martineverest:
Look at dis dunce.... What's different different BTW tax with govt and tithe with pastors?..... U pay pastors higher than u pay govt.

Go to Italy and see what catholic is doing with illegal immigrants and homeless

Samklef abi na Wyclef, why aren't criticizing pope, tb Joshua for not helping ppl?

Fish brain called yeyebrities

U just dey blab.. wetin u know
Take sense

Read:
The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an Airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. But no let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you ran your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your useless govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 16,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith a single Church is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters yet it was electricity all through, for one second water did not go off inspite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 meters before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your foul mouth to talk down on pastors! Ode

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Oyedepo who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 100 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation. Mumu

Canaanland host hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Your govt gathered ppl at stadium for recruitment excersise and before it even began many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet your govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

Joe50:
Samklef, Nigeria government and Nigeria pastors any difference between?

Since u wan hear answer make I borrow you sense. If u no get sense after u don read. You cert needs to b withdrawn
Read:
The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an Airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. But no let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you ran your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your useless govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 16,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith a single Church is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters yet it was electricity all through, for one second water did not go off inspite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 meters before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your foul mouth to talk down on pastors! Ode

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Oyedepo who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 100 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation. Mumu

Canaanland host hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Your govt gathered ppl at stadium for recruitment excersise and before it even began many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet your govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.

It is called counsel. Pastors whose focus is business are being counsel. No one is too big for counselling.

what of this one

bsideboii:
Well,he has a point!

He has none. I think he should attack his church members who choose to pay tithe every month and have never paid a dime to GOVERNMENT in tax. Yet we expect Government to build d hospitals while the pastor u paid the money to does.....

prettyboy5:
How funny!

This is the type of mentality which makes Africans so backwards as compared to others.

So a pastor(a human being) can not be talked about or his actions scrutinized right, because he is a god or what? And the same Bible talked how in the last days there would be a lot of false prophets.

Don't bring up the "Africans are so backward" talk.

Do you know what happened in America when they requested to see the books of all the churches in the same manner you wish "Africans" could?

Do some research and stop feeling that you as an African are in a backward country because you think the rest of the world runs on golden wheels.

safarigirl:
My brother, there is a saying that Mad people always think sane people are mad

Sacrosanct!

bjhaid:
Are the pastors not dining with polithiefians?, how many of them have openly criticised dem?

See better questions wey you ask.
I wonder if any of the worshipers and idolaters of pastorpreneur gods of men have answered you.





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Tellemall:
Don't bring up the "Africans are so backward" talk.
Do you know what happened in America when they requested to see the books of all the churches in the same manner you wish "Africans" could?
Do some research and stop feeling that you as an African are in a backward country because you think the rest of the world runs on golden wheels.

Indeed you are correct.
See as Americans are praying and fasting for breakthrough visas and hustling their way to come to Africa.
Just tell us that you were joking.

liljboy:
It’s okay to marry a woman old enough to be your mother, you can still explain that as love, but someone old enough to be your grandmother?



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todaynewsreview:
The bodies of at least 74 migrants have been washed ashore in western Libya, in the latest tragedy along the dangerous trafficking route to Europe. The Libyan Red Crescent posted photos of dozens of bodies in black and white bags lined up along the shore near the western city of Zawiya.
A spokesman for the aid organisation said there were still bodies floating out at sea as the agency had no way of retrieving them. He said the migrants were all adults, mostly from sub-Saharan African countries, and all but three were men.
The UN migration agency, the International Organisation of Migration (IOM), said the dinghy had set off on Saturday with 110 people on board. The agency said traffickers deliberately took the engines from the boat and then abandoned it to drift.

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Pastors don fry this one sense, see him khaki coat!

smulti:
Both the government and the pastors are operating in the same frequency
which is scam !!!.

Well said.
Flesh and blood have not revealed this to you. No. It was revealed directly from the Holy Spirit.


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U'R RELEVANT IS DEAD BRO ,BOTH UR SO CALLED PASTORS AND THE PPLE WE VOTED FOR ARE JUST OPERATING IN THE SAME WAY.JUST TRY AND SHUT UP YOUR MOUTH,U ARE NO MORE RELEVANT.

Thank to social media.all mediocre. All nobodies av now become someone. Who again is this one.may be one of those Nigeria braindead hilop celebrity

phatsoar1:
FOR THE RECORDS!

Someone’s response to Charly Boy after he labelled Pastors as conmen,.

Read:

The fact is many Nigerians are loosing it. They can't think beyond going after pastors.

In what way has pastors prevented Nigeria from owning an Airline

In what way do pastors prevent Nigeria from having industries

Less than 0.0001% of pastors own Jets in Nigeria. But no let us forget the over 70% that earn less than 50k/month and focus on the 0.0001% than own jets.

If you ran your governments the way church leaders are running churches. Nigeria might be a Qatar right now. In all these argument Canaanland has had stable electricity and water supply for its over 15,000 residents since 1999 and is already on the verge of converting waste to electricity. RCCG is producing 25MW of electricity. Yet your useless govt you pay compulsory tax, vat, CIT, Pet Tax has not been able to give you light decades after independence.

Living Faith has more than 16,000 Staff and has never owed any of them salary! Yet your state govt that collects Allocation plus Tax cannot pay full salary.

Living Faith a single Church is schooling 16 thousand of your Citizens in Higher institutions and many more at primary and Secondary levels yet you think you have the capacity to waggle your tongue

I went for Shiloh all through and stayed in the staff quarters yet it was electricity all through, for one second water did not go off inspite of thousands that were present. On a normal day you won't walk 20 meters before you find a segregated bin to dispose your waste.

The entire area was fully covered by different layers of Security with multiple CCTV and IoT enabled barrier gates. And yet your Abuja, capital of the Nation does not have CCTV yet you open your foul mouth to talk down on pastors!

Between the guy that calls himself Area father and Oyedepo who resigned a federal job and started a Church of 3 people and has widened it to over 6,000 churches globally, over 100 schools, 2 hospitals, Over 1000hectares farm for livestock and crop, Another farm in Igbesa and CU. With 15,000 housing Estate, Water factories, Zeolite factory, One Research center, a scholarship fund, Beverage factories, 10 million books, Publishing house, Radio Station etc who has had more impact or who will have better capacity to govern the nation...

Canaanland host hundreds of thousands of people every week yet no stampede ever. Your govt gathered ppl at stadium for recruitment excersise and before it even began many were dead!

Living Faith already has a master plan till 2032 yet your govt does not have a plan for 2020!

You know Illogicality is the trademark of most Africans. They fail to think beyond their prejudices and sentiments hence Africa has remained on the ground.
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Tell them majority of Nigerians are dunces

Tellemall:


Don't bring up the "Africans are so backward" talk.

Do you know what happened in America when they requested to see the books of all the churches in the same manner you wish "Africans" could?

Do some research and stop feeling that you as an African are in a backward country because you think the rest of the world runs on golden wheels.

Look here, Africa is indeed a backward continent and this country alike swimming in backwardness, I'm not thinking it, but that's the undiluted truth!

The only thing that folks are good for here is being so overly engrossed about anything that has to do with religion, we are the most religious yet the most corrupt, how funny! And in terms of development, we are as backward as Michael Jackson doing a moon walk, what has your country contributed in percentage to developmental progress of the world apart from carrying religion and tribe on their heads?

Who endorses these same politicians and gets their account fat during elections?

2special:
they should get a life.... the pastors are not part of their problem....Elijah collected this last meal of a widow dose that make him a scammer...though we have fake pastor....all my enemy if they fail to repent should die....why must u make yourself my enemy... if u fail to repent... u must die...a proud redeem member.

iOMG!!! U seriously used this analogy? So wat became of the widow later after feeding Elijah?? Please Elijah is a typical example of *Man Of God* called and anointed by God.

streamsofjoy:


So all pastors are false prophets?

Madam I will quote my message again for clarity sake.

prettyboy5:
How funny!

This is the type of mentality which makes Africans so backwards as compared to others.

So a pastor(a human being) can not be talked about or his actions scrutinized right, because he is a god or what? And the same Bible talked how in the last days there would be a lot of false prophets.

From my last statement how does saying "a lot" equate to "all" according to you? I would have said Nairaland needs to check the amount of little kids who comment here but even a 7 year old doesn't lack such basic English comprehension ability which you just displayed to be lacking.

smulti:
Both the government and the pastors are operating in the same frequency

which is scam !!!
.

You are wrong

most of the people here talking about this tithe issue are Muslims......and the Christians like me here are the one that dont even go church or pay the tithe before till now..... Why are we defending the ones that never complain of paying the tithe?why are we so concern about this tithe that we even forget our daily duty?.... ;

2special:
they should get a life.... the pastors are not part of their problem....Elijah collected this last meal of a widow dose that make him a scammer...though we have fake pastor....all my enemy if they fail to repent should die....why must u make yourself my enemy... if u fail to repent... u must die...a proud redeem member.

Daddy G.O don brainwash this one.

lovelylad:
Who is samklef?
Is he a bricklayer or a carpenter?

Samclef is plumber

Try to be updated.


Ventured into plumbing when he couldnt sustain a career in music.

Who be this one kwanu? Taaa, come on commot for road. Nonsense!

christinme224:
most of the people here talking about this tithe issue are Muslims......and the Christians like me here are the one that dont even go church or pay the tithe before till now..... Why are we defending the ones that never complain of paying the tithe?why are we so concern about this tithe that we even forget our daily duty?.... ;

I must commend you for this observation,ninety percent of negative comments in Christian related threads are made by the suicide bombers who hide under their wicked,pretentious religious haram.though our greedy pastors are not helping matters.

smulti:
Both the government and the pastors are operating in the same frequency

which is scam !!!
.

At least presidents are elected.

Pastors "annoint" themselves.

Caseless:



Fuel for his music generator don finish, na dis one him wan take get attention.


Carry on...

lol

Everythinggoes:
True its written touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm imagine no man of God had jets then Gods word on the riches of his kingdom will be made void. The bible made us to understand that there is a time the world will depend on Gods kingdom to survive. Amen

Specific Bible reference please....

Is it because Freeze and people like us are simply asking for biblical proof for things they claim? It is the spiritual that controls the physical and so it is reaeanable to question those who drive our spiritual vehicle otherwise they will plunge us to hell with their selfish and dirty lifestyle. So what do you mean by saying that those who criticize pastors don't have sense? You have lost your own sense that is why you jump into hasty conclusion without engaging your sawdust brain.

Harrynight:


i may not be their member, but den ill not sit back and watch dem mislead their innocent and ignorant memebers with their lies!

I'm not saying we should not be critical of Our pastors, all I saying is that we should not be so busy with the pastors like some people are doing and forgetting the government that is accountable to everyone. Pastors are not the cause of majority of the problems in Nigeria.

Hope he pays his own tithe and I don't think his music career should just go down like that because base on some teaching of some pastor when you pay your tithe there be open windows of heaven which suppose to sky rocket his music career,...#titheisnotbyforce

metronaija3:
As tweeted by Nigerian producer and musician, Samklef.



https://mobile.twitter.com/SAMKLEF/status/942006449445752832

It's a very unfortunate comment though. Yes it might contain a cogent point but saying people lack sense is out of order in truth.

Even if the politicians don't do the right things but they are fond of giving tithes out of their earnings be it via legal means or not and all that is required of the spiritual leaders is to obey Our (GOD) commandment in relation to the tithing concept.

At least and No matter what, Those in need abound amongst the various dominational congregants if reaching out to the Non-member potential beneficiary/beneficiaries around.

Or is it a ploy to attract gift favor from them now?

By the way, The below is a recap of the lay down prescription relating to the tithing/Zakat concept Once again


1. Tithes/Zakat is 10% of wealth valuation

2. It is to be a monthly payment levy

3. Sorting and payment can be made as a composite of 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, or 12 month as the case may be

4. The beneficiaries includes

THE ELDERLY

WIDOWS

ORPHANS

LESS PRIVILEGED

PEOPLE LIVING WITH DISABILITIES/PHYSICALLY CHALLENGED

5. They are to be given directly

6. In the event of difficulties in locating them, The tithe/Zakat can then be given to the Spiritual leaders in churches and community mosques for onward transmission to the beneficiaries above that can be seen amongst the church and community members as the above outlets are already established and can easily trace them

7. Gift/Sowing seed/ Sadakat is quite different from the concept of Tithing definition above and it has No restriction in value and can be given to any One.

ie Spiritual Leaders or any of the aforementioned beneficiaries above.

8. We have to include the Zakat and sadakat idea too to inform the Muslim faithfuls of their necessary obligation as well.

9. The above are meant to complement the designed ground plan to create avenues for funds in taking care of the above mentioned people comprehensively via

1. SOWING/SADAKAT OUTLETS at different exit points at the PILGRIMAGE/HAJJ CENTERS in any CURRENCY OF CHOICE BY THE PILGRIMS

2. ACCOUNT DETAILS shall also be provided to serve the same purpose of SOWING SEEDS/SADAKAT as well at the same OUTLETS such that should a PILGRIM RUN OUT OF CASH, THEN HE OR SHE CAN contribute his or her own quota via BANK TRANSFER.

10. Maybe and Yes definitely, Communities and Estates shall be provided for the different categories of the beneficiaries so as to make every undertakings Easier for all as some PRIVATE COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS MIGHT NOT LIKE PAYING TO THE ENLISTED ALREADY but would require identified points of giving out their public corporate responsibilities as a way of even ADVERTISING THEIR ORGANIZATIONS FOR IDENTIFYING WITH THE ABOVE GROUP OF PEOPLE.


11. The above is not a suggestion but the tenant of the SPIRITUAL COMMITMENT TO US (GOD) BY/FOR MANKIND.

PROPHET TB JOSHUA &

LOVELY UNITARY GOD