Long ago in the city of Baghdad, there was a Muslim empire. On one side of the River Tigris were the royal palaces and on the other side was the city. The Muslims were gathered in the Royal Palace when an athiest approached them. He said to them, ‘I don’t believe in God, there cannot be a God, you cannot hear Him or see Him, you’re wasting your time! Bring me your best debator and I will debate this issue with him.’
The best debator at the time was Imam Abu Hanifah Rahimullah. A messenger from amongst the Muslims was sent over the River Tigris to the city, where Abu Hanifah Rahimullah was, in order to tell him about the athiest who was awaiting him. On crossing the River Tigris, the messenger conveyed the message to Abu Hanifah Rahimullah saying, ‘Oh Abu Hanifah, an athiest is waiting for you, to debate you, please come!’ Abu Hanifah Rahimullah told the messeneger that he would be on his way.

The messenger went over the River Tigris once again and to the Royal Palaces, where everyone including the athiest awaited the arrival of Abu Hanifah Rahimullah. It was sunset at the time and one hour had passed, but Abu Hanifah Rahimullah still hadn’t arrived. Another hour had passed, but still there was no sign of him. The Muslims started to become tense and worried about his late arrival. They did not want the athiest to think that they were too scared to debate him, yet they did not want to take up the challenge themselves as Abu Hanifah Rahimullah was the best of Debators from amongst the Muslims. Another hour passed, and suddenly the athiest started laughing and said, ‘ Your best debator is too scared! He knows he’s wrong, he is too frightened to come and debate with me. I gurantee he will not turn up today.’
The Muslims increased in apprehension and eventually it had passed midnight, and the athiest had a smile on his face. The clock ticked on, and finally Abu Hanifah Rahimullah had arrived. The Muslims inquired about his lateness and remarked, ‘Oh Abu Hanifah, a messenger sent for you hours ago, and you arrive now, explain your lateness to us.’

Abu Hanifah Rahimullah apologises for his lateness and begins to explain, while the atheist listens to his story.
‘Once the messenger delivered the message to me, I began to make my way to the River Tigris, and on reaching the river bank I realised there was no boat, in order to cross the river. It was getting dark, and I looked around, there was no boat anywhere nor was there a navigator or a sailor in order for me to cross the river to get to the Royal Palaces. I continued to look around for a boat, as I did not want the athiest to think I was running away and did not want to debate with him.

I was standing on the river bank looking for a navigator or a boat when something caught my attention in the middle of the river. I looked forward, and to my amazement I saw planks of wood rising to the surface from the sea bed. I was shocked, amazed, I couldn’t believe what I saw seeing. Ready made planks of wood were rising up to the surface and joining together. They were all the same width and length, I was astounded at what I saw.

I continued to look into the middle of the river, and then I saw nails coming up from the sea floor. They positioned themselves onto the boat and held the planks together, without them being banged. I stood in amazement and thought to myself, ‘Oh Allah, how can this happen, planks of wood rising to the surface by itself, and then nails positioning themselves onto the boat without being banged?’ I could not undertsand what was happening before my eyes.’

The athiest meanwhile was listening with a smile on his face. Abu Hanifah Rahimullah continued, ‘I was still standing on the river bank watching these planks of wood join together with nails. I could see water seeping through the gaps in the wood, and suddenly I saw a sealant appear from the river and it began sealing the gaps without someone having poured it, again I thought, ‘Ya Allah, how is this possible, how can sealant appear and seal the gaps without someone having poured it, and nails appear without someone having banged them.’ I looked closer and I could see a boat forming before my eyes, I stood in amazement and was filled with shock. All of a sudden a sail appeared and I thought to myself, ‘How is this happening, a boat has appeared before my eyes by itself, planks of wood, nails, sealant and now a sail, but how can I use this boat in order to cross the river to the Royal Palaces?’ I stood staring in wonderment and suddenly the boat began to move. It came towards me against the current. It stood floating beside me while I was on the river bank, as if telling me to embark onto it. I went on the boat and yet again it began to move. There was no navigator or sailor on the boat, and the boat began to travel towards the direction of the royal palaces, without anyone having programmed it as to where to go. I could not understand what was happening, and how this boat had formed and was taking me to my destination against the flow of water. The boat eventually reached the other side of the River Tigris and I disembarked. I turned around and the boat had disappeared, and that is why I am late.’

At this moment, the athiest brust out laughing and remarked, ‘Oh Abu Hanifah, I heard that you were the best debator from amongst the Muslims, I heard that you were the wisest, the most knowledgable from amongst your people. From seeing you today, I can say that you show none of these qualities. You speak of a boat appearing from nowhere, without someone having built it. Nails positioning themselves without someone having banged them, sealant being poured without someone having poured it, and the boat taking you to your destination without a navigator against the tide, your taking childish, your talking rediculous, I swear I do not belive a word of it!’
Abu Hanifah Rahimullah turned to the athiest and replied, ‘You don’t believe a word of it? You dont believe that nails can appear by themselves? You dont believe sealant can be poured by itself? You dont believe that a boat can move without a navigator, hence you don’t believe that a boat can appear without a boat maker?’
The athiest remarked defiantly, ‘Yes I dont believe a word of it!’

Abu Hanifah Rahimullah replied, ‘If you cannot believe that a boat came into being without a boat maker, than this is only a boat, how can you believe that the whole world, the universe, the stars, the oceans, and the planets came into being without a creator?

The athiest astonished at his reply got up and fled.


Transcribed from a lecture delivered by Shaykh Ahmad Ali.

Abu-whatever was indeed an iliiterate. . .well his ignorance is excused, back then science wasn't at its best.

I couldn't help smiling at your meaningless post.

muhsin are you suprised at tudor. An athiest is person that has vowed to bleive in anything but God

Am not really surprised, the_seeker. I was just smiling at the sheer stupidity the lady parades there.

You and your abu- douchebag are indeed daft.

Haven't you seen logs of wood/rocks shaped like boats or human faces by different forces of nature?

Who created those, your father?

I am not use to abusing or being abused. Please take not.

If you don't agree with what I said why bother yourself to rant reply?

Thanks

muhsin:

I am not use to abusing or being abused. Please take not.

Yeah rite!

muhsin:

Am not really surprised, the_seeker. I was just smiling at the sheer stupidity the lady parades there.

lying-arsse Mor.on!

@Tudor: « #1 on: Yesterday at 06:43:53 PM »  

Abu-whatever  was indeed an iliiterate. . .

yet his argument is still relevant. was he an illiterate in his time? since you are a yoruba man, sorry woman, those who have phd [linguists] in yoruba language must be illiterates, too, beause they are not engineers, medcal doctors, lawyers, etc? what do you say?

well his ignorance is excused, back then science wasn't at its best.

how ignorance is a phd holder of yoruba language? we should not forget that aworerin was simply a yoruba language magazine, almost made compulsory in my time for high school students. i am then sure by tudor's argument that high school students studying materials borne out of illiterate hands or language are illiterates, too.
finally, is scence at its best now? could there be an advancement in science tomorrow, that can render the science of today so "illiterate", definitely the science of say 100 years ago must be so old, now?

you are not being taking seriously by the muslims because your argument is not always sound. is a boat just a boat without a boat maker, even now; did the boat come into an existence without a maker who had the concept and made it happen?

@Tudor: « #5 on: Today at 02:01:06 PM »

You and your abu- douchebag are indeed daft.

if you are trying to pass for a woman, this very line betrays your shallow effort.

Haven't you seen logs of wood/rocks shaped like boats or human faces by different forces of nature?

the shaped like boats rocks, i hope you dont try to travel in it? Allah says in the Quran; Allahu Qallaqa kum, Allahu taa maalun (Allah is your Creator and the Creator of that you create). The logs of wood, the rocks, or the human faces by all the different forces of nature, according to you, in my own understanding, when you think hard and get to "Who, What" is making it happens, you will finally find its Maker (Allah the AlmightyWho has no comparison).

Who created those, your father?

The Creator is Allah!

olabowale:

@Tudor: « #5 on: Today at 02:01:06 PM »  if you are trying to pass for a woman, this very line betrays your shallow effort.

I don't need to prove my gender to you, your irrelevant.

the shaped like boats rocks, i hope you dont try to travel in it? Allah says in the Quran; Allahu Qallaqa kum, Allahu taa maalun (Allah is your Creator and the Creator of that you create). The logs of wood, the rocks, or the human faces by all the different forces of nature, according to you, in my own understanding, when you think hard and get to "Who, What" is making it happens, you will finally find its Maker (Allah the AlmightyWho has no comparison).

The Creator is Allah!

Your EVIDENCE allah created them is what?

@Tudor, of course am irrelevant, pretty woman. lol; thank God there are other women different from you who think am relevant!

And my proof that Allah created them are many; neither you nor I created them! What is nature? Can it creates, carves without ability to create, or carve? No! The Master of nature (the collage of things in existence, including seen and unseen things) is Allah the UNSEEN. Can pure water errodes a rock? no.

Does saying one parades stupidity mean abuse? I wonder.

Had I knew I would not do that, for I see no point. I am sane.

And, you either debunk the OP, which I know you can't, or "vanish".

Period. Simple.

olabowale:

@Tudor, of course am irrelevant, pretty woman. lol; thank God there are other women different from you who think am relevant!

And my proof that Allah created them are many; neither you nor I created them! What is nature? Can it creates, carves without ability to create, or carve? No! The Master of nature (the collage of things in existence, including seen and unseen things) is Allah the UNSEEN. Can pure water errodes a rock? no.

Again I ask for EVIDENCE and all you bring are empty claims?

What is your proof Allah created the boat rocks?

muhsin:

Does saying one parades stupidity mean abuse? I wonder.

Had I knew I would not do that, for I see no point. I am sane.

Don't dish it if you can't receive it.

And, you either debunk the OP, which I know you can't, or "vanish".
Period. Simple.

Have I not showed you the stupiidity of you and abu-mumu?

Zuma rock in ABJ which some people say looks like a human face, who drew the face on it?

nice story bro one thing atheists can't answer is THE ORIGIN of the world and how did it come to be

Tudór:

Don't dish it if you can't receive it. Have I not showed you the stupiidity of you and abu-mumu?

I reiterate: am not an insane.

Tudór:

Zuma rock in ABJ which some people say looks like a human face, who drew the face on it?

Have you really read the OP?  

muhsin:

I reiterate: am not an insane.

Dude, the above quote sounds INSANE!

Have you really read the OP?  

Only an illiterate wouldn't see the connection between my question and the rubbish posted by the o.p. . . It shows you didn't even understand the article you posted. Just copy and paste.

Typical isn't it? If you spent more time going to a proper school rather than the almajiri school you'd probably know better.

lady tudor [lol], who created you, or at least how did the female egg and the male sperm get to form you in mommy's tommy, when she and dad were once upon a time, just children, even they did not exist, because grandparents where just babies themselves, and they did not even exist, before?

olabowale:

lady tudor [lol], who created you, or at least how did the female egg and the male spermatozoa get to form you in mommy's tommy, when she and dad were once upon a time, just children, even they did not exist, because grandparents where just babies themselves, and they did not even exist, before?

What is the meaning of this?

I ask for your EVIDENCE allah carved the face on zuma rock and you're ranting aimlessly. . .chai!

let me ask you lady Tudor, who created the roacks, stones, etc, if its not Allah? You are stuck with only Zuma, ignoring all the other rocks, and stones on earth? Chai!

olabowale:

let me ask you lady Tudor, who created the roacks, stones, etc, if its not Allah? You are stuck with only Zuma, ignoring all the other rocks, and stones on earth? Chai!

This is getting embarrassing.

And YOUR EVIDENCE allah created it IS WHAT?

Tudór:

Only an illiterate wouldn't see the connection between my question and the rubbish posted by the o.p. . . It shows you didn't even understand the article you posted. Just copy and paste.

Typical isn't it? If you spent more time going to a proper school rather than the almajiri school you'd probably know better.

Whenever it involves Creator and creation this misguided lady is phenomenally blind to reason. And everyone could notice this. Pity.

Noise, insult, abuse, etc is what she's best at. Apparently.

muhsin:

Whenever it involves Creator and creation this misguided lady is phenomenally blind to reason. And everyone could notice this. Pity.

HA! Reason indeed. . .what a misnomer.

Go back to school abeg.

Tudór:

Go back to school abeg.

Its you who should do that, for obviously you lack anything like literacy.

BTW, enough of your ignorance. I "rest" my case.

muhsin:

Its you who should do that, for obviously you lack anything like literacy.

BTW, enough of your ignorance. I "rest" my case.

Illiterate. . . Who designed the human face on Zuma rock, eh?

@tudor: « #21 on: Today at 07:16:34 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 03:28:13 AM
let me ask you lady Tudor, who created the roacks, stones, etc, if its not Allah? You are stuck with only Zuma, ignoring all the other rocks, and stones on earth? Chai!

This is getting embarrassing.
And YOUR EVIDENCE allah created it IS WHAT?

of the bolded, enough of your ignortance, mister. if the people are making fool of you, lying to you by calling you a woman, am not ashamed to call you what you are, man! you dont even know which brain you are using to think, big or the other, or you buried the big one in the sand.

do you think you have came out of nothing? are you nothing, or the people whose bloods flow in your veins you are going to tell us came out and therefore nothing? they will be happy to hear thatr from you, so that they can quickly turn you out, divorce you from the family and demand that you return their names to them. then as a lonely man, you will become an illegitimate man (i hope you know that it is your stupidity that am attacking here, and nothing else, hopefully your brain can take the meaning; you came out of nothingness?!), with no lineage, whatsoever! even the monkeys you claim that you came from have defined lineage, and specie identity!

whatever you think you came out of, do you think it is not created? What is creation but make? everything made has a maker? Who is your Maker, Tudor? The earth you reside on, did you think it just happen to occur without its Master Producer? You will be hungry soon; what you will eat, the plants and animals of that meal, do you think they have no Master Producer?

@Tudor

What would you regard as a good evidence for the existence of God?

IbrahimB:

@Tudor

What would you regard as a good evidence for the existence of God?

Empirica Evidence that shows without a doubt Allah is the creator. . . And it should be testable/verifiable

have you GOT IT?

olabowale:

@tudor: « #21 on: Today at 07:16:34 AM »  of the bolded, enough of your ignortance, mister. if the people are making fool of you, lying to you by calling you a woman, am not ashamed to call you what you are, man! you dont even know which brain you are using to think, big or the other, or you buried the big one in the sand.

do you think you have came out of nothing? are you nothing, or the people whose bloods flow in your veins you are going to tell us came out and therefore nothing? they will be happy to hear thatr from you, so that they can quickly turn you out, divorce you from the family and demand that you return their names to them. then as a lonely man, you will become an illegitimate man (i hope you know that it is your stupidity that am attacking here, and nothing else, hopefully your brain can take the meaning; you came out of nothingness?!), with no lineage, whatsoever! even the monkeys you claim that you came from have defined lineage, and specie identity!

What is ALL this rubbish?

whatever you think you came out of, do you think it is not created? What is creation but make? everything made has a maker? Who is your Maker, Tudor? The earth you reside on, did you think it just happen to occur without its Master Producer? You will be hungry soon; what you will eat, the plants and animals of that meal, do you think they have no Master Producer?

bla BLA BLA

What IS YOUR EVIDENCE ALLAH IS THE SO-CALLED 'MASTER PRODUCER'?

Why should i believe allah is my maker? Do you have proof of this?

Tudor, do you know if Oxygen exists and what is the vastness of its existence? Give me dimensions, etc, weight. Then have you seen it before? If you have not seen it, why do you take it that it is in existence except the effect of it that you feel? Give me emperical evidence that Oxygen exists?

olabowale:

Tudor, do you know if Oxygen exists and what is the vastness of its existence? Give me dimensions, etc, weight. Then have you seen it before? If you have not seen it, why do you take it that it is in existence except the effect of it that you feel? Give me emperical evidence that Oxygen exists?

Alhaji, every mo.ron knows oxygen can be collected, contained, measured, tested and manipulated in a lab. . .no be today, e don tey!