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What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Desyner: 3:26am On Oct 01, 2017
The rise of communism around the world in time past has been met with resistance from the majority. I like to hear from those knowledgeable(Political Scientist, hobbyists):
- about the reasons communism was resisted.
- what Nairalanders in the house think themselves about communism.


Definition of communism by merriam-webster Dictionary
1 a :a theory advocating elimination of private property
b :a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

Definition of communism by Wikipedia
In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal"wink[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money[3][4] and the state.[5][6]


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Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by SHTFguy: 3:36am On Oct 01, 2017
Communism is an aberration and an abomination.

Charity does not rest with state ordered contributions but rather through individual sacrifice.

Only lazy idiots seeking handouts will dream of a communist society
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Blue3k(m): 3:37am On Oct 01, 2017
It's terrible system the results speak for themselves. The system is highly inefficient because it lacks price mechanism and goes on complete central planning. It distorts incentives for producers because profits don't exist. It's discourages innovation for same reason. Those are basic economic problems.

Like the rest if Marxist ideology it sounds good on paper but reality sets in. There's always hierarchy between regular peasant citizens and party elite. To maintain this control the government have to become repressive.

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Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by SHTFguy: 3:39am On Oct 01, 2017
Blue3k:
It's terrible system the results speak for themselves. The system is highly inefficient because it lacks price mechanism and goes on complete central planning. It distorts incentives for producers because profits don't exist. It's discourages innovation for same reason. Those are basic economic problems.

Like the rest if Marxist ideology it sounds good on paper but reality sets in. There's always hierarchy between regular peasant citizens and party elite. To maintain this control the government have to become repressive.


Similar to Buharism which is a form of Islamo-socialism
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by AmoryBlacq: 6:47am On Oct 01, 2017
SHTFguy:
Communism is an aberration and an abomination.

Charity does not rest with state ordered contributions but rather through individual sacrifice.

Only lazy idiots seeking handouts will dream of a communist society


Nelson Mandela was once a proponent of communism!

In fact they (ANC) had to synergize with the communist party and some other parties on the path to freedom for the south African people!

is NM a lazy idiot? choose your words carefully next time

Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by BLINGZ88: 6:58am On Oct 01, 2017
communism never works and will never work. people need incentive to put in their effort. and all the communism the world have practiced is just a form of dictatorship. do you know the meaning of "Soviet" in USSR. it means advice or committee, meaning that the Soviet union was meant to be ruled by committee of farmers and workers but that didn't happen, did it?. Stalin became a dictator, and so did Fidel Castro, chairman Mao of China too.
communism is just a can of worms.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by SHTFguy: 7:39am On Oct 01, 2017
AmoryBlacq:



Nelson Mandela was once a proponent of communism!

In fact they (ANC) had to synergize with the communist party and some other parties on the path to freedom for the south African people!

is NM a lazy idiot? choose your words carefully next time


Ojukwu was a card carrying member of the British Communist party when he was a student at Oxford.

He was inspired by the political revolutions that was sweeping Latin and S.America and was particular inspired by Che Guevera and Fidel Castro.

He joined the Nigerian Army as a recruit in-order to steer a mutiny among the non-commission officers in the army for the sole purpose of overthrowing the govt and ushering in a communist state. He was found out and forced to join the officer corp(although he was grossly and dangerously overqualified for the job).

Ifeanjuwa was a Marxist who was indoctrinated by into Marxist ideology when he was a student at the University of Ibadan. He too had Marxist wet dreams over uniting Africa following Nkrumah (of Ghana) and Nyere (of Tanzania) communist ideals. Ifeanjuwa was first initiated into Marxist ideology by none other than the subversive character known as Wole Soyinka.

Wole Soyinka was primarily an agent of the MI5 whose main assignment was to steer up radical Nationalist elements within the future intelligentsia on the campus of University of Ibadan. His Pyrate Confraternity was formed for that purpose - that is to instill radical Marxist ideology. The British were getting impatient in waiting for their marxist to hatch and do their bidding towards creating a centrist govt - owing to the discovery of large reserves of oil wells in the then eastern and mid-west Region. So they allowed the then Britsih head of the Nigerian army to overlook the recruitment and commission of graduates into the Nigerian Army.


The reason Ojukwu never got any help from the West, was because he was a communist. And this was the reason Biafra failed!

You will ask why didn't the Soviet help Biafra instead of Nigeria? Because the Soviets were aware of the quagmire the West had entered in the Israeli-Arab war of '66 where the US overlooked the events of the Mid-East and allowed Israel to invade and occupy Arab lands. The Arabs especially Saudi Arabia) began looking as Russia as an ally and Russia's snob of Biafra was what made them come to accept Russia as against Zionism. This was the begining of the Russia-Arab alliance.

So you see, Marxism never helped anyone

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Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Nobody: 7:59am On Oct 01, 2017
Op are you still asking about communism in the 21st century? It is a dead ideology. Look at most of the countries that embraced in the past: the likes of China,Vietnam,Laos,etcetera,etcetera,etcetera. Do you see how they have silently ditched the ideology in favour of a more 'capitalist economy'? Why is this so? Simple,they found out that the ideology was(still isn't) not workable in the long-run. Even North Korea has sort of ditched communism for a new ideology called Juche(self-reliance). It is a matter of time before Cuba travels down the same lane and I think with a change of leadership starting next year,that is going to start happening.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by correctguy101(m): 9:27am On Oct 01, 2017
In reality, communism is only paper good. It's impractical given the ego construct of men in general.... History has proven that beyond any reasonable doubt.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by hanassholesolo: 11:15am On Oct 01, 2017
I don't know OP, I grew up knowning that a good number of the earths population hated communism.
So i also joined them, it seemed like the right thing to do at the time, except someone can convince me, otherwise i don't really care about different ideology.
Also, Jesus was a communist, but he is Jesus, so he was perfect and a perfect communist, the average human cannot handle all that power and still be humble.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Hardfacts234(m): 1:31pm On Oct 01, 2017
SHTFguy:


Ojukwu was a card carrying member of the British Communist party when he was a student at Oxford.

He was inspired by the political revolutions that was sweeping Latin and S.America and was particular inspired by Che Guevera and Fidel Castro.

He joined the Nigerian Army as a recruit in-order to steer a mutiny among the non-commission officers in the army for the sole purpose of overthrowing the govt and ushering in a communist state. He was found out and forced to join the officer corp(although he was grossly and dangerously overqualified for the job).

Ifeanjuwa was a Marxist who was indoctrinated by into Marxist ideology when he was a student at the University of Ibadan. He too had Marxist wet dreams over uniting Africa following Nkrumah (of Ghana) and Nyere (of Tanzania) communist ideals. Ifeanjuwa was first initiated into Marxist ideology by none other than the subversive character known as Wole Soyinka.

Wole Soyinka was primarily an agent of the MI5 whose main assignment was to steer up radical Nationalist elements within the future intelligentsia on the campus of University of Ibadan. His Pyrate Confraternity was formed for that purpose - that is to instill radical Marxist ideology. The British were getting impatient in waiting for their marxist to hatch and do their bidding towards creating a centrist govt - owing to the discovery of large reserves of oil wells in the then eastern and mid-west Region. So they allowed the then Britsih head of the Nigerian army to overlook the recruitment and commission of graduates into the Nigerian Army.


The reason Ojukwu never got any help from the West, was because he was a communist. And this was the reason Biafra failed!

You will ask why didn't the Soviet help Biafra instead of Nigeria? Because the Soviets were aware of the quagmire the West had entered in the Israeli-Arab war of '66 where the US overlooked the events of the Mid-East and allowed Israel to invade and occupy Arab lands. The Arabs especially Saudi Arabia) began looking as Russia as an ally and Russia's snob of Biafra was what made them come to accept Russia as against Zionism. This was the begining of the Russia-Arab alliance.

So you see, Marxism never helped anyone

I don't like conspiracy theorist !

Why was Fidel Castro's Cuba not among the 5 countries that recognized Biafra then?

Even their Caribbean neighbor Haiti did

Ojukwu never mentioned anything communism or Marxism in all his wartime speeches

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Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Hardfacts234(m): 1:36pm On Oct 01, 2017
Communism is simply unnatural
You are forbidden to own private properties
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Desyner: 2:15pm On Oct 01, 2017
hanassholesolo:
I don't know OP, I grew up knowning that a good number of the earths population hated communism.
So i also joined them, it seemed like the right thing to do at the time, except someone can convince me, otherwise i don't really care about different ideology.
Also, Jesus was a communist, but he is Jesus, so he was perfect and a perfect communist, the average human cannot handle all that power and still be humble.
My inspiration for this thread stems from Act chapter 4 & 5.
In these chapters of The Holy Bible, when the spirit of God moved within a group of believers they embraced communism - the rich among them sold all possesions and shared with the 'needy'. It was a Holy Spirit inspired communism and when Ananias & his wife lied to ''The Holy Ghost'', they died.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Desyner: 2:29pm On Oct 01, 2017
Hardfacts234:
Communism is simply unnatural

You are forbidden to own private properties
I think government inspired and enforced communism is the problem. If a group people who shares similar beliefs decide they want to practice communism I think the govt should allow them. In the book of Acts : 4 & 5 the practised it and remained self-sufficient. In fact it meant they all worked or were productive unlike what we have today where people are hiding behind civilization to live off others.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Desyner: 2:35pm On Oct 01, 2017
correctguy101:
In reality, communism is only paper good. It's impractical given the ego construct of men in general.... History has proven that beyond any reasonable doubt.
The main problem with communism is the love of money - the root of all evils. It ensure everybody is up and doing.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Blue3k(m): 2:40pm On Oct 01, 2017
Desyner:

I think government inspired and enforced communism is the problem. If a group people who shares similar beliefs decide they want to practice communism I think the govt should allow them. In the book of Acts : 4 & 5 the practised it and remained self-sufficient. In fact it meant they all worked or were productive unlike what we have today where people are hiding behind civilization to live off others.

You do know every communist society is an atheist society. Where does the holy spirit factor in. I don't think he is party member.

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Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Desyner: 2:45pm On Oct 01, 2017
Blue3k:


You do know every communist society is an atheist society. Where does the holy spirit factor in. I don't think he is party member.
Did you read the scripture i referenced ? Those in Acts : 4 & 5 were not atheist sir.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by hanassholesolo: 2:55pm On Oct 01, 2017
Desyner:
My inspiration for this thread stems from Act chapter 4 & 5.
In these chapters of The Holy Bible, when the spirit of God moved within a group of believers they embraced communism - the rich among them sold all possesions and shared with the 'needy'. It was a Holy Spirit inspired communism and when Ananias & his wife lied to ''The Holy Ghost'', they died.

Yes, Ananias is a typical example of the people we have in power today. Maybe communism can only work in a perfect world where everyone loves each other equally.
Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by Blue3k(m): 3:02pm On Oct 01, 2017
Desyner:
Did you read the scripture i referenced ? Those in Acts : 4 & 5 were not atheist sir.


Your example doesn't sound like communism unless you think every philanthropic Act is communism. Do those acts mean they eliminated private property and owned goods in common?

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Re: What Is Wrong With Communism ? by correctguy101(m): 3:18pm On Oct 01, 2017
Desyner:
The main problem with communism is the love of money - the root of all evils. It ensure everybody is up and doing.

Nah, nah bruh,
It's our own ego.... Truth is, there's money but money does not really exist. That's what birthed the idea for some see money creating a divide. But it does not.
Communism ain't natural, it's not how nature works.
The strong, smart and brave will forever be higher than the timid, weak and lazy. That's nature not money....

Mind you, how can something that doesn't exist be the root of all evil? There's no money, there are only ideas. Money is an idea. It becomes anything we think it is...

That's nature,...

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