batu:

@Buluti and Davidylan,
Thanks to both of you for nice clarifications on this issue. If only the poster (Afam or whatever) could get further information before displaying his anti-semitic tendencies, he would not have sounded so ignorant and prejudicial in passing his judgement.
That's what happens to 'couch potatoes' whose source of information is only the TV.

Afam:

This is how is starts, some provocative actions, ignores all protests even by Arab ambassadors and Palestinians, shots fired, people killed and another round of blood letting.

Afam:

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Non muslims entering mosques especially when relations are far from cordial is condemnable.

4 Play:

@batu
That man Afam has a reputation as an inveterate liar who is emotionally unbalanced.In one thread,he claimed that a person who criticsed him,was better off dead. If it is not his favorite enemy, the Jews, it is the US that is the subject of his distortions

4 Play:

No one is against alternative views,we are just against alternative truths

batu:

Really!!! he wished somebody was better off dead!! It's nice to know that online forum are anonymous, the capability of some peoples is better left to imagination. If that is so, then that is sicker than your average.

Afam:

@4play,

I cannot split open your skull

Afam:

@4play,

That you even concluded that people may have been killed from what you read on this thread goes to show that you are intellectually deficient.

Afam:

@4play,

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The statement about entering mosque was actually made by CNN presenters.

Afam:

@4play,

Again, that you have an online version of the same story that was reported live that is different does not make the initial report wrong. If anything, CNN should be berated for broadcasting news that are not correct.

Afam:

@4play,
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It seems the statement that someone was better off dead is giving you sleepless nights, serves you right. And sincerely speaking, some people are better off dead because, it is a fact of life but not that I expect you to understand this though.

twinstaiye:
that is why, sometimes i wonder whether there could ever be peace in the middle east.

MODERATE Arab states believed to be uncomfortable with the growing influence of extremist sister nations in the Middle East are reportedly pushing for better ties with Israel and the United States (U.S.) Jews.

The initiative is said to be aimed at undercutting the grip of Iran and Syria, which are accused of promoting militancy in the region.

The arrowhead of the scheme, Saudi Arabia, has already garnered the support of five other Arab states to make what has been described as "their most public overtures ever to Israel and American Jews."

The collaborating Arab nations also intend to use the improved ties with Israel and U.S. Jews to contain violence in Iraq and Lebanon as well as push for a Palestinian solution.

The high-profile gestures coincide with Saudi Arabia's lead role last week in brokering a deal for a coalition Palestinian government.

Last month, Prince Turki al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia's departing ambassador to the U.S., attended a Washington reception sponsored by American Jewish organisations. The event honoured a State Department diplomat appointed to combat anti-Semitism.

The appearance of a Saudi diplomat is "unprecedented," said William Daroff, Washington office director for the United Jewish Communities, which organized the reception.

The Associated Press (AP) said that Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had stepped up contacts with Israel and pro-Israel Jewish groups in the U.S. The outreach reportedly has the George Bush administration's blessing. American Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has said six Gulf states and Egypt, Jordan and Israel are a new alignment of moderates to oppose extremists backed by Iran and Syria. She has said an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal would weaken militants such as Hamas and Hezbollah.

Contacts have intensified as part of a strategy meant to undercut extremists and build momentum for a peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians, said Jamal Kashoggi, an aide to Saudi Prince Turki.

Judith Kipper, a Middle East expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, said: "What really concerns pro-U.S. Arab states is that Iran is setting the political agenda in the region."

Saudi and Gulf Arab contacts with Israelis and American Jews go back more than a decade but have never been so public. Arab countries have treated Israel as a pariah since it gained independence in 1948. Most Arab countries ban travel to Israel, investment there and other commercial ties with the Jewish State and routinely refer to it as the "Zionist entity."

Only three of 21 Arab nations recognise Israel: Egypt, Jordan and Mauritania. A 2002 peace plan put forward by Saudi Arabia offers diplomatic relations with the other 18 Arab states if Israel withdraws to the borders it had in 1967 - meaning giving up the West Bank and the Golan Heights - and cedes land for a new Palestinian state.

Among the other recent Arab-Jewish contacts are:

* Saudi National Security Adviser Bandar bin Sultan met privately with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in Jordan in September last year, said Daniel Ayalon, Israel's former ambassador to Washington. He said it was the highest-level Saudi-Israeli meeting he'd ever heard of.

* The United Arab Emirates has invited a delegation from the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations. The conference, a 51-member umbrella group, is a strong supporter of Israel.

* Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres met the Emir of Qatar in late January after taking part in a debate with Arab students there. It was the highest-level Israeli meeting with the Gulf nation since 1996, when Peres visited as Prime Minister.

drlawng:

@Afam

I hope this doesnt offend you. Do you beleieve in the right of Israel to exist as a State?

Afam:

"on threads that you wrongly assume contain wrong statements when in the real sense it is you that is finding it difficult to understand.

buluti:

You are attempting to suggest that CNN reporteres would present a report CNN considers offensive to it, then in a bid to cover it, CNN would doctor the online version. I really read a lot on this forum its amazing .

Afam:

Of course I do.

I also believe in the right of the Palestinian people to exist.

I am concerned with the injustices and land seizures and not against a people.

If someone seizes my land or my father's land simply because he is stronger or is supported by strong people, I shall fight till death to get what belongs to me and that is not too different from what is happening between Israel and Palestine today and this gives a lot of people cover to carry out hate ideologies they may inherently have, merely using the Palestinian question as an excuse.

Afam:


@Batu,

Without wasting time on you, .

davidylan:

The problem i have with your argument is that you claim to believe in the existence of both Isreal and Palestine then also claim that for peace to exist Isrela must withdraw to its pre-1967 borders. Those of us that can see beyond our noses know that the ULTIMATE aim of palestinians and the arabs is to completely wipe out Isreal as a race and not merely to withdraw to any pre- borders.

How do you reconcile that?

batu:

@Afam,
you are really paranoid, not surprised at that with your glaring anti-semitism. [chei! check out "delusion of reference" on google .] I read your posts, the responses to yours, and I was referred by 4play to other posts of yours on other topics. I can see that the same insanity, aggression and half truths that you are now displaying is characteristic; schizophrenics don't like being opposed. For somebody who would wish death for another person simply for disagreeing with him, you can rant and rave all you want. The most obvious fact now is that: you, AFAM, seem to be a well-known pathological liar and a racist bigot. You are a disgrace to wisdom. But it's great you are being confronted and exposed from all sides, that's the first step to your recovery.