asuustrike2009:

Indeed. You just wasting your time. You haven't pointed on single scriptures from the bible were tithe was condemned. You have beingg arguing unnecessary. Your argument has being baseless because no single bible verse that say don't pay tithe. You just assume something were there is nothing

asuustrike2009:

Stick to Jesus teaching or the word of God in general. Why would stick one at the expense of another?
Did you see where it's mandatory to give first fruit?. You sound as if it is compulsory. Nobody is forcing anyone to give be it first fruit or tithe. It is not compulsory to give just as is not compulsory to be blessed

asuustrike2009:

Indeed. You just wasting your time. You haven't pointed on single scriptures from the bible were tithe was condemned. You have beingg arguing unnecessary. Your argument has being baseless because no single bible verse that say don't pay tithe. You just assume something were there is nothing

asuustrike2009:


1. Have you admitted that Christianity is all about love? ...before we start to distinguish between love of god and love o neighbor, as if they are different.
Yes.

2.Have you acknowledged that you are doing the same thing you accuse freeze of which is fighting for God.
no because Freeze is a confusionist.

3. Freeze should remove the log in his eyes before finding faults. it would have being better if he had mind his business instead of causing confusion and breeding hatred,

4. Back to the message, is it right to receive first fruit of gifts given to students, aged, poor and jobless?
yes is it right. it is not compulsory that you give but if you give from the little you have then it shows that you are doing it out of love not compulsion.

OkCornel:


Very good!

Let us stick to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles.

Kindly open the Bible and show us where Jesus or the Apostles demanded first fruits (in monetary or agro-product form) from Christians...

Afterall, they are the bedrock of the church...aren't they?



I have warned against using old testament terminologies to induce Christians to give, that is FRAUD and MANIPULATION.
You can refer to how first fruits were paid by the Jews as instructed by God if indeed you want to really do first fruits...

Tell us if you are practising Judaism, Christianity OR Judeo-Christianity (which most Pentecostal churches are doing!)

Stop pouring old wine in a new wine skin

OkCornel:


I have also given you these Bible verses to show me where else it was stated we should not do these. If you aren't doing these, what then is your reason?

Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12;
11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
12"You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.…

Leviticus 19:19
'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

IF YOU LOVE GOD SO MUCH, ARE YOU ALSO ADHERING TO THESE LAWS such as making tassels on the four corners of your garments? If no, what could be your reason?





Back to the tithing issue;

1) Tell us how you pay tithes, and if it is in line with the way God demands it.

2) Read up Hebrews 7 v 12 and tell us if tithing is obligatory on Christians if Jesus truly fulfilled all the requirements of the Law

Hebrews 7:12
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
12 For if the Priesthood be changed, then of necessity must there be a change of the Law.

3) Show us in the Bible where God instructed that tithes be paid with money instead of agro-products.

Thank you.

asuustrike2009:

You are not making sense at all. No biblical backing against your assertion except perceived belief. You still beating around the bush without making sense.

asuustrike2009:

The issue is tithe. Any you have not point a single bible passage that said don't. You are just jumping hear and there. Stick the subject at hand and point exactly the bible passage were it stated don't pay tithe stop using irrelevant scriptures to buttress a point.

rejosom:
Good. It shows you may be teachable after-all. Please, don't fall my hand as we progress.
Well, the ONLY way to show your love for God is by loving your neighbor (who of course is the image of God).
Maybe he is a confusionist, you may have to prove that anyways. But, the thing is this you are fighting him (for God) because according to you he is used by lucifer (If only you knew whom Lucifer is) and at the same time accusing him of fighting for God. Have you acknowledged that you are wrong in that aspect? Remove pride so that we can proceed.
Maybe his business is pointing out the ills in the church. If that is the case, I am sure he is trying hard to mind his business. He may have log in his eyes, but the fault he has found is still there unaddressed. Can't we address both his log and the fault? If a thieve points to you that your house is on fire, will you leave your house to burn down because a thief informed you of the fire?
So, if you give your son money to return to school in January and he comes back the next day saying he gave it to pastor as first fruit, what will you do?

Finally, I wish that you take your time to read and understand my post before answering. Thanks.

asuustrike2009:

Like I said freeze should mind his business. Whatever my son does with his money is not my concern.my concern is that he graduate with good grades that's the aim. My brother forget pride, whatever heat freeze and co are receiving, they deserve it. They should learn to mind their business

asuustrike2009:

Like I said freeze should mind his business. Whatever my son does with his money is not my concern.my concern is that he graduate with good grades that's the aim. My brother forget pride, whatever heat freeze and co are receiving, they deserve it. They should learn to mind their business

rejosom:


I wanted to ignore you from this point as per the bold statement, but I will be doing you a great disservice. First, you should care what your son does with his money....he may be sponsoring book haram with it. Again, I don't the good grade your son is aiming is one that should be gotten at all cost. Change that mentality.

Moving forward, about heat....we all know who is really receiving the heat.

About minding his business, well obviously, from your statement church is business and since freeze is not in that line of business. I get it. More like saying if you are not a politician just shut it, and let the rot GI round. Never you complain when they loot and embezzle. That's a way a nation grows. Kudos to the leaders of tomorrow. Kudos to Christians o today!

Thanks for your time bro.

OkCornel:


It would be sad if that guy you've been discussing with ends up criticizing the Pharisees as well.

So much for trying to remove the speck in another person's eye.

Traditions vs TRUTH, that is what the guy is struggling with

rejosom:


I gave up when he said "whatever his son does with the money he gives him is not his business"
It's a pity. I don't think I will be quoting him again.

rejosom:


I wanted to ignore you from this point as per the bold statement, but I will be doing you a great disservice. First, you should care what your son does with his money....he may be sponsoring book haram with it. Again, I don't think the good grade your son is aiming is one that should be gotten at all cost. Change that mentality.

Moving forward, about heat....we all know who is really receiving the heat.

About minding his business, well obviously, from your statement church is business and since freeze is not in that line of business. I get it. More like saying if you are not a politician just shut it, and let the rot GI round. Never you complain when they loot and embezzle. That's a way a nation grows. Kudos to the leaders of tomorrow. Kudos to Christians o today!

Thanks for your time bro.

asuustrike2009:

Indeed! Thank you Mr who always mis quote and mis interpret things

PaChukwudi44:


it is a much greater sin against God to prey on the poor and weak in the name of tithes or first fruits than to have a baby mama

Penalty82:


And the poor widow was not directed by Jesus to collect back her last money she offered.


Common sense should have told you that no one forces you or drags your pocket to offer in the house of God. What are the so called poor doing in the Church sense you claim that the church is exploiting them you should goan take them out from the church and establish them.

BushWickBill:


Typical Christian.

When they can't counter you with logic or common sense, they resort to insults.

This is why nobody takes you people seriously, because you never practice what your Jesus tells you. You just go to church because you are poor and need a miracle to solve your financial problems. You do not even love your Jesus enough to obey him.

I'm pretty sure that your Jesus is proud of your conduct on these pages. And if this is how you uncouth lot behave, I don't want any parts of it.

OkCornel:


But why did the Pastor include the poor and dependents like students as part of the first fruit donors?

By the way, when did God instruct first fruits to be paid monetarily?

I'm not against voluntary first fruit giving o...BUT let it be done the way God instructed it to be done...and if that is not feasible, please and please Jesus has given a better model of giving which is in Matthew 25 v 31-46. Let the followers of Jesus stick to that instead of practicing what I would call Judeo-Christianity

Cheers

Penalty82:



Because you lots hate Christians and pastors so Freeze is giving you guys what to talk about. If truly you know what poverty is all about, you will agree with me that Freeze is mad for posting those rubbish. Read the account of biblical POOR Lazarus and tell me how such person will pay first fruit.

aiir2303:

Look at a supposed Christian passing judgement on freeze, dishonoring the parents of someone else.
He says if you have nothing constructive to say shut up like he knew you had none. The next thing is to put his parents into the equation.

Penalty82:



Because you lots hate Christians and pastors so Freeze is giving you guys what to talk about. If truly you know what poverty is all about, you will agree with me that Freeze is mad for posting those rubbish. Read the account of biblical POOR Lazarus and tell me how such person will pay first fruit.

OkCornel:


And what is the way out of Poverty?

How did you also come to the conclusion that I HATE CHRISTIANS?

Carefully study what the Pastor stated in the flier;

"If you are suffering check your offering", "If things are tight, check your tithe"----> Is this consistent with the messages Jesus preached in His life?

Are tithers having everything smooth in their life? Are those paying offerings exempt from suffering? Kindly give me a honest answer to this

OkCornel:


Also do well to check the verses I highlighted in Acts 15 where certain confusionists were preaching that it was necessary to keep to be circumcised and keep the laws of Moses (which includes first fruits and tithes).

1) What was the Apostles' response to this?

2) Tell us if the Pastor is going against what the Apostles preached...by even having the temerity to demand first fruits in Christendom!

Penalty82:



Can you explain what Jesus meant by "give and it shall be given unto you..."

Penalty82:



If the pastor asks you to do all that the apostles did can you do them?

Penalty82:



Can you explain what Jesus meant by "give and it shall be given unto you..."

Penalty82:



I didn't insult you, I only directed you on where to take your insults to. Thank you.


You're now calling Jesus but you never remembered Him when you were insulting me.

OkCornel:


The message is very straightforward...it says give and it shall be given unto you...

My questions to you is this;

1) How did Jesus preach that His followers should give? Matthew 25 v 31-46 states that.

And the beauty of it is that such model of giving is not limited to the stringent requirements of how tithes and first fruits were paid under the Law. The early church was a clear testimony to this. My life is also a testimony to this!

2) Where did God instruct that tithes and first fruits be paid monetarily?

3) Per question 2, If there is no instruction to back this up, why is the church using old covenant terminologies to extort money...rather than fruits or the objects to be tithed as instructed by God in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-23?

22 Thou shalt give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of
thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine, and of thy sheep, that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

THIS IS WHAT WE CALL FRAUD, MANIPULATION AND MISREPRESENTATION OF FACTS

BushWickBill:


Lol.

I know you can't read, but please spell out my "insults" to you, this childish Christian.

You are a sad imitation of your Jesus (please read very well, this dyslexic sufferer).


L

Pained,

you're a sad imitation of your Satan.