johnw74:


ha ha, false jw mumbo jumbo

you have shown consistently that you know next to nothing.

Hairyrapunzel:

2 peter 1: 3-4
3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


The passage basically talks about christians through knowing and believing in Jesus Christ we have been given promises which are exceedingly great that we may have a godly life or life filled with godliness having given up our sinful ways. Basically talks about having a close relationship with God, communicating with God and having the holy spirit in us.

There is no place in the bible where they said Jesus would be among the Sharers with human beings
The nature of Jesus is divine and Jesus Christ is God whether you and your 7 men in new York like it or not.

And always quote a verse fully when putting down the verse do not take an excerpt from the verse
When reading a passage read the whole chapter to get the real message rather than taking a phrase from a verse and making a doctrine based on that phrase.

You are being deceitful when quoting a phrase and putting 2 peter 1:4 by the side or are you afraid of quoting the full verse?

There are so many verses that point to Jesus christ as God in the bible
Phil 2:5-11
5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Read the whole chapter in a passage try to get the message it's trying to convey rather than take a phrase from a verse in the passage and make your doctrines based on that phrase.

Hairyrapunzel:


You asked me to explain 2peter1:4 which I did.

Hairyrapunzel
Same Divine nature

Hairyrapunzel

3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The passage basically talks about christians through knowing and believing in Jesus Christ we have been given promises which are exceedingly great that we may have a godly life or life filled with godliness having given up our sinful ways. Basically talks about having a close relationship with God, communicating with God and having the holy spirit in us.

There is no place in the bible where they said Jesus would be among the Sharers with human beings

The nature of Jesus is divine

achorladey:

That ''next to'' is part of something as well. Abi no be so?

achorladey:

This is the New International version. Isn't it? Yes is the answer or you look the other way. If yes is the answer, there is a footnote [a] in Philippians 2:6. Please can you tell us what is written in that footnote.
If you man up to tell us what is written there, Can you now explain why Jesus is not equal with God? Or why you can reach a reasonable conclusion that JWs were correct to have said that Jesus is not equal with God?

Barristter07:



You must be a clown,



With this background, dont forget the reason we are discussing 2 Peter 1:4 is basically because of the word " Divine Nature " which is the center or Key of our discussion regarding the issue of equality as evidenced in the above response of yours.

Now let's examine your explanation and see if it address the key reason stated above.

Barristter07:
You hijack a conversation you are not ready to handle.



You must be a clown, Before I proceed this time around, I need to let you see what led to 2 Pet 1:4, So you could see that the key thing needed in your explanation is what you failed woefully to address

I asked : What exactly do you mean by Nature of God? As at 4:26pm On Jul 02, You replied :

With this background, dont forget the reason we are discussing 2 Peter 1:4 is basically because of the word " Divine Nature " which is the center or Key of our discussion regarding the issue of equality as evidenced in the above response of yours.
Now let's examine your explanation and see if it address the key reason stated above.

at bold, and what is that promise that is exceedingly great according to that 2 Pet 1:4?

the above doesn't address nor answer the main issue.



Sharers of what exactly ?



which nature will Those in 2 Pet 1:4 Partook of ?

xaggar:
which nature will Those in 2 Pet 1:4 Partook of ?



The answer is Divine or Godly nature.

Divine = of or from God (spiritual)
But if you use or say:
Godly then you may imply like mannered with God.

Question is, the subject "nature"

When we talk about nature we could also mean appearance, composition & or action or a combination of the three.

Please don't insult yourselves you are all Christians. Your understandings and faith levels maybe different but you all struggling for the same goal.

(I'm a student of JW's)

achorladey:

This is the New International version. Isn't it? Yes is the answer or you look the other way. If yes is the answer, there is a footnote [a] in Philippians 2:6. Please can you tell us what is written in that footnote.
If you man up to tell us what is written there, Can you now explain why Jesus is not equal with God? Or why you can reach a reasonable conclusion that JWs were correct to have said that Jesus is not equal with God?

Hairyrapunzel:

But there is a criteria for that divine nature.
Be sure about what you want to join

Their 607 bc date as the date Jerusalem was destroyed is wrong. historians and bible scholars say it is 587 bc therefore their 1914 date is questionable

Hairyrapunzel:


The nature of Jesus is divine. Human nature isn't divine. And from that verse you will see a criteria for Christians to partake in the divine nature.
Jesus has no criteria. Jesus is divine

xaggar:


Not bible scholars but secular historians. Both the bible and secular historians agree on the end date of Jewish captivity as 537 BCE in the 1st year of the reign of Cyrus. However, the bible says the Jews captivity shall last 70yrs (2 Chronicles 36:21, 22). If u take 70 yrs from 537 bce you'll arrive at 607 bce (count forward). Secular historians and archeologist were not so accurate (calculations on date of ascendancy of Babylonian kings were full of discrepancy compared to the modern way of dating ascendancy to a throne). I'll opt for the bible's record, since Daniel was an eye witness to these events.

And besides, the bible is inspired by God.

xaggar:
which nature will Those in 2 Pet 1:4 Partook of ?




The answer is Divine or Godly nature.


Divine = of or from God (spiritual)
But if you use or say:
Godly then you may imply like mannered with God.

Question is, the subject "nature"

When we talk about nature we could also mean appearance, composition & or action or a combination of the three.

Barristter07:




Must you keep exposing your ignorance publicly, Criteria or no criteria ... the door is open for Christians to partake in the DIVINE NATURE



partake /pɑːˈteɪk/
verb
1. eat or drink (something).
2. join in (an activity).
3. be characterized by (a quality).

or According to Merriam Webster Dictionary
"


to possess [ or share a certain nature or attribute "

Since it has been established that they will Possess this Divine nature, does that make them equal to God ?

Hairyrapunzel:


You are the ignorant person here. A phrase in 2 peter 1:4 does not disprove Jesus divine nature or Jesus being God.

So many verses in the bible proves Jesus Christ is divine or rather Jesus Christ is God

This happens when you don't know anything about the divinity of Jesus Christ
You have a wrong view and a wrong interpretation of the divine nature of Jesus christ.

Barristter07:



Jesus is divine or not is not the issue here , Since 2Pet 1:4 Proves that Christians will partake ( which means " Possess " ) the divine nature , does that make them Equal with God ?

Hairyrapunzel:


Jesus christ being divine is the issue here
Humans are not divine therefore they are not God

Hairyrapunzel
You and your boss both have different roles at work but you are both human beings
Angels are not in nature God. They don't possess the divine nature.
There is only one true God

Barristter07:


Calm down, You discuss without direction , Shows how ignorant you are.

at 7:54pm on July 02 , You made the statement below .





You assert than Since a Subordinate and his Boss are both Human beings, it means they are equal, Which is Totally Senseless , Because equality is not measured by nature.

You further went ahead to say angels are not equal with God because they don't possess the divine nature.

To test your submission that equality can be proved on the basis of nature, [/u] it was Proved from 2 Pet 1:4 that [b] Christians will Partake ( Possess ) the DIVINE NATURE , Can you now tell us if this means they are equal to God?

Hairyrapunzel:


You misinterpret my argument and attack the misinterpretation lol

A boss and his subordinate are equal as human beings and in their roles they are different. When did I interchange their roles and the fact that they are human beings. Roles vary but both being human beings make them thesame

Barristter07:



@ bold, If a Boss is equal with his Subordinate on the basis of their Human nature , Are you now ready to accept that the Christian's in 1 Pet 2:4 that would possess the divine Nature ARE EQUAL WITH GOD on the basis of Nature ?

Hairyrapunzel:


Just tell me to repeat the phrase after you. Jesus is divine whether you like it or not

Barristter07:


failure to answer the question proves one thing, you have finally realize the basis of equality by nature is flawed. GOD is the head of Christ, in other words Christ is subordinate or under the authority of HIS GOD. 1cor 11:3

Barristter07:


failure to answer the question proves one thing, you have finally realize the basis of equality by nature is flawed. GOD is the head of Christ, in other words Christ is subordinate or under the authority of HIS GOD. 1cor 11:3

Hairyrapunzel:


Answer which question sef. Question that you formulated after misinterpretation of my argument?
Lol. Jesus is divine. Jesus is God.
The divinity of Jesus Christ is what you don't understand which I explained it to you.
Jesus is divine. He is God.

Paul, Peter and Thomas said Jesus Christ is God, Jesus is the I am whether you like it or not.
Like I said when you don't read your bible on your own you tend to misinterpret the bible

Wetin una go talk before ? That is what happen when you hijack a conversation you have no knowledge about ... , the issue been discussed is if Christ is equal with his God or not . and clearly he is NoT, even your attempt to prove equality on the basis of nature Failed woefully . " God is the Head of Christ ' - 1 Corinthians 11:3. Absorb that !

johnw74:


abi be so

it is a very small part of something

I will explain it to you because u r so confused and have very little understanding,
"very little" is part of something too

if you know nothing, then you know nothing

if yo know next to nothing, then you know a very little

of course I was being very generous to you: "you know next to nothing"

Barristter07:


Wetin una go talk before ? That is what happen when you hijack a conversation you have no knowledge about ... , the issue been discussed is if Christ is equal with his God or not . and clearly he is NoT, even your attempt to prove equality on the basis of nature Failed woefully . " God is the Head of Christ ' - 1 Corinthians 11:3. Absorb that !

Barristter07:


Calm down, You discuss without direction , Shows how ignorant you are.

at 7:54pm on July 02 , You made the statement below .





You assert than Since a Subordinate and his Boss are both Human beings, it means they are equal, Which is Totally Senseless , Because equality is not measured by nature.

You further went ahead to say angels are not equal with God because they don't possess the divine nature.

/To test your submission that equality can be proved on the basis of nature, it was Proved from 2 Pet 1:4 that Christians will Partake ( Possess ) the DIVINE NATURE , Can you now tell us if this means they are equal to God?

achorladey:

Now your talking. Wetin you go sey I know before. Hahahahahahahaa

johnw74:


you agree with me now that you know a very little, ok, but it means nothing,

it would mean something if u agreed with God that "Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour"

2Pe_1:11  For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

@underline, The Kingdom that u think u r looking 4 is actually the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
u will never see it, with all your denying of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Mat_10:33  But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Rev_20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.