Roman Catholicism, Mary and Idolatry

Roman Catholics have an extremely high view of Mary and have attributed some astounding characteristics and abilities to her, such as her interceding for us, atoning for us, and delivering our souls from damnation: (See documentation below)

https://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry?

The Bible states Clearly

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....


Not thru
Mary
Peter
John
James
Paul or whoever or Whatever....

Mary was only a vessels thru which The savior of The Earth came through on Earth! Nothing more! She is just as any other woman..

Mary herself will not be happy about all that she is being used for here on earth!

Honoring or worshipping Mary is An act of idolatry!!

Righteousness89:
The Bible states Clearly

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....


Not thru
Mary
Peter
John
James
Paul or whoever or Whatever....

Mary was only a vessels thru which The savior of The Earth came through on Earth! Nothing more! She is just as any other woman..

Mary herself will not be happy about all that she is being used for here on earth!

Honoring or worshipping Mary is An act of idolatry!!

You are free to believe what you want, allow others to exercise the same freedom of choice

Mizwisdom:



You are free to believe what you want, allow others to exercise the same freedom of choice

Yes, 'you are free to believe what you want' but you must also be aware that you will be accountable to God for the choices you made from your free will.

Mizwisdom:



You are free to believe what you want, allow others to exercise the same freedom of choice

Did I Block you from your Freedom...

How are u speaking for others? How many person are u?

All Catholics are idol worshippers,they all bow down to an image which they refer to as mary.The bible specifically told us not to bow down to any graven imge.The Pope and other priest have deceived so many people from time memorial ,moreover i suspect the pope is a Freemasonry. CHRISTIANS ALWAYS READ UR BIBLE

Where is Ubenedictus when you need him, to explain how the OP is wrong?

Is it ur Idolatory? @ OP

josh123:
All Catholics are idol worshippers,they all bow down to an image which they refer to as mary.The bible specifically told us not to bow down to any graven imge.The Pope and other priest have deceived so many people from time memorial ,moreover i suspect the pope is a Freemasonry. CHRISTIANS ALWAYS READ UR BIBLE

what about those who bowed and prostrated before images in the Bible... people like Joshua?

OLAADEGBU:
Where is Ubenedictus when you need him, to explain how the OP is wrong?

why am I not surprised that certain Protestants selectively quote scripture without context.

Ubenedictus:
what about those who bowed and prostrated before images in the Bible... people like Joshua?

tell me d chapters and verse u saw it

Mary is a Special S A I N T like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, John The Baptist and The Apostles other than Judas.
Catholicism generally don't worship Mary but revere Her as a Special Prophet of God to qualify for The Prayers of The Saints.

orunto27:
Mary is a Special S A I N T like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Elisha, John The Baptist and The Apostles other than Judas.
Catholicism generally don't worship Mary but revere Her as a Special Prophet of God to qualify for The Prayers of The Saints.

how is Mary a prophet

OLUWABIG:


how is Mary a prophet

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Direct Messengers of God are Prophets. Mary was one. She worked for God. Direct Messengers of Jesus Christ are Apostles.

josh123:
tell me d chapters and verse u saw it

Joshua 7:6


Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to
the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining
there till evening. The elders of Israel did the
same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.



in case you forgot, the ark is simply a box with a staff and manna inside with two big moldings of angel aka cherubs on top.

Ubenedictus:


why am I not surprised that certain Protestants selectively quote scripture without context.

Are you saying that scriptures quoted by the OP is without context?

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying that scriptures quoted by the OP is without context?

Abegi, are you not the Op?

Ubenedictus:


Joshua 7:6


Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to
the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining
there till evening. The elders of Israel did the
same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.



in case you forgot, the ark is simply a box with a staff and manna inside with two big moldings of angel aka cherubs on top.

During DAT time d ark of God represent d present and glory of God,God told them to worship him.Mary is just a mare mortal like u and i,and Catholics decided to worship her. She was only previledged to b d mother of Jesus,any other virgin woman can b d mother of jesus

josh123:
During DAT time d ark of God represent d present and glory of God,God told them to worship him.Mary is just a mare mortal like u and i,and Catholics decided to worship her. She was only previledged to b d mother of Jesus,any other virgin woman can b d mother of jesus

So they worshipped an image representing god?

AryEmber:


Abegi, are you not the Op?

I thought OP means opening post, no?

OLAADEGBU:


I thought OP means opening post, no?

Really? Funny, I thought it means 'Original Poster'

AryEmber:


Really? Funny, I thought it means 'Original Poster'

Let's ask the administrators.

Ubenedictus:


Joshua 7:6


Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell facedown to
the ground before the ark of the LORD, remaining
there till evening. The elders of Israel did the
same, and sprinkled dust on their heads.



in case you forgot, the ark is simply a box with a staff and manna inside with two big moldings of angel aka cherubs on top.

The Ark of the Covenant represented the presence of the Lord. Does the image of Mary represent the same?

OLAADEGBU:


The Ark of the Covenant represented the presence of the Lord. Does the image of Mary represent the same?

You no dey tire?

jnrbayano:


You no dey tire?

Tired for shining the light? Naa.

josh123:
During DAT time d ark of God represent d present and glory of God,God told them to worship him.Mary is just a mare mortal like u and i,and Catholics decided to worship her. She was only previledged to b d mother of Jesus,any other virgin woman can b d mother of jesus

the ark is simply pieces of wood and gold consecrated for God's service. it represents God's glory correct.


Mary is truly a creature of God, who was greatly graced, and is now living in his Glory, she is not just a representation of Gods Glory, in her God has manifested his glory
the ark was just a representation, in Mary we see a reality of glory called grace.

OLAADEGBU:


Are you saying that scriptures quoted by the OP is without context?

I'm saying the op is cherry picking scripture

Ubenedictus:



the ark is simply pieces of wood and gold consecrated for God's service. it represents God's glory correct.


Mary is truly a creature of God, who was greatly graced, and is now living in his Glory, she is not just a representation of Gods Glory, in her God has manifested his glory
the ark was just a representation, in Mary we see a reality of glory called grace.

If Mary is more of the presence of God as represented in the Ark then you are more than welcome to bow down before her image and worship the 'mother of God.'

OLAADEGBU:


If Mary is more of the presence of God as represented in the Ark then you are more than welcome to bow down before her image and worship the 'mother of God.'

Firstly no catholic worships Mary, Mary is not God. Catholics only respect her because of her virtues and the critical role she played in our salvation. God could have done it without her, but in his wisdom he chose her, for him to chose her above every other woman den she is to be respected. If I can see my earthly mother, kneel down and greet her ( which by any means doesn't mean I'm worship her) den , I can also kneel down as a sign of respect and greet and respect the mother of God.

You are not God to determine worship or not. Do not judge my friend

Ihateyoumod:


Firstly no catholic worships Mary, Mary is not God. Catholics only respect her because of her virtues and the critical role she played in our salvation. God could have done it without her, but in his wisdom he chose her, for him to chose her above every other woman den she is to be respected. If I can see my earthly mother, kneel down and greet her ( which by any means doesn't mean I'm worship her) den , I can also kneel down as a sign of respect and greet and respect the mother of God.

You are not God to determine worship or not. Do not judge my friend

See the documentation tabulated in the OP and check it against the references below and then try justifying why you do not practise idolatry.

1. Catholic Encyclopedia, Tradition and the Living Magisterium
2. Catholic Encyclopedia, Idolatry
3. vatican.va
4. newadvent.org
5. history.hanover.edu/texts/trent.html
6. cin.org/vatiidoc.html
7. scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
8. Dr. Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Tan Books and Publishers Inc, Rockford Ill. 1974
9. Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Phd., S.T.D., Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division, Huntington IN, 2002
10. Summa Theologica, 2nd Part of the 2nd Part, Questions 93, newadvent.org/summa/3093.htm
11. Strong, J. (1996). The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the text of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurrence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.) (H7812). Ontario: Woodside Bible Fellowship.
12. Fundamentals of Catholic dogma, Ott, page 213
13. Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914
14. CCC 966
15. CCC par. 969
16. The Vatican Website translates this verse as, "I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another.
17. Catholic Encyclopedia, Idolatry
18. Catholyc Encyclopedia, Altar of Our Lady
19. Catholic Encyclopedia, Adoration
20. Labor Pain is part of the curse and Mary is not supposed to be under the curse. Therefore she would not have felt labor pains and this could not refer to her.

https://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry?

OLAADEGBU:


See the documentation tabulated in the OP and check it against the references below and then try justifying why you do not practise idolatry.

1. Catholic Encyclopedia, Tradition and the Living Magisterium
2. Catholic Encyclopedia, Idolatry
3. vatican.va
4. newadvent.org
5. history.hanover.edu/texts/trent.html
6. cin.org/vatiidoc.html
7. scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
8. Dr. Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, Tan Books and Publishers Inc, Rockford Ill. 1974
9. Rev. Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Phd., S.T.D., Our Sunday Visitor Publishing Division, Huntington IN, 2002
10. Summa Theologica, 2nd Part of the 2nd Part, Questions 93, newadvent.org/summa/3093.htm
11. Strong, J. (1996). The exhaustive concordance of the Bible : Showing every word of the text of the common English version of the canonical books, and every occurrence of each word in regular order. (electronic ed.) (H7812). Ontario: Woodside Bible Fellowship.
12. Fundamentals of Catholic dogma, Ott, page 213
13. Vatican Website: Encyclical of Pope Leo 13th on the Rosary, Octobri Mense, Pope Leo 13th, 1903-1914
14. CCC 966
15. CCC par. 969
16. The Vatican Website translates this verse as, "I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another.
17. Catholic Encyclopedia, Idolatry
18. Catholyc Encyclopedia, Altar of Our Lady
19. Catholic Encyclopedia, Adoration
20. Labor Pain is part of the curse and Mary is not supposed to be under the curse. Therefore she would not have felt labor pains and this could not refer to her.

https://carm.org/roman-catholicism-mary-idolatry?

The OP quoted scripture literally, he has a very shallow understanding of scripture. Moses made a bronze serpent, didn't the law of not making graven images apply to him.

Ur defense would be he was commanded to do so. My response is, is God confused??....y would he say thou shall not graven images and den go against his own law asking moses to make an image. Couldn't he have saved them withoit using an image??....pls answer this last question. Finding an answer to tht question will open ur mind to the fact tht u don't read one portion of the Bible n begin to judge others like Pharisees do.

Ihateyoumod:


The OP quoted scripture literally, he has a very shallow understanding of scripture. Moses made a bronze serpent, didn't the law of not making graven images apply to him.

Have you read the second column where he compares the scriptures with your church traditions?

Ihateyoumod:


Ur defense would be he was commanded to do so. My response is, is God confused??....y would he say thou shall not graven images and den go against his own law asking moses to make an image. Couldn't he have saved them withoit using an image??....pls answer this last question. Finding an answer to tht question will open ur mind to the fact tht u don't read one portion of the Bible n begin to judge others like Pharisees do.

God commanded that they should look on the bronze serpent to be healed He did not say that they should worship and bow down to the bronze serpent. You will not find the Israelites looking on any bronze serpent after that episode except many years after when they started to idolise this image. Today God commands us to look unto Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith, not bowing down before Mary.