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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Arsenalholic1: 7:38pm On May 22, 2017
ajl:


Canadians are the best. Lived it and experienced it as a grad students and later in the larger community. They make effort to provide a sense of belonging to everyone. The same can't be said of the USA.
Aswerigad that country is so dope. You hardly differentiate between a native Canadian and nonnatives.

A common term we all used was "our prime minister" and it was cool irrespective of the fact that most of us weren't Canadians grin

You're back in Nigeria?
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by MENELIK1: 7:41pm On May 22, 2017
Xda59:


The Oba title originated from the Edos in case you don't know. The first most telling revelation about Oduduwa's ancestry is from Oduduwa himself a Bini prince and first king of ile ife. He, in his lifetime, reserved a special seat in his Ife palace for his ancestors. The seat remains reserved until this day for the Bini monarch only. No one else, not even the reigning Ooni, or Oronmiyan (Alaafin) in Oyo, or any of the Obalades of Yorubaland can sit on the seat. So, if Bini is not the wellspring of Ife, why is it that no member of the Alaafin, or Ife Ooni dynasties (or siblings), can use the seat?

Besides, the most sacred name for Ife is Uhe a (non-Yoruba), deep and strong Bini word, meaning virgin or vagina depending on how it is pronounced, and is interpreted in myth as innocence, the birth canal, or the source of life. Also, no major Ifa ritual or ceremony in Ife even now is considered authentic, blessed by or acceptable to the gods and ancestors, without the presence and involvement of relevant Bini traditional faith custodians. The dress culture of Ife chiefs and priests is from Bini court.


I challenged you sir, spell the word "OBA" with benin alphabets. The day I saw comments of Yorubas insulting Azikiwe on Nairaland was when I knew the Osus have bitten more than they can chew, I think it is the turn of the Binis, what they call great that is less than a quarter of Ibadan to receive their bashing. Bring it on, you will get more than what you deserve.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Nobody: 7:59pm On May 22, 2017
CONFAMA:


Exactly, edo people bear yoruba names...

Edo people don't bear Yoruba names.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Nobody: 8:00pm On May 22, 2017
[quote author=MENELIK1 post=56776547]

I challenged you sir, spell the word "OBA" with benin alphabets. The day I saw comments of Yorubas insulting Azikiwe on Nairaland was when I knew the Osus have bitten more than they can chew, I think it is the turn of the Binis, what they call great that is less than a quarter of Ibadan to receive their bashing. Bring it on, you will get more than what you deserve.[/quote



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The story of the relationship between the people known as the EDOS and the
YORUBAS have been discussed in different format on many occasions. For many
years, the Obas of Benin and the Oonis of Ife have maintained their silence,
leaving academicians and politicians to argue it out among themselves. But
for the first time in the history of these two ruling houses, they
have started talking about the history of the relationship between the
two traditional rulers. From Prince Edun Akenzuas speech. you can hear the
traditional rulers say it as they know it. Omo n' Oba n' Edo, Uku
Akpolokpolo, Oba
Erediuwa's recently published book have again restated what most scholars
have been
trying to say all these years.
The publication of the speech and this new book would help most researchers
in
understanding the fact that, there are two oral traditions about the man
called the
ODUDUWA OF ILE-IFE. Both traditions exists in theYoruba land and Edo land. A
good
examination will show some similarities and dissimilarities. But
unfortunately, most
Yoruba writers who have been in the fore front of writing about this
subject, tended to do
it as if no other tradition existed. Whlie many have been looking for the
track left behind
by Oduduwa's soldiers, as they marched to conquer the EDOS, some have merely
described the EDOS as sub-branch of the Yoruba ethinic group. The
Edo-speaking people
rejects both positions. They have consistently argued that the man ODUDUWA
was no
other person than Prince EKALADERHAN, the runaway son of OGISO OWODO of
IGODOMIGIDO. OWODO was the last ruler with the title of OGISO before the
advent
of the present dynasty in Benin. It looks as if it is necessary now to
recount some of the
tales on how Ekaladerhan ended up at UHE ( ILE-IFE). Ekaladerhan had been
falsely
accused by Queen Esagho as being responsible for the inabilitiy of his
father's wife to bear
other male children. Queen Esagho had bribed or intimidated others who went
to the
oraclist with her into silence. The oracle had actually declared Queen
Esagho as the culprit
and demanded that she should be killed. But some of the executioners who
knew the truth,
spared Ekaladerhan in the jungle and advised him to run for his life.
Ekaladerhan ran,
rested at Ughoton for some time and then moved westwards to a place the
Edo-speaking
world call UHE (Ile-Ife). The truth about what the oracle decreed came out
later. Queen
Esagho was executed but Ogiso Owodo died childless, regreting what he did to
his only
son and heir until the end. The fact Ekaladerhan existed is shown to this
day when an Edo
man, especially those living near and around Benin City, declare an
inclement weather or a
very dull day, "EKALADERHAN'S DAY." For it said that when Ekaladerhan was to
being taken to the forest for execution, the Edos were filled with mourning
and the day
was very dull. Therefore any dul day is called Ekaladerhan's day.

But of all yoruba academicians, only one of them came close to unearthing
the personality
of the man, called the ODUDUWA of Yoruba land.
He wrote:

"From what we are able to gather from research work on the early
history of the Yoruba, we learn that the personage who has been given the
the name ODUDUWA was the powerful leader whom the nucleus of a strand of the
present Yoruba race migrated into this land from their original
home........It is not certain what his original name was; but it could not
have been Oduduwa.......But during the course of history, his figure has
become wrapped in legend to the extent that we can now dimly discern the
concrete outlines of the original.......
We learn from oral traditions that when Oduduwa arrived in Ile-Ife, there
was already a community of aboriginal people under the headship of ORELUERE"

The writer was Rev. Professor Bolaji Idowu, former head of the Department of
Religious Studies, University of Ibadan, Nigeria AND fomer head of the
Methodist Mission in Nigeria in his book, OLODUMARE.

The Edo people have always argued, that Ekaladerhan changed his name to what
is known today as Oduduwa for security reasons. He has just escaped
execution at the hands of his own people by God's providence. In Benin City
and all over
Edo-speaking world of today, ODUWA-path to progress, is a very active word.
if you add
the following prefix of IZ, ID, you have the following names-IDODUWA,
IZODUWA-all active Edo names. Then you also have OGHODUWA/OGHODUA-an
attribute or the name of the almighty God, the creator of the universe or
IGHODUWA-I saw the path of progress. OKODUWA is a very active names among
the Esans (Ishan)
And depending on which dialect of the Edo group you are translating from, it
could mean (a) Idoduwa-I have bought /missed the path of progress. (b)
Izoduwa-I have chosen the path of progress. When you add all of the above,
including Bolaji Idowu quotation, to the the following statements credited
to the Yoruba tradition about Oduduwa:
a) The man Oduduwa trekked form Mecca or somewhere from the Middlle East in
90 days ( North-East)
(This is an impossible feat, but Igodomigodo-ancient Benin City is East of
Uhe-modern Ile-Ife)
b) He stoped only once to rest at OGHO modern Owo town in Ondo state of
Nigeria
( Ogho/Owo is a half way house for a man running away from some pursuers
from Benin City. It is about 70 miles from Benin City and almost the same
distance to Ile-Ife. Owo was on the fringe of the ancient Benin Kingdom. A
run away Benin prince will certainly keep moving until he gets to a place
where his identity can not be revealed. Ogho is the Edo name for the city.
And Owo man does not call himself the son of Owo but OGHO. Owo was part and
parcel of the ancient Benin/Edo Empire. The legendary ASORO of the Benin
Massacre of
1897 was an Owo crown prince )
c) Oduduwa came from the sky in a chain ladder
OGISO means king from or of the sky in Benin City.
(Ogiso was the title of Ekaladerhan's father-Ogiso Owodo of Igodomigodo It
is
undestandable for Ekaladerhan would tell the people he met at Uhe, that he
came from the
sky since that was what OGISO meant .
d) And other land marks in Benin City about the man Ekaladerhan
e) Oduduwa is the ancestor of the Yoruba race.
What happened to ORELUERE, the leader of the aboriginal community that was
at Uhe/Ile Ife? Did Oduduwa come to Ile-Ife alone? If not, what happened to
his followers? What happened to the aboriginal community at Ile-Ife? Which
of these
names sounds yoruba (ANAGO)-Oreluere or Oduduwa
f) According to the Oni of Ife, Oranyan/Oronmiyan came to Benin in about
1190's AD.
This means that ODUDUWA came from the sky about 1100 AD. Is the Oni Ife
saying the
yoruba race began in the 1100's AD?. Yoruba archeological history does not
support such
suggestion. It also mean that Ile-Ife did not have a monarchial
institution until Oduduwa
arrived there. The question then is, why would the Edo-speakimg world with
hundreds of
years in monarchial experiment now appeal to an upstart monarchial
institution for a king,
if there were no prior relationship with the king? We are already aware that
Rev. Samuel
Johnson's book, "The History of the Yorubas" was not only Oyo-centric but
was heavily
influenced by European writers account of the history of the yorubas as
recounted to them
by Sultan Bello of Sokoto and his men.

Therefore you may have to come to the conclusion that the Yoruba Oduduwa is
the same as Ekaladerhan of the Edos.

BUT

The man who came to Benin City known as ORONMIYAN/ORANYAN (OMONOYAN)
was a Yoruba man. Even though his father Oduduwa may have been an Edo man,
he had
a Yoruba mother. The language he understood was yoruba (ANAGO). The men and
women who travelled with him from Uhe/Ile-Ife to Benin were Yoruba men and
women.
And one of the family that came with him is the EDIGIN OF USE near Benin. In
fact
Edigin is a corruption of the yoruba (Anago) word OLIGI-the head of the wood
cutter for
the royal entourage.
But when he got to Benin City, he met an established community who refused
to
accept him because he said his title was OBA instead of OGISO. Chief
Ogiamen as usual led the oppsition against him as he did to his grandfather.
It should also be noted, that it was the attempt by EVIAN and later his son
OGIAMIEN
to crown themselves the Ogiso (king) of Benin,. that prompted some of the
executioners
to let the world know, that the Oduduwa of Ile-Ife is the same man as Prince
Ekaladerhan.
Ekaladerhan (Oduduwa) refused to return to Benin City, telling the
emissaries sent to him
" Eke ne oma eghele, ore re igiogbe ore-wherever a man find peace and
prosperity is his
home." But sent his son known as Oronyan/Oronmiyan. He too left Benin in
anger leaving
a pregnat woman behind, who gave birth to the man who later became Oba
EWEKA, the
first, of Edo History.
Oranmiyan therefore, was said to have called the land ILE-IBINU( the land of
vexation)
from where Benin is supposedly derived. This statement is still shaky since
we have claims
from some Nupe's that Benin is Nupe derived. We have evidence that the
Itsekhiris may
have given the name to Europeans travellers who popularised the name Benin.
We are
therefore, not surprised that Oba Ewuare decided to do away with name Benin
altogether,
which to him was an alien name. He named us EDO N'EVBO AIHIRE-Edo the city
of
love. But BENIN has stuck for eternity.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa11a: 8:18pm On May 22, 2017
People who talk of Ile Ife are high school drop out.


It shows , they drop out of high school. It is just a way of testing people who failed high school.. if they they know the correct history..

When you give your answer as Ile Ife. You drop out of high school
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 8:19pm On May 22, 2017
mmsen:


Your point about African-Americans does not help your argument. Rather the fact that despite the discrimination and abuse that they face affords them access to greater wealth and living standards than the residents of Ile-Ife should cause you to question the need for monarchy.

Willem Alexander has no power and limited access to public resources, he doesn't have as much opportunity to be corrupt. But other monarchs have been and are. The Saudi monarchy are notoriously crooked. Likewise their counterpart in Bahrain.

Capitalists at least have to find sources of income to fund their projects - monarchs do nothing. Does Ile-Ife even have 24 hour electricity? And if not why not? Why is Dangote doing more to eradicate the problem of power scarcity than all of the monarchs in Nigeria?

Our ancestors are not gods, they did some good and they did some silly things - such as hiding behind superstition and religion to explain the world, selling their neighbors into slavery, engaging childish witch hunts of those who tried to do things differently. We should learn from the good as well as their errors to be better instead of foolishly mimicking their behavior. We have access to more information than they did and should use it to progress.

Your point about African-Americans does not help your argument. Rather the fact that despite the discrimination and abuse that they face affords them access to greater wealth and living standards than the residents of Ile-Ife should cause you to question the need for monarchy.

The monarch of Ile-Ife has nothing to do with standard of living in Nigeria. The question you need to ask yourself is why despite having GDP of over 400 bn dollars, we are still a third world country. You and I know that Ooni wasn't responsible for mismangement of revenue generated by Nigeria from 1960s till date. If you wanna know the reasons Nigeria and most African countries found themselves in dire state, you need to do some reading but surely it wasn't Ooni or other monarchs fault. About US, dude go to inner cities like Chicago, Compton, St Louis, Flint, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Detroit etc. And experience what it is to live as a black in a first world country. Like I told you earlier stop basing your argument on what you see on TV. It is not true reflection of what's going on.

Willem Alexander has no power and limited access to public resources, he doesn't have as much opportunity to be corrupt. But other monarchs have been and are. The Saudi monarchy are notoriously crooked. Likewise their counterpart in Bahrain

And in your mind, you think Ooni as power or access to resources more than Willem-Alexander? The point of the argument was Ooni just like Willem-Alexander and other European monarchs I mentioned earlier are only constitutional and have zero to limited access to public fund, however, what their institutions represent is upliftment and identification with their cultures and traditions. You bringing Monarchs of middle east doesn't help your argument because with, what you are doing is comparing absolute monarchs with constitutional monarchs.

Capitalists at least have to find sources of income to fund their projects - monarchs do nothing. Does Ile-Ife even have 24 hour electricity? And if not why not? Why is Dangote doing more to eradicate the problem of power scarcity than all of the monarchs in Nigeria?

Bro, you need to understand what Capitalism really is. And if I may ask out of curiosity, where do you think they get those funds from? Do you know who the Rothschild and Medici families are? Like I said, things are not the way you see them. And for goodness sake, can you stop putting the responsibilities of social amenities provision on Monarchs. Ile Ife not having electricity is not the responsibility of Ooni just like running of government affairs in UK is not the responsibility of Queen Elizabeth. Least I forget, Dangote is doing more to eradicate power scarcity because as an entrepreneur he needs stable power supply for his businesses just like Carlos Slim of Mexico is doing in his country

Our ancestors are not gods, they did some good and they did some silly things - such as hiding behind superstition and religion to explain the world, selling their neighbors into slavery, engaging childish witch hunts of those who tried to do things differently. We should learn from the good as well as their errors to be better instead of foolishly mimicking their behavior. We have access to more information than they did and should use it to progress

The bolded is the reason why we need reeducation of misinformed knowledge passed to us by Caucasians. We have been wrongly informed to feel guilty and blame ourselves for being enslaved by white people. All races have been enslaving and subjecting others to their rules from time immemorial. Euroasia, Native americans just like Africans sold or conquered others of their kinds into being slaves. And Africans do not sell their family or neighbours into slavery, they sold people of other tribes or villages that they believe were different from them. Also, I believe you should be knowledgeable to know that witch hunting in Europe lasted to as recently as 18th century. During the witch hunting era of Europe that lasted for centuries, guess who were mostly executed? Women and children of course. I'm not trying to justify this barbaric act in present era in Africa but every race has their history and you demonising African history and glorifying European history is a typical whitewashing history we have been taught in school. Don't be fooled brother, do more reading and discovered the truth about your race by yourself.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by CONFAMA: 8:20pm On May 22, 2017
Xda59:


Edo people don't bear Yoruba names.

E no go better for you if you're lying. I use to have a girlfriend named Yemi and she was from edo state.

Back then, she use to tell me gory and scary tales of the edo witches which was why she and her parents took of from edo state to escape their persecution....

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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa11a: 8:34pm On May 22, 2017
Ile Ife is just knew for yoruba art... And voodoo worship...


The ooni of Ile Ife is a very low rank person. Equivalent of a Baron
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by colbankz(m): 8:47pm On May 22, 2017
obembet:
YORUBA ALWAYS MAKE THIS NATION PROUD OUTSIDE UNLIKE OUR BROTHER IN OTHER SIDE

CRIME RECORD EVERYDAY
am a yoruba gee like u but learn to freew ya mind frm hate
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Nobody: 8:49pm On May 22, 2017
CONFAMA:


E no go better for you if you're lying. I use to have a girlfriend named Yemi and she was from edo state.

Back then, she use to tell me gory and scary tales of the edo witches which was why she and her parents took of from edo state to escape their persecution....

Where in edo state is she from? You need to understand that the difference between edo state and bini speaking people referred to as Edos even when we had Bendel state. Your girlfriend must be from akoko edo which is a different story on its own but in summary, they are originally edo people. However, large number of yoruba emigration into that territory has influenced their tongue and even in their names. No Bini man bears a Yoruba name.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Archbello(m): 8:50pm On May 22, 2017
................. why those guys no invite king ado ibrahim na? Thought he has the most beautiful palace in africa.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Arsenalholic1: 9:18pm On May 22, 2017
lockupnop:


Your wish has being Granted in heaven so as mine
Amen bruv.

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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Kingspin(m): 9:27pm On May 22, 2017
To London, another man's land trace it back to Nigeria.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by CloudResident(m): 9:30pm On May 22, 2017
Afonjas don come again.Haters go line up for the nearest lagoon... cry
Wait o, why only him for Nigeria? Respect, that's what I call respect! undecided

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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by AworiLagosian: 9:30pm On May 22, 2017
Akinlekanwr:
Ooni will travel to Lagos before he can fly out to Canada. The arrogant king who has the airport in his territory is going nowhere.

Lagos Airport is NOT on Baale of Idumota island's territory.

Ikeja has an Oba called Olu of Ikeja.

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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Archbello(m): 9:40pm On May 22, 2017
If virtually we are to go by humility as my brothers in the insinuate,i think -King Ado Ibrahim Of The Ebira Kingdom- most deserve this honor. coolIf virtually we are to go by humility as my brothers in the insinuate,i think -King Ado Ibrahim Of The Ebira Kingdom- most deserve this honor.

Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by nathawoniyi(m): 10:10pm On May 22, 2017
the children of oba akinolu could be on this platform, enough of insulting ori ade,I warned.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by mmsen: 10:18pm On May 22, 2017
slurryeye2:




The monarch of Ile-Ife has nothing to do with standard of living in Nigeria. The question you need to ask yourself is why despite having GDP of over 400 bn dollars, we are still a third world country. You and I know that Ooni wasn't responsible for mismangement of revenue generated by Nigeria from 1960s till date. If you wanna know the reasons Nigeria and most African countries found themselves in dire state, you need to do some reading but surely it wasn't Ooni or other monarchs fault. About US, dude go to inner cities like Chicago, Compton, St Louis, Flint, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Detroit etc. And experience what it is to live as a black in a first world country. Like I told you earlier stop basing your argument on what you see on TV. It is not true reflection of what's going on.



And in your mind, you think Ooni as power or access to resources more than Willem-Alexander? The point of the argument was Ooni just like Willem-Alexander and other European monarchs I mentioned earlier are only constitutional and have zero to limited access to public fund, however, what their institutions represent is upliftment and identification with their cultures and traditions. You bringing Monarchs of middle east doesn't help your argument because with, what you are doing is comparing absolute monarchs with constitutional monarchs.



Bro, you need to understand what Capitalism really is. And if I may ask out of curiosity, where do you think they get those funds from? Do you know who the Rothschild and Medici families are? Like I said, things are not the way you see them. And for goodness sake, can you stop putting the responsibilities of social amenities provision on Monarchs. Ile Ife not having electricity is not the responsibility of Ooni just like running of government affairs in UK is not the responsibility of Queen Elizabeth. Least I forget, Dangote is doing more to eradicate power scarcity because as an entrepreneur he needs stable power supply for his businesses just like Carlos Slim of Mexico is doing in his country



The bolded is the reason why we need reeducation of misinformed knowledge passed to us by Caucasians. We have been wrongly informed to feel guilty and blame ourselves for being enslaved by white people. All races have been enslaving and subjecting others to their rules from time immemorial. Euroasia, Native americans just like Africans sold or conquered others of their kinds into being slaves. And Africans do not sell their family or neighbours into slavery, they sold people of other tribes or villages that they believe were different from them. Also, I believe you should be knowledgeable to know that witch hunting in Europe lasted to as recently as 18th century. During the witch hskyscrAsunting era of Europe that lasted for centuries, guess who were mostly executed? Women and children of course. I'm not trying to justify this barbaric act in present era in Africa but every race has their history and you demonising African history and glorifying European history is a typical whitewashing history we have been taught in school. Don't be fooled brother, do more reading and discovered the truth about your race by yourself.

The Nigerian economy was valued at close to $600 billion in 2014.

The reason why Nigeria is third world is because of the productivity of the nation is not in alignment with the population. Nor would I expect it to be when you have some regions who think it is acceptable to send their children out to beg and when not doing that to waste hours every week reciting Arab nonsense.

As to you trying to justify slavery. Shame on you. Europeans bought slaves from your beloved African monarchs who also fought against the Europeans to maintain the trade when the British attempted to end the barbaric trade. I am not one to romanticize Europe or European history but equally when Africans have done wrong we need to acknowledge it so that we can hold them to account where possible and learn from the error.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by springtech(m): 10:44pm On May 22, 2017
God bless the Oni. Always representing.



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Check My Signature, see how i make cool cash weekly seamlessly.
Here we don't know recession.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by Flintstone06(m): 10:56pm On May 22, 2017
nathawoniyi:
the children of oba akinolu could be on this platform, enough of insulting ori ade,I warned.


Ori Ade kor, ori imu ni undecided
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa12: 11:17pm On May 22, 2017
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Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by SpencerM(m): 11:39pm On May 22, 2017
Arsenalholic1:
I just love this country.

It has got to be the most nonpartisan first world country I've seen.

As students we used to celebrate our various cultures (Africans, Asians etc) like we were home and everyone used to participate.

Only the biting cold is a concern.

If I stop being a Nigerian, though, Canada is where I want to nationalize tongue
bro pls can we chat mor on d country i got plans 4 it pls i need info 07063742909
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 11:41pm On May 22, 2017
mmsen:


The Nigerian economy was valued at close to $600 billion in 2014.

The reason why Nigeria is third world is because of the productivity of the nation is not in alignment with the population. Nor would I expect it to be when you have some regions who think it is acceptable to send their children out to beg and when not doing that to waste hours every week reciting Arab nonsense.

As to you trying to justify slavery. Shame on you. Europeans bought slaves from your beloved African monarchs who also fought against the Europeans to maintain the trade when the British attempted to end the barbaric trade. I am not one to romanticize Europe or European history but equally when Africans have done wrong we need to acknowledge it so that we can hold them to account where possible and learn from the error.

I know people like you, Mr ITK. You just have to correct my gdp figure even though you are wrong. Nigeria GDP as at year end of 2015 stood at $481 bn, and I'm quite sure the one for 2016 will be lower than that. I never justified slavery, all I said was, stop exonerating other races from participating in slavery. In as much as slavery has been in existence from beginning of time, what distinguished trans-atlantic slavery from other slavery was the treatment of the enslaved as property by Caucasians. I never said Africans haven't done anything wrong, all what I'm telling you is that don't demonize our history and tradition.

Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by mmsen: 11:49pm On May 22, 2017
slurryeye2:


I know people like you, Mr ITK. You just have to correct my gdp figure even though you are wrong. Nigeria GDP as at year end of 2015 stood at $481 bn, and I'm quite sure the one for 2016 will be lower than that. I never justified slavery, all I said was, stop exonerating other races from participating in slavery. In as much as slavery has been in existence from beginning of time, what distinguished trans-atlantic slavery from other slavery was the treatment of the enslaved as property by Caucasians. I never said Africans haven't done anything wrong, all what I'm telling you is that don't demonize our history and tradition.



http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp

We must self police for our own good. It's not about demonizing tradition or history. If something is wrong we must first acknowledge and then correct the mistake.

We should not dogmatically stick to tradition, you see where it has gotten us. We could be so much further along if we didn't have so many people who insist on clinging to outmoded practices. Nigeria must reform or it will die. The same goes for Africa as a whole.
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 12:12am On May 23, 2017
mmsen:




http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp

We must self police for our own good. It's not about demonizing tradition or history. If something is wrong we must first acknowledge and then correct the mistake.

We should not dogmatically stick to tradition, you see where it has gotten us. We could be so much further along if we didn't have so many people who insist on clinging to outmoded practices. Nigeria must reform or it will die. The same goes for Africa as a whole.

Take this as my message from this discourse. If you lose your traditions, you lose your identity. If you lose your identity, you will never move forward. In as much as I support reform some of our traditions, I do not support abolishing many of them, and one of them is the monarchical system
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by fizziea(m): 12:28am On May 23, 2017
oni lagoon of lagoon nko grin
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by mmsen: 12:46am On May 23, 2017
slurryeye2:


Take this as my message from this discourse. If you lose your traditions, you lose your identity. If you lose your identity, if you will never move forward. In as much as I support reform some of our traditions, I do not support abolishing many of them, and one of them is the monarchical system

Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too?

Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house?

Do you spend your time farming? Or trading?

Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land?

Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham?
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by ademusiwa12: 12:53am On May 23, 2017
Ogunnusi is not Royal.. he cant sign any document
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by slurryeye2: 3:43am On May 23, 2017
mmsen:


Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too?

Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house?

Do you spend your time farming? Or trading?

Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land?

Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham?


Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too?

You said didn't they. And I'm sure "didn't they" implies something that happened in the past. Do you want me to tell you some of the absurd practices carried out in dark age Europe too?

Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house?

If you're knowledgeable about architectural concept, you should know that those traditional houses are ingeniously built. Houses that remains cool inside during hot afternoon and warm up at night without temperature regulator. I'm surprised there are not so many mud houses in Nigeria these days

Do you spend your time farming? Or trading?

I don't understand this your question. Are you saying farming depicts lack of civilization or farming is only limited to African tradition. I don't just understand you


Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land?

From this question I can guess the tribe you come from. This question is a total red herring to discourse at hand. However, to enlighten you and folks that think like you, Ilorin was never stolen or conquered by Fulani. If you wanna know what really happened, I can explain to you in details

Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham?


I don't know what you are implying by this question too. But just to let you know, Jews have African ancestry. You need to seek contemporary historical knowledge and not the whitewashed history you have been taught.

http://forward.com/culture/140721/genes-tell-tale-of-jewish-ties-to-africa/
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by MENELIK1: 7:05am On May 23, 2017
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Sir, you did not attend to my request
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by macof(m): 8:24am On May 23, 2017
Johnhug66:
there is difference btw God and god. I don't expect anything reasonable 4rm someone who calls a mortal like himself king of kings. The king of kings can kill any king any time. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO UR MAKER

Is there a difference between dog and Dog?

You people fooling yourselves with an ordinary letter capitalization that really holds no meaning

The Ooni is King of Kings. It's not about the man but the throne
Re: Canada Invites Ooni To 150th Independence Anniversary by macof(m): 8:44am On May 23, 2017
GuyfawkesAB:
Dullard.

Benin Kingdom no reach Ibadan sef. West Africa gini?

Hope you didn't write this rubbish in your just concluded WAEC?

know

The entire Bini empire that was not as big as modern Oyo state is what foolish Bini people claim to be the biggest empire in Africa

Those people are running mad gradually

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