Good morning Nairalanders, this question has being running and jogging through my mind for a very long time and I need clarification.

Now the bible made believers understand that the devil sin and rebelled against God and he was cast down from Heaven to Earth.

Imagine you have a farm where you grow and train livestock and one day as you were walking inside your house you found a dangerous snake instead of killing or caging it you took the snake and throw it inside the farm.
The question is why throw him down to earth, why did God not jail and cage him in heaven instead he was cast down to earth and God knowing fully well that humans are on earth. All the killings and fornication and backbiting would have being avoided because the devil is the father of sin.

Please mature answer

you need the holy spirit to understand

frubben:
Good morning Nairalanders, this question has being running and jogging through my mind for a very long time and I need clarification.

Now the bible made believers understand that the devil sin and rebelled against God and he was cast down from Heaven to Earth.

Imagine you have a farm where you grow and train livestock and one day as you were walking inside your house you found a dangerous snake instead of killing or caging it you took the snake and throw it inside the farm.
The question is why throw him down to earth, why did God not jail and cage him in heaven instead he was cast down to earth and God knowing fully well that humans are on earth. All the killings and fornication and backbiting would have being avoided because the devil is the father of sin.

Please mature answer

"The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions.

frubben:
Good morning Nairalanders, this question has being running and jogging through my mind for a very long time and I need clarification.

Now the bible made believers understand that the devil sin and rebelled against God and he was cast down from Heaven to Earth.

Imagine you have a farm where you grow and train livestock and one day as you were walking inside your house you found a dangerous snake instead of killing or caging it you took the snake and throw it inside the farm.
The question is why throw him down to earth, why did God not jail and cage him in heaven instead he was cast down to earth and God knowing fully well that humans are on earth. All the killings and fornication and backbiting would have being avoided because the devil is the father of sin.

Please mature answer

Haha, for a long time as how, you came up with this yesterday. What if God gave man the power to overcome the devil despite the presence of Satan on the earth. For instance, astronauts travel to space, using space suit, the space suit was to guide and protect them, I believe God had a protective means He offered to Adam. Its like saying, NASA sent astronauts to space without a spacesuit, that would be wickedness, and remember, God told man the consequence of his action if he does it.

For instance, people have been jumping into the lagoon for years, does that mean they don't know they would die as a result, they made their choice, Adam and Eve made their choice and you would see how pissed God was when He realised man ate the forbidden fruit. Gen3:11-15

GodsMopol:


Haha, for a long time as how, you came up with this yesterday. What if God gave man the power to overcome the devil despite the presence of Satan on the earth. For instance, astronauts travel to space, using space suit, the space suit was to guide and protect them, I believe God had a protective means He offered to Adam. Its like saying, NASA sent astronauts to space without a spacesuit, that would be wickedness, and remember, God told man the consequence of his action if he does it.

For instance, people have been jumping into the lagoon for years, does that mean they don't know they would die as a result, they made their choice, Adam and Eve made their choice and you would see how pissed God was when He realised man ate the forbidden fruit. Gen3:11-15

Sorry iyam nott understanding

frubben:
Good morning Nairalanders, this question has being running and jogging through my mind for a very long time and I need clarification.

Now the bible made believers understand that the devil sin and rebelled against God and he was cast down from Heaven to Earth.

Imagine you have a farm where you grow and train livestock and one day as you were walking inside your house you found a dangerous snake instead of killing or caging it you took the snake and throw it inside the farm.
The question is why throw him down to earth, why did God not jail and cage him in heaven instead he was cast down to earth and God knowing fully well that humans are on earth. All the killings and fornication and backbiting would have being avoided because the devil is the father of sin.

Please mature answer

I have been asking men of God "Why didn't God killed Satan back then?" and forgive Adam_Eve for being deceived. But I get funny answers which ain't satisfying.

hopefulLandlord:
you need the holy spirit to understand

Because god being omniscient, knows that Satan will turn angel gab into Evans who will then connive with angel mike to kidnap baba-G and bros-J. Such drama would be better and entertaining watching from heaven. So god sent satan to earth to entertain himself alongside bros-J, Gab & Mike. Then he created man on earth to perfect the show.

To test man's love and obedience to Him. Satan failed this test as lucifer when He was created with great beauty and glory.
Man too was created with great glory and beauty but lost all when he failed the test.
God has given us free will and will never force us against our will to love and obey Him.

Junia:

"The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions.

the above guy that has a personal relationship with Jesus is saying that we don't know and his god is keeping the knowledge away from us, even used a bible quote

judedwriter:
To test man's love and obedience to Him. Satan failed this test as lucifer when He was created with great beauty and glory.
Man too was created with great glory and beauty but lost all when he failed the test.
God has given us free will and will never force us against our will to love and obey Him.

the person above that has relationship with the same Jesus actually knows, god has revealed the reason to him, the same reason he's keeping away from Junia

Yahweh is author of confusion https://www.nairaland.com/3844519/meaninglessness-deep-personal-relationship-jesus

Oga, you are assuming the devil was sent packing to the earth after God created man.

But that's not true, man was created after the devil was sent packing. It was one of the reasons God gave man dominion over everything that walks on the earth.

But you may ask does the devil walk? Ist Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

You may also want to ask what's the evidence the devil was sent to the earth before the creation of man.

Rev 12:9 says
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

Remember the book of revelation was written by John after the death of Christ. At that point the devil was already operating on earth. He even tempted Jesus. Revelation chapter 12 was a flashback of what happened before the creation of man.

To buttress my point Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of [a]any tree of the garden?

Before man was ever created the devil was already on earth as a test to man and as a punishment to the devil.

judedwriter:
To test man's love and obedience to Him. Satan failed this test as lucifer when He was created with great beauty and glory.

Please, stop blaspheming.

Satan / Shaitan/ Esu/ Ekwensu -> An Adversary for the kingdom of God and heaven and even the Angels .

Satan is a hebrew word for Adversary,thats how the name came about which became the most popular name in the world today. His Real name is Lucifer.

If i want to kill you today , being your Adversary, will you keep me close, or banish me when you have the power?

gimakon:
Satan / Shaitan/ Esu/ Ekwensu -> An Adversary for the kingdom of God and heaven and even the Angels .

Satan is a hebrew word for Adversary,thats how the name came about which became the most popular name in the world today. His Real name is Lucifer.

If i want to kill you today , being your Adversary, will you keep me close, or banish me when you have the power?

so someone can kill "God" afterall

hopefulLandlord:


so someone can kill "God" afterall

Wrong, I never said so, I am not GOD... I never said someone can, God saw Lucifer as his adversary hence the imprisonment. As not to do further evils. Thats obviously how i see it.

frubben:
Good morning Nairalanders, this question has being running and jogging through my mind for a very long time and I need clarification.

Now the bible made believers understand that the devil sin and rebelled against God and he was cast down from Heaven to Earth.

Imagine you have a farm where you grow and train livestock and one day as you were walking inside your house you found a dangerous snake instead of killing or caging it you took the snake and throw it inside the farm.
The question is why throw him down to earth, why did God not jail and cage him in heaven instead he was cast down to earth and God knowing fully well that humans are on earth. All the killings and fornication and backbiting would have being avoided because the devil is the father of sin.

Please mature answer

Such question is based on the belief that Satan was ousted before the creation of man. This is wrong. Satan was cast many years after humans were here on earth and had sinned.

That being the case, we remember that Satan's interchange with Eve brought about a challenge to Gods right to rule. (Gen 3:1-6)

Now, destroying or jailing him won't help the challenge. Secondly, his imprisonment won't allow some other prophesies which came up as a result of his rebellion to be fulfilled.

So, he has brought sin into the world before he was ousted from heaven. As such, all those vices you listed above would still be here had he been jailed.

gimakon:


Wrong, I never said so, I am not GOD... I never said someone can, God saw Lucifer as his adversary hence the imprisonment. As not to do further evils. Thats obviously how i see it.

okay, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Yahweh decided to "imprison" Lucifer by sending him down to earth? how's that exactly imprisonment? are you saying Yahweh created Adam and Eve then put them in prison?

luvmijeje:
Oga, you are assuming the devil was sent packing to the earth after God created man.

But that's not true, man was created after the devil was sent packing. It was one of the reasons God gave man dominion over everything that walks on the earth.

But you may ask does the devil walk? Ist Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

You may also want to ask what's the evidence the devil was sent to the earth before the creation of man.

Rev 12:9 says
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

Remember the book of revelation was written by John after the death of Christ. At that point the devil was already operating on earth. He even tempted Jesus. Revelation chapter 12 was a flashback of what happened before the creation of man.

To buttress my point Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of [a]any tree of the garden?

Before man was ever created the devil was already on earth as a test to man and as a punishment to the devil.

I beg to disagree. Revelation is a disclosure of what was to fulfill in the future. See what the first chapter says:

Rev 1:1 "revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John"

Things that must shortly take place, not things that happened aforetime.

hopefulLandlord:


okay, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent Yahweh decided to "imprison" Lucifer by sending him down to earth? how's that exactly imprisonment? are you saying Yahweh created Adam and Eve then put them in prison?

Whats this one saying?

iyke926:

I have been asking men of God "Why didn't God killed Satan back then?" and forgive Adam_Eve for being deceived. But I get funny answers which ain't satisfying.

God bless you sir and right now am still getting answer dat raise other questions.

gimakon:

Whats this one saying?

read your own posts and read mine

judedwriter:
To test man's love and obedience to Him. Satan failed this test as lucifer when He was created with great beauty and glory.
Man too was created with great glory and beauty but lost all when he failed the test.
God has given us free will and will never force us against our will to love and obey Him.

Like seriously and here I thought God knows things before they even happen

frubben:

Like seriously and here I thought God knows things before they even happen

Our minds are too limited to understand all about God...Sure He knows all things, BUT He sincerely respects our will unless He decides to manipulate it like He did to Pharoah.

luvmijeje:
Oga, you are assuming the devil was sent packing to the earth after God created man.

But that's not true, man was created after the devil was sent packing. It was one of the reasons God gave man dominion over everything that walks on the earth.

But you may ask does the devil walk? Ist Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

You may also want to ask what's the evidence the devil was sent to the earth before the creation of man.

Rev 12:9 says
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

Remember the book of revelation was written by John after the death of Christ. At that point the devil was already operating on earth. He even tempted Jesus. Revelation chapter 12 was a flashback of what happened before the creation of man.

To buttress my point Gen 3:1
Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which Jehovah God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of [a]any tree of the garden?

Before man was ever created the devil was already on earth as a test to man and as a punishment to the devil.

and after God saw dat it was perfect he said let us create man in our own image. So God has cast down devil before to wic earth, d one he never create.
U said to test man and after d devil has tested us, God still said he regretted creating man. I no understand

judedwriter:


Our minds are too limited to understand all about God...Sure He knows all things, BUT He sincerely respects our will unless He decides to manipulate it like He did to Pharoah.

We are not talking about our mind, we are talking about you saying devil was cast down to earth to test us, wats is the need if u already know wat d result is going to b. And God also said he regretted creating man, he was d one that cast Satan here knowing fully well how cajoling d devil is, the devil was even turning angels before he was cast down. So sir please throw more light

JMAN05:


Such question is based on the belief that Satan was ousted before the creation of man. This is wrong. Satan was cast many years after humans were here on earth and had sinned.

That being the case, we remember that Satan's interchange with Eve brought about a challenge to Gods right to rule. (Gen 3:1-6)

Now, destroying or jailing him won't help the challenge. Secondly, his imprisonment won't allow some other prophesies which came up as a result of his rebellion to be fulfilled.

So, he has brought sin into the world before he was ousted from heaven. As such, all those vices you listed above would still be here had he been jailed.

sir? Human sin without devil And here I thought Satan was the father of sin meaning he gave birth to sin? Sir more clarification

frubben:
Good morning Nairalanders, this question has being running and jogging through my mind for a very long time and I need clarification.

Now the bible made believers understand that the devil sin and rebelled against God and he was cast down from Heaven to Earth.

Imagine you have a farm where you grow and train livestock and one day as you were walking inside your house you found a dangerous snake instead of killing or caging it you took the snake and throw it inside the farm.
The question is why throw him down to earth, why did God not jail and cage him in heaven instead he was cast down to earth and God knowing fully well that humans are on earth. All the killings and fornication and backbiting would have being avoided because the devil is the father of sin.

Please mature answer

I don't know if you are trying to be sarcastic or sincere.

If you are trying to be sincere though, I will advise you don't use the physical to explain the spiritual, if you want to mature, spiritually.
Most things in the Bible are metaphors, understanding when certain passages are Historical, poetic, prophetic, scientific.... etc, takes divine grace. There was a reason why the Bible was once sacred text.

Proudlyngwa:

I don't know if you are trying to be sarcastic or sincere.

If you are trying to be sincere though, I will advise you don't use the physical to explain the spiritual, if you want to mature, spiritually.
Most things in the Bible are metaphors, understanding when certain passages are Historical, poetic, prophetic, scientific.... etc, takes divine grace. There was a reason why the Bible was once sacred text.

I am being sincere o, na bible u divide like dis okay o. So wic category does my question fall into

frubben:
I am being sincere o, na bible u divide like dis okay o. So wic category does my question fall into

I've told you, it's metamorphical.
I advise people to live a good life, follow John 4.24.
With time the right revelations will come to you.
The story of Genesis 1 to 3 is as loaded as the rest of the bio, with out understanding it, you will find it difficult to understand the rest of the Bible.

Proudlyngwa:


I've told you, it's metamorphical.
I advise people to live a good life, follow John 4.24.
With time the right revelations will come to you.
The story of Genesis 1 to 3 is as loaded as the rest of the bio, with out understanding it, you will find it difficult to understand the rest of the Bible.

jesus compared a lot of spiritual things to the physical, the fig tree, the talents and so on for easy and better understanding wic I actually did in my post. Sir please leave the comparison and attack the question. Tanks in advance

frubben:

We are not talking about our mind, we are talking about you saying devil was cast down to earth to test us, wats is the need if u already know wat d result is going to b. And God also said he regretted creating man, he was d one that cast Satan here knowing fully well how cajoling d devil is, the devil was even turning angels before he was cast down. So sir please throw more light

True, God knows all things from end to beginning, but He doesn't try to interfere with our will...He allows us choose whether we will obey Him or not.
As i am writing this now, God already knows those who will make heaven and those who won't. He knows all things, But He gives us liberty to choose what we want even though He already knows the outcome. That's the mystery of God i am talking about-He knows all about us, but He respects our will.

Of course God knew that Adam and eve would be deceived by satan, but to show us that He is sovereign, He permitted Adam and eve to make their choice without interference.

Same with lucifer, God knew that satan would rebel against Him out of pride, but He never interfered, Why? God wants us to choose whether we love Him or not.

gimakon:
Satan / Shaitan/ Esu/ Ekwensu -> An Adversary for the kingdom of God and heaven and even the Angels .

Satan is a hebrew word for Adversary,thats how the name came about which became the most popular name in the world today. His Real name is Lucifer.

If i want to kill you today , being your Adversary, will you keep me close, or banish me when you have the power?

Satan is not the same as Esu.