obafemee80:
More than 130 imams from Britain are refusing to offer Islamic burials to the three men who launched attacks Saturday night in London, killing seven and wounding dozens more.

"We will not perform the traditional Islamic funeral prayer for the perpetrators and we also urge fellow imams and religious authorities to withdraw such a privilege," the Muslim leaders said Monday in a statement posted on social media.

The imams described their actions as "unprecedented," though mosques in Manchester, England, and in the United States have refused to bury Muslims involved in terror attacks in recent years.
Imam Abdullah Hasan of Imams Against Domestic Abuse, who posted the statement online, said the funeral rite "is normally performed for every Muslim regardless of their actions."

Seven people died and 48 were injured when three men drove a van into pedestrians on London Bridge, then leaped out and stabbed several others in nearby bars and restaurants. Police killed the three attackers.
The ISIS-linked Amaq News Agency claimed a "detachment of Islamic State fighters" carried out the attack but provided no evidence to back up its claim.

British Prime Minister Theresa May said there was "too much tolerance" of Islamist extremism in the United Kingdom as she vowed a clampdown in the wake of the third terror attack to hit her country in as many months.
In their statement, the imams said the terrorists do not represent Islam.
"We are deeply hurt that a spate of terror attacks have been committed in our country once more by murderers who seek to gain religious legitimacy for their actions. We seek to clarify that their reprehensible actions have neither legitimacy nor our sympathy," the Muslim leaders said.

"These vile murderers seek to divide our society and (instill) fear; we will ensure they fail. We implore everyone to unite: we are one community. In the face of such dastardly cowardice, unlike the terrorists, we must uphold love and compassion."
Thousands of Muslims worldwide have likewise condemned terrorism in recent years, as noted in a 712-page Google document maintained by an American Muslim student.

Newnas:


What the Imams did seems to be the best (and perfect knowledge lies with Allah alone).


By the way Sissie, don't u think this could be on fp?

Newnas:


What the Imams did seems to be the best (and perfect knowledge lies with Allah alone).
Imam Malik bn Anas was of the opinion that innovators should be shun by eminent people such as scholars and royals so as to serve as a deterrent for people like them.
However, I must mention that acts of terrorism doesn't take one outside Islam though it's a deed that makes one qualified for torment in this world and the hereafter.
As Ali bn Abu Talib rodiyaLLaahu anhu said regarding the khawarij (first generation of terrorist): "they are our brothers who went beyond bounds".

Therefore, the obligation of washing, praying on and burying them still lies on the Muslim community except that the elites should try not to attend and pray for them publicly rather they should rebuke them publicly but may seek forgiveness for them privately
to serve as a deterrent for people like them.


By the way Sissie, don't u think this could be on fp?

tintingz:
What kind of fuckery post is this? That terrorists are still bound to Islam? Those people that said some Muslims support terrorists are not wrong.

They should not be buried in Islamic rite rather thrown to the dogs.

Terrorists are monsters, they have no feelings for humanity, they are brainwashed to believe in an imaginary reward in an imaginary fairyland.

Newnas:


Well, your comment is the real fuckery comment!

So, if I say adulterers are not disbelievers does that mean that I support the act?!

Or if I say that a thief (not armed robber) should not be crucified, does that mean that I support the act?!

This your interpretation and understanding is very horrible. No wonder you can't comprehend the Quran, how can you comprehend it when you can't be objective enough to comprehend even my words?

The right to make a person Muslim or not belongs to non but Allah alone. It's not for you to decide with your own intellect independent of what is in the Quran and sunnah.
The issue of terrorism is not a new matter in Islam, Three of the four rightly guided caliphs rodiyaLLaahu anhum were killed by terrorists.
Of course, terrorists are monsters, but they are not the only monsters, thieves are also monsters, the money usurping politicians are also monsters, adulterers are also monsters, every sinner is a monster.

Then, if you want to make a point it should be with evidence not whims and desires. If our intellect was enough to guide us then revealing the Quran is a complete waste of time.

And by the way, paradise is not a fairyland, it's a reality. Only the pious will get there. If you don't believe in Paradise and hell, I fear that non of your belief in any other aspect of faith will benefit you. Because it's a matter established in numerous verses.

Newnas:


Well, your comment is the real fuckery comment!

So, if I say adulterers are not disbelievers does that mean that I support the act?!

Or if I say that a thief (not armed robber) should not be crucified, does that mean that I support the act?!

This your interpretation and understanding is very horrible. No wonder you can't comprehend the Quran, how can you comprehend it when you can't be objective enough to comprehend even my words?

The right to make a person Muslim or not belongs to non but Allah alone. It's not for you to decide with your own intellect independent of what is in the Quran and sunnah.
The issue of terrorism is not a new matter in Islam, Three of the four rightly guided caliphs rodiyaLLaahu anhum were killed by terrorists.
Of course, terrorists are monsters, but they are not the only monsters, thieves are also monsters, the money usurping politicians are also monsters, adulterers are also monsters, every sinner is a monster.

Then, if you want to make a point it should be with evidence not whims and desires. If our intellect was enough to guide us then revealing the Quran is a complete waste of time.

And by the way, paradise is not a fairyland, it's a reality. Only the pious will get there. If you don't believe in Paradise and hell, I fear that non of your belief in any other aspect of faith will benefit you. Because it's a matter established in numerous verses.

tintingz:
I laugh at your fuckery post, adulterers, thiefs are not murderers, punishment for adulterers differ in state, some state don't give any punishment to adulterers only if they file for divorce while some state flog and Stone them to death. Thiefs are lock in prison in some state while some state cut off their hands.

If you said these evil terrorists should be buried in Islamic rite because they are your brothers then you're stylishly supporting them.

You call them your brothers, is shekau the boko haram leader your brother in Islam?

Adulterers are no monsters, their act is not under any criminal act, it might be in fanatic countries.

Didn't Allah in the Quran gave rules concerning killing humans? Where did Allah support terrorism or call them Muslims?

So where does the Quran said you should bury your terrorists brothers in Islamic rite?

Lol, There are over thousands of beliefs in the world so also thousands of paradise in the sky or wherever it is.

So don't think it is only your fairyland that exist.

Riduane:
Terrorists are evil people and should be seen and treated for the evil that they are.

Wallahi!!!!

tintingz:
[s]I laugh at your fuckery post, adulterers, thiefs are not murderers, punishment for adulterers differ in state, some state don't give any punishment to adulterers, they only file for divorce while some state flog and Stone them to death. Thieves are lock in prison in some state while some state cut off their hands.

If you said these evil terrorists should be buried in Islamic rite because they are your brothers then you're stylishly supporting them.

You call them your brothers, is shekau the boko haram leader your brother in Islam?

Adulterers are no monsters, their act is not under any criminal act, it might be in fanatic countries.

Didn't Allah in the Quran gave rules concerning killing humans? Where did Allah support terrorism or call them Muslims?

So where does the Quran said you should bury your terrorists brothers in Islamic rite?

Lol, There are over thousands of beliefs in the world so also thousands of paradise in the sky or wherever it is.

So don't think it is only your fairyland that exist.

Demmzy15:
Wallahi!!!!

Riduane:


Brother, what do you think about this Qatar situation?

Demmzy15:
Let's go to whatsup, make we no derail!

tintingz:
What kind of fuckery post is this? That terrorists are still bound to Islam? Those people that said some Muslims support terrorists are not wrong.

They should not be buried in Islamic rite rather thrown to the dogs.

Terrorists are monsters, they have no feelings for humanity, they are brainwashed to believe in an imaginary reward in an imaginary fairyland.

tintingz:


If you said these evil terrorists should be buried in Islamic rite because they are your brothers then you're stylishly supporting them.

You call them your brothers, is shekau the boko haram leader your brother in Islam?

AlBaqir:


Note that what makes a person Muslim is the outward declaration of shahadatain/Kalimantain, then followed by Salat, fasting, zakat and hajj (even if all that are for show).

Until you outwardly renounce Islam, you are still counted a Muslim no matter what your crimes are. Remember even the Munafiqun who will rotten at the bottom of hellfire are/were apparently Muslims.


True the act of terrorism, blowing up people, slaughtering people's throat etc is grave which the perpetrator might not or will not be absolved of its punishment forever yet Islam still count polytheism as the gravest sin.

# Saying those ISIS, BH guys are still Muslims doesn't entail one support them or count them as "brothers". Obviously they are not part of " Muslim brotherhood " that Qur'an talks about.

# If the Muslim community refused to bury them, those (perhaps the authority) that will eventually bury them, does it entail they support them ni?

# Terrorist major problem is in misinterpretation of Islamic manuals. And truly unless the Muslim world review those terror manuals like Sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim (which they believed is 100% pure), then "Islam" will continue to breed those guys.

AlBaqir:


Terrorism is not an act of kufr. So, it is not tantamount to apostasy. But, it is a grave sin. Meaning that those terrorists are still Muslims.

Newnas:
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SubhanaLLaah, this one has nothing Islamic on his tongue fingers oo.

AlBaqir see you geh hope... AlhamduliLlah for the mercy of sunnah.

tintingz:


Good, terrorists are Muslims, if people call them Muslims why then muslims argue they are not Muslims?

As for authority, they can be buried in prison cemetery or inside ocean like they did to Osama bin laden, the U.S allowed Islamic burial rites on Osama(prayers, bathing) but they didn't allow the full rite, Osama was buried inside water which is against Islam practice.

tintingz:
What's this one saying?

Am I claiming Mr sharia here?

AlBaqir:


Note that what makes a person Muslim is the outward declaration of shahadatain/Kalimantain, then followed by Salat, fasting, zakat and hajj (even if all that are for show).

Until you outwardly renounce Islam, you are still counted a Muslim no matter what your crimes are. Remember even the Munafiqun who will rotten at the bottom of hellfire are/were apparently Muslims.


True the act of terrorism, blowing up people, slaughtering people's throat etc is grave which the perpetrator might not or will not be absolved of its punishment forever yet Islam still count polytheism as the gravest sin.

# Saying those ISIS, BH guys are still Muslims doesn't entail one support them or count them as "brothers". Obviously they are not part of " Muslim brotherhood " that Qur'an talks about.

# If the Muslim community refused to bury them, those (perhaps the authority) that will eventually bury them, does it entail they support them ni?

# Terrorist major problem is in misinterpretation of Islamic manuals. [s]And truly unless the Muslim world review those terror manuals like Sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim (which they believed is 100% pure), then "Islam" will continue to breed those guys.[/s]

I was gbaduning you already but you just messed up. How can you be in the middle of a reasonable discussion and you suddenly stop and slap your face and chest? Anh Anh, bring up something new, we're tired of this nauseating boring rhetorics!

Demmzy15:
I was gbaduning you already but you just messed up. How can you be in the middle of a reasonable discussion and you suddenly stop and slap your face and chest? Anh Anh, bring up something new, we're tired of this nauseating boring rhetorics!

Demmzy15:
I was gbaduning you already but you just messed up. How can you be in the middle of a reasonable discussion and you suddenly stop and slap your face and chest? Anh Anh, bring up something new, we're tired of this nauseating boring rhetorics!

Do you expect anything good from that potential terrorist ni? He's obviously one of their foot soldier.

AlBaqir:


# Those that are denying terrorist's Muslim credentials are either ignorant or being paranoid. Ask them, does "Islam" preach terrorism? They will instantly say "No". Little do they know that some " Islamic" manuals encourage and preach terrorism. The truth is we can no longer continue to deny if truly we intend to uproot terrorism.

# So if those authority could allowed "half Muslim rites" for Osama, how did the Imams in London are shying away from given that guy his rites? That again is the paranoia am talking about. And truly I don't blame them, western media can use that strongly against them.

AlBaqir:


Do you expect anything good from that potential terrorist ni? He's obviously one of their foot soldier.

AlBaqir:


To smoke dogmatic head like you out naa ni. When I see a message like the one attached, and even worse than that, then tell me its not terror manuscript.

tintingz:
The more reason some muslims don't condemn terrorism/terrorists, some of their books support it.


I see nothing wrong with what the British imams are doing, they shouldn't bury does devils in an Islamic tradition, they should be thrown to the ocean like they did to Osama. I wonder what burial prayer will benefits terrorists like Osama and co in afterlife when they will all end up in hell fire.

Imams should stop wasting their time doing burial prayer to terrorists that have caused the death of many people's life.

tintingz:
chains on their neck, something like forcing people to accept Isam!

And this is from Abu Huraira

What kind of hadith is this.

tintingz:
^^^ Well said. Albaqir.

AlBaqir:


# Another reason I think those Imams should do "Islamic rites" for those guys is this:

According to Sunni jurisprudence there is no funeral prayer for the martyr

https://islamqa.info/en/14012

Some evil informed (like shia self-declared Imam, Tawhidi in Aistralia) are beginning to use this against those UK Imam.