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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 6:42am On Sep 14|
MizMyColi:This is actually a feeling associated with the raising of vibration. When you increase your vibration, you approach the divine state, and the divine state is a state of glory, peace and harmony. The rational mind will make you believe it is because of the "favour of God" or some particular blessing. The truth is, it is not. Even an atheist that meditate will in times reach that state and higher states.
Tantra, as good described by our beloved sarassin, shows that enlightenment lies not necessarily in ascetism and privation, running away from pleasure, just like most religious tradition prescribe. Tantra shows that Godhood is a state of ecstasy, "shekinah" in jewish terms. Pure extasy, when correctly handled, bring us closer to God than a whole lot of pains and suffering.
MizMyColi:The book of john was probably not written by John himself, but an early christian teacher, I dare say mystic too, who had some concerns. It has always been a practice to put one's ideas in the mouth of a distinct personality of the past, to pass your messages across. Plato and Aristotle with Socrates are good examples of that. It is therefore doubtful that Christ actually said that, verbatim.
One of the concerns of the author, in my opinion, was that early christianity was taking the path of most religions, focusing on cult, exoteric activities and pissing contest, and he tried to draw people to a more internal true and deep christianity.
In the passage you quoted, we see a woman "worshipping on the mountain". He tried to ler know that everyone has his own religious practice, some being better than other, but all at the end are futile. What God seeks is true worshippers, irrespective of religion and such consideration. What is therefore the meaning of true worshippers?
I believe these are people with knowledge, for knowledge is power. Or should I say, people who seek the Truth, irrespective of whence that Truth came from. These are therefore people not limited to the specifics of their cults, limited to what people told them about God, or about life. These are people seeking their personal experience, and personal truths. The highest adoration one can give to the divine, is knowing and thereby growing. Because when you know, you increase the general value. See, when all parts grow, then the sum total grows.
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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 7:04am On Sep 14|
Michealforever:The DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH is the history of things in the universe as compiled by Atum, one of the brothers of Yahweh and Allah.
You can read more here: http://www.nairaland.com/2938907/doctrine-ufos/59#60009837
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MrPresident1: 8:27am On Sep 14|
My brother na God o
The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by AgentOfAllah: 9:14am On Sep 14|
I believe lucifer is more accurately the "morning star", a title given to Venus because it's usually the brightest "star" in the early hours of the morning.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 9:28am On Sep 14|
I'm following. I read thrice to understand better, and I do now.
I would like for you to expatiate more.
If I get you correctly, Satan and Lucifer refers to the same being who aren't necessarily evil as is widely believed today.
That the Satan and devil we mostly refer to is man's construct.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Nobody: 9:38am On Sep 14|
Chai, the guy is a guru. Following sharply
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by stonemasonn: 10:08am On Sep 14|
LoJ:Sounds like grail message
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 10:17am On Sep 14|
MizMyColi:no. I have not yet said who I believe satan is. What I have done is to deconstruct preconceived ideas about satan, and show that even in primitve judeo christian beliefs, satan is no adversary of God. Lucifer is something else, I have not yet spoken about him.
Give me time we will get there. I felt the need to go slowly and sequentially, I dont know why, perhaps for someone out there that needs it.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 10:44am On Sep 14|
Okay. I understand.
I'm sorry if you felt rushed.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Narisa01(f): 10:52am On Sep 14|
There is no difference between Satan and Lucifer and that name shouldn't be given to any child cuz the name a child is being called matters a lot, it can affect him or her negatively or positively. There other names that means Light-bearer, please I advise you don't name your child Lucifer. Thanks
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:53am On Sep 14|
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by adepeter2027(m): 10:54am On Sep 14|
What is this now.? Ehhh?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 11:36am On Sep 14|
Narisa01:Satan means adversary, that's why Yahweh was crowned that title by God Almighty who created him. When Yahweh became the most hateful of humanity, he was named so. Lucifer is the name for Allah the moon-god. There was a time when Yahweh and Allah were fighting for position. And they both fell into the BOTTOMLESS Pit they dug for the Anakims and Nephilims and rephaims. They were in the pit for 1000 years according to the thummim of God Almighty their creator.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Deicide: 11:42am On Sep 14|
LoJ:I Know that am just saying that i agree with that idea
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Ahasco(m): 11:58am On Sep 14|
Please don't say what you don't know. The fact that we have been fed with lies doesn't mean the truth cannot be revealed or that light cannot overshadow darkness. Satan and Lucifer are two separate beings; where the former means he who decieves and the latter means he who disobeys.
you need not believe because you have never asked or prayed for the truth in the bible neither have you assked for true wisdom and knowledge of the true God
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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 12:02pm On Sep 14|
No be only brother. Na Sister.
If Yahweh and Allah are brothers and are responsible for all the strife in the world and have fallen into the bottomless pit , how can there still be so much strife in the world?
Prophet Isaiah was clear in what he saw. ..the court Yahweh with him presiding.
Before 600 AD, Allah was merely one of the Arabic tribal gods sitting jejely in the Kabba until his Prophet Mohammed made him popular by destroying the other 400 tribal idols
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Ahasco(m): 12:15pm On Sep 14|
You might not understand the whole truth maybe because you've not really studied the bible and find the many flaws in it. All of the things happening now as it concerns religion are beliefs rewritten by individuals to feed the minds of the present humans with events that have happened long ago.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 12:22pm On Sep 14|
The Bible is not accurate and contains many flaws because it was written by human beings.
With limited knowledge and technology. But one thing that you cannot take away from the Bible is it's honesty.
As a graduate of Religious Studies... I came to the conclusion that it's the most honest religious text in the world and that is the secret if its power.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 12:38pm On Sep 14|
Michealforever:Who told you that Allah and Yahweh physically cause strife in the world in this our dispensation? They don't. All they did was to inspire some people to write words called Holy words with which all the strife would be born. But now Atum their brother is inspiring me to write words of true history to neutralise the evil words causing the strife mentioned.
doctufos: Deorum 9:26-28
BY THE WORDS OF THE gods, ALL THE STRIFE OF THE WORLD RELIGIOUSLY ARE GENERATED. READ WHAT ENLIL AND ENKI USE THEIR OWN WORDS TO ACHIEVE IN THIS DAYS TOO:
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Wilgrea7(m): 12:54pm On Sep 14|
why am i always the latecomer?
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 1:01pm On Sep 14|
Bro...I have found out what I wanted to know.
You are the author of the book. Nice job.
I commend your Noble ideal which is 'the elimination of strife and conflict that has brought so much pain to mankind"
I also commend your imagination,creativity and innovation.
But that is what your book is " FICTION".
Before Abraham encountered Yahweh.... there was strife.
Before Mohammed became acquainted with Allah, there was strife.
Before then people worshipped other gods.
The Bible makes me understand that it is jealousy and inordinate ambition and that brings strife fuelled by pride and arrogance.
That makes sense to me.
Also.. Mohammed claim is that the entity called Allah is the same as the Jewish Yahweh. His grouse is that he is being worshipped wrongly by Christians.
He does not see Allah and Yahweh as different personalities.
Also, in times past when people have fought in the names of their gods, ...from Baal to Odin to they clearly knew that they were not fighting in the name of Allah who was until the Advent if Muhammad (SAW) the tribal God of the Quraysh tribe.
So your notion that strife among mankind is a fallout of the conflict btween Yahweh and Allah may not stand up to scrutiny.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 1:17pm On Sep 14|
MizMyColi:Don't worry, I did not feel rushed.
Up till now, we have attempted to lay a foundation upon which this master of who is satan, can be analysed as objectively as possible, since we have limited ourselves to the judeo christian paradigm, and ultimately, no paradigm can be objective. Truth transcends all religion. Nonetheless, there are ge(r)ms of truth everywhere, so for our purposes here, we shall continue to zoom into this topic from the narrow perspective of judeo christian beliefs.
We may have, in our last submission, given the impression that the previous analysis with respect to the story of genesis, is the final truth about it all. It is not. It is actually the first layer of mysteries in that sumptuous passage of the Bible. The depth of knowledge and revelation in that passage, is almost endless, and there is no limit to what one can achieve, with the right understanding of God, Man, and the Universe revealed therein.
Let us end this chapter on Satan, the way we started it. Indeed, the natura law of movement, or as hermetica would call it, the law of rythm, has it that everything falls back to its starting point, the end is always the beginning and the movement to is equivalent to the movement fro. The same way, unconscious human germs left the singularity point (what we call God), is the same way we are all gradually moving back towards that singularity.
In the beginning God [...] - Genesis 1:1
Take everything there is, visible and invisible including space and time, contract it into a single point, a singularity, and there you have it. That is God. Everything proceeded from that singularity, and we are all parts of the divine. To use bible terms, we are in essence, sons and daughters of God, sharing the same nature. The difference between God and man, could be expressed in terms of the difference between a drop and the ocean.
The natural law of polarity imposes that it is from the friction of two poles that anything is produced. Electricity, Magnetism, atoms, even children, flowers, etc. all are produced from the struggle of 2 poles. So are the multiverses. At the core of it all, there are 2 poles: A negative pole and a positive. Both are necessary, both are complimentary, both are opposite.
We can call the negative pole, Satan, for convenience. It is not of necessity a personal being, it is a principle that opposes, that constitutes a barrier, so that ultimately, it is the greater good for all, that emerges.
Let's imagine: Many ruling parties take the opposition parties for devils. But what happens to a country where and when there is no seperation of powers, and a strong legitimate opposition? What would the universe be without a strong negative pole? It would be destruction.
Look at it from another angle: Most of us practice sport. Sport is healthy and makes sure we are fit. But while we exercise, it is painful, and it actually destroy our Muscles. But this destruction is necessary for the fibers of the muscles to come back stronger and so that we are more fit.
Satan, in my opinion, is the negative pole of the universe, the necessary darkness that provides the duality essential to life.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 1:18pm On Sep 14|
Who wrote Genesis- Moses
Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy- Moses
Who wrote Matthew? Matthew
Who wrote Mark? Mark
Who wrote Luke? Luke
Who wrote John? John
Who wrote RevelationBook? John
Who wrote the bible? Human beings
Who inspired them? Yahweh and Yeshua
Bible case closed
Now over to the DOCTUFOS OF TRUTH
Who wrote Book of Jasheb? Jasheb
Who wrote Nimshi? Keltiel
Who wrote Book of Eartum? Atum
Who wrote first Job? Job
Who wrote Danyal? Danyal
Who wrote OtemErectus? Otem Adinoi
Who inspired them? Atum, Olorun, Oghene, Osanobua, my ancestors and your ancestors, etc.
No book on earth is written by GOD ALMIGHTY who created Atum and Yahweh and other gods. But they are inspired by the gods. Do you understand?
I'll refer you to this link for more clarity: http://www.nairaland.com/3642004/almighty-god-dont-write-books
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|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 1:30pm On Sep 14|
So, in other words, there is no need to be afraid of Satan.
We are light beings and ultimately all things work together for our good, whether positive or negative.
But then again, aren't there times when Negativity tries to upset this balance or are we humans the cause?
I remember Jesus rebuking the devil, by telling him to get behind him during his days in the wilderness.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 1:32pm On Sep 14|
My brother, it's not a fighting matter.
Moses did not write Genesis.
Do a little research about the Priestly, Yahweh, Elohist and Deuteronomic sources of the Pentatuach.
When you are done with that do another research on Deutoro and Trito Isaiah in relation to the authorship of the book of Isaiah.
I hope you realize that where you knowledge end na him another man own start.
Your work is entertaining..and is inspired by the religious texts of Islam, Judaism and Christianity with a healthy dose of imagination.
No more, No less.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 1:33pm On Sep 14|
It's never too late
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 1:40pm On Sep 14|
Okay lemme believe with you that Moses did not write Genesis. Now can you tell me who wrote it? All I want to deduce is whether it is human being who wrote it or God Almighty who created Yahweh. But as I know, Almighty God has never written a book, only his children such as Atum, Yahweh, Mazda, Moloch, Allah, Olorun etc write books and inspire the homo erectuses and the homo sapiens to compile them.
My question again, who wrote Genesis down inside scroll? Is it God Almighty the creator of Yahweh or the gods or humans.
Note: the gods can write books, Book of Eartum is written by Atum, Vedas is given by Vishnu, but God Almighty their father is far too higher than that. Even Yahweh composed a song in WORLDLY MUSIC of the Doctufos of truth.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 1:48pm On Sep 14|
LoJ: Satan, in my opinion, is the negative pole of the universe, the necessary darkness that provides the duality essential to life.
It may be appropriate to dig a lil' bit deeper. In the gospel, the story is told of how within the same chapter, the Apostle peter makes two declaration. The first one is so sublime that Jesus told him:
“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. - Matthew 16:17
But a few verses later:
But Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me. For you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
It is troubling to the objective reader, that in such a short time, Jesus would exalt Peter for being a divine mouthpiece, only to bash him some moment later, and consider him Satan.
This is a perfect illustration of the two forces in action: a constructive force and a destructive force, a supportive force and an opposing force. Both fighting one against the other and seeking victory. Each wish to overpower the other, but none suceeds to definitely prevail. From the interaction of both life is created and sustained.
It is not by mistake that the identity of man can be reduced to a sinusoidal elliptic association of 2 fibers and many links, what we call DNA. The principle of correspondence made the world into a fractal one, where the highest form expresses itself in the lowest. The DNA tells us exactly this: how we are living by the interaction and struggle of 2 opposing but necessary forces.
Since we have restricted ourselves to the judeo christian paradigm, we will refrain from examining this from the Taoist perspective. Suffice to say that it is no mistake if the DNA looks like the Ying and Yang symbol, or to be modern, like the Staff of hermes, used as a symbol in medecine.
Satan can be viewed as the negative Pole of the universe. It needs not be an entity but a principle, principle of destruction and opposition.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by Michealforever: 1:53pm On Sep 14|
My brother. Help me do the research. It will answer some of your questions as regards the source of the Bible.
Yahweh claims to be God Almighty several times.
I'll stick with that.
I can understand why there are other gods as man in each locality tried to comprehend the supernatural.
So man in each locality gave a variety of names to those beings that he encountered....based on this I can understand how it seems logical to lump Yahweh as a Jewish mountain God and so just one of the other gods.
However " Progressive Revelation " solves this.
As man developed in his mental capacity , so also his spiritual ability to comprehend .
And looking at the Bible from these lens, you'll see how the Jewish conception of Yahweh evolved from that of a tribal God exclusive to them to a universal God accessible to all nation's in Christian thought.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by LoJ: 1:56pm On Sep 14|
MizMyColi:Yes you have anticipated my next post. I intend to publish it tonigh, I have some duty now. But yes in essence, all things work for the greater good. I would say even more than that.
There is a possibility, to shift consciousness so as to experience the positive consciously, and the negative unconsciously. This is the "key" of the kingdom.
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by 0temAtum: 2:20pm On Sep 14|
Michealforever:Only the light of God Almighty can reveal deep things to you as he did me, else you'll remain under the influence of the deception of either Yahweh the deceiver or Allah the destroyer. The Doctufos clearly reveals how Yahweh disowned God Almighty as his father and went about deceiving the nations. Even Jasheb and Job saw how Yahweh sent lying waves into the brains of his scribes such that they tell lies almost all the time. I pray the Light of God reveals the truth to you in Otem's name, ASE!
|Re: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by MizMyColi(f): 2:29pm On Sep 14|
*rubs imaginary palms in anticipation*
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