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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by winner01(m): 10:15am On May 06, 2018
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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by hopefulLandlord: 10:16am On May 06, 2018
winner01:
You need help, else your anger and sleepless nights will cause the end of you.
okay
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by HappyPagan: 10:17am On May 06, 2018
winner01:

Shouldn't you consider using your Sunday for something more produtive?

winner01:
You need help, else your anger and sleepless nights will cause the end of you.

Common trend... let's talk about butterflies then, shall we?
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by vaxx: 11:49am On May 06, 2018
dalaman:
Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children?
Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.
yes incest, if it means direct ''blood relationship'' it is both morally and medically wrong. and i have not seen any single culture on planet earth or religion that support it. when it comes to Islam on this topic you have to elaborate it. so some Muslim will not consider you speaking from ignorance. Islam stipulate whom you can or not as a Muslim to marry in the quran in which she actually allowed Cousin-marriages. but if cousins marriages can be consider incest grammatically too. that will be a good debate for English student not me, but Islam completely rule out direct blood relationship and as far as i know, No religion prohibits cousin marriage, Islam allows it. even western nation such as Germany had no issues with it. so how common it is, depends on the culture of the region - i also knows It is common for South Indians and some Middle Eastern countries, for example, but not common in most of the Muslim world. The medical consensus is that cousin marriages are not significantly more dangerous than other marriages. you can dig up article online about it.

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by winner01(m): 11:58am On May 06, 2018
vaxx:
yes incest, if it means direct ''blood relationship'' it is both morally and medically wrong. and i have not seen any single culture on planet earth or religion that support it. when it comes to Islam on this topic you have to elaborate it. so some Muslim will not consider you speaking from ignorance. Islam stipulate whom you can or not as a Muslim to marry in the quran in which she actually allowed Cousin-marriages. but if cousins marriages can be consider incest grammatically too. that will be a good debate for English student not me, but Islam completely rule out direct blood relationship and as far as i know, No religion prohibits cousin marriage, Islam allows it. even western nation such as Germany had no issues with it. so how common it is, depends on the culture of the region - i also knows It is common for South Indians and some Middle Eastern countries, for example, but not common in most of the Muslim world. The medical consensus is that cousin marriages are not significantly more dangerous than other marriages. you can dig up article online about it.
I think you're wasting your time with Dalaman or hopefulLandlord, you have no idea how bigoted and close-minded they are.
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by winner01(m): 11:59am On May 06, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
okay
HappyPagan:




Common trend... let's talk about butterflies then, shall we?
Still Bullsh*t smiley
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 12:29pm On May 06, 2018
winner01:
Nice submission but you misunderstand the whole point. I've find LGBT and other sexual orientations weird even before I became a christian, and I still do.

I'm not outrightly outlawing homosexuality, I'm simply opining that a case can also be made for almost every "sexual orientation".

If we have a dialogue, and the arguments for bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia etc exceeds the argument against them, does that make them natural, right, acceptable or just legal?. You seem not to think everything can be argued for.
You don't know what I think winner, so please stop going beyond what you know. You know how I so much dislike people making up things in their heads without evidence though. It is the devil attempting to take control and one allowing it!

So, to the core of your position, "if we have a dialogue, and the arguments for bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia etc exceeds the argument against ......".

Natural, by the way, is not the proper word to use here. 'Normative' rather, as in does it become the norm.

If one can convince sensible individuals in a society that sleeping with animals is ok, or that sleeping with young children is acceptable or sleeping with dead bodies is normal, then Yes, it may become socially acceptable (the norm) to do so in that society. However, other societies might frown at your acceptance of such acts and place sanctions on you for starts and refuse to trade with you or let you visit their society! Let me know if you'd like that, and how long you'd survive before you change your societal mind or starve to death!

But, I suppose my argument for convincing a sensible person like you would have to be very sensible, and more so than simply claiming beastophilia, paedophilia and necrophilia is the same as homosexuality and no different to same gender sex. Would my plan to convince you include removal of your brain and thinking faculty too perhaps?

The arguments being put forward for homosexuality are in no way similar to those for the philias you mention. And if you knew your history, you would know that your argument was used to impose the missionary position for years before the sexual revolution swept that unpoliceable nonsense aside!

Please note that I find that people tend to say they are not understood when what they mean is "this person's superior argument has taken the words out of my mouth and left me so speechless that I have not got the words to counter their position, damn!" I am always grateful for the compliment. And a wonderful Sunday to you too.

When you have the time and have thought of it, start a thread on the subjectivity of morality please. You do good writeups for thread starts is why I ask.

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 12:42pm On May 06, 2018
winner01:
The op is about objective morality not what people think is right or wrong.
Yet, I never got a response to the following!

budaatum:

Though in saying that, perhaps you need to explain what you mean by 'objective morality' please.
Is there a thread where you explained it please?

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by drail400(m): 1:08am On May 07, 2018
I don't care much about religion or God, but I also find homosexualism vile, obviously this reaction has nothing to do with religion neither is it as a result of my moral compass. I guess it goes against all natural instincts in me. I believe its a social disorder that needs to be addressed, I don't think making it a criminal offence with a prison sentence solves anything though, it only means people will indulge secretly,

Man should be allowed to practice or indulge in whatever does not bring harm or diffuse negatively to the society. Homosexualism however does not fit into this description.

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by Ronpet777(m): 4:20am On May 07, 2018
HappyPagan:

I find it weird too. I was young when I first saw two ladies kiss each other. It was hot, really hot... but I felt this fear in me, like I was looking at something really wrong.

But I liked it. I really did. Then I got a bootleg horror movie collection once, and that's when life changed. One of the movies had a sex scene. I had heard of gay porn before, but seeing one man's dick slide up another man's asshole was terrifying. I was shook for days.

Why would a guy like another's butthole? My God, what has this world become? I failed to see the hypocrisy in my standard - - girl on girl is okay, man on man not cool.

Overtime, I've learnt to be more accepting of it. I've had homosexual friends as colleagues at work. I see it this way - If you grew up in a monogamous home, polygamous families would feel very unnatural to you. Education, and an open mind, is key to progress and growth.

Using your love for God to mask your hatred for his creation (if you believe this flesh and bone we bear was created) is plain cowardice. The thought of homosexuality so irks you, you do not need the Bible's backing to reject it. There's also that handy 'not African' y'all love to parrot. Why don't you just be yourself? State your convictions in truth and sincerity, not verses.



The classic Nigerian style of moral policing. Everyone who isn't like you must prove why you should like them. How about you interacting with the 'weirdos' that you despise so much. Maybe make a friend or two from the LGBT community. I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't - you probably think homosexuality is a contagious disease. Heterosexuality isn't, I presume.



Y'all use unnatural like it's something negative.

Walk around with your natural smell, and people will complain of your body odor. Ever heard the phrase 'one man' s poison is another's....

U successfully avoided d guy's question while marauding like a champ. How do u view other sexual orientations? Are u fully accepting of Necrophilia, bestiality and paedophilia as u r of homosexuality?

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by HappyPagan: 7:44am On May 07, 2018
Ronpet777:


U successfully avoided d guy's question while marauding like a champ. How do u view other sexual orientations?
I view homosexuality and heterosexuality as same. And natural..

Ronpet777:

Are u fully accepting of Necrophilia, bestiality and paedophilia as u r of homosexuality?
No, I'm. I see no similarity between homosexuality and the rest.. Why you guys continue to group them together must be a Christian...
How about blowjobs, hand jobs, anal sex and sex dolls? Are they also on Yahweh's list of "sexual dont's"

Man is a creative fucker. If you don't like it, learn to police the affairs of your own dick... It's a much simple way to live. If it is any consolation, a low percentage of dicks around you end up in male asses.. Most do it your 'proper' way. Lol.

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by Ronpet777(m): 8:07am On May 07, 2018
HappyPagan:

I view homosexuality and heterosexuality as same. And natural..


No, I'm. I see no similarity between homosexuality and the rest.. Why you guys continue to group them together must be a Christian...
How about blowjobs, hand jobs, anal sex and sex dolls? Are they also on Yahweh's list of "sexual dont's"

Man is a creative fucker. If you don't like it, learn to police the affairs of your own dick... It's a much simple way to live. If it is any consolation, a low percentage of dicks around you end up in male asses.. Most do it your 'proper' way. Lol.

Good, now u r indirectly agreeing with d OP's assertions. The same argument that makes u deem Homosexualism as normal goes for other unusual sexual orientations. The perpetrators can prove as much as u did for homosexuality cos it works naturally for them. Wot do u say to one who convinces u that he is only turned on when he sees d genitals of a cow and other mammals?
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by HappyPagan: 8:12am On May 07, 2018
Ronpet777:


Good, now u r indirectly agreeing with d OP's assertions.
How do you guys read?

Ronpet777:

The same argument that makes u deem Homosexualism as normal goes for other unusual sexual orientations.
Please show how, clearly.


Ronpet777:

The perpetrators..... other mammals?
Honestly, I'm beginning to think some of you were raped by dicks. You just hate dick on dick. Be honest. Your hatred has nothing to do with Necrophilia, bestiality etc. Go get a hand job and have some sexual relief. You need it.

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by Ronpet777(m): 8:22am On May 07, 2018
HappyPagan:

I view homosexuality and heterosexuality as same. And natural..


No, I'm. I see no similarity between homosexuality and the rest.. Why you guys continue to group them together must be a Christian...
How about blowjobs, hand jobs, anal sex and sex dolls? Are they also on Yahweh's list of "sexual dont's"


Take it easy man. Don't get urself all worked up. U said u see the others different from Homosexuality and I really want to knw why. Consent can be obtained from a child bf d intercourse just as it can be given by a dead person bf his demise. Tell me how they r different in ur view and let's pick it up from there if u care to.
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by HappyPagan: 8:41am On May 07, 2018
Ronpet777:


Take it easy man. Don't get urself all worked up. U said u see the others different from Homosexuality and I really want to knw why. Consent can be obtained from a child bf d intercourse just as it can be given by a dead person bf his demise. Tell me how they r different in ur view and let's pick it up from there if u care to.
Bro, you're the one who's worked up about another man's sexual preference, not me. If you think homosexuality is the same as bestiality, please show how and why.

And if you believe sexual consent can be gotten from a child, we have nothing to discuss. Have a great week.

PS: Deal with the dickondick hate. Don't hide behind. God, Necrophilia, bestiality... just be plain. No arguments will convince you homosexuality is okay. You can't change. Take my advice and go make frienda
s with some homos. That will teach you more than any nairaland post ever will.

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Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 2:05am On Mar 20, 2019
dalaman:
Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children? Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by LucemFerre: 7:29am On Mar 20, 2019
Nobody on this thread seem to understand what "Natural" mean. No wonder y'all are arguing about whether or not a d!ck in the ass is normal. Smfh
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by budaatum: 6:43pm On Mar 25, 2019
LucemFerre:
Nobody on this thread seem to understand what "Natural" mean. No wonder y'all are arguing about whether or not a d!ck in the ass is normal. Smfh
Educate us please. What is "natural"?
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by Nobody: 7:01pm On Mar 25, 2019
Not all homosexuals take the dick in the ass. Some take it only in the mouth, and other just masturbate.

Just saying grin
Re: Sexual Orientations And Objective Morality. by Leviana(f): 3:45am On Mar 26, 2019
Personally I don't mind homosexuality but I think the reason bestiality, necrophilia and paedophilia isnt accepted is simple. The basic notion of Consent. Homosexuality is usually between two fully consenting people (I say people because it isn't limited to adults), As for bestiality the animal can't deny the human consent technically cause well it's an animal so it's usually looked upon as animal cruelty. As for necrophilia it's a corpse, it's dead, simple it has no consent, it cannot stop a person if they tried to have sex with it cause again it's dead and lastly paedophilia which is the most controversial consent issue is looked upon because kids can give consent but kids aren't reliable in the given sense that they're easily manipulated , using the right amount of gifts and passive force you can get a kid to do or consent to anything cause he/she is a kid and doesn't understand the total consequence of what they're consenting to. And it goes like that for many other sexual prefences be it the BDSM lifestyle or Polysexuality. No-one likes being forced or coerced or manipulated into what they don't want to do or have no clear idea of what that act entails (as of kids) whether it's heterosexual, homosexual or otherwise Its considered rape everywhere. That consent or lack of is what I think separates Homosexuality from the rest the Op mentioned.

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