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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Nobody: 4:03pm On Sep 13
pls what does the name Buhari means? grin
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Sarassin: 4:10pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:
smiley smiley

Yes it does.
I could use more explanations nonetheless.
But it's clear now that Satan is a fallen angel while Lucifer is a deity.

Besides, I was so sure she was a He.
Lol.
Now that she is born and grown, when I see her act, I can't help but think sometimes that her gender changed in the womb.

Don't be so sure. There is no rebellion in the divine realm, why would there be? The very idea is ludicrous. The Greeks and Romans got rid of the mythical stories of the debauchery of their gods but the Jews incorporated their mythology into doctrine. There is no duality in the Divine realm, it is the 'perfection of perfection', inviolate.

I believe I mentioned a while ago that your child is a ‘star of Bethlehem’ and here you are much later later talking about the 'bringer of light' cheesy
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 4:18pm On Sep 13
Sarassin:


Don't be so sure. There is no rebellion in the divine realm, why would there be? The very idea is ludicrous. The Greeks and Romans got rid of the mythical stories of the debauchery of their gods but the Jews incorporated their mythology into doctrine. There is no duality in the Divine realm, it is the 'perfection of perfection', inviolate.

I believe I mentioned a while ago that your child is a ‘star of Bethlehem and here you are much later later talking about the 'bringer of light' cheesy

Did you?
I can't remember o.
cheesy

Meanwhile...
This issue of duality is a source of confusion o.
If you read my other mention, you'll get my point.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by coolestchris(m): 4:24pm On Sep 13
ok

Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 4:34pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


What nonsense is this coming out your mouth?
You don't know the things in the spiritual realms and u don't need to know them if you want to. But if you are ready to know, pls ask me. Yahweh and Allah are Lucifer and Satan and currently they are both held in their spiritual prison.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by rekinomtla: 4:52pm On Sep 13
0temAtum:

You don't know the things in the spiritual realms and u don't need to know them if you want to. But if you are ready to know, pls ask me. Yahweh and Allah are Lucifer and Satan and currently they are both held in their spiritual prison.

Another foolish blasphemous comment, do yourself a favor heathen, repent and learn the truth ,for you've been deceived by satan and will join him in the lake of fire for all eternity unless you repent.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 4:55pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


Another foolish blasphemous comment, do yourself a favor heathen, repent and learn the truth ,for you've been deceived by satan and will join him in the lake of fire.
Why are you so fast and judgemental? Well... I have known the truth from the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH and the book of lie called Bible has no effect on me now. Read the book of truth here: http://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/59#60009837
May the light of God Almighty save you from your ignorance in Otem's name I pray.
BTW, the light of God has made the illusion of fire made by Yahweh your god for his worshippers to become non existent.

DOCTUFOS: DOCTUFOS:
hister 2: 9-31


9. Now I Mulah asked my father, saying, shall you not take me to father? And my father said, who is father? And I say, Yahweh our father.
10. And he laughed and said, if you live in Deutsch and hear such and such things about another country, you shall think that it is so until you go to that country and find it not totally as they have told you.
11. So also are the afterlives described by the inks and books of the scribes of religions. For Yahweh is not whom you think him to be. For he lurks around the gates of this Valley to lure people to another place where illusions of fire is made for them.
12. Did I not partake also in the illusion of fire because of the thoughts of my mind? For on my dying bed, I listened to the Krishtens who spoke kindly to me and by so doing, I did accept whatever judgement I should be judged with.
13. And when my eyes were shut, I saw myself following after one who wore white cloth. And he led me to a place full of fire. And he laughed and said, you have believed in me, therefore wherever I put you shall be your place.
14. I am Faulkin the son of Yahweh. You are found guilty of a sin which you did not confess before you die.
15. Now I asked, saying, what is the sin which I did not confess? And he said, did you confess all your sins? And I thought deeply and said, I can't remember all the sins I have ever committed.
16. And he said, as long as you cannot remember all your sins, then it is reasonable to say that there are some of them which you have not confessed.
17. And I said, lord if you know my sins, tell me now and let me confess them. And Yeshua said, it is too late. Come with me.
18. And I followed after him into a fire. And I saw in it a creature whose figure was great and the terror of his face was mighty.
19. And he said, I am Satan. And while I wailed in the fire, he laughed and said, I have all the power and authority to punish your species in my everlasting fire.
20. Now there were some who screamed and cursed, saying, God, you are evil. For you have made this fire to torment us and not to even torment Satan as your book have said. For this Satan does not even appear as if the fire hurts him at all. And all his angels are not affected by your fire also. For they laugh weird laughter at us and punish us, feeling no pain at all.
21. And we cry in the fire, but Satan whom you have made the fire for is always laughing in it. For he feels no pain at all. And he still has the strength to strike us with his weapons, laughing hard. Yet you said that you have made this place for Satan and his angels.
22. Now while they wailed, the evil creature said, I am your god Yahweh, the deceiver himself. I have made the fire for you because you become my followers on earth and then you are bound by my laws.
23. For my laws cannot be broken. For if you break any of my laws, you shall be punished here forever.
24. Now while our wailings continued, a great light came and lightened up the darkness of the smoke of fire. And we heard a voice, saying, I have come to free your souls. For you are seeing the illusions of what you believe in. For you are not in any real fire, but you suffer the imagination of the god whom you worship. For like one on earth who take the weed of tekum and see hallucinations of fire, so are you all.
25. For the afterlife is like a dream of never returning. Now imagine the afterlifes of your choice and you shall find yourself there.
26. And it was so, for every afterlife we all imagined became the places we went. But the imaginations were not our own, for our thoughts were only connected to the thoughts of some good gods who have themselves by their imaginations made good afterlives thousands of years before.
27. And I found myself in this peaceful Valley which I have imagined, knowing not that it is really in existence.
28. And your mother found herself in an afterlife where pets are in abundance, for she imagined that she was with her dead pet dog Ruchi. And she found herself with her. And she was amazed.
29. And when she imagined this Valley of knowledge, she appeared here also. And we were united again.
30. And we become your Guardian angels, saying, when Mulah shall die, we shall not let him pass through the fire of Yahweh at all as we passed through it.
31. Now Mulah, this is the message which you shall take to the world. For some shall know how to submit to their own instincts rather than the philosophy of a god.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Sarassin: 4:56pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:


Did you?
I can't remember o.
cheesy

Meanwhile...
This issue of duality is a source of confusion o.
If you read my other mention, you'll get my point.

I certainly did i just can't remember the exact post, date, e.t.c., I read your other post, really interesting, I may not do it justice though on an open forum.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by rekinomtla: 5:03pm On Sep 13
0temAtum:
Why are you so fast and judgemental? Well... I have known the truth from the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH and the book of lie called Bible has no effect on me now. Read the book of truth here: http://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/59#60009837
May the light of God Almighty save you from your ignorance in Otem's name I pray.
BTW, the light of God has made the illusion of fire made by Yahweh your god for his worshippers to become non existent.

You a false prophet with a false doctrine filled with lies upon lies. Otem's name has no power, he (you) will join his master where he belongs.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 5:08pm On Sep 13
Sarassin:


I certainly did i just can't remember the exact post, date, e.t.c., I read your other post, really interesting, I may not do it justice though on an open forum.

I will send you a mai now.

@sarassin, please tell your mail addy or you can mail me on
mizmycoli at g maiil dott comm
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by STUPUDTHEISTS: 5:20pm On Sep 13
johnydon22:
lucifer is a title, satan is a person.

Lucifer in latin means "bringer of light' "morning sun" and so on

Actually Satan or ha Satan originally was not a proper noun or a person. Etymologically it's a verb which means to accuse or oppose. The word precede the Hebrew Bible, and was adopted as the title for the Zoroastrian motif of evil — devil.

It's not a secret Zoroastrianism strongly influenced Judaism. And consensus scholarship agrees Satan became an evil counterpart or opposer of god as depicted in the new testament post exilic as late as 200BCE. This is also supported by verses in the Bible that showed the religion of Judaism once believed their god was responsible for both good and evil (Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6, lamentation 3:37-38) You can see Yahweh taking responsibilities for evil in those verses. The devil character was a later construct after they got in bed with the Persians — Zoroastrianism was dualistic already with a good and evil god. It didn't take the Israelite a while to adopt this concept.

I agree Lucifer has nothing to do with Satan. It's translated from Hebrew helel meaning bringer of light or the shiny one or morning star. Actually people misconstruing him for devil was a misinterpretation of the chapter 14 of Isaiah by Christian apologists. The verse was in no way referring to devil but If they insist Lucifer is the devil then Jesus is also the devil because he was described as morning star in Rev. 22:16.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by matrix600(m): 5:33pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


You a false prophet with a false doctrine filled with lies upon lies. Otem's name has no power, he (you) will join his master where he belongs.
How do you know his doctrine is a lie.. Have you read it?

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 5:34pm On Sep 13
butterflylion:


Hi wonderful day to you and your seed wink

Well a lot of people here already told you all there is to say about the name Lucifer. However for sake of human perception in the future or even present why not look for a name that is as close to the reason you have in mind as possible.

Names like Lucious or even Luke . Both mean "light".

May he bring light in abundance to you and yours.
Let me bring you up to speed. You are somehow new here. i know her you don't. She wants Jesus to be the same as Lucifer.

She is not looking for a name for her child, that's not the motive. The motive is, Since Lucifer means Bringer of light and Jesus is also called Bringer of light, that means Jesus is Lucifer. She's been on this for a while now.

She doesn't even believe there's an entity like Satan. If you follow her closely you'd get there.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by rekinomtla: 6:23pm On Sep 13
matrix600:
How do you know his doctrine is a lie.. Have you read it?

It disagrees with the bible, so it's false.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by sonofluc1fer: 7:10pm On Sep 13
701ecilana:

Let me bring you up to speed. You are somehow new here. i know her you don't. She wants Jesus to be the same as Lucifer.

She is not looking for a name for her child, that's not the motive. The motive is, Since Lucifer means Bringer of light and Jesus is also called Bringer of light, that means Jesus is Lucifer. She's been on this for a while now.

She doesn't even believe there's an entity like Satan. If you follow her closely you'd get there.
Jesus is Lucifer is Satan is God is Man.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by greatface(m): 7:14pm On Sep 13
loving this
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by matrix600(m): 7:20pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


It disagrees with the bible, so it's false.
The Bible disagrees with it, so the bible is false.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 7:46pm On Sep 13
rekinomtla:


You a false prophet with a false doctrine filled with lies upon lies. Otem's name has no power, he (you) will join his master where he belongs.
Hmm... The ignorant ones speak without knowledge. It takes only the light of God Almighty who created Yahweh your god to help you out of your cage of religious deception. Peace.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by geoworldedu: 7:49pm On Sep 13
matrix600:
The Bible disagrees with it, so the bible is false.
Epic reply cheesy

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Ranchhoddas(m): 7:56pm On Sep 13
701ecilana:

Let me bring you up to speed. You are somehow new here. i know her you don't. She wants Jesus to be the same as Lucifer.

She is not looking for a name for her child, that's not the motive. The motive is, Since Lucifer means Bringer of light and Jesus is also called Bringer of light, that means Jesus is Lucifer. She's been on this for a while now.

She doesn't even believe there's an entity like Satan. If you follow her closely you'd get there.
Always the entertainer.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by mmachi96(f): 7:56pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:
Good Afternoon Friends cool

Been thinking after reading interesting stuff on Sarassin's latest thread; LoJ's post specifically.

When I conceived, I had this moment during meditation that the one I was carrying is a "light bearer."
In that instance, I decided to search for a nameable name that means "light bearer"

I went to consult google, and I saw "Lucifer"
I shrugged so hard. "There's no way I'm naming him that!"

But then, I heard this voice in my head telling me that the name "Lucifer" is a fine name and is what it is said to mean.

However, what I have not gotten an answer to is whether or not this Lucifer is same as Devil that was cast out from heaven?

My sole basis for this conclusion is the Christian Bible. However, I wish to glean from other schools of thought on the matter.
Especially from my friends who practice esoteric arts.

I have consulted Wikipedia, but apparently, there's no consensus on there.

What's the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
If Lucifer is same as Satan, would there be a direct consequence if a child is named Lucifer (hoping it means Light-bearer), based on the circumstances surrounding its birth?
Lucifer was the name God gave to devil while he was still an angel in heaven. The name came from the fact that he was the finest of all the angels God made and he was so talented in music that God made him the head of the heavenly choir. However, when he sinned against God by trying to dethrone God, he lost the whole glory God bestowed on him. He was no more the morning star as his name implied. Therefore God had his name changed to satan or better still devil. I took my reference from the Bible.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by coolestchris(m): 7:58pm On Sep 13
mmachi96:
Lucifer was the name God gave to devil while he was still an angel in heaven. The name came from the fact that he was the finest of all the angels God made and he was so talented in music that God made him the head of the heavenly choir. However, when he sinned against God by trying to dethrone God, he lost the whole glory God bestowed on him. He was no more the morning star as his name implied. Therefore God had his name changed to satan or better still devil. I tooka my reference from the Bible.
dont ever talk where illuminated people are talking.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by rekinomtla: 8:03pm On Sep 13
matrix600:
The Bible disagrees with it, so the bible is false.

The doctrine of otem is from satan and therefore filled with lies.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 701ecilana: 8:09pm On Sep 13
sonofluc1fer:

Jesus is Lucifer is Satan is God is Man.
You would know, being son of Lucifer and all.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 8:18pm On Sep 13
701ecilana:

Let me bring you up to speed. You are somehow new here. i know her you don't. She wants Jesus to be the same as Lucifer.

She is not looking for a name for her child, that's not the motive. The motive is, Since Lucifer means Bringer of light and Jesus is also called Bringer of light, that means Jesus is Lucifer. She's been on this for a while now.

She doesn't even believe there's an entity like Satan. If you follow her closely you'd get there.

Lol
I advise you take a break from NL.
Your psyche's different shades of messed up.
You've allowed this need to be religiously correct fill you with a kind of zeal that borders on being passively violent.

There's a pain you need to heal from.

Moreover, You need attention, loving attention from him ( you know who). But you are being ignored and its making you crazier, its causing you to lose your sense of self.

Dear, there is wisdom in Silence.
Be still.

Your actions on this thread, are they thoughtful, helpful, and kind?
Are they needed?



You are losing it Sis, I understand why, but you need to hold it in and together.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 8:20pm On Sep 13
0temAtum:
Hmm... The ignorant ones speak without knowledge. It takes only the light of God Almighty who created Yahweh your god to help you out of your cage of religious deception. Peace.

Aha.
So there is also a difference between God Almighty and Yahweh.
Ooshey.
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 8:21pm On Sep 13
Hello Mizmycoli,

Thank you for your patience. I am happy that many people already shared their opinions. I will proceed to offer my perceptions on the issue. I will try to limit myself to the judeo christian paradigm, since that's what you are more familiar with. However, ultimately, all religions and paradigms are but human perspective and thus false. It could be that I proceed slowly and sequentially. Questions are welcomed, criticisms too. I do not offer the Truth, I only offer an opinion, to be adopted if found relevant, or rejected if otherwise.

In My opinion, there are several meanings to the word Satan/devil, and it is helpful to analyze them one after the other. Later on, I will deal with Lucifer.

-------

The prime meaning of satan/devil in the general thinking is that of a powerful being that governs the kingdom of darkness. I do not believe there is such a being, for Darkness and Light are one and the same thing, differing only in degree but not in nature.

"In the beginning God [...] " Genesis 1:1

According to this passage, God in the judeo christian thought is the uncaused cause. That from which all proceeds, but itself proceeds from none/nothing. If everything, including Satan, proceeds from God, then there is in God, the root of everything that exists. It thus follows that if a being is fundamentally wicked and evil, and controls all the wickedness and evil of the Universe/multiverses, then that being must have taken the seed of evil from god itself. If such a being exists, it can only be God himself, at the end of the day. Let's go a bit deeper.

The Story is told in the hebrew bible about how David was led to number the children of Israel. This story is stated in 2 places of the scriptures:

2 Samuel 24:1 “Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, ‘Go, number Israel and Judah.’”

1 Chronicles 21:1: “Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.”

If those accounts are anything to go by, we are left with an intriguing biblical fact: God and satan seem to be one and the same person, or at least, work hand in hand. Interestingly, the account of Job's trial confirms this to be true.

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 8:25pm On Sep 13
Mimzy, I doubt if the person you quoted is a she.

But if peradventure he is a SHE, then you've perfectly described her. She needs some break off NL

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Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 8:27pm On Sep 13
Mr president, can I conclude Lucifer is same as Satan going by ya post?
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 8:30pm On Sep 13
MizMyColi:


Aha.
So there is also a difference between God Almighty and Yahweh.
Ooshey.

Yes o. According to the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH

DOCTUFOS:
Doctufos: mystery of the cosmic creator (MCC) 1: 11-14

11. And God Almighty began to imagine how everything would go. And the imagination of God was unlimited, for he reasoned and imagined all things at once.
12. And the things which he imagined also are filled with Imaginations. And so continues endless imaginations.
13. And by one fragment of the imagination of God, there exist some beings. And these beings have similarities with God in his light form.
14. Now the names of some of these creatures of God are Knoliud, Miklas, Urim, Chimides, Chaleb, Eartum who is also called Atum, Largas, who is also called Alla, Nymphidis who is also called Yahweh, Wanyioyi,... Abassi, Nzame, Nyame;
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 8:40pm On Sep 13
LoJ:
Hello Mizmycoli,

Thank you for your patience. I am happy that many people already shared their opinions. I will proceed to offer my perceptions on the issue. I will try to limit myself to the judeo christian paradigm, since that's what you are more familiar with. However, ultimately, all religions and paradigms are but human perspective and thus false. It could be that I proceed slowly and sequentially. Questions are welcomed, criticisms too. I do not offer the Truth, I only offer an opinion, to be adopted if found relevant, or rejected if otherwise.

In My opinion, there are several meanings to the word Satan/devil, and it is helpful to analyze them one after the other. Later on, I will deal with Lucifer.

-------

The prime meaning of satan/devil in the general thinking is that of a powerful being that governs the kingdom of darkness. I do not believe there is such a being, for Darkness and Light are one and the same thing, differing only in degree but not in nature.

"In the beginning God [...] " Genesis 1:1

According to this passage, God in the judeo christian thought is the uncaused cause. That from which all proceeds, but itself proceeds from none/nothing. If everything, including Satan, proceeds from God, then there is in God, the root of everything that exists. It thus follows that if a being is fundamentally wicked and evil, and controls all the wickedness and evil of the Universe/multiverses, then that being must have taken the seed of evil from god itself. If such a being exists, it can only be God himself, at the end of the day. Let's go a bit deeper.

The Story is told in the hebrew bible about how David was led to number the children of Israel. This story is stated in 2 places of the scriptures:

2 Samuel 24:1 “Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, ‘Go, number Israel and Judah.’”

1 Chronicles 21:1: “Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.”

If those accounts are anything to go by, we are left with an intriguing biblical fact: God and satan seem to be one and the same person, or at least, work hand in hand. Interestingly, the account of Job's trial confirms this to be true.

I'm following with rapt attention.

cc: Hopefullandlord
Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by coolestchris(m): 8:42pm On Sep 13
LoJ:
Hello Mizmycoli,

Thank you for your patience. I am happy that many people already shared their opinions. I will proceed to offer my perceptions on the issue. I will try to limit myself to the judeo christian paradigm, since that's what you are more familiar with. However, ultimately, all religions and paradigms are but human perspective and thus false. It could be that I proceed slowly and sequentially. Questions are welcomed, criticisms too. I do not offer the Truth, I only offer an opinion, to be adopted if found relevant, or rejected if otherwise.

In My opinion, there are several meanings to the word Satan/devil, and it is helpful to analyze them one after the other. Later on, I will deal with Lucifer.

-------

The prime meaning of satan/devil in the general thinking is that of a powerful being that governs the kingdom of darkness. I do not believe there is such a being, for Darkness and Light are one and the same thing, differing only in degree but not in nature.

"In the beginning God [...] " Genesis 1:1

According to this passage, God in the judeo christian thought is the uncaused cause. That from which all proceeds, but itself proceeds from none/nothing. If everything, including Satan, proceeds from God, then there is in God, the root of everything that exists. It thus follows that if a being is fundamentally wicked and evil, and controls all the wickedness and evil of the Universe/multiverses, then that being must have taken the seed of evil from god itself. If such a being exists, it can only be God himself, at the end of the day. Let's go a bit deeper.

The Story is told in the hebrew bible about how David was led to number the children of Israel. This story is stated in 2 places of the scriptures:

2 Samuel 24:1 “Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, ‘Go, number Israel and Judah.’”

1 Chronicles 21:1: “Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.”

If those accounts are anything to go by, we are left with an intriguing biblical fact: God and satan seem to be one and the same person, or at least, work hand in hand. Interestingly, the account of Job's trial confirms this to be true.
isiah 45:7

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