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Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 7:19pm On Jan 12
All religions NEVER appealed to me because of the levels of contradictions in the teachings and blatant hypocrisy of the followers. wink

I am happily Agnostic. cool
I have had peace believing what I believe to form a unique philosophical mind.

I simply take ONLY THE GOOD in all teachings or RELIGIONS and live my life.

No preaching or conversions necessary.

The only GOD I know is the one in my heart.
The one I can question without fear.
The one I don’t have to love or respect BY FORCE!

The GOD in my heart I try to understand, because IT is just as complex as I am. kiss


If you have a mind that is filled with curiosity and refreshing perspectives, please represent yourselves.

BEFORE YOU POST IGNORANTLY, GOOGLE THE TERM AGNOSTICISM.
All other believers please respect yourselves! kiss

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 7:20pm On Jan 12
Let me help you a little.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable.[1][2][3]

According to the philosopher William L. Rowe, "agnosticism is the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist".[2] Agnosticism is a doctrine or set of tenets[4] rather than a religion.
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 7:24pm On Jan 12
List of great agnostics. wink
Looking for BLACK AGNOSTICS. kiss


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_agnostics
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 7:27pm On Jan 12
Yes.

Atheism is NOT Agnosticism! cool
They are 2 different things.
Please, educate YOURSELF.
Thanks in advance. kiss

To be continued. cool
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Acidosis(m): 7:27pm On Jan 12
You're agnostic because: (i) you can't prove that God exists, and (ii) you can't prove that God does not exists.



So why do you continually fault the existence of God? Aren't you supposed to remain neutral?

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by durentchigozie(m): 7:35pm On Jan 12
Hello sugar mummy kiss
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Proudgorgeousga(f): 10:25pm On Jan 12
Acidosis:
You're agnostic because: (i) you can't prove that God exists, and (ii) you can't prove that God does not exists.



So why do you continually fault the existence of God? Aren't you supposed to remain neutral?

where did she continually fault the existence of a God?
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Acidosis(m): 10:40pm On Jan 12
Proudgorgeousga:

where did she continually fault the existence of a God?
on Nairaland
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Acidosis(m): 10:41pm On Jan 12
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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Acidosis(m): 10:42pm On Jan 12
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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Proudgorgeousga(f): 10:50pm On Jan 12
Acidosis:

on Nairaland
example? cos I haven't seen it.
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by AgentOfAllah: 4:39am On Jan 13
KanwuliaExtra:
Yes.

Atheism is NOT Agnosticism! cool
They are 2 different things.
Please, educate YOURSELF.
Thanks in advance. kiss

To be continued. cool
Granted, both aren't the same, but they are also not mutually exclusive. I'm an agnostic atheist for example. As a matter of fact, I'm an atheist precisely because of my agnosticism.
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 5:10am On Jan 13
AgentOfAllah:

Granted, both aren't the same, but the are also not mutually exclusive. I'm an agnostic atheist for example. As a matter of fact, I'm an atheist precisely because of my agnosticism.

I agree. I guess I am an agonistic-theist then.
Thanks for the clarification. kiss

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 5:20am On Jan 13
Proudgorgeousga:


example? cos I haven't seen it.
kiss
Thank you oooooooooh!


Acidosis:


on Nairaland

Still waiting for proof.
I only ? the nature of the existence of deities in religions and the lack of consistency and RATIONALITY in the doctrines they propagate through their so-called prophets, messangers and believers. That is what agnostic-theists do.

Thank you.
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by AgentOfAllah: 6:41am On Jan 13
KanwuliaExtra:


I agree. I guess I am an agonistic-theist then.
To be clear, is it your meaning that while you have no knowledge of the existence of any god per se, you believe that one exists? That's how I would interpret the posture of an agnostic-theist.

Thanks for the clarification. kiss
Anytime! smiley
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 2:31pm On Jan 13
AgentOfAllah:

To be clear, is it your meaning that while you have no knowledge of the existence of any god per se, you believe that one exists? That's how I would interpret the posture of an agnostic-theist.


Anytime! smiley

Oh yes. I believe I have a personal “God”.
The nature/s of the so-called “existing Gods” remains/remain enigmatic.

No 2 persons have the same “God”.
The reason I don’t believe in “fellowships”.

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Blonchilli(m): 3:29pm On Jan 13
KanwuliaExtra from what I understand about Agnosticism they don't believe in 'Personal God'. They believe that the existence of God is unknown or unknownable. It's more like after trying to understand a topic and seeing it's complications finally decide that 'he might or might not exist but there's a supernaturall entity'. Keyword are 'supernatural and divine'. The term 'Personal God' and 'picking the good from every religion' sounds atheist. You believe in yourself KanwuliaExtra from what I observe not in some divine being. An agnostic would pray in the morning but still do all he can to succeed, a religious person would pray and hand over all to God, while an atheist would walk out that door and believe he/she is the master of his/her fate. Keywords are entity, divine, supernatural, creation and existence of a god-like entity

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 4:55pm On Jan 13
Blonchilli:
KanwuliaExtra from what I understand about Agnosticism they don't believe in 'Personal God'.

All about interpretation. wink
It could be personal or a universal “God”. Up to the INDIVIDUAL Agnostic to make the rules. It is not a “group” experience. It is an individual, philosophical exercise.


Blonchilli:
They believe that the existence of God is unknown or unknownable. It's more like after trying to understand a topic and seeing it's complications finally decide that 'he might or might not exist but there's a supernaturall entity'. Keyword are 'supernatural and divine'.

In Agnosticism, there is a wide range of interpretations aka perceptions. The reason we have Agnostic-Theists and Agnostic-Atheists. wink

It is what the individual says IT IS.
Divine, maybe. All up to the INDIVIDUAL.
I don’t call my “Agnostic Deity” divine. It cannot be defined even where I think it exists. The reason Agnostic-Theists keep looking for answers. wink l have not found it YET.

Blonchilli:
The term 'Personal God' and 'picking the good from every religion' sounds atheist. You believe in yourself KanwuliaExtra from what I observe not in some divine being.

Your interpretation. I choose what I want to believe. Yes, I believe in myself and I believe in THE POSSIBILITY of something of a HIGHER INTELLIGENCE out there/in me that contributes to my wellbeing. The “ENTITY” and I are in an ever-evolving and dynamic relationship. I always ask questions and can never be in AWE, pray or show respect if I don’t want to. I DO NOT KNOW OR UNDERSTAND IT! Simple. I am never gonna FAKE that. kiss

Blonchilli:
An agnostic would pray in the morning but still do all he can to succeed, a religious person would pray and hand over all to God, while an atheist would walk out that door and believe he/she is the master of his/her fate. Keywords are entity, divine, supernatural, creation and existence of a god-like entity

Agnostics ask questions, not pray. Agnostic-Theist only give THANKS and express JOY OR SADNESS to a “chosen GOD” if the feelings arose. We do what WE PLEASE because WE WANT TO! cool

Agnostics and Atheists do not rely on any being to succeed like people with “established religions”.
The differences are as follows:

(A.Ts)=Agnostic-Theists.
(A.As)=Agnostic-Atheists.


1. Religious followers believe “it is in the hands of God”, and they may work or remain docile towards achieving their goals in life. wink

2. The Agnostic-Atheist does not believe in the existence of any divine being, and works to achieve life’s goals independently. wink

3. The Agnostic-Theist, like the Agnostic-Atheist is self-believing. But, while working to achieve personal/spiritual/philosophical goals, the A.Ts are BELIEVERS OF THE POSSIBILITIES in “SOME GOD” that is UNKNOWN. The A.T. ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHATEVER GOD he/she chooses to recognize and seeks some understanding not provided by ANY OTHER RELIGION. wink

Both however, can NEVER LEAVE THINGS IN THE HANDS OF ANY “GOD” that is UNKNOWN(A.Ts.) or DOES NOT EXIST.(A.As). wink

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by Basiljoe: 6:37pm On Jan 13
Hello
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by hakeem4(m): 6:54pm On Jan 13
KanwuliaExtra:
All religions NEVER appealed to me because of the levels of contradictions in the teachings and blatant hypocrisy of the followers. wink

I am happily Agnostic. cool
I have had peace believing what I believe to form a unique philosophical mind.

I simply take ONLY THE GOOD in all teachings or RELIGIONS and live my life.

No preaching or conversions necessary.

The only GOD I know is the one in my heart.
The one I can question without fear.
The one I don’t have to love or respect BY FORCE!

The GOD in my heart I try to understand, because IT is just as complex as I am. kiss


If you have a mind that is filled with curiosity and refreshing perspectives, please represent yourselves.

BEFORE YOU POST IGNORANTLY, GOOGLE THE TERM AGNOSTICISM.
All other believers please respect yourselves! kiss
agnosticism or Gnosticism means knowledge, while atheism theism and deism are beliefs
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 10:20pm On Jan 13
hakeem4:
agnosticism or Gnosticism means knowledge, while atheism theism and deism are beliefs

Yes. The quest for knowledge regarding the belief that “Deities” do or do not exist. wink

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by danvon(m): 12:19am On Jan 14
An agnostic is simply someone who doesn't have the guts to be an atheist, the word 'agnostic' means 'ignoramus' in latin

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by TheAgba(m): 12:50am On Jan 14
Referring myself to be an "agnostic theist or atheist" would be like playing with my head. Look at it this way.

An agnostic is in-between belief and non-belief, taking no side. An agnostic atheist exhibits more of non-belief away from the neutral stand. On the other hand, an agnostic theist exhibits more of belief away from the neutral stand.
When one is battling from being an atheist, though an agnostic, that situation is that of an agnostic atheist and sad to say despite my opening expression, such I am. A similar arrangement holds for an agnostic theists. By this, I would like to affirm also that the idea of a personal god does in no way arise.
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by AgentOfAllah: 4:45am On Jan 14
KanwuliaExtra:


Oh yes. I believe I have a personal “God”.
The nature/s of the so-called “existing Gods” remains/remain enigmatic.

No 2 persons have the same “God”.
The reason I don’t believe in “fellowships”.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Out of curiosity, could you speculate on what happens to each personal god when death strikes the host/believer? Also, if the god is unknown or unknowable, what practical purpose does it serve for you?
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 10:47am On Jan 14
AgentOfAllah:


Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Out of curiosity, could you speculate on what happens to each personal god when death strikes the host/believer? Also, if the god is unknown or unknowable, what practical purpose does it serve for you?

Life and the existence of “God” ends with DEATH.
There is no life or the concept of “God” or spirituality after death. My opinion. wink

The purpose of an unknown “God” is to fill a void of of intellectual/spiritual curiosity. Like trying to solve a challenging puzzle about the world I live in. Just a choice. wink

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by AgentOfAllah: 1:32pm On Jan 14
KanwuliaExtra:


Life and the existence of “God” ends with DEATH.
There is no life or the concept of “God” or spirituality after death. My opinion. wink

The purpose of an unknown “God” is to fill a void of of intellectual/spiritual curiosity. Like trying to solve a challenging puzzle about the world I live in. Just a choice. wink

Okay. So it appears then, that "god" is synonymous with "ignorance". Is that so?
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KGBEAST(m): 2:06pm On Jan 14
Present sir
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 4:22pm On Jan 14
AgentOfAllah:


Okay. So it appears then, that "god" is synonymous with "ignorance". Is that so?

Yes, from an Agnostic-Theist’s view point.
Unknown - Ignorance.
I DO NOT KNOW! cool

https://www.google.com/search?q=ignorance+definition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

In this sense? wink


ig·no·rance
ˈiɡnərəns/Submit
noun

lack of knowledge or information.
"he acted in ignorance of basic procedures"
synonyms: incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about; informalcluelessness about
"a statement that shows a complete ignorance of the regulations” lack of knowledge, lack of education, unenlightenment,


YES!

In this sense? wink
illiteracy;
lack of intelligence, stupidity, foolishness, idiocy

NO! kiss

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by AgentOfAllah: 6:52pm On Jan 14
KanwuliaExtra:


Yes, from an Agnostic-Theist’s view point.
Unknown - Ignorance.
I DO NOT KNOW! cool

https://www.google.com/search?q=ignorance+definition&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

Yeah, my meaning was the former.

So in any case, if 'god' is basically just a synonym for 'ignorance', why do you call yourself a theist? What has ignorance got to do with theism?
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 7:16pm On Jan 14
AgentOfAllah:


Yeah, my meaning was the former.

So in any case, if 'god' is basically just a synonym for 'ignorance', why do you call yourself a theist? What has ignorance got to do with theism?

God is not a synonym for ignorance. That is your opinion. wink

The nature/s of “ALL GODS” are unknown. Even if or where they exist, they remain unknown.

The best anyone can do is ATTEMPT to characterize them.

That is what pastors, prophets and imams try to do and FAIL WOEFULLY as they deceive and mislead the gullible followers. wink

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Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by AgentOfAllah: 7:27am On Jan 15
KanwuliaExtra:

God is not a synonym for ignorance. That is your opinion. wink
Haha...it's not my opinion. I asked the question, and you affirmed, so it's actually your opinion.

The nature/s of “ALL GODS” are unknown. Even if or where they exist, they remain unknown.

The best anyone can do is ATTEMPT to characterize them.
I don't get why anyone should characterise something which they are unsure of its existence. Shouldn't the first step be ascertaining its existence?

That is what pastors, prophets and imams try to do and FAIL WOEFULLY as they deceive and mislead the gullible followers. wink
Yeah, and there's a reason they all fail woefully: Despite their tenacious posturing, they don't know that god(s) exist(s), do they?

What I don't get is this; why do you consider yourself a theist, given the nebulous nature of this personal god. You don't even have a definition for it, but you believe in it. Don't you think that's absurd?
Re: Agnostics a.k. a FREE THINKERS In The House? Say Hello. by KanwuliaExtra: 11:02am On Jan 15
AgentOfAllah:

Haha...it's not my opinion. I asked the question, and you affirmed, so it's actually your opinion.


I don't get why anyone should characterise something which they are unsure of its existence. Shouldn't the first step be ascertaining its existence?


Yeah, and there's a reason they all fail woefully: Despite their tenacious posturing, they don't know that god(s) exist(s), do they?

What I don't get is this; why do you consider yourself a theist, given the nebulous nature of this personal god. You don't even have a definition for it, but you believe in it. Don't you think that's absurd?

I have answered all these questions and my answers are not acceptable by you.
I already explained that I believe in possibilities ACCEPTABLE BY ME.
If you can describe the nature of any “God” as “nebulous”, is that not a form of characterization? undecided

How can I define something that is unknown to me? grin
You exist I presume, but DO I KNOW YOU? wink

I am not in the “converting” business.
No need for “cyclical” arguments.
You are entitled to your opinions, and cannot ? them.

In summary:
Everyone chooses what to believe.
Life is all about choice.
Have a great day. kiss

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