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Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by oaroloye(m): 7:20pm On Aug 03, 2017
THE WAIT:
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I was already feeling unwell by the time I joined the queue.
Eventually,we were carted to another tent and made to seat down for 2 hours waiting for the permits to be issued.
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Suddenly a voice boomed out from the public address intercom in the hall and instructed foreign visitors/delegates to move to the left side of the hall,and present their ID cards for reception.

This is what JAMES was talking about.
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I was seated conversing with my mother when one dehydrated-looking male Usher walks up to me and lightly taps my shoulder,I swivel my neck around to him,and he asks me whether I heard the announcement.
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I rooster my head quizzically at him,and he asks whether I'm Nigerian.I am recoiling my tongue in to mouth out some sarcastic retort at the rude clown when my mum intervenes laughing convivially and telling him that she's my mother and I live in Nigeria.

I get this a lot, myself.

Local people are very low in intellect, and their puny minds cannot accommodate the POSSIBILITY that someone who LOOKS or SOUNDS different MIGHT STILL BE FROM OUR COUNTRY.

There are 250 Ethic Groups in Nigeria- and someone can tell from my ACCENT, or my CLOTHES, or my COMPLEXION, that I CAN'T POSSIBLY cone from ANY one of THEM
.
Stale little prick deliberately ignores my mother and repeats his question to me.
I take a deep breath and bluntly tell him to go and anoint someone else with his mouth odour.I remind him that it's only about 7am and my lungs deserve better.

. MATTHEW 5:38-48.

38. "Ye have heard
that it hath been said,


'AN EYE FOR AN EYE,
AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH:'


39. "But I say unto you,

'THAT YE RESIST NOT EVIL:
BUT WHOSOEVER SHALL SMITE THEE
ON THY RIGHT CHEEK,
TURN TO HIM
THE OTHER ALSO.'


40. "And if any man
will sue thee at the Law,
and take away thy coat,
let him have thy cloke also.
41. "And whosoever shall compel thee
to go a mile,
go with him twain.
42. "Give to him that asketh thee,
and from him that would
borrow of thee
turn not thou away.
43. "Ye have heard that it hath been said,


'THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR,
AND HATE THINE ENEMY.'


44. "But I say unto you,

'LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU,
DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU,
AND PRAY FOR THEM
WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU,
AND PERSECUTE YOU;'


45. "That ye may be The Children
of your Father Which is in Heaven:
for He maketh His Sun to rise
on the Evil and on the Good,
and sendeth rain on the Just
and on the Unjust.
46. "For if ye love them which love you,
what Reward have ye?
Do not even the publicans the same?
47. "And if ye salute your Brethren only,
what do ye more than others?
Do not even the publicans so?
48. "Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father
Which is in Heaven is Perfect."


I MARVEL THAT SO MANY CALL THEMSELVES "CHRISTIANS," BUT THINK THEMSELVES EXEMPT FROM ACTUALLY PRACTICING CHRISTIANITY.

You managed to react to EVERY LAST OFFENSIVE THING about this person, while SHINING ZERO LIGHT-OF-THE-GOSPEL toward HIM.

THAT is NOT remarkable.

What IS remarkable is HOW FEW HERE diagnose your SERIOUS SPIRITUAL. PROBLEM: i.e. YOU WERE NEVER SAVED.
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Dude obviously didn't see that coming.
He stands there like the confounded dolt he is,blinking his eyes methodically and saying,'EXCUSE ME?' on a loop.
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Momma is trying to pacify and mediate or explain or whatever when the announcement on the buzzer summons us all to re-queue for our passes.I help momma up and we begin to trudge towards the sea of bodies heading west.I think the Usher is explaining something to his colleague and pointing at me,but I am past caring at this point.

I BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY IN THIS LINE OF WORK IS CAREFULLY INSTRUCTED TO BE CAREFUL OF INSULTS, AND NOT TO BE OFFENDED BY THEM.

I therefore do not believe there is any Ministry of THIS Stature (despite that I TOTALLY DESPISE IT,) that can use Workers like this.
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SECURITY HARRASSMENT AND SEGREGATION:
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So we've obtained the passes and are queueing up again to enter the church from the rear wing and join the worshippers.Men and women are sorted into 2 separate rows where they are thoroughly frisked,and searched before being allowed entry.
My driver is right behind me on the queue,and as the person ahead of me steps into the church entrance archway to be cleared,I overhear the security man asking him where his copy of the 'service guide' or booklet is.He says he doesn't have one and is shabbily asked to step back and return to the tents to buy one before he is allowed entry.
The man starts to explain that he doesn't have extra cash except his offering and tithe,but the bouncer won't hear any of it.
He gruffly and impatiently asks the man to step away from the line and not waste the time of others,that nobody without the booklet will be allowed into the church.
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I step in to be cleared,and instantly,the head security personnel who is standing a little way off and observing the clearing process rushes forward and takes it up from the bouncer assigned to me.
He(Head security) doesn't notice that I have a Nigerian flag clutched under my bible,and asks me what country I am from,that I should be on the queue for the foreign delegates.
.
He looks pretty important,so I patiently show him my flag and tell him I came from Nigeria.
Head security seems to have a problem believing this because he keeps staring at my hair.
Next he asks me where exactly in Nigeria,and I tell him Lagos city.He asks where in Lagos city,and I ask him how that piece of information helps or relates to the exercise on ground?Was there a problem?I came to your church for the first time and I'm being interrogated like a Boko Haram suspect?I frankly tell him that I do not appreciate the unnecessary questions and whether I should return to my car and go home?
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A few back-and-forths and I'm through and into the hallway corridor that meanders into the expansive church auditorium.
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Meanwhile,Dominic my driver has been asked to step aside for more questioning.He is asked all sorts of demeaning questions,and scrutinized like a homeless drunk who mistakenly stumbled into their church.The security personnel asks me to move on and join the church leaving my driver to probably be escorted out of the premises into a black-Maria.
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I am livid at this point.I walk back to the personnel-in-charge,and ask him why my personal driver is being humiliated that way.It is obvious that people are profiled and accorded respect based on how expensive their clothes looked,and it stunk.
It was apparent that the poor man that drove me down was being looked down on because he probably wasn't dressed in Gucci designers and expensive accessories.
.
Eventually,we were let through and joined the line of people hurrying to another dedicated tent for new-comers beside the main church building.
I was aghast.
Sweated,queued,endured rudeness from ill-mannered church staff....and still not qualified to sit in the church at the end of the day?
.
I was numb.
Sat down in the tent with my driver battling dejection,and dialled my momma's number to know where she was.We hadn't seen ourselves since we were separated.I was worried how she was faring in the midst of such hostile staff and scathing rudeness.I looked around.
.
There was not a single usher in the tent to ask for help or any assistance whatsoever.We were bundled like unwanted rags,shoved into a tent and totally forgotten.
All we had were the flat-screen plasmas which televised the Live service in the church auditorium.
.
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER
.
It is so sad the horrible ways church workers can kill a pastor's labour.
.
Most of the criticisms,and attacks that Christian churches and pastors receive is largely because of these workers.
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They do all manner of despicable things under the umbrella of the church,embarrass and snob new-comers,extort money from gullible first-timer's without the pastor's knowledge and so on.
.
Let's look at a few specific grey areas in my Synagogue church experience.
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(1) Rudeness:

Nigerians are generally very uncivil people.The worst thing that a person can witness is people who were charged with welcoming new-comers to a church turning around and being rude to them.
It is shocking to see a beautiful global ministry like Synagogue church of all nations having such horrible workers strategically placed to receive first-timers.Gauging from what we see on TV,this indeed is an obstinate surprise.
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(2) Racial segregation:

The racial segregation in S.C.O.A.N is jaw-dropping.Foreign delegate new-comers are treated like royalty,but Nigerians are treated like the sopping scum of the earth.
So heart-wrenching it is because foreigners treat Nigerians like scum in their own countries,and when we think we can fall back to our own people for more humane treatment,we receive the same treatment from our people.
How distasteful to note that this sickening trend can gain entry into the church as well.
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(3) Condemnatory treatment:

Imagine the incident where the lady was embarrassed and sent back because of her supposed shortness of skirt.
Who gave these people the right to dictate who comes into the Lord's house and who does not?Where do these workers pick up such satanic traits?
Even the bible clearly beckons on sinners to come as they are.In their rags,in their G-strings,in their mini-skirts,in their slim-fit trousers.It is an unforgivable abomination to drive away a new-comer from church on the grounds that he/she was inappropriately dressed.
.
A church isn't a place for just the perfect.
a Church should be a place to make the imperfect to be perfect.
. Jesus never died for the perfect.It is for the imperfect that he sacrificed his life on the cross.
.
(4) Shabby dressing of staff,shabby treatment of invitees and poor ushering structures generally:
I detest seeing people in administrative positions dressing carelessly.One of the reasons I love Christ Embassy church is because of their articulate well-structured system and discipline.
Ushers are neatly suited up with tags,the royal guards,and logistics crew are properly dressed with labels as their departments require.There is an usher on every bend to direct new-comers on where to sit,and so on.
.
But not in Synagogue.
.
Staff dress in a disorderly array of casual wears,fly their shirts,chew bubble-gums noisily,wear black gloves like snipers and carry no legible form of identification whatsoever.Plus there aren't any positioned to attend to newcomers and direct and assist them accordingly.
First-timers are abandoned to wander like lost sheep in the premises while the staff stand by to watch in indifferent disinterest---their attentions only being drawn when they wander into some 'special' room,and the ushers have to yell at the poor trespassing soul to get out or be thrown out by security.
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Of course,they never fail to remember these 'unimportant newbies' when it's offering time,and emerge from the bowels of the earth like evil spirits wielding bottomlessly deep offering-bags and basins--to vanish mysteriously again after you've outlived your monetary usefulness.
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(5) Security harrassment,disrespect to elders and humiliating 'clearance methods':

I literally watched as a woman in her 80s was rudely warned to desist from coming to a particular section or else she'd be thrown outside.The lady warning her couldn't be up to 27.
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Additionally,no metal-detecting scanners,or bomb threat security measures are taken before admitting people in.
The security personnel simply frisk people roughly in an undignifying manner and shove them inside.Your 'sacred areas' are roughed-up,and your spirits are shattered.
Then brutish-looking policemen are standing by ready to drag you to their van if you don't cooperate.
.
The entire staff work-force,or would I say--manpower of the church stand around scowling coldly at new-comers with seething and hateful suspicion as if they received intel that they came to cart away the loudspeakers and offering bags.
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I saw these and more...and I groaned inwardly.
.
I am very sure that Pastor TB Joshua is not aware of these horrible 'misdemeanours' from the workers under him,and it saddens me to know that he may never know because these malevolent humans will ensure word never reaches him.
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I can only sit and hope that a few of his members stumble on this rant of mine and relay it to his executive council or him in person.
.
Prophet TB Joshua is a great Man of God with a true heart of love for the sick and needy,and God is blessing millions through him....
.
...but he needs to call his workers to order.
.
Dear church worker in Redeemed,Synago
gue,Living Faith,Chosen,Assemblies of God etc,..
.
You think you are superior and loftier because you were placed in a prominent point of service,don't you?
.
HEAR THIS...

If these souls you embarrass and discourage from coming into church go to hell because of your sauciness and insolence;and you believe they are condemned to hell for being hopeless sinners---don't get it twisted.
If these people wind up going to hell,you too will earn a luxury villa in hell as well next to Sani Abacha's duplex.
Heaven will never condone your vile stench.You are every bit as hopeless as them,and then kilograms more wicked!
.
You people should stop giving men of God a bad name because of your evil and unruly characters.
How and why would you turn away a first-timer from church?
Is the church your father's compound?
Who gave you that right?
.
Are you mad,for sanity's sake?
.
Nigerians.
.
.
. (Ivan The Terrible)

WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, IS:

"HAVE YOU WRITTEN TO TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA WITH ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS, BEFORE AIRING THEM PUBLICLY?"


One of L. RON HUBBARD'S SCIENTOLOGY Doctrines is that the inevitable complaints about his Church Members must be addressed to a Specific Officer, AND THE PERSON COMPLAINED-AGAINST, AT THE SAME TIME.

This aids the Mediation process.

If the person complained against does not get their Copy, the Complaint is invalidated.
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by oaroloye(m): 7:36am On Aug 04, 2017
SHALOM!

emmydadave:



I wonder why that church does not have branch churches like the others.

It is a ONE-MAN SHOW that promotes ONE MAN ONLY- who is NOT Lord Yahshua.
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by segunojo866: 11:16am On Aug 04, 2017
False churches is the major problem Nigeria is facing.
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by Kobicove(m): 4:02pm On Aug 04, 2017
Religion is indeed big business in Africa grin
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by oaroloye(m): 11:49am On Aug 05, 2017
SHALOM!

Martinez19:
you and oaroloye ehn, why do you call him bronchitis? grin

His illicit Master calls himself "T.B. JOSHUA," so I call him "TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA."

SCIENCEWATCH has like a pre-teen Emotional Maturity, and has no regard for the Lord's Commandments:


. MATTHEW 18:15-35.

15. "Moreover if thy Brother
shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault
between thee and him alone:
if he shall hear thee,
thou hast gained thy Brother.
16. "But if he will not hear thee,
then take with thee one or two more,


'THAT IN THE MOUTH
OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES
EVERY WORD
MAY BE ESTABLISHED.'


17. "And if he shall neglect to hear them,
tell it unto the Church:
but if he neglect to hear the Church,
let him be unto thee
as an Heathen man and a Publican.
18. "Verily I say unto you,


'WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
BIND ON EARTH
SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN:
AND WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
LOOSE ON EARTH
SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.'


19. "Again I say unto you,

'THAT IF TWO OF YOU
SHALL AGREE ON EARTH
AS TOUCHING ANY THING
THAT THEY SHALL ASK,
IT SHALL BE DONE FOR THEM
OF MY FATHER
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.'


20. "For where two or three
are gathered together in my Name,
there am I in the midst of them.

21 Then came Peter to him,
and said,

"Lord, how oft shall my Brother Sin against me,
nd I forgive him?
Till seven times?""

22. Jesus saith unto him,

"I say not unto thee,


'UNTIL SEVEN TIMES:'

but,

'UNTIL SEVENTY TIMES SEVEN.'

23. "Therefore is the Kingdom of Heaven
likened unto a certain king,
which would take account of his servants.
24. "And when he had begun to reckon,
one was brought unto him,
which owed him ten thousand talents.
25. "But forasmuch as he had not to pay,
his lord commanded him to be sold,
and his wife,
and children,
and all that he had,
and payment to be made.
26. "The servant therefore fell down
and worshipped him,
saying,


'LORD, HAVE PATIENCE WITH ME,
AND I WILL PAY THEE ALL.'


27. "Then the lord of that servant
was moved with compassion,
and loosed him,
and forgave him the debt.
28. "But the same servant went out,
and found one of his fellowservants,
which owed him an hundred pence:
and he laid hands on him,
and took him by the throat,
saying,


'PAY ME THAT THOU OWEST.'

29. "And his fellowservant fell down at his feet,
and besought him,
saying,


'HAVE PATIENCE WITH ME,
AND I WILL PAY THEE ALL.'


30. "And he would not:
but went and cast him into Prison,
till he should pay the Debt.
31. "So when his fellowservants
saw what was done,
they were very sorry,
and came and told unto their lord
all that was done.
32. "Then his lord,
after that he had called him,
said unto him,


'O THOU WICKED SERVANT,
I FORGAVE THEE ALL THAT DEBT,
BECAUSE THOU DESIREDST ME:
33. 'SHOULDEST NOT THOU
ALSO HAVE HAD COMPASSION
ON TNY FELLOWSERVANT,
EVEN AS I HAD PITY ON THEE?'


34. "And his lord was wroth,
and delivered him to the Tormentors,
till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35. "So likewise shall my Heavenly Father
do also unto you,
if ye from your hearts
forgive not every one his brother
their trespasses."


. MARK 11:12-14, 20-26.

12 And on the morrow,
when they had come from Bethany,
he was hungry:

13 and seeing a fig tree
afar off having leaves,
he went to see if perhaps
he might find any thing thereon:
But when he came to it
he found nothing but leaves;
for the time for figs was not (yet).

14. And Jesus answered
and said unto it,

“Let no man
eat fruit of thee hereafter
for ever.”

And His Disciples heard (it).
20 And in the morning,
as they passed by,
they saw the fig tree
dried up from the roots.
21. And Peter,
calling to remembrance
saith unto him,

“Master, behold,
the fig tree which thou cursedst
is withered away.”
22. And Jesus answering,
said unto them,
“Have Faith in God.
23. "For verily I say unto you,


'THAT WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
UNTO THIS MOUNTAIN,


"BE THOU REMOVED,
AND BE THOU CAST INTO THE SEA;'


AND SHALL NOT
DOUBT IN HIS HEART,
BUT SHALL BELIEVE
THAT THOSE THINGS
WHICH HE SAITH
SHALL COME TO PASS;
HE SHALL HAVE
WHATSOEVER HE SAITH.'[/i
]


24. "Therefore I say unto you,

[i]'WHAT THINGS SOEVER YE DESIRE,
WHEN YE PRAY,
BELIEVE THAT YE RECEIVE (THEM),
AND YE SHALL HAVE (THEM).'


25. "And when ye stand praying,
forgive, if ye have aught against any,
that your Father also
which is in Heaven
may forgive you your trespasses.
26. "But if ye do not forgive,
neither will your Father
Which is in Heaven
forgive your trespasses.”


....so he has to reply every perceived insult, so he calls ME "BRONCHITIS."

Does this not illustrate your Fake Question of that time, MARTINEZ19?

THOSE WHO FALSELY BOAST OF BEING CHRISTIANS ALWAYS FAIL THE FUNDAMENTAL REQUIREMENT FOR SALVATION.


Therefore, they become PRISONERS OF FEAR, unable to PROGRESS.

Unable to LEAVE the FALSE MASTERS who are HOLDING THEM BACK.

Unable to CONFESS THEIR SIGNIFICANT SINS to GOD OR MAN.

.. 1st JOHN 4:15-5.

15. Whosoever shall confess that

"JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD,"

16. And we have known and believed
The Love that God hath to us.
God is Love;
and he that dwelleth in Love dwelleth in God,
and God in him.
17. Herein is our Love made perfect,
that we may have boldness
in The Day of Judgment:
because as he is,
so are we in this World.
18. There is no fear in Love;
but Perfect Love casteth out Fear:
because Fear hath Torment.
He that Feareth is not made Perfect in Love.
19. We Love him,
because he first loved us.
20. If a man say,

[color=#006600]"I LOVE GOD,"


and hateth his Brother,
he is a liar:
or he that loveth not his Brother
whom he hath seen,
how can he love God
Whom he hath not seen?
21. And this Commandment
have we from him,


"THAT HE WHO LOVETH GOD
LOVE HIS BROTHER ALSO."


WHOSOEVER believeth that

"JESUS IS THE CHRIST"

is Born of God:
and every one that loveth
Him that Begat
loveth him also
that is Begotten of Him.
2. By this we know
that we love The Children of God,


"WHEN WE LOVE GOD,
AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS."


3. For this is The Love of God,

"THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS:"

and His Commandments
are not grievous.
4. For whatsoever is Born of God
Overcometh the World:
and this is The Victory
that Overcometh the World,


"(EVEN) OUR FAITH."

5. Who is he that Overcometh the World,
but he that believeth
that Jesus is The Son of God?


CHRISTIANS OF FALSE CHURCHES MAY TALK BIG, BUT THEY ARE TORMENTED BY FEAR, AND CANNOT FORGIVE THOSE WHOM THEY SIN AGAINST. Therefore, they are PRISONERS in that state.
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by gwama: 4:33pm On Aug 05, 2017
SELFmade7:
The past 5 Sundays I've been going to synagogue church, I never experienced such, the first day I got to the church, I paid agboro guys 500 to park ma car,



I was asked if am a new comer I told them, they directed me to the tent where we all waited to be given the pass, the. We move on to collect another pass then enter the main church at op theres not special place for new comers sir, am sorry maybe you met different kind of people that day sha, or depends on ya attitude towards them too, you can't expect them to be worshiping you bro, I've not come across all these you're saying





Sorry about that bro,


You are lucky, because I know very well the attitude of these "bad dogs" of SCOAN. All that is said by Ivan is true, these "bad dogs" said ushers are really rude, ill-bred, no respect for SCOAN visitors, if only for their VIP guests. angry angry
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by gwama: 4:46pm On Aug 05, 2017
OvaSabi1:
Most people who go to the church are desperate looking for solutions to their problems. That is the reason for the shakara and why you were treated like that.

Is it for this reason that they should be treated badly? Especially in a church that says God These famous ushers are closer to satan than to God. cry cry
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by ScienceWatch: 4:38pm On Aug 10, 2017
oaroloye:


This is what JAMES was talking about.
.I get this a lot, myself. Local people are very low in intellect, and their puny minds cannot accommodate the POSSIBILITY that someone who LOOKS or SOUNDS different MIGHT STILL BE FROM OUR COUNTRY.

You managed to react to EVERY LAST OFFENSIVE THING about this person, while SHINING ZERO LIGHT-OF-THE-GOSPEL toward HIM. THAT is NOT remarkable. What IS remarkable is HOW FEW HERE diagnose your SERIOUS SPIRITUAL. PROBLEM: i.e. YOU WERE NEVER SAVED.
I BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY IN THIS LINE OF WORK IS CAREFULLY INSTRUCTED TO BE CAREFUL OF INSULTS, AND NOT TO BE OFFENDED BY THEM.

I therefore do not believe there is any Ministry of THIS Stature (despite that I TOTALLY DESPISE IT,) that can use Workers like this.

WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW, IS:

"HAVE YOU WRITTEN TO TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA WITH ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS, BEFORE AIRING THEM PUBLICLY?"


One of L. RON HUBBARD'S SCIENTOLOGY Doctrines is that the inevitable complaints about his Church Members must be addressed to a Specific Officer, AND THE PERSON COMPLAINED-AGAINST, AT THE SAME TIME.

This aids the Mediation process. If the person complained against does not get their Copy, the Complaint is invalidated.
I notice you were very crafty in your response to the complaints against the mighty SCOAN church Nigeria, pastor Bronchitis. But your subtle deception is noted.

1) First you pour out the honey.
2) Then you BAG your prey for Satanic Criminal Scientology by holding out your masters doctrines.
3) You appear offended by the complainants obvious respect toward the holy prophet TB Joshua.
4) I notice how you activated your massive smoke screen made out of Holy scriptures to deceive your prey.

It is common knowledge that your lord [/b]and Master L.Ron Hubbard is a convicted criminal and escaped custody by cowardly fleeing.

[b]Pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye,
Please dont ask me again me for proof, because this time I will post more than 200 successful criminal cases against Scientology.

Rather learn from your evil Master L.Ron Hubbard's own son as he advises, "The key to sorting someone’s doubts out about Scientology is L. Ron Hubbard," says DeWolf, "He is ‘source,’ ‘cause,’ ‘creator,’ and ‘founder,’ Lay the true and actual man and his past out and the ‘foundation’ falls apart. Scientology is based on fiction, there’s no need to argue or even debate."
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by chiamaka4g: 7:38am On Sep 21, 2017
Rubbish
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I am a Born Again, Full Gospel Pentecostal Christian, unaffiliated with any species of Organized Christianity whatsoever.

I am no fan of TEMITOPE BALOGUN JOSHUA, nor his SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATIONS- on the contrary, I find them disgusting.

I demand that they repent forthwith.

Otherwise, they will wish they had listened to me, when it was painless.

Of course I had to be interested in your Post, given its title.

I was rather disappointed by the account, given the propaganda on how great the Ministry is.

I knew that I was being lied to the whole time: I just never believed that it would be this bad.

TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA is really much weaker than I could have imagined, if this is how he permits his staff to behave toward visitors.



This is why I wrote THIS Post, about the PREREQUISITE REQUIREMENTS TO BIBLE DISCUSSION.

WHO are you, and what are you doing in a Church?

You're NOT a Christian.

I mean, that you are not a Disciple of the Lord Yahshua (there was no letter "J" until about 400 years ago. No way was his Name ever "JESUS."wink

So, why go to a Church at all?

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The Lord EXPLICITLY COMMANDED:

. MATTHEW 24:3-5.

3. And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives,
the Disciples came unto him privately,
saying,

"Tell us, when shall these things be?
and what shall be
The Sign of thy Coming,
and of The End of the World?"

4. And Jesus answered
and Said unto them,

"Take heed that no man deceive you.
5. "For many shall come in my Name,
saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many."


. MATTHEW 24:21-26.

21. "For then shall be Great Tribulation,
such as was not since
the Beginning of the World
to this time,
no, nor ever shall be.
22. "And except those days
should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved:
but for the Elect's sake
those days shall be shortened.
23. "Then if any man shall say unto you,


'LO, HERE IS CHRIST, OR THERE;'

believe it not.

24. "For there shall arise False Christs,
and False Prophets,
and shall shew Great Signs and Wonders;
insomuch that,
if it were possible,
they shall deceive the very Elect.
25. "Behold, I have told you before.
26. "Wherefore if they shall say unto you,


'BEHOLD, HE IS IN THE DESERT;'

go not forth:

'BEHOLD, HE IS IN THE SECRET CHAMBERS;'

Believe it not."

THE LORD SAID:

1. People who say that HE is the Christ are DECEIVERS.

2. Do not go to places that say that they have "CHRIST" there.

When you DISOBEY these Teachings, WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS?

Are you going to meet GOD, or are you going to meet SATAN?

. AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"


SO YOU DO NOT RESPECT THE TEACHINGS OF THE LORD, AND YOU ARE GOING TO A PLACE WHERE THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE TEACHINGS OF THE LORD: WHAT BAD THING COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN?

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe,
that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father, Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master, even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up The Kingdom of Heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the Child of Hell than yourselves."


RIGHT AS SOON AS YOU CHOSE TO FOLLOW A MAN WHO EXALTS HIMSELF ABOVE HIS SUPPOSED BRETHREN, YOU STUCK BOTH FEET IN IT, AND IT BECAME YOUR RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO INDULGE IN REGRETS, ONCE YOU REAPED THE FULL FRUITS OF THE DEVIL'S ORCHARD YOUR STROLLED INTO.

You must have been one Hell of a crybaby, growing up.



My second boss at work, back in the day, was into ROSICRUCIAN A.M.O.R.C., and had their magazine. They have these bon mots after every article- like in READER'S DIGEST, and he had me calligraph some for him, so he could post them up as decorations. T remember one of them:

[center]"ONLY A FOOL
TESTS THE DEPTH
OF THE WATER
WITH BOTH FEET!"
- African Proverb.[/center]


You've never been to this... guy's Church before; you have no idea of the conditions- what facilities they have- except that his building contractor evidently went to the same Architects' College as that of DEREK ZOOLANDER.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6DwUoqzaeI

SO, WHAT DO YOU DO? Invite your MOTHER, too!

Did this really happen?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/5758823_memedoesntmakesensejackychan001_jpegada36dc89302ee3259812bbce16aac54

This is stretching my Suspension of Disbelief Capability- and I'm a SCI-FI Fan!



.. MATTHEW 5:1-16.

AND seeing the multitudes,
he went up into a mountain:
and when he was set,
his Disciples came unto him:
2. And he opened his mouth,
and Taught them,
Saying,

3. "Blessed are the Poor in Spirit:
for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
4. "Blessed are they that mourn:
for they shall be comforted.
5. "Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the Earth.
6. Blessed are they which do
Hunger and Thirst after Righteousness:
for they shall be filled.

13. "Ye are the Salt of the Earth:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be salted?
It is thenceforth good for nothing,
but to be cast out,
and to be trodden under foot of men.

16. "Let your light so shine
before men,
that they may see
your Good Works,
and glorify your Father
Which is in Heaven."


. MATTHEW 6:19-24.

19. "Lay not up for yourselves
Treasures upon Earth,
where moth and rust doth corrupt,
and where Thieves
break through and Steal:

24. "No man can serve two masters:
for either
he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


. LUKE 6:20-26.

20. And he lifted up his eyes
on his Disciples,
and Said,
"Blessed be ye Poor:
for yours is
The Kingdom of God.

24. "But woe unto you
that are rich!
For ye have received
your Consolation.
25. "Woe unto you that are full!
For ye shall hunger.
Woe unto you that laugh now!
For ye shall mourn and weep."


Ah. RICH FOOLS.

You idiots invariably think that you can BUY YOUR WAY INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. You usually think that you are Saved, BECAUSE YOU PAID SOME FOOL TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE SAVED.

It doesn't work like that.

To for a rich person to enter into The Kingdom of Heaven, is like trying to pass a ROPE through the eye of a NEEDLE [Aramaic: GAMLA = "CAMEL," and "ROPE." When The Gospel was translated into GREEK, Yahshua's PUN was lost.]
.


Those who do not live in Nigeria might not be aware that 5:30am is BEFORE DAYBREAK.

Who drags their mother out of bed to get to Church at 5 in the morning?

Who can get up that early to go to Church, and not be a BELIEVER IN THE GOSPEL TEACHINGS of the Lord?

Yet, negative-miraculously, this is what happens.

IF THIS IS WHAT CHURCH WORKERS ENDURE, NO WONDER THEY HAVE TO THINK THEIR WORKS ARE RECOGNIZED BY GOD, AND THEY ARE SAVED!

They are NOT.

ALL their SELF-SACRIFICING HARD WORKS to make CAESAR great are WASTED and WORTHLESS!

That implies that what we are reading is in fact CREATIVE WRITING.
.


I ASSUME THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS MUST GO ON. BUT WITHOUT AUDIO AND VIDEO BACKING, THIS TESTIMONY IS WEAK.
.


Creative Writing.
.


Were you a CHRISTIAN, none of this would MATTER to you.
.


. JAMES 2:1-6.

MY Brethren,
have not the Faith of our Lord Jesus Christ,
The Lord of Glory,
with respect of persons.
2. For if there come unto your assembly
a man with a gold ring,
in goodly apparel,
and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
3. And ye have respect to him
that weareth the gay clothing,
and say unto him,


"SIT THOU HERE IN A GOOD PLACE;"

and say to the Poor,

"STAND THOU THERE,
OR SIT HERE UNDER MY FOOTSTOOL:"


4. Are ye not then partial in yourselves,
and are become judges of evil thoughts?
5. Hearken, my beloved Brethren,
Hath not God chosen the Poor of this World
Rich in Faith,
and Heirs of the Kingdom
which he hath promised to them that love him?
6. But ye have despised the Poor.
Do not rich men oppress you,
and draw you before the Judgment Seats?[/color]

ALL OF THE APOSTLES WERE HYPOCRITES, AND CONNIVED TOGETHER TO BURY THE TRUE GOSPEL (which was only published after PETER AND PAUL DIED after 60AD,) AND DEPRIVE THE GENTILE CHRISTIANS OF THE BIBLE.

JAMES argued that THE COVENANT needed to go back to ISRAEL, that this was PREDESTINED- so they didn't have to teach THE GENTILES The Law of Moses.

JAMES OPPOSED YAHSHUA when he needed his support, and only joined the Church later, to SABOTAGE It.

What he says here sounds so beautiful to the "ULTRA-SPIRITUAL:"

"RICH PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT!"

I doubt Lord Yahshua gave the Rich preferential Treatment in HIS Church Meetings: there is at least one instance of the lord disrespecting a Pharisee in his own home. But for CHRISTIANS to behave in such a manner is SUICIDAL and MURDEROUS.

The RICH CHRISTIANS who is so MEEK AND HUMBLE as to TOLERATE BLATANT RUDENESS are a JOY to behold. These are people who KNOW SOMETHING-even if they are HYPOCRITES, merely doing it to be seen of men.

INSULTING ANYONE VISITING YOUR CHURCH, RICH OR POOR, CAN HAVE DIRE CONSEQUENCES.

In this day and age, MK-ULTRA can make ANYBODY into a SUICIDE-BOMBER, overnight. NOT EVEN THEY WOULD KNOW.

Even when they received the TRIGGER COMMAND, they would not be aware of what they were doing.

Besides that, RICH PEOPLE KNOW PEOPLE, WHO KNOW PEOPLE, WHO OWE THEM FAVOURS. Piss off the wrong Rich Person, and you can find that some LEGAL DOCUMENT or OFFICIAL STAMP goes missing, and YOUR WHOLE MINISTRY IS FORFEIT- because someone you DISCOUNTED got to a BUREAUCRAT they controlled.

YOU THINK IT CAN'T HAPPEN?

Look at TIMOTHY OMOTOSO, who is now in JAIL in South Africa, for TAKING CARE OF STREET CHILDREN WITHOUT REQUISITE PERMITS.

He was either told that he did not NEED them, or else THEY WENT MISSING from their FILES, or some official DENIED SEEING THEM.

That sort of thing can LITERALLY KILL YOU.

A FALSE ACCUSATION can bring ARMED ATTACK by the Government against your Church- as happened at WACO, TEXAS, in 1993, when the FBI/BATF attacked a Church, because their INFORMANT told them that they had a METHAMPHETAMINE LAB in their basement.

They didn't- but the Pastor, who accidentally hit on something that could have sparked interest in ZETETIC ASTRONOMY, that could have DESTROYED NASA, and about 70 of his followers, were ALL KILLED.

On a FALSE ACCUSATION.
.


I read in a Comic Book story about people trying to infiltrate an installation, that LOOKING SLIGHTLY ANNOYED STOPS PEOPLE FROM INTERFERING WITH YOU. Evidently, this is a KNOWN STRATEGY.

Staff Workers are there to WORK, and have APPOINTED TASKS to be completed by a specific time. If they look too friendly, people might accost them over trivial matters.

After knowing SCIENTOLOGY for 23 years, I began reading L. RON HUBBARD'S THOUGHTS on ORGANIZATION only several days ago. I mean, I took time at work to listen to one of his audio messages on ORGANIZATION. I had never studied that aspect of SCIENTOLOGY before, because I never had a use for it.

His lectures on ORGANIZATION fill a SHELF.

The volumes are ENCYCLOPEDIA-SIZED, but maybe that is just the PRINTING. (They DO have books like that.)

WHAT HE SAID IN THAT HOUR-LECTURE APPLIES HERE.

Yet, the SCOAN SHILL here dismisses SCIENTOLOGY as a "CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION." Whereas here is PROOF that L. Ron Hubbard has wherewithal to HELP TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA.
.

.
ANY VAGUE DOUBTS THAT YOU MIGHT NOT BE A CHRISTIAN ARE CONFIRMED HERE.

Any Christian of any maturity at all knows full well the importance of CHASTE DRESSING. How the literal WHORES have infiltrated the Churches and SUBVERTED them.

This is NOT COINCIDENTAL; it is NOT "FASHION."

It is a STRATEGIC CAMPAIGN, where GIRLS ARE TRAINED to DRESS IMMORALLY- one centimeter at a time, so to speak- to encourage PROTESTANT CHRISTIAN GIRLS to become TOTALLY AMORAL.

[See: ALBERTO, by Jack T. Chick.]

This HATCHET-JOB is NOT the work of a CHRISTIAN, and is NOT written to CHRISTIANS, but to UNBELIEVERS.

It tells us more about the author, than about SCOAN.

THESE EVENTS MAY NEVER HAVE HAPPENED- [i]BUT THIS TESTIMONY CERTAINLY HAPPENED!
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by ScienceWatch: 3:24pm On Sep 21, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I am a Born Again, Full Gospel Pentecostal Christian, unaffiliated with any species of Organized Christianity whatsoever.

I am no fan of TEMITOPE BALOGUN JOSHUA, nor his SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATIONS- on the contrary, I find them disgusting.

I demand that they repent forthwith. Otherwise, they will wish they had listened to me, when it was painless.

Of course I had to be interested in your Post, given its title.

I was rather disappointed by the account, given the propaganda on how great the Ministry is. I knew that I was being lied to the whole time: I just never believed that it would be this bad.

TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA is really much weaker than I could have imagined, if this is how he permits his staff to behave toward visitors.



This is why I wrote THIS Post, about the PREREQUISITE REQUIREMENTS TO BIBLE DISCUSSION.

WHO are you, and what are you doing in that Church?

You're NOT a Christian.

I mean, that you are not a Disciple of the Lord Yahshua (there was no letter "J" until about 400 years ago. No way was his Name ever "JESUS."wink So, why go to a Church at all?

RIGHT AS SOON AS YOU CHOSE TO FOLLOW A MAN WHO EXALTS HIMSELF ABOVE HIS SUPPOSED BRETHREN, YOU STUCK BOTH FEET IN IT, AND IT BECAME YOUR RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO INDULGE IN REGRETS, ONCE YOU REAPED THE FULL FRUITS OF THE DEVIL'S ORCHARD YOUR STROLLED INTO.

You must have been one Hell of a crybaby, growing up.

You've never been to this... guy's Church before; you have no idea of the conditions- what facilities they have- except that his building contractor evidently went to the same Architects' College as that of DEREK ZOOLANDER. SO, WHAT DO YOU DO? Invite your MOTHER, too!

Look at TIMOTHY OMOTOSO, who is now in JAIL in South Africa, for TAKING CARE OF STREET CHILDREN WITHOUT REQUISITE PERMITS.

After knowing SCIENTOLOGY for 23 years, I began reading L. RON HUBBARD'S THOUGHTS on ORGANIZATION only several days ago. I mean, I took time at work to listen to one of his audio messages on ORGANIZATION. I had never studied that aspect of SCIENTOLOGY before, because I never had a use for it.
The OP is an unregistered Atheist looking for recognition. The failed prophet of modern Atheism Richard Dawkins has been pleading with this type to pay their registration fees/Tithes.
Hey pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye, I see you have joined up with unregistered Atheists to bolster your cruel, cowardly PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN against an extremely kind and generous man, Prophet TB Joshua. You have not learn from your 23yr hatred toward this man that nothing you do can make the smallest dent in the mighty amour of the SCOAN.
Many already know that your insane opinions are motivated by your envy and jealousy that in more than 25 yrs you only have three followers with no Holy Spirit POWER.

Scientology’s son DeWolfe flatly says : "More than 90 percent of what my father L.Ron Hubbard has written about himself is an outright lie." He tells harrowing tales of his own childhood, He would feed us bubble gum, and then try to put us in hypnotic trances in order to create what he called a Satanic ‘moonchild.’
This, says Ron DeWolf, stemmed from my dad’s daily practice of Satanic black magic and the occult. DeWolf himself was born prematurely, weighing two pounds, two ounces, and he tells us, " My mother told me that I wasn’t exactly born, my dad tried to abort me. My father was trying to abort me by invoking the devil for power and practices. My mother told me about him trying out all kinds of various Satanic incantations, drugs and hypnosis.

Fake pastor Bronchitis Oaroloye, allow me to respectfully, and with utmost reverence say that your 27yr worship of Criminal Scientology and fraudulent Occultic Nagaulism has brought you to your "Last bus stop." The only place that has the extreme power needed to deliver your demons is only the holy SCOAN. Dont waste time, you have already been diagnosed with demonic Schizophrenia
and other ailments. Dont continue to sadden my heart, go for deliverance.

The OP's experience was rather comical.
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by ScienceWatch: 3:04pm On Sep 23, 2017
oaroloye:
SHALOM!



I am a Born Again, Full Gospel Pentecostal Christian, unaffiliated with any species of Organized Christianity whatsoever.

I am no fan of TEMITOPE BALOGUN JOSHUA, nor his SYNAGOGUE CHURCH OF ALL NATIONS- on the contrary, I find them disgusting.
I demand that they repent forthwith.
Otherwise, they will wish they had listened to me, when it was painless.

ALL OF THE APOSTLES WERE HYPOCRITES, AND CONNIVED TOGETHER TO BURY THE TRUE GOSPEL (which was only published after PETER AND PAUL DIED after 60AD,) AND DEPRIVE THE GENTILE CHRISTIANS OF THE BIBLE.

Look at TIMOTHY OMOTOSO, who is now in JAIL in South Africa, for TAKING CARE OF STREET CHILDREN WITHOUT REQUISITE PERMITS.
but the Pastor, who accidentally hit on something that could have sparked interest in ZETETIC ASTRONOMY, that could have DESTROYED NASA, and about 70 of his followers, were ALL KILLED. On a FALSE ACCUSATION.

After knowing SCIENTOLOGY for 23 years, I began reading L. RON HUBBARD'S THOUGHTS on ORGANIZATION only several days ago. I mean, I took time at work to listen to one of his audio messages on ORGANIZATION. I had never studied that aspect of SCIENTOLOGY before, because I never had a use for it.

Yet, the SCOAN SHILL here dismisses SCIENTOLOGY as a "CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION." Whereas here is PROOF that L. Ron Hubbard has wherewithal to HELP TUBERCULOSIS JOSHUA.
Yes pastor Bronchitis, we know that you and your jealous, cowardly Pentecostal PFN masters have tried repeatedly for more than 34 yrs to destroy the holy SCOAN. Your viscous PROPAGANDA is shameful. With every Satanic attack from your gang, prophet TB Joshua would always forgive and pray for Gods hand over your lives.

Now your cowardly PROPAGANDA efforts has included the mighty APOSTLES.

With reverance and humility I come before you fake pastor Bronchitis, to shake you loose from your 34 yr long path of hatred for the Works of the holy Spirit in the Scoan Church Nigeria. The fact that your conclusions are heavily dependent on what Atheists believe, prove my point that you need urgent restoration.

Please bear with me pastor bronchitis, your beliefs in fictional novels of criminal Scientology and fraudulent fictional Nagualism has fried your mind. Restoration is on its way if you rather spend the rest of your life trying to understand the following; A pastor, minister, will be known by their WORKS (the combination of miracles, signs and wonders) so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff. The evidence of the miracles in the holy Scoan Church Nigeria, increase faith that lead to salvation of ones soul as Jesus commanded all His Disciples/pastors to do.

Pierre Cloutier posted at 2:37 pm
"Well all Carlo's Castaneda's books have been put into a box alright the one with the fraud label. AS for wonder and light yes it is out there but in Carlo's books there are absurdities, nonsense, mystical woo-woo and out and out lies.
Because we now know Carlos lied about doing ethnographic research on the Yaqui Indians like he lied about so much else. If you want to continue to live in woo-woo land go ahead."

You are aware of the startling facts about the fraudster L.Ron Hubbard the author of the fiction novel Dianetics that he wrote on his wife's kitchen table then claimed that it is the result of exhaustive scientific trials and testing.

L.Ron Hubbard threatened to kill his unborn child in a Satanic ritual so his wife exposed his secrets. Thanks to his wife we know all about the fraudulent Scientology and fictional Dianetics. While on the run from the law, he created the "Sea Organization," which would become Scientology’s clergy.

L.Ron Hubbard was known to love wild sex-orgies with up to five innocent young church girls on the holy church alter. During his corrosive orgasms he would loudly scream LUCIFER !! LUCIFER !! LUCIFER !! while spraying his sperm all over his church alter.

It is well known among spiritualists that the source of any literature will produce a corresponding spiritual force in the reader.
That is what has happened to Pastor Bronchitis. He is ignorant of this fact. His master L.Ron Hubbard wrote all his novels under the influence of Lucifer to initiate anyone that dares to read it.

Throw all his books out of your house and feel the peace !!
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by shugasofttouch: 5:52pm On Mar 09, 2018
ChizzyMaris:


Written by a Facebook friend; Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1504044122971718&id=100000984358442
op pls try and visit living faith and stop assuming things for them. And also I believTB is busy give time tables of wen his pastors are allowed to sleep with their wives and if other wise, he flogs them like kids so how would he know what is going on
Re: My Annoying Experience At SCOAN As A First-Timer By Ivan-Whyte Eagle Lawson by Uzorvip: 10:22pm On Feb 17, 2019

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