the previous tenant has vacated the place and you dont know who he is andneither are you a party to subletting, which is unlawful and illegal.
(That "written communication" you established with the bonafide tenant, is your proof)

Apart from the fact that subletting is illegal, you actually dont know him. Finito.
He could be fined or jailed for Trespassing. I dont give a f*ck!

The Civil case will die a natural death, using the same arguments above (ofc, he wont even show face again.)

You see why l said l dont trust that your Lawyer?
he should have laid all these down on the table for you.

Now, can l have my "pay" for this brief, please? l wrote it at 3am! grin grin

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Daboomb: 3:23am On Mar 27, 2017
Dreamwaker:
Remove the windows and roof and act like you are renovating. That's the best trick landlords over here use.

Dont do this, you will not like yourself.
Law is a Process and you need to go through the motions, as much as you may not like it.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Daboomb: 3:25am On Mar 27, 2017
bebe2:


I think it's with the lawyer.

Verify and confirm this.
Not withstanding, you are still the owner of your house.
Get the former occupier to commit to having left...in writing.
Very germane.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Daboomb: 3:27am On Mar 27, 2017
bebe2:


He said he can't leave, he asked me where do I expect him to get 500k that he will used to secure another property? shocked. That he has a wife and 2 young children children and. Any afford to move.

The guy is crazy ooo


Tell the Ediat to go back to his village if he cant afford Lagos rents.
IF he cant get 500K, then he does not deserve to leave in a 3-bed Flat.
His mates are managing a single room in Okokomaiko or Mushin or Bariga or Makoko slums.


The fact that he asked that silly question, makes me want to put him out on the street ASAP.
He is certainly a troublesome person.
time to teach him a lesson.

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by Bisjosh(f): 7:16am On Mar 27, 2017
Op you even get time.

I had to force my own tenant out. He destroyed windows and the doors. I no care as long as his silly ass is out.

Yours is not the real tenant so no case. No one should bring sentiments nor emotions into this. Instead of him to plead with you he has the effontry to say rubbish.

Get police, show them the tenancy agreeement (him name no dey there) and they will throw him out.

I know their tribe . They always feel entitled. ..smh

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by money121(m): 7:17am On Mar 27, 2017
Hmmm this one Weak Me oooo..
cry cry
The Country is very hard for some people... 500k no be joke..
But he should at least cut his cloth according to his size instead of paying another house rent he should just move out and Look for cheaper Area...
May Almighty God help him...


For Your Roofing Sheet.. Kindly check my signature

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by SIRKAY98(m): 7:18am On Mar 27, 2017
Can u hear urself?

U purchased a Property and 1 fool says he Sublets

Koni dafun Father eeeh In the Heavenlies

I will start renovation immediately Remove all Roof and Windows

Let him go and settle with the intial owner of the house

Thets d real idiot that duped them
Atleadt b4 u sell ur property u should hv informed ur tenants
Whats now my own stress

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by oluseyiforjesus(m): 7:20am On Mar 27, 2017
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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by jsaak: 7:21am On Mar 27, 2017
Question is, has he ever paid you rent (Issued you his cheque or paid into your account) on behalf of the real tenant? This could qualify him as your bonafide tenant!

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by babyfaceafrica: 7:21am On Mar 27, 2017
Your lawyer won chop money..how can someone who is squaring have any case?....oga give him one month and tekk him you want to renovate your house..then on Sunday when everyone is around,get carpenters to remove the windows and doors and roofs....he has no case,simply because he isnot the original owner....that your lawyer self!!!!

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by helphelp: 7:22am On Mar 27, 2017
Very annoying and difficult to deal with...
Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by dhardline(m): 7:22am On Mar 27, 2017
Daboomb:
Tenants have right, so do House owners.
If you are not a bonafide tenant, you cant enjoy the "rights" of a tenant, under the law.

So, the crux of the matter is for you to establish that he is NOT a Tenant in that premises but rather he is Trespassing on your property.


*get the original tenancy agreement of the tenant he is squatting with, from the Lawyer (I dont trust that your Lawyer one bit!).
*get the real tenant to "communicate with you" in writing that the has vacated the residence. You can send him a chat message asking if he is still interested in the house but you must phrase it in a way that will make him to say NO.
For example, tell him their are some charges that he needs to pay (Security charge, Maintenance charges, e.t.c that amounts to #100K), and you want to know if he should be billed, on the assumption that he is still holding unto the place!
grin grin

I am sure he will quickly tell you that he is no longer responsible for the place!
undecided grin

Armed with that "exchange of communication", you can just reply him that since he has vacated the place, you will no longer demand such money from him nor establish further communication with him and just wish him well in his new abode.

Now, go back to the "Squatter" and let him know that he is TRESPASSING on your property.
Dont even say he is squatting at all.

Give him two days to disappear (ofc, he wont).
Report a case of "Trespassing on private property" to the Police and charge him to court.
In the meantime, you have the right to recover your property as the law does not protect anyone committing an offence.
Double Lock the place and let him go and bring Police (The same Police that you have reported him to, for Trespassing!)

As for the Mediation Center, simply tell them you dont know him and that you have reported him to the Police for trespassing on your property.
Since he is the one that would be claiming he is your Tenant, the onus is on him to provide evidence of a tenancy contract between YOu and HIM
.

Now, (if you want to be nice...l am not) he can be advised to leave the place, with a "written undertaking" in place, in a week or two weeks time (Its not your business if he sleeps under the bridge, he is obviously a trouble maker and such people dont deserve any pity).
Dont agree to more than two weeks, be firm on this because after that length of time, you are going to "dash him" some "Squatter Rights" which you dont want to.

On the contrary, he might prove stubborn:
Charge his Trespass case to court .. while he will charge you to court for violating his "tenancy rights", as a Landlord!
Your Lawyer will insist, at the Mediation Centre, that there is an ongoing "Criminal case" on the matter and as such, it super-ceeds a "Civil case" of Tenancy.
A Criminal case must finish before the civil part/matter can be heard! grin grin

So, he gets docked for trespassing..... and You win that case because you did not rent the place to him nor did you have any rent Contract with him.

His defence will be that "he sublet the place" from the previous Tenant.
You will debunk that by saying the previous tenant has vacated the place and you dont know who he is andneither are you a party to subletting, which is unlawful and illegal.
(That "written communication" you established with the bonafide tenant, is your proof)

Apart from the fact that subletting is illegal, you actually dont know him. Finito.
He could be fined or jailed for Trespassing. I dont give a f*ck!

The Civil case will die a natural death, using the same arguments above (ofc, he wont even show face again.)

You see why l said l dont trust that your Lawyer?
he should have laid all these down on the table for you.

Now, can l have my "pay" for this brief, please? l wrote it at 3am! grin grin

Quoting this for future reference grin grin grin. You are good smiley

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by mhiztaNexy(m): 7:23am On Mar 27, 2017
lol
Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by sisisioge: 7:23am On Mar 27, 2017
Yes o, the court! Otherwise, the eddioot will turn out to be the winner.

Thank God you have a lawyer handling it. That kind of person shouldn't be taken on as a tenant even if he's gonna pay double! They are too troublesome for anyone's good. The law protects tenants a lot, although this one isn't a direct tenant. It all depends on what was contained in the original agreement.

Modified:

Daboom has said it all, that your lawyer no no book o grin

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Re: Sublet/squatting Tenants Is Refusing To Move. by yaqq: 7:24am On Mar 27, 2017
get in touch with the real owner of the apartment, i.e the person who sublets to him, it's a very simple case, just get the police n claim u don't have records of him on the said property, n moreover u want to fix the house or demolish it! hin go park

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