OAUTemitayo:
Nobody is sending them out of the place.
But when it comes to territorial jurisdiction, they must accept the lordship of the Itsekiris.
In the Bakassi case, Nigerians in Bakassi were giving the option of changing to Cameroonians or Nigerians.
Most moved to Nigeria while some accept Cameroon citizenship.
If Nigeria is to divide tomorrow and Itsekiris want to have their own country, who controls the land that courts of law has declared as Itsekiris land but presently leased by Urhobos?

Collyno82:
so this fratermathy wey dey make noise upandan self na stranger him be

fratermathy:


Yes, of course. I am a stranger. I am not even from Nigeria. I only come online and pretend to be an Urhobo and a Waffarian in order to spite people. Are you happy now?

DBriteLitehouse:
I know this thread will generate controversies.The Urhobos and Itsekiris have been neighbours doing well during the time of our ancestors.
But with the era of divide and rule politics,there is now bad blood between these two tribes.Since the Itsekiris are pan-Yorubas,they tend to be favoured in most court cases.
Warri as a city as we all know is made up of 3 tribes: the Ijaws,Itsekiris and Urhobos.
The issue of landlord and tenant is a recurring decimal between these 3 tribes.And most gullible Nigerians have been made to believe that Warri City is under the leadership of the Olu of Warri( it was Awolowo who changed the title to that in a bid to punish the Urhobos-as told by our parents).
The Itsekiris have strong affinity for watersides.Hence in time past,they migrated to Urhobo communities with watersides.And our ancestors did not have any problem in giving them land to settle.The Itsekiri settler were found then in Oghara-Agbarho and Evwewo-Agbarho( the Rewane family maternal family tree has a root in this village),Otokutu,Orhovworun,part of Uvwie just before Ugbomro,etc.If you go to Oghara-Agbarho,most names there are Itsekiri.All these happened because our ancestors were free people and open-minded.But this present day politics have turn the table around against us.Notwithstanding this,we present Urhobos are still accommodating as our ancestors and still see Itsekiris and Ijaws as our brothers and sisters.

The present day Warri is fast becoming a metropolis.Someone staying at Aladja,Ubeji,Ogbe-Ijoh can comfortably he is staying in Warri.

OP,thanks for this exposition

marcondo13:


Please,I will advice you to go and ask the oldest man in your community to tell you how Chief Dore sold lands belonging to both the Agbarha and Itsekiri people,because you are obviously out of touch with reality! Perhaps,you are too young to remember how the Olu's coronation anniversary was celebrated in Warri until the convoy was blocked at Ginuwa Junction,off Warri Sapele road,and all hell was broke lose! I was at the late Chief T.J. Sokoh's residence and watched the entire drama,which was the beginning of the Warri crisis. For all the so called vaunted Supreme Court victories,can you mention when was the last time that an Itsekiri boat regatta convoy crossed the NPA Expressway to Ibo Market,not to talk of crossing Okere Market? It is this type of asinine mentality that is making the Itsekiri race to now become a slave to the foreigners that they welcomed into Chevron Nigeria Limited,at the expense of their Ijaw and Urhobo brothers. They are now begging and protesting for regularisation of trained Itsekiri youth! Go to Oleri and Dibi fields and see non-Niger Deltans bouncing all over the place as engineers while Itsekiri graduates are patrolling the streets! Can they try that with the Ijaws?
For the records,during his presentation before the panel setup up to look into the first Warri crisis,the late Oroseun,Chief B.O. Okumagba aka "dry meat when dey full mouth" brought land documents of the current palace of the Olu at Ajamimogha,and averred that his family sold the piece of land where the palace was built,a claim that went unchallenged! He asked that the panel should mention a single kingdom anywhere in the world where land meant for the palace of a king is purchased from a tenant! He furthered asked the panel to ask the Olu to point the grave yard of any of his ancestor in Warri Metropolis,if he can! He said that he can point the graves of his lineage up to the grave of his father,Chief Eboh inside Warri Metropolis! As for court cases, I will advice you to seek out the profile of the Justices and check out their links to the Itsekiri people! When the Itsekiri people tried to test the resolve of the Okpe people by claiming Urhiapele which the British renamed SAPELE,why not mention how the case ended at the same Supreme Court when the Okpe people matched them with fire for fire, and connection for connection? Is it not a Nigerian court that said that James Ibori is not an ex-convict when the judge at the Bwari High Court,Abuja and the policemen attached to the court,all testified that they were present when he was convicted? Is it not a Nigerian court that said that Ibori was not an ex-convict when even a BBC documentary was aired with evidence of his conviction in UK? Na today na him yansh start to dey for back? Hisses and walk out of this thread!

darfay:
nawa for urhobo people they should have used their majority status to urhobonize warri and Delta state starting from udu,okpe,uvwie and the entire warri keeping in mind that the ijaws are quick to drop their language for a foreign one(bonny,okrika etc)

onuwaje:


Please read this up

http://www.waado.org/Organizations/UHS/WarriPeaceCongress/BackgroundPapers/ItekiriBackgroundPaper.html

Collyno82:
no wonder they say na stranger sabi do garagara pass. yes am happy now. wen are u guys returning the land una Urhobo lease from Itsekiri

onuwaje:


don't get me wrong sir

the reason i made mention of that is because it is only the Urhobos who are from Warri South can really give me convincing facts nothing more.

i am not sentimental in my judgements i just don't like when people bring hearsays or demsays into important issues.


just because i heard doesn't mean i have to conclude without listening to people from the source.



so my question goes to u

are u from Warri South LGA?

if yes signify cos i have important questions to ask cos i want to learn

OAUTemitayo:
This is the judgement of Justice Uwaifo on the Warri ownership status.

Justice Uwaifo, in Chief Augustus Osioh v. Anthony Idesoh (Suit No. W/101/73); a case between two Urhobos, discussed by E.O. Ekpoko at page 25 (chapter 2) of the book. According to Justice Uwaifo.

“There can be no doubt that the question of who are the owners of Agbassa, that is, all the villages including Igbudu, has been finally pronounced upon. It has always belonged to The Itsekiri People under the overlordship of the Olu of Warri and until recently, his successors-in-title. They (the Itsekiri) have always been overlords and the people of Agbassa have always been tenants. Any other person living in Igbudu or any part of Agbassa except an Itsekiri is a tenant

fratermathy:


Try and substantiate some of your claims of ownership so that an educative argumentation can be provoked.

OAUTemitayo:
So you mean if I lease land from you, my great-grandchildren can make a claim that they are the rightful owners of the land.
Does time erode the ownership of an item?
How do you expect the Nigerian government to accept the fact that oil belongs to Nigerdelta when you people deliberately choose which court judgement to accept and ignore?
You wonder why Hausas has the affront to declare that oil in Nigeria Delta belongs to them?
Its because Urhobos also believed that a land their grandparents leased belonged to them because they have been there for a long time

OAUTemitayo:
You are deceiving yourself.
So because they don't pay rents again the land automatically belongs to them?
So Ibos that bought land in Lagos will claim ownership of land will Aworis, Egbas and Ijebus?
This is the joke.
As for archives, I propose we use judicial archives as it more acceptable (to sane people) and undeniable.
Here I come with judicial archives all the way from Warri high court to the Privy council in London.
You go tire today.

fratermathy:


I can't counter what I can't verify. This is not an issue of oil or whatever. There is no vendetta here. I believe we are all having a productive argument, except if you are taking it personal.

Let us verify the judicial precedents from a source that is not an Itsekiri or Urhobo blog! Anyone can put up anything there and say whatever and if those precedents are true, then on what basis are Urhobos still occupying those areas, even with their own monarchies?

Fearlez:
Lolz, the dude says court rulings are not objective enough and wants you to site journals which are like blogs in hard copy.

Never seen a self-deceptive lots like urhobos

karnivorous:
the only bonafide itsekiri community in warri township is ugbuwangue; okere, ajamimogha was lease to them by the okumagba family... merogun land was bought merogun himself... Alders town was seized by the governor of the district and defacto olu of itsekiri dore numa... even where the palace is situated on URHOBO land whom the olu pay rent to the okumagbas till date

subsurface:


My questions as a ex warri resident are
(1)"if the itsekiri claims to own warri city, how come their King/Olu doesn't have authority over 60-70% of the city?

subsurface:


(2) why is it that 90% of warri pikin slang has urhobo language but not itsekiri or ijaw...?

subsurface:


Lastly I believe that court cases favoured the itsekiri because of their language closeness to Yoruba and their educational literacy..

Efewestern:
Warri is located in Delta State, Nigeria, and is the economic nerve of the state. Warri is to the Urhobo/isoko, itsekiri and ijaw what Lagos is to Yoruba although both cities like every other cities in Nigeria are overrated.  Warri houses an annexe of the Delta State Government House. Most importantly, Warri is known for crude-oil production as it houses many of the oil companies operating in the region, thus earning the name of "oil-city". 

Warri is one of the most popular and densely populated areas in Nigeria. It is known for its unique brand of Nigerian Pidgin which has almost become creolized in the city.

The city is home to three major ethnicities: the Urhobo, Itsekiri and the Ijaw. This write-up, without further ado, will examine the dynamics of Warri City and establish its difference from the Warri Kingdom, which many people often regard as one and the same due to the naming.

Warri City

Warri City evolved from a small GRA in Agbassa area of Warri, built by the colonial masters who wanted to set up a district for the surrounding riverine and hinterland people. With the setting up of the colonial district and GRA in Warri, there was a massive influx of natives and foreigners in the new city. This influx created a "land race" between the ethnic groups in the area and set the pace for one of the most asked questions in the region: "Who owns Warri?". 

The modern warri is largely made up of Urhoboland, with some parts of Itsekiriland. The cosmopolitan warri is 80% Urhoboland (extending to Delta Central LGAs such as Uvwie, Udu and Okpe). Traditional urhobo homesteads in warri include: Otovwodo, Ejeba, parts of Okere, Ugberikoko, Ogunu, Iyara, etc. while itsekiri areas in warri include Upper and Lower Erejuwa, parts of Okere, Ugbuwanugue, parts of Alder's town, NPA area, etc .

Warri Kingdom

The traditional "warri " is an Itsekiri enclave and the name is derived from the itsekiri word "Iwerre", right from the colonial time the itsekiri usually refers to their land as "Iwerre" or "Warri Kingdom" which is been headed by the "OLU" (LORD of all Iwerre land), it should be noted here that the Olu of warri has no influence over urhobo land or Ijaw land in warri .

The city of warri is fast developing and one should expect that in the next 15 yrs we should be on the same league with Lagos and abuja, warri has all what it takes to be the dubai of Nigeria, apart from her huge natural resources there are other potential if well harnessed will bring a huge development to warri, the warri port comes to mind.

Fearlez:
As an old Warri from Nana primary school, I will tell you urhobo population soars like cattles in a breeding grown as the average urhobo man without a job has 3 wives with children roaming the unpaved streets in Okumagba layout with a slackened dirty pants hanging loosely by the waist. These urhobos also resist the authority of Warri South local government. I did enumeration and tenement rate after secondary school and if urhobos sight you with a bill from the local government, you were beaten up.
The slangs are from homes with little or no education and gutter upbringing with little priority for sound English. Urhobos constitute the vast majority of these. Even till today, they are the most unlettered in delta state. You should have asked how the town Warri is an itsekiri word and how the British sought lease of the land from itsekiris and not urhobos

You believe the court cases were doctored? You're rejecting truth for sentiments.

Characteristically urhobo!

fratermathy:


I am glad you are. Direct your question to Urhobo people. Better still, make a request to Itsekiris to drive them away once and for all.

Fearlez:
Lolz, the dude says court rulings are not objective enough and wants you to site journals which are like blogs in hard copy.

Never seen a self-deceptive lots like urhobos

Fearlez:


Lolz, what you are witnessing is a typical urhobos cunning and deceit. We in Warri know urhobos are tenants and settlers.

The boys you're debating with are known to me for trying to rewrite the history of Warri and Delta state ilon the pages of Nairaland but have been failing.

I read here when one said he was banned when he attempted to name villages in Warri? He meant urhobo villages! What audacity!!! He was promptly banned for posting wrong information here.

Emassive:
Biased Urhobo boy still contradicting yourself in the process... WARRI is an Itsekiri Town while They gave Sapele to the Pipe/Urhobo ...... Why do you guys still wish to drag nonsense

Efewestern:


How is sepele not an urhobo land ?, what language did they speak there, sapele remains an urhobo land whether you like it or not.

you could as well point out where I was bias on the post. am waiting.

Collyno82:
I will transmit a letter to DAT effect. but wait ooh, are u still enjoying ur stay there as a tenant?

fratermathy:


Oniovo, ignore that guy. He doesn't want to argue. He's here with a clear vendetta against Urhobos. Just don't let him derail your thread. That dude is not an Itsekiri. He's an IPOB youth. He's only trying to sow a seed of discord because Urhobos said we don't want Biafra. Try and report his posts since you are the Op.

Cc:
Mynd44

Please review the posts of Fea.rlez on this thread.

Fearlez:
You never asked the op to substantiate the hogwash he wrote up there!

Urhobos are noise makers and babies in politics. You claim to have 80% of land in cosmopolitan Warri and "little" itsekiri is always beating you in politics and brute warfare