adelumolo:
[s]Confusions all the ways. Islam is only the way.
Is Jesus a Christian? Did he knows about bible? He's not a confusionist. A prophet of God. Jesus God your God.
Very Simple
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Go & seek for knowledge

torres89:


first u need to understand the definition of christainity...

which is followers of Christ

most of the practice in the Bible were cultural practice of the Jews most especially in the old testament.

in a nut shell if you are doing anything that Jesus Christ didn't say in the new testament

my brother u ain't a Christian

no prejudice

but Jesus washed his hands, head and feet and bowed down in prostration to the Almighty. Only Muslims and some white garment churches practice this ritual. What's your take sir?

lonikit:
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

No it's not. Why pick one portion of the bible without looking the rationale behind it? Why pick the one that suits you?

lonikit:


wht is ur take on the topic, do u support Torres position

...For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.-Galatians 3:26-29

-Peace.

torres89:


keywords to fulfill wat exactly

and which law is he speaking of

Read carefully and be objective bro, take statements as they are written, and do not suggest an implicit meaning unless the statement points to that connotation beyond reasonable doubt.Let us try and understand this statement: "i have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill the law".By your interpretation you assume law means prophecy.Law in this respect could mean prophecy as well, because in the context of Mathew chapter 17, verse 18: "none of the words of the law will go unfulfilled".Jesus must be drawing our attention to the prophecies.But by using the word law, you cannot immediately conclude that he was referring to prophecy in place of commandments.he could be referring to both, which is clear in verse 19:"therefore anyone who sets aside any one of the least of the commands and teaches accordingly, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" So you sou see in this context, he was referring to law as a command, you will also notice that he taught his disciples about some of the laws, and modified them, not change(he even made them harder to abide by).Study to show yourself approved.

torres89:


yes

we preach a modified version of the old testament

we don't involve our selves in most of the practices in the old testament

and we preach all our gospels​ from the new testament

then how come 99% of the pastors won't let Malachi (Old Testament) rest? And moreover Corinthians is in the New Testament.

lonikit:



y did Jesus say he came to fulfil the law then. were the laws not those of the jews

Do u need a law that have been fulfil again. Simple no. If I was sent on an assignment and I said i have fufil the assignment do u need that assignment again

blueseacats:
then how come 99% of the pastors won't let Malachi (Old Testament) rest? And moreover Corinthians is in the New Testament.

Yahoo Yahoo pastors just like Daddy freeze calls them

lonikit:
1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

My brother,let me remind you that the bible says that the letter killeth but the spirit gives live.if one think because he/she went to school or can read and write or have maters in theology then he/she can interpret the scripture then he is in a millennium deception of all time.

First you must understand that a lot was wrong with the Corinthian church .one of which was that they were soo disorganised, people speak in tongues anyhow without interpreting, there was no orderliness in the church, the women also talked anyhow using word that where not appropriate.
Paul then corrected certain things .He commanded everyone who speaks in tongue when the church gathers to be quiet,except there is an interpreter .And even when there is,2 or 3 should speak at a time.
It was that restructuring that gave birth to the doctrinal instruction on women .
You must understand that every church has its own doctrine which is geared towards pointing people to God. And as long as you are a member of that assembly or church you must obey as disobedience is rebellion .

Doctrines meant for one church might not be applicable to another church.
Note: A church that discovers that a lot of their ladies wear cloths that exposes their breast soo much can bring up a doctrine which will insist that all ladies while coming to church should wear"cover till shoulder cloth".My friend even God will uphold it. Now is such doctrine in the bible?No! Is it righteous? YES!

Permit me to stop here before I bore you with more facts.

Mrkumareze:
May the spirit of understanding fall on you all. Amen.

if you cannot clearify things dont shift it to the spirit of understanding pls, typical pastor talk lol.

Genesis 1 teaches us that male and female participate equally in the image of God. "So God created man [humankind] in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" (Gen 1:27).

This basic passage gives no hint of a divine creation order. Here man and woman are fully equal, with no subordination of one to the other. We find that this description of the relationship between man and woman holds throughout Scripture and beyond. No inspired writer—not Moses, Jesus, Paul, or Ellen White—teaches the creation headship of man over woman. Nor has this position ever been accepted in historic Adventism.

Those who oppose the ordination of women ultimately base their argument on the creation headship of man over woman. Their case, however, rests on a fundamental misinterpretation of Gen 1-3
Contrary to popular argument, Adam does not name the woman (and thereby exercise authority over her) before the Fall in Gen 2:23. The "divine passives" in this verse imply in Hebrew thought that the designation "woman" comes from God, not from man (see Jacques Doukhan, The Genesis Creation Story [Berrien Springs, MI: Andrews University Press, 1978], 46-47). Adam does not name Eve till after the Fall (Gen 3:20).

In short, Gen 2 contains no creation order subordinating woman to man or restricting her from entering into full and equal participation with man in any ministry to which God may call her.

A subjection of Eve to Adam is mentioned in Gen 3. God says to Eve: "Your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over your" (Gen 3:16). But it is crucial to recognize that the subjection of Eve to Adam comes after the Fall. Furthermore, it is limited to the husband-wife relationship, and therefore does not involve a general subordination of women to men.
Paul gives much instruction regarding the relationship between husbands and wives. As can be seen in particular by 1 Tim 2:14 (see also 1 Cor 14:34 and PP 58-59), it is ultimately in light of Gen 3:16 that he indicates the "head of a woman is her husband" (1 Cor 11:3) and calls upon wives to "be subject in everything to their husbands" (Eph 5:24). Such passages as 1 Cor 11:3-12, 1 Cor 14:34-35, and 1 Tim 2:11-12 all concern the issue of the submission of wives to their husbands and not of women to men in general.

Furthermore, in 1 Tim 2:13 Paul is not arguing for a creation headship of man over woman as has often been assumed. Rather, he is correcting a false syncretistic theology in Ephesus which claimed that woman was created first and man fell first, and therefore women are superior to men. Because of this false theology, wives were apparently domineering over their husbands in public church meetings
In the Old Testament we see numerous women in leadership roles over men, thus confirming Genesis 1. Witness Deborah (Judges 4 and 5), one of the judges over the people of Israel-- women and men. Witness the leadership role of Miriam (Exod 15:20-21), Huldah (2 Kgs 22:13-14; 2 Chr 34:22-28), Esther, and others (e.g., Exod 38:8; 1 Sam 2:22; 2 Kings 8:1-6; Ps 68:11; Jer 31:22).

Although in OT Israel there did exist social inequalities for women, reflecting a perversion of the divine ideal set forth in Gen 1, yet nonetheless there are no legal restrictions barring women from positions of influence, leadership, and authority over men.

With regard to the priesthood, Adam and Eve were appointed priests in the Garden of Eden before the Fall, and reconfirmed as such after the Fall .Because of Israel's sin, an alternate plan was given in which even most men were also excluded--except for one family in one tribe in Israel. Yet in the New Testament the Gospel restores God's original plan. Not a few male priests, but once more the "priesthood of all believers" (1 Pet 2:5, 9; Rev 1:6).
Jesus called His people back to the original plan regarding the role of women. In the NT Jesus Himself set the tone for the Gospel restoration by pointing His hearers to God's original plan "from the beginning" (Matt 19:. He did not move precipitously, upsetting the very fabric of Jewish culture; He did not ordain women as His immediate disciples, just as He did not ordain Gentiles. But He pointed the way toward the Edenic ideal in His revolutionary treatment and exaltation of women (see John 4:7-30; Mark 5:25-34; Luke 8:1-3; Matt 15:21- 28; John 20:1-18, etc.).
The Gospel ideal is the return to the Eden model. Paul emphatically declared: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Gal 3:28). This is not merely a statement on equal access to salvation among various groups (cf. Gal 2:11-15; Eph 2:14-15). Rather, it specifically singles out those three relationships in which the Jews had perverted God's original plan of Gen 1 by making one group subordinate to another: (1) Jew-Gentile, (2) slave-master, and (3) male-female. By using the rare NT terms "male-female" (arsen-thēly) instead of "husband-wife" (anēr-gunē) Paul establishes a link with Gen 1:27 and thus shows how the Gospel calls us back to the divine ideal, which has no place for general subordination of females to males. Thus, Paul's choice of terminology upholds the equality of men and women in the church, without changing the position of the husband as head of the family.

Within the cultural restraints of his day, Paul and the early church (like Jesus) did not act precipitously. The subordination of Gentiles was difficult to root out (even in Peter! [Gal 2:11-14]). Slavery was not immediately abolished in the church (see Eph 6:5-9; Col 3:22; Phlm 12: 1 Tim 6:1). Likewise, women did not immediately receive full and equal participation with men in the ministry of the church. However, Phoebe is mentioned as a “deacon” (Rom 16:1) Junia was a female apostle (Rom 16:7), and the leaders of the church at Philippi were women (Phil 4:2–3). Priscilla assumed an authoritative teaching role over men (Acts 18), and the “Elect Lady” (2 John) may well have been a prominent church leader with a congregation under her care
Paul's list of qualifications for elders framed in the masculine gender ("husband of one wife"--literally, "a one-wife husband"--[1 Tim 3:1-7, Titus 1:5-9]) does not exclude women from serving as elders any more than the masculine gender throughout the Ten Commandments (Exod 20; see esp. vs. 17) exempts women from obedience. Rather, these passages are again upholding the Edenic ideal--the principle of monogamy (Gen 2:24).

God does not speak directly to the question of the ordination of women in the NT, just as He does not deal directly with the abolition of slavery, with vegetarianism, abstinence from alcohol, and many other issues based on principles set forth "from the beginning." But He has given clear Biblical principles to guide our decision-making.

In these last days, when the fullness of the everlasting Gospel is to be preached, God has called His church to return to His original blueprint for every area of our lives: our diet, our day of worship--and the three human relationships mentioned in Gal 3. Our church has already taken courageous stands against slavery and racial prejudice. God also calls us to return to the Edenic ideal for male-female relationships that allows women equal access to the gifts of the Spirit for ministry (Joel 2:28-30; Eph 4:11-13)

torres89:


first u need to understand the definition of christainity...

which is followers of Christ

most of the practice in the Bible were cultural practice of the Jews most especially in the old testament.

in a nut shell if you are doing anything that Jesus Christ didn't say in the new testament

my brother u ain't a Christian

no prejudice

This here is where I have my concerns about what the church today is. It is neither here nor there. The passage OP quoted is as you claim for the Jews. Christ came to fulfill the law you say? But the same Christ said in Mathew 5:17 "Do not think I have come to abolish the law".

The present day preachers/pastorprenuers have altered Bible teachings to suite their their manipulative tendencies. They condemn portion is the old testament and say Christ came to fulfill the law when the need certain portions of the old testament suppressed. Then at some points they will invoke "I have not come to change the law" when they need your tithes which was a Jewish law too and practice.

Honestly, the confusion is killing.

The truth is that most of the things written in the Bible were traditional Jewish practices and norms. Remember that's why that's rarely much provisions for women and thus appears in the scripture cos Christ himself was a Jewish. So I think, the reason for those scriptures where women are meant not to take lead in churches as part of Jewish traditions. Now Christianity being a product of Judaism or have came from Judaism, there has to be some elements of the tradition in the religion cos you can separate one from the other. Therefore, the point is that bible does not endorse women ministry but it's evident today and has been accepted every where.

Here we go again bandying about words and splitting hairs. Are the fruits of Christ manifest in you? I mean the graces of love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness etc.

Are you fulfilling His personal call in your life? Or you are not even aware He called you to do a particular thing on earth here? Why not bother about that which you have been called to do instead of judging what another has been called to do?

asuustrike2009:

No it's not. Why pick one portion of the bible without looking the rationale behind it? Why pick the one that suits you?

Ok, what do u think and y women can not be pope?

torres89:


yes

we preach a modified version of the old testament

we don't involve our selves in most of the practices in the old testament

and we preach all our gospels​ from the new testament

Why modify the Bible? Did you write it? The Bible is like God's manual handed to us and if your believe in God's omnipotence, omnipresence and all knowing, you won't remove what he put there through His messengers.

Shafiiimran99:
Ok, what do u think and y women can not be pope?

That's Catholic doctrine? Why do you think we have reverend sisters were no strong biblical backing?

This was a radio sponsored program topic yesterday on Magic 102.9 Aba.

The truth is that most of the things written in the Bible were traditional Jewish practices and norms. Remember that's why that's rarely much provisions for women and thus appears in the scripture cos Christ himself was a Jewish. So I think, the reason for those scriptures where women are meant not to take lead in churches as part of Jewish traditions. Now Christianity being a product of Judaism or have came from Judaism, there has to be some elements of the tradition in the religion cos you can separate one from the other. Therefore, the point is that bible does not endorse women ministry but it's evident today and has been accepted every where.

Freethought:
Funny!

It is a commanded to all male/female to preach d word of God

CandidSeeker:



WHEN HE SAID ONE JOT OR ONE TITLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED... HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THINGS WRITTEN CONCERNING HIM!

… And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself… … And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. - Luke 24:27 & 44


[s]HE SAID, THINK NOT THAT I COME TO DESTROY THE LAW...... BECAUSE THEY TRIED TO ARREST HIM BEFORE[/s]:

…Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode. -Jn.10:39-40

…Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come. – Jn.7:30

…So there was a division among the people because of him. And some of them would have taken him; but no man laid hands on him. Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. - John.7:43-46

…Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. -Matt.16:’20’


When you read further through Matthew Chapter 5 that you quoted, you will see where he told them to start doing exactly opposite what their Jewish laws and ordinances stated:

...You've been told to swear, but you must not swear at all!-Matt.5:33-38
...You've been told to revenge, but now you have to be nice to everyone, including your enemies! - Matt.5:38-48

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. - John 7:22

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. Matt.19:8



You Worship In Vain, If Your Focus Is On Denominational Doctrines Based Only On Jewish Traditions And Other Commandments of Men!

……This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. –Matt.15:8-9


HE GAVE A NEW COMMANDMENT, BASED ON HIS TWO SUMMARY OF THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT!

...A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another -John 13:34

...But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

-Matt.22:34-40

-Peace.

In relation to the statement I crossed out, are you now implying that Christ at some point in his life on earth lied? According to you Mathew 5:17 was because they were trying to arrest him.

Hah! Nothing wey person no go hear.

These so called Christians with their Contradictions.

O ga o.

torres89:


first u need to understand the definition of christainity...

which is followers of Christ

most of the practice in the Bible were cultural practice of the Jews most especially in the old testament.

in a nut shell if you are doing anything that Jesus Christ didn't say in the new testament

my brother u ain't a Christian

no prejudice

so we shouldn't do what Paul or the other apostles said?
forgetting that the word christains was coined during the time of apostle paul.

torres89:


he came to fulfill the words of the prophets...

Isaiah preached the coming of our about a many many years before he was born​

the coming of Jesus just tells us God always keep to his words...

if Jesus Christ didn't abolish Jewish laws he won't have been killed...

so he actually came to change the law of the jews

Is Tithe not from the Old Testament? Why are they still collecting it? Old things have passed away except Tithe because its money.

EvilMetahuman:
Christianity is evolving just like everything else.
We have gay pastors now and people will see as normal thing in the next 50-100 years.
People will be defending them just like they are doing for women talking in church.

My brother The world of God standeth supreme come rain or Sun, the Lord destroyed soldom and gormorah because of gayism and lesbianism, why then will a man called by "God" be gay? It is a direct attack by the devil against the church no offence to Christians, most of them are lookwarms just going to church for going sake, you call yourself a Christian and you have never opened the book of the Lord to study, you call yourself a Christian and you have never fasted, ask a witch how much they prepare going to meeting everynight (i really Dont know sha but thanks to nollywood) how many Christians can go to church every day without complaining or grumblng. In a nutshell most Christians are religious not spiritual . thank you.

solid3:
I think the Bible is asking women not to mourmor in church but rather ask their husbands when the get home about anything they are not clear about. That's what Pastor Chris said.

Do not take Bible verses out of context, a verse may not be self explanatory except when read with the understanding of the proceeding verses.

Selah!

Lol, funny

blueseacats:
then how come 99% of the pastors won't let Malachi (Old Testament) rest? And moreover Corinthians is in the New Testament.

tnk u bro. and Jesus Christ who is the author and finisher of faith never preached tithe ooo.

You can not form doctrine from one scripture alone. Additionally, do not quote and interpret the Bible out of context. You need to understand the background to that scripture and support it with another before you conclude.

Joavid:


so we shouldn't do what Paul or the other apostles said?
forgetting that the word christains was coined during the time of apostle paul.

there comes a time in the Bible where we have to pick who to follow

I always choose to follow Christ, because am a Christian and that's what christainity teaches.

so I follow the way of Christ which was clearly stated in the Bible

Christ didn't say anything about women preaching in temple,

but Paul said something about it. it's difficult to understand St Paul's motive , but it's very easy to understand that of Christ which is LOVE

love conquers all...

let me ask u some questions

who would you pick first between Paul and Jesus Christ

if u read only the words of Jesus Christ only and follow his ways, then forget about the prophets and saints , will u still make heaven

uchemelvin20004:
Is Tithe not from the Old Testament? Why are they still collecting it? Old things have passed away except Tithe because its money.

lol

most teachings on tithe are false

we have so many fake and selfish pastors in our mist

Christ warned us about them

asuustrike2009:

That's Catholic doctrine? Why do you think we have reverend sisters were no strong biblical backing?

Are catholic not xtians?

Just look at the confused bunch
Arguing over fake things
You guys should get a life

Shafiiimran99:
Are catholic not xtians?

lolzzzzz. maybe he will say they are muslems