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5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by SOSPITAS(m): 7:32am On Nov 11, 2018
First of all, no government is supposed to be seen endorsing (even tacitly) any religion since every state is assumed to be secular. Having said this, the way things are going in this world, it will not be long before we hear that the word "God" should be completely remove from every aspect of the constitution and community life. I’m saying this because of the ever increasing disenchantment with organize religion, the annoying flamboyant life still of some preachers against the depravity of the many, religious extremism/terrorism and the expanding capacity of science and technology which is leading many to choose the path of atheism. As the population and influence of organize religion dwindles, that of the the atheist are on the increase and many among them are beginning to nurse the idea that God should be completely remove from the constitution and religion should be obliterated. The reasons they give is that, religion is the cause of so many wars and suffering. But of all the disposition and habit which leads to political prosperity, religion and morality are an indispensable support. Let us as reasoning people consider without prejudice some of the possible consequence of removing “God” from the constitution and religion from people’s life.

(1) BREAKDOWN OF DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE: The establishments of independence as well as the principle of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are clearly defined in the preamble of the declaration of independence as having been endowed to all men by their creator. This is to say that each of us has a natural right from God which includes: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It was because this right exist that caused men to make laws to protect them, thus, giving birth to government. So if we are to discard the belief in God as some people insist we do, what are we going to attribute to be the source of human right?

(2) IT CAN LEAD TO TYRANNY: with the origin of right, there can be only two possible options which are: right can be God given as part of the divine plan or they are granted by the government as part of the political plan. So if God is to be removed from this life and we accept that human right are granted by the government, we must be willing to accept the corollary that they can be denied by that same government. Imagine how frightening that will be. A case in check is North Korea where the supreme leader is the judge, jury and the executioner. North korea is even lucky given that it’s a homogeneous population. If the situation was to play out in Nigeria with all it various tribe and smoldering resentment, there will be carnage. So reason and necessity should lead us to accept the divine origin of human right.

(3) EXPLOSION OF ANARCHY like I previously stated, morality and religion goes hand in glove, and morality serve as a check against anarchy. How? You may ask, now consider this scenario, hungry john was walking down the street, he sees a couple and he robs them of their cash. Good, bad or neither? To john who has no conscience to protect and God to please, the only fear will be getting caught and punished for breaking the law and to make matters worse, there is absolutely no reason for him not to do that now but previously, his moral compass tempered by religion and the promise of afterlife would have prevented him from such. When people don’t have a reason to uphold moral fiber such as believe in the afterlife to work toward, then a large number will choose to disregard any existing moral since there are no real benefit in things like honesty, kindness, patience and long suffering. Most will pursue self interest no matter who is affected. The only motivation will be money and pleasure.

(4) CREATION OF A POLICE STATE: When the Situation degenerate into a full scale breaks down of law and order, the government will be force to introduce extreme measures. Since nobody can be trusted, every citizen have to be watched round the clock, there will be complete surveillance, camera will have to be fixed at every corner inhabited by man. Every human activity (including the most mundane things like going to the toilet) will be monitored to keep society in check; a lot of the freedom will have to be sacrifice which leads us to the final point.

(5) LOSS OF FREEDOM: right to privacy and freedom from unwarranted search and seizures, freedom of speech and assembly, freedom from discriminatory treatment based on race, religion, ethnicity, political belief or even societal status will be all gone. Granted, abuse of freedom or civil liberty by people in power have been going on since time immemorial but it will happen at an unimaginable scale if believe in GOD is criminalize. Government will be more interested in preserving their power at the expense of those being govern and since right was given by the government as part of the political plan, it can as well be denied by that same government for the same reason.

So reason, believe and necessity leads me to accept the divine origin of right, and there can be no divine origin of right without an acknowledgement of GOD.

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Trustme2(m): 7:35am On Nov 11, 2018
Hmmm
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Josh2x: 8:19am On Nov 11, 2018
Bunch of jagons undecided

Laws were never made cos of fear of god

Religion is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by fame995: 8:19am On Nov 11, 2018
lie

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by LandlordHopeful: 8:20am On Nov 11, 2018
As an Antitheist I owe it to myself to counter this ridiculous points brought up by OP as failure to do so would be a disservice to myself and the readers

Counters


1. Democracy precedes declaration of independence. let's stop pretending it started to exist as soon as the declaration was made.

I could've gone through the nitty gritty of the declaration but I think the simple point up there is enough

Certain religions do not even encourage democracy. Bible and Koran endorse monarchy more


2. Tyranny exists even in the most religious of countries. look at Qatar and UAE.

Also when you believe in "god's plan" you can also believe tyrannical government is part of his plan. The corruption, tyranny, squalor, poverty sickness and all sorts of bad things can be part of "his plan"

gods plan is one of the most useless and idiotic things anyone can believe as anything and everything can all be part of his "plan"


3. Explosion of anarchy? what nonsense. even simple comparison between an ultra god believing country like Nigeria and atheist Japan crime rate nukes that point entirely

Nigeria is filled with a population that all claim to be "God Fearing" but has the 14th highest crime rate in the world while an atheist japan filled with "sinners" "Reprobate" "people who don't fear god" "heathens" "infidels" have the lowest crime rate in the world https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp


Also god believers are known to do bad things and claim god told them to do it. Look at religious terrors over the years

Through empathy, rationality, and the understanding of the consequences of our Actions is how morality can get better not inserting god. I'd argue that inserting god can only make it worse


4 this is too irrelevant to delve into

5. Go to Saudi Arabia and exercise your freedom

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by mariovito(m): 8:20am On Nov 11, 2018
Total hogwash. The era preceding the Renaissance is testimony to what happens when government and religion fuse together

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Nobody: 8:20am On Nov 11, 2018
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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by MrPresident1: 8:21am On Nov 11, 2018
No body can remove God from human governance, God is the one that appoints all the leaders. People get the leaders they deserve.

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Tonyosas101(m): 8:22am On Nov 11, 2018
1: so we can use God to deceive the gullible
2: so we can use churches to win more votes to a particular political party
3: so we can make political judgments based on our religious convictions not on evidence or efficacy
4: so we can encourage those thieves who call themselves pastors to continue the thievery in politics too

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Princeton92(m): 8:22am On Nov 11, 2018
O.K.A.Y
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by khalhokage(m): 8:28am On Nov 11, 2018
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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by NwaJozi: 8:29am On Nov 11, 2018
Amen

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by correctguy101(m): 8:34am On Nov 11, 2018
This foreign gods seem to either be too lacking to contain the wolves governing Africa or they simply don't know us or care how we fare.

Remove them from governance and have our rulers swear with all their ancestors and gods and see the wolves turn to jelly. undecided

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by OpenYourEyes1: 8:36am On Nov 11, 2018
You want Nations to return to Brutish atheist Russia under Stalin or the current Atheist North Korea and Cuba?


Cruel Nations whether religious or not are controlled by Satan himself.
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by JeromeBlack: 8:37am On Nov 11, 2018
Nonsense.

There was no democracy in the bible or Qur'an. What they had were monarchies that didn't have equal rights for people.

Religion should never be tied with government. We can look at countries that are secular: they are the best countries

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by dionysus7: 8:45am On Nov 11, 2018
lol firstly, you need to demonstrate that god exists, secondly, which god we should include and which we should exclude in human governance and state your reasons, then we compare to other arguments from believers of other gods and let them know why their gods are irrelevant but a certain one is. then we can proceed from there

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by kkins25(m): 8:50am On Nov 11, 2018
Nonsense
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by OpenYourEyes1: 8:50am On Nov 11, 2018
JeromeBlack:
Nonsense.

There was no democracy in the bible or Qur'an. What they had were monarchies that didn't have equal rights for people.

Religion should never be tied with government. We can look at countries that are secular: they are the best countries


As long as Atheism or Religion is not imposed on people just like Christian Nations that are usually Secular.
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by dionysus7: 8:54am On Nov 11, 2018
MrPresident1:
No body can remove God from human governance, God is the one that appoints all the leaders. People get the leaders they deserve.

in the case of people having bad leaders for example, Nigeria, you're saying god intentionally gave us bad leaders because we deserve to be led by bad leaders? i probably dont know much about this god you're describing but i can tell you he sounds a lot like a vindictive ass. I mean he's god right? with all his supposed infinite power and mercy? people will be born into this bleeped up state we are through no fault of their own and he still thinks they deserve the leaders they're getting. why not give us good leaders that will lead us righteously?

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by chigalakingsley(m): 9:00am On Nov 11, 2018
I thought OP was making sense at first. Any person of any religion doing good because of an afterlife isn't human enough to me.

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Robynwelo1(f): 9:04am On Nov 11, 2018
It's not religion that reduces crime, it's society. Take note.

Haven said that, it will be useless to debunk your claims, when it is glaring that the most religious countries are the most non progressive.

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Kennedy94(m): 9:08am On Nov 11, 2018
it will always be part of politics till end of time...
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by allaboutobed(m): 9:13am On Nov 11, 2018
Y add God to human government when His kingdom is no part of this world?
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by AkpaMgbor(m): 9:13am On Nov 11, 2018
Robynwelo1:
It's not religion that reduces crime, it's society. Take note.

Haven said that, it will be useless to debunk your claims, when it is glaring that the most religious countries are the most non progressive.
Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by allanphash7(m): 9:14am On Nov 11, 2018
Crap




Go to China and other western world




Mtchewww

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Re: 5 Reasons Why We Must Not Remove God From Human Governance by Nobody: 9:15am On Nov 11, 2018
SOSPITAS:
First of all, no government is supposed to be seen endorsing (even tacitly) any religion since every state is assumed to be secular. Having said this, the way things are going in this world, it will not be long before we hear that the word "God" should be completely remove from every aspect of the constitution and community life. I’m saying this because of the ever increasing disenchantment with organize religion, the annoying flamboyant life still of some preachers against the depravity of the many, religious extremism/terrorism and the expanding capacity of science and technology which is leading many to choose the path of atheism. As the population and influence of organize religion dwindles, that of the the atheist are on the increase and many among them are beginning to nurse the idea that God should be completely remove from the constitution and religion should be obliterated. The reasons they give is that, religion is the cause of so many wars and suffering. But of all the disposition and habit which leads to political prosperity, religion and morality are an indispensable support. Let us as reasoning people consider without prejudice some of the possible consequence of removing “God” from the constitution and religion from people’s life.

(1) BREAKDOWN OF DEMOCRATIC PRINCIPLE: The establishments of independence as well as the principle of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are clearly defined in the preamble of the declaration of independence as having been endowed to all men by their creator. This is to say that each of us has a natural right from God which includes: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It was because this right exist that caused men to make laws to protect them, thus, giving birth to government. So if we are to discard the belief in God as some people insist we do, what are we going to attribute to be the source of human right?

(2) IT CAN LEAD TO TYRANNY: with the origin of right, there can be only two possible options which are: right can be God given as part of the divine plan or they are granted by the government as part of the political plan. So if God is to be removed from this life and we accept that human right are granted by the government, we must be willing to accept the corollary that they can be denied by that same government. Imagine how frightening that will be. A case in check is North Korea where the supreme leader is the judge, jury and the executioner. North korea is even lucky given that it’s a homogeneous population. If the situation was to play out in Nigeria with all it various tribe and smoldering resentment, there will be carnage. So reason and necessity should lead us to accept the divine origin of human right.

(3) EXPLOSION OF ANARCHY like I previously stated, morality and religion goes hand in glove, and morality serve as a check against anarchy. How? You may ask, now consider this scenario, hungry john was walking down the street, he sees a couple and he robs them of their cash. Good, bad or neither? To john who has no conscience to protect and God to please, the only fear will be getting caught and punished for breaking the law and to make matters worse, there is absolutely no reason for him not to do that now but previously, his moral compass tempered by religion and the promise of afterlife would have prevented him from such. When people don’t have a reason to uphold moral fiber such as believe in the afterlife to work toward, then a large number will choose to disregard any existing moral since there are no real benefit in things like honesty, kindness, patience and long suffering. Most will pursue self interest no matter who is affected. The only motivation will be money and pleasure.

(4) CREATION OF A POLICE STATE: When the Situation degenerate into a full scale breaks down of law and order, the government will be force to introduce extreme measures. Since nobody can be trusted, every citizen have to be watched round the clock, there will be complete surveillance, camera will have to be fixed at every corner inhabited by man. Every human activity (including the most mundane things like going to the toilet) will be monitored to keep society in check; a lot of the freedom will have to be sacrifice which leads us to the final point.

(5) LOSS OF FREEDOM: right to privacy and freedom from unwarranted search and seizures, freedom of speech and assembly, freedom from discriminatory treatment based on race, religion, ethnicity, political belief or even societal status will be all gone. Granted, abuse of freedom or civil liberty by people in power have been going on since time immemorial but it will happen at an unimaginable scale if believe in GOD is criminalize. Government will be more interested in preserving their power at the expense of those being govern and since right was given by the government as part of the political plan, it can as well be denied by that same government for the same reason.

So reason, believe and necessity leads me to accept the divine origin of right, and there can be no divine origin of right without an acknowledgement of GOD.

Are u talking about the same Christian God that supported, promoted n wrote laws about slavery n enslavement

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