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Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by ettybaba(m): 1:29pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
lakhadimar:Bros I tire you them o. 2 Likes |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by gbadexy(m): 1:31pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Teniola2000:Medical doctors and scientists write textbooks and journals too. I think those require more knowledge and skill to do. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by nku5: 1:34pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
gbadexy: They were certainly comrades, close colleagues and "friends" for many decades.Though now we know better. Read this Soyinka article for context www.saharareporters.com/2013/06/18/village-mourners-association-wole-soyinka 1 Like |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by arrestdarrester: 1:34pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
HeyCorleone: Now who is the medical doctor you're beefing? I advise you to call that person up and compare your flair for reading with him or her. On the other hand you may just be surprised you are no where close to the person in written English, whether on records in standardized exams or otherwise. The fact that any writer did not study literature in english or literary arts does not make such a fellow any less a skilled writer. Its all about flair, polishing and finesse. That said, I must say you know next to nothing about writing or story telling. You are one of those who think you must practice what you read in school. Professionalism in all disciplines have since gone beyond that. Writing is no different. Its either you have a flair for it or not. And those who have a flair for it need some polishing here and there to establish themselves in the art. 1 Like |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by chuksanambra: 1:38pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
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Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Sapiosexuality(m): 1:39pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
HeyCorleone:Medical Doctor writing novel is dearth of Literature? Have you heard of Cyprian Ekwensi? What is his profession again? |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Bollinger(m): 1:53pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
DuBLINGreenb: How is that possible? |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Bollinger(m): 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
kallmemrB: Are you sure about that? If the comments on NL are anything to go by, it is definitely not want you want as a people. Definitely not. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by verygudbadguy(m): 1:55pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Teniola2000:Please, learn to be civil. The guy you quoted passed his message without insulting anybody. Respect is reciprocal. I can't deal with young guys and gals coming on this platform to disrespect people. Nairaland is for educated folks. Some of the young guys here will see other Nairalanders outside and address them as Sirs/Mas. There are CEOs, philanthropists, Celebrities and other important personalities here. You never can tell who you would need later. Do not be quick to rain insult even if you feel insulted. Learn to keep your cool. The fact that the forum is faceless doesn't mean we should disrespect one another. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by smith666999(m): 1:56pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
legends with no blings on, yet they are celebrated across the world for a job well done. unlike the youths of today chocking themselves with chains, singing copyright and contributing absolutely nothing positive to humanity. especially that one called BlackFace... keep dragging African Queen |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Gbagbazios: 1:56pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
That was the time when reading books was obsession for students. Now social media has taken the shine off genuine interest to invest time and material in books. May be, just may be, we may never have the like of the trio in generation. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Gbagbazios: 1:58pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
That was the time when reading books was obsession for students. Now social media has taken the shine off genuine interest to invest time and material in books. May be, just may be, we may never have the like of the trio in our generation. 1 Like |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by AreaFada2: 2:01pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
HeyCorleone:Actually doctors and medically inclined people are some of the best writers out there. Achebe got scholarship to study medicine at University College Ibadan. He switched to Literature at UCI, now UI. Chimamanda Adichie even began medical studies. The American Afghan writer, Khaled Hosseini is a doctor. He wrote "The Kite Runner, A Thousand Splendid Suns etc". Brilliant novels and was even invited to the White House by George Bush Jnr. If you are an avid reader you will have read books by the following medical doctors: Anton Chekov, Friedrich Schiller (one of the best German wrirets ever), Francois Rabelais, Arthur Conan-Doyle, Michael Crichton, Oliver Wendell-Holmes, Nawal El-Sadaawi, Robin Cook, and many more. And many who left medical studies half-way became brilliant writers such as John Keats, Oliver Goldsmith, etc. Doctors get close to people, get to know all their secrets: physical, health, sexuality, employment, economic, financial, marital issues and more. Hardly anybody else gets to understand the human condition on daily basis than a doctor. At least as practiced in the West. All these are stuff of good literature. Now in terms of ability, medical candidates typically excel in all subjects: arts/languages, social science, science, maths, etc. Most medical students have As or A stars throughout. I am again referring to the West like France, UK and others that I am familiar with. So why should they not excel as writers? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by safarigirl(f): 2:05pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
lakhadimar:there was nothing in that statement that connoted he was looking at anything through the lens of "we vs them" Whenever you accuse someone of something that isn't obvious, it must mean you have a similar outlook in life. Check yourself 1 Like |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Nobody: 2:29pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by HeyCorleone(m): 2:44pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
AreaFada2: I get your POV. The Achebe you mentioned studied English Literature at U.I. So I don't understand why you singled him out. The Chimamanda you mentioned also graduated summa cum laude in Communications and Political science, has 2 Masters degree in Creative Arts and African study. Why you mentioned those 2 people is quite beyond me because it seemed you were opposing my view. It goes beyond saying that one must at least know the basics of literature before embarking on a project in the creative arts. Education in Nigeria is one that doesn't do well to balance things up for people. Now, ask a science student in the University when last he did Literature, he'd say JS3 or before then, and any sane person knows Literature in Junior school was crap. Now tell me how can a person understand what exactly it is to write? It's not just enough to swallow all Sidney Sheldon's books or read anything by Stephen King or any other best seller. Do you really understand what it means to write? Do you understand the stages of a story? (conflict, climax, resolution) Do you have ideas of styles and techniques to employ in writing? And you want to write a book?? LoL.. Writing, whether we like it or not, is an art, and like all arts must be mastered, otherwise you'd be a very terrible writer. One of the very worst books I've read in recent times is "The Last Days Of Forcados High". Borrowed it from a neighbour's kid, and man was I depressed. The book was lacking in content. Fine the author had a nice story, but he doesn't know how to write. The depressing thing of all is the book is JAMB recommended. Anyways, you mentioned some foreign names.. Lol.. These are writers who did literature and took part in literary activities till Grade 12, unlike here where they split us into departments. Surely they'd be grounded in literature. And also why in university, they may decide to minor in some art course, which is quite impossible here. So why won't they make brilliant writers after mastering the art of writing. But here you have medical doctors who don't know the difference between a simile and a metaphor, who read all things medicine for fear of getting a 'C', and who have no idea about extensive writing coming out to write books or poems. Lol.. That is why everything in Nigeria is awful. Because we just assume any dick can do any work in the field of art or the social sciences. That is why our Journalism is rubbish, our music rubbish, and the art of governance rubbish. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by HeyCorleone(m): 2:49pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Teniola2000: Lol. Ok |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Intrepid01(m): 3:11pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
arrestdarrester: Bros, you still didnt get that guy's point, I'll advise you calm down, sheathe your sword and re-read his comment. I for one believe that the act of "professionalism" that you used was rather to loose....to attain mastery and professionalism in anything, specific trainings are required. Fine, passion is a recipe for attaining it, but it doesn't confer professionalism...thank you. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Intrepid01(m): 3:19pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
HeyCorleone: You're very much on point sir, "act of professionalism" can't be acquired wihout formal training. Apparently that is lacking in many so called writers. The sole reason I stopped reading Literatures on Nl,they are all just some beautifully packed incoherent stories for babies...... I hope people will be humble enough to let their passion for literature drive them to acquiring formal training on he subject matter. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Akalia(m): 3:27pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Big grammar plenty for this thread. People are just shading each other in a bid to massage their egos. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by wilsontonye: 4:19pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
lakhadimar: Like Seriously 1 Like |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by ruffDiamond: 4:31pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
nku5:wait a minute,I didn't hear about that is that really true? that Soyinka didn't attend Achebe burial?? I remember him saying 'he was devastated',..about Achebe's demise! bros please fear God na |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by ruffDiamond: 4:49pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
smith666999:no my friend do you really know the meaning of a two faced fellow?... Googled it up and tell me your finding later!the real talent is blackface! and not the cunny ,traitor TWO-FACED, double standard niggah who changed his name to tubaba! |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by armadeo(m): 6:03pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
This thread has been opened over and over on nairaland. Anyway it's new to those who haven't seen it before. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by Nickydrake(m): 6:18pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
HeyCorleone: If, as you say, the bolded is what you meant, then still you must accept blame for not expressing yourself competently. Wherever there is brilliant art, there are dull imitations to be found, and every nation, at any given time, must endure its own share of mediocre artists just as it revels in the genius of the masters. Today, as that picture illustrates, we define Achebe's generation by the best among them -- Soyinka, Achebe, Clark -- and this is the reason we remember that era so fondly. By your comment you have sought to define the present generation of writers by the worst among them. You have treated an entire era as though it were a single organism, and then passed unfavourable judgment on it. Is it any surprise, then, that other commenters have protested? HeyCorleone: As with all skills, one must learn the ropes and practice hard in order to gain proficiency, but formal training is not integral to wordcraft. There are many writers of high distinction who did not need MAs or diplomas in creative writing, and there is no justification for the rather absurd claim that foreign writers receive such fine tutoring in grade school that they just had to become master scribes in adulthood. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by chrsty: 6:31pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Achebe was a good story teller, so was my grandmother. Turning from a raconteur to an art of sublimity and depth belongs to the masters. Because of his influence on a continent, I compare him with Samuel Johnson of the Shakespearean era. He was described as a great writer but not a great artist. copied. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by guinea1(m): 6:37pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
ibelieveu:Grow up bro...stop hating |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by HeyCorleone(m): 7:30pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
Nickydrake: I don't understand what you're trying to pass across. Especially at the end. No one is saying you must compulsorily study Literature in school. But if by happenstance you decide to go into writing and you're not familiar with literature, attend side classes and seminars and workshop. Just get acquainted with the basics of what you're about to go into. A great deal of these students in the sciences spend a greater part of their school days using numbers and calculations. They hardly do extensive writing. Then suddenly they wake up one morning and decide to go into writing. The most advisable thing to do in such situation is to just take lessons. That's why we have so many quack electricians and "chemists" around. People who have zero knowledge in electrical works or drugs dispensation be doing it because they don't need "formal training", after all is it not commonsense?! I think we should begin to take subjects in the Arts and Social Sciences very seriously and stop feeling it's a field any airhead can just dab into whenever they like. and mention some of these your writers of high distinction without formal training. |
Re: JP Clark, Achebe & Soyinka At Dodan Barracks In 1986 (Throwback Photo) by AreaFada2: 8:56pm On Dec 26, 2017 |
HeyCorleone:Well I did science at school. But during the long " vacation" myself and relatives read around 30 to 50 novels. My cousin who is now a US-based architect used to read up 100 novels. We were are science students. One cannot generalise really. Despite the rot in Nigerian education there are versatile individuals out there. By the way there is no record of William Shakespeare having any brilliant education. He did not even go to university. Yet his contemporaries who went through Oxbridge did not do better than him in terms of literary achievement. |
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