or maybe i should help your mr. pigless eater, the poster wants us to discuss about "patience" and how its very essence could help us live good lives regardless of whether we are pork eaters or not

Yefet:

August 2, 2010

Have you ever been described as an impatient person? It is easy to feel impatient.

The source of true patience is the Spirit of God. His patience toward us allows us the opportunity to grow and to become more like Him. He does not give up on us. When we are stubborn and fail to learn what God wants to teach us, He continues to demonstrate His patience.

Many times, we grow impatient with a colleague, friend, child, or spouse and forget that God is patient with us and requires us to do the same with others. One of the causes of impatience is spiritual shortsightedness. Our view is limited. Therefore, many times we only see what has a direct impact on our lives. We become impatient because we can’t see life from God’s perspective!

God has a greater plan. While He does not always show us the details, we can know the big picture—we are in His loving hands.

Oswald Chambers writes:

Patience is more than endurance. A saint’s life is in the hands of God like a bow and arrow in the hands of the archer. God is aiming at something the saint cannot see, and He stretches and strains, and every now and again the saint says, ‘I cannot stand anymore.’ God does not heed, He goes on stretching till His purpose is in sight, then He lets fly. Trust yourself in God’s hands.

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience (Colossians 3:12).

www.leadingtheway.org

The boldened could help start a good discourse. whatcha think? 

Oswald Chambers writes:

Patience is more than endurance. A saint’s life is in the hands of God like a bow and arrow in the hands of the archer. God is aiming at something the saint cannot see, and He stretches and strains, and every now and again the saint says, ‘I cannot stand anymore.’ God does not heed, He goes on stretching till His purpose is in sight, then He lets fly. Trust yourself in God’s hands.

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience (Colossians 3:12).

or maybe i should help your mr. pigless eater, the poster wants us to discuss about "patience" and how its very essence could help us live good lives regardless of whether we are pork eaters or not Grin Grin Grin Grin

The boldened could help start a good discourse. whatcha think? Wink

you are not a christian so where do you want me to start? Grin Grin

From the onset there's never been a time Christians believe that we are the only "chosen ones". Howbeit we believe THE JEWS and THE CHRISTIANS are considered chosen people, and that's if you understand who the REAL JEWS ARE. i can give references but lets start from somewhere

The Prodigal Son

A father (God) had two sons (significance of two nations, two people, two approaches to one father), the eldest was loyal (The el-jewish) and the younger disloyal (the el-gentiles).

The younger went astray and lived a life of ill-reputation, until he knew himself (The message of salvation) and returned to His father (God)

The Father welcomed him, prolly gave him more attention, put a ring on his hand (authority over the spiritual life), new robe (significance of adoption by sonship) and so on

when the father saw the eldest's mood, he beckoned by saying 'son thou art ever with me all i have is thine (please read Romans 9:4 and that's if you have a bible Grin). hope to hear from you b4 i continue

nopuqeater:

I know enough about Christianity. Alhamdulillah am not.

nopuqeater:

Now that there are two of you, which one of you will go to "heaven"? The other must go to lake of fire, since you have two groups with two different religions. Now you see why Jesus condition is irrelevant to our present time? The same Bible calling two different people with two differen t religions, chosen. I am sure the Jews will never be caught dead in a unday morning Church service praising the Trinity. And the Christians will never be caught dead in the Temple at Sabbath doing the sabbath prayer rituals. Grin, grin. I know how to nead a dough. LOL.

Mind you, it will be mistake to presume all Israelites were "the chosen ones" no no no, rather the chosen ones of the descent of Abraham( Ibrahim) were those of the lineage of Isaac ( Ishaak), lest you come in with your Ishmael gimmicks. 

Did you say enough, hmm thats serious! reeeealllly serious!! Grin Grin

because if you did then you should have known that God's design from origin was to reconcile all men (Jews and the Gentiles) to himself, the onux of God calling the Jews was basically to reconcile the Gentiles.

The prodigal story is there to reveal that both the Jews(After the promise) and the Gentiles(in the promise) are all part of the Father's sons (Chosen ones) and thus were citizens of heaven.

Israel has always been there as the first son (Ex. 4:22

- And you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord, Israel is My son, even My firstborn) and the gentiles were alienated (Col 1:21-22 And you, being in time past alienated [b]and enemies in your mind in your evil works[/b]Was it that Moses said, first to Pharaoh? If not somebody is a liar or Moses disobey Yahweh, the Eloi Who sent His servant Jesus son of Mary. I doubt if Moses disoeyed God. So the ony thing is that there was a liar in the mist, the Bible writer[s].

yet now hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him). until we got reconciled to christ.)

Ridiculous lies. Jesus said "forgive us our sins". Jesus said "Jesus Your servant who you sent". And before, Yahweh called Moses "God". And in Jeremiah 31; 31-34 about the nations of Israel and Judah :I will forgive them and remember their sins no longer." Jesus had nothing to do with this. Yet some people from Israel, Judah and Christianity will surely enter hellfire. Who is the liar here, once again?

Mind you, it will be mistake to presume all Israelites were "the chosen ones" no no no, rather the chosen ones of the descent of Abraham( Ibrahim) were those of the lineage of Isaac ( Ishaak), lest you come in with your Ishmael gimmicks. Grin Grin Grin

Who were the Israelites, but children of Jacob, son of Issac, grandson of Ibrahim? The arabs are not Israelites. I see that you lack the foundamentals of who the Israelites are. I dont blame you, even many of your religious leaders consider Adam to be an israelite. Definitelly they argue that Abraham was Israelite. Arabs are not Israelites and I do not know an arab who will say he is an Israelite, except he is looking at his language and not his bloodline from outside anyone away from Jacob.

Read Rom 9:6-8

6 However, it is not as though God's Word had failed [coming to nothing]. For it is not everybody who is a descendant of Jacob (Israel) who belongs to [the true] Israel.

True Israel is if by blood, descendants of Jacob. True Yoruba is a people who have their bloodline to Oduduwa and family. Your Bible is not always clear but playing with ambiguity. No wonder you are on the wrong side, thinking you are following guidance.

7 And they are not all the children of Abraham because they are by blood his descendants. No, [the promise was] Your descendants will be called and counted through the line of Isaac [though Abraham had an older son]. [Gen 21:9-12.]

God Almighty does not allow His elect to ever go wrong. Ever. And Abraham, said God "is My Friend." If God chose Abraham, would He have allowed him to perform adultery, no say to him, why would you do a thing forbidden, when you have a legal wife and i have warned against illicit sex? God never show any sign of anger or disagreement of the relationship between Abraham and the second, much younger wife who bore him the first child, a son named Isamael. Though we learnt that God was angry at Adam and Eve who He inspired to seek forgiveness that He accepted.

And after Abraham, the Bible recorded that Moses was almost killed because his son was not circumcised yet, though he had been commissioned to go perform a duty for God before Pharaoh. Let me ask you about Moses; if he had been sent an errant and has not completed the mission, can killing him make him complete the mission or make the misssion unfulfilled? That intention to kill him, go you really believe that his Lord Who sent Him that errant will circumvent Himself by intending to kill Moses, before he finished the mission? That would have been unreasonable. Yet the Bible says "God is not the Author of Confusion"? But man is. ANd we see the thinking of man all over the Bible, showing their ignorance, and the lies they wrote before, which they forget. I am saying God Almighty makes it easy for those whose heart have good faith to see the lies, because He has exposed them.

8 That is to say, it is not the children of the body [of Abraham] who are made God's children, but it is the offspring to whom the promise applies that shall be counted [as Abraham's true] descendants. AMP

The book of Roman writer must be deluded. He says things that he had no proof of. The Bible writes that Little innocent Ischmael will be a wild man. It happened he never was. He turned out to be a good, peaceful and loving man, husband, father and community member. Again what was the promised that will never fail? And if from the children of Jacob there is a single bad person who does not believe in God, then what; is he or she still a child of Yahweh, and covered within the promise? It is a fact that there are many Jews who eat pork. All you have to do is to look at American jewry. There are many in Israel who eat pork, and just to cut to the chase, many of them are Buddist, and all the other isms. Are these men and women still children of Yahweh, by the wives of yahweh who are nameless, faceless, probably out of adultery? Ridiculous your idea is Tonye-t.

You need to go on Youtube and see series of videos of Jews abusing christians, Jesus, etc. Then you can see, Old Bible found in Palestine that says what the Quran says about Jesus, as Prophet, Messenger to his people and not God but human,

God bless you

Hope that is not the three gods you worship?

sorry o! no vex, Huh Huh but i cant seem to understand a damn thing you really spotting at against the Christians. wooow i dont know where exactly you are coming from or where goest you. . . got me reminiscing the days of Abuzola. Grin Grin Grin

Bro you can take this and lets start from there, atleast a better head way Grin Grin

The Quran in Sura 3:55 (Al-Imran) - "Allah said, Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection."

God says that the followers of Jesus will be exalted above the followers of Mohammed

and besides i have gone thru' the Holy Quran twice and the MUhammed i read from seems quite different from the one portrayed by the ignorant Muslims, He seemed so peaceful, accomodating, humble and spoke the truth about the greatness of Jesus.

Have you ever read where Quran described Jesus as the spirit that proceeds from God and Muhammed as just a messenger who accepted he was a sinner too?! well well well much ado about Christ and his undisputed supremacy. Tongue Tongue Grin Grin

nopuqeater:

He is sufficient. He sustains all. He is there before beginning. He never have died. He will never die. He wil be there after everyone has experienced death. He will be the Only One Who decides the affairs and the ending of everyone.

nopuqeater:

Who is the Speaker? Who was He addressing at the time Jesus was alive on earth? What was Jesus response? Was Jesus saying "oh no, partner, am not ready to leave and since we are partner, I will leave or do what I want?" Of course not. A[b] slave, a servant, a messenger, is what Jesus was and never equal to his Lord, God Almighty Allah, the Creator. [/b] May Allah open your inner eye, since you are obviously blind as a bat. Though bat is not blind. It is an expression about them. You you are blind in the heart.

What else do you want?, what else does your [moslems] rebellious nature want more?, what else does that reprobacy in you wants?. The deity of Jesus Christ needs no debate. What it is - is - what it is.

Nopuqeater pls was Tonye the writer of your quran? absolutely no! Did i infuence Sura to write those words about Isa in your Quran? absolutely No! why cant you guys just accept the truth, live and let others live?

According to your Quran (peace be unto it) Isa (Jhe-isua meaning Jesus) is the spirit that proceeds from Allah (Ruhull-llah), inotherwords, it says Jesus is the spirit that proceeds from God. And what baffles me more is that the same Quran i have read regards Ibrahim (peace be unto him) as a friend of Allah, it regards Moses as Allah's spokesman, it regarded Muhammed (peace be unto Him) as just a messager of God but coming to Isa (Jesus - peace be unto him) it called him the spirit that proceeds from Allah.

I have never liked debating Islamic issues here in nairaland because alot of the Moslem folks here are so ignorant of the simple words of great Allah (Ruhull-llah), and if you must know i grew up in a military barracks were we went to church on sundays and makaranta on fridays. .

Peace be unto you my Pigless-eating brother.!

Quote from: nopuqeater on August 03, 2010, 09:27 PM
He is sufficient. He sustains all. He is there before beginning. He never have died. He will never die. He wil be there after everyone has experienced death. He will be the Only One Who decides the affairs and the ending of everyone.

woooww. . . i bet flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. thanks for my God is truly worthy of praises.

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Quote from: nopuqeater on August 03, 2010, 09:27 PM
Who is the Speaker? Who was He addressing at the time Jesus was alive on earth? What was Jesus response? Was Jesus saying "oh no, partner, am not ready to leave and since we are partner, I will leave or do what I want?" Of course not. A slave, a servant, a messenger, is what Jesus was and never equal to his Lord, God Almighty Allah, the Creator. May Allah open your inner eye, since you are obviously blind as a bat. Though bat is not blind. It is an expression about them. You you are blind in the heart.

Allah doesnt need to open my eyes, they were open already even before you had your o'level in Islam

then it will appropriate and i will not be unjust to you if i say may Allah keep your eyes closed, or bind, except that you believe that Allah is the Holder of all Powers?

lets see what your Quran says about my Jesus and his deity-attributes.
Sura 4:171 (Al-Nisa) - "Al-Masih (Messiah), Isa (Jesus) the son of Mariam, was no more than Allah's apostle, and His[Allah's] Word which He bestowed on Mariam, for he is a spirit proceeding from Allah.

Where s the deity atribute here, with such a qualification of no more than Apostle of Allah? Is it not all Messengers and Prophets referred as "Apostles of Allah"? Are they now all deities, when Allah is the Only True Deity? Your disbeliever confusion may have stemmed from the "a spirit from Him".

The meaning of a spirit from Him is that Allah created a spirit for mankind which He kept with Himself and did not let it to be part of anything of the creations, as they come to their full existence; not the Angels created from light, not the genie created from smokeless fire, not the animals or plants or planets or galaxies, etc, but human being, Adam being first that the Spirit was breath into. When it came to Eve, she was from part of Adam was alive, and it may have been breath into her or commanded to proceed into her as it was commanded to proceed into Jesus, later, or any other form that it got to her. When it comes to us who have father and mother, egg and sperm mixing together, the process is the same, because the Quran says that at some earliest stage in the pregnancy, the Angels are sent to bring into the maybe still undetected fetus; the soul or spirit, which now makes the person 'alive, human', where as before this it may just have been sperm and egg combo only.

You already killed your own argument by the act of command which Allah did to make Jesus becomes human, in his mother Maryam's body. It is the same that Allah did for me in my mother's body. It was His command that brought me alive, because the egg and sperm combo could not have stayed and work the full process that brought me about.

#1: The witness of Sura chapter 4 and verse 171 (Al-nisa) said it plain that Jesus is the son of Mariam (Virgin Mary)
#2: He goes on to say, Isa (Jesus) was also Allah's apostle

Maryam's son, and Allah's Apostle. Where is the deitification?

#3: He spoke under the true influence of Allah (peace unto him) that Isa (Jesus) is a spirit that proceeds from Allah.

Wo did you proceed from, Tonye-t; the devil? Who created the devil as in commands to exist, but Allah? WHo commanded Adam as in to exist, but Allah? Who commanded your parents to exist, grow up from youth and they met each other in bed as husband and wife, as assumed that you are a product of legal marriage, and then their conjugal union finally produce like specie, you, but Allah? Do you reason?

What else do you want?, what else does your [moslems] rebellious nature want more?, what else does that reprobacy in you wants?. The deity of Jesus Christ needs no debate. What it is - is - what it is.

Allah say this in the Quran about the bringing about of Jesus, son of Virgin Maryam; "Verily, the likeness of ‘Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!"--- and he was". [Chapter 3: verse 59]. Is Jesus not from dust, too? Yes. He is from dust. His mother was. From two geneologies, everyone on it is from dust. And he fed from what came out from dust. Just like every dead person, according to you he was buried in the dust.

If Jesus is not from dust, then no one except from Adam is from it, except that the Christians never stop saying dust to dust in their burial rituals at the grave site. But then say that all things and beings are commanded into existence following the creative order allotted to its kind, so Jesus was in her mother's womb for a period, like every human being; "And they (Jews, Christians and pagans) say: Allah has begotten a son (Children or offspring). Glory be to Him (Exalted be He above all that they associate with Him). Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth, and all surrender with obedience (in worship) to Him", "The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it: "Be!" and it is". [Chapter 2: verses 116-17].

And All says of Himself different from all others in Chapter 112 as follows; "Say (O Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him)) "He is Allah, (the) One", "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks)", "He begets not, nor was He begotten", "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him". [Chapter 112 verses 1-4]. Where is deity of Jesus possible in all of these? Jesus said with his own mouth in Quran; "And (remember) when ‘Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you confirming the Taurat [Torah which came] before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed .

But when he (Ahmed i.e. Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) came to them with clear proofs, they said: "This is plain magic".
[Chapter 6: verse 61]. And in the Bible: The New Testament speaks of the coming of a "Comforter" after the ministry of Jesus. Some Christians believe or were made to believe that the promised "Comforter" is the "Holy Spirit", but this view cannot be maintained because the "Holy Spirit" was already present during Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) ministry, and its coming was not a future event. The Muslims, therefore, believe that the term "Comforter" of necessity refers to a Prophet.

He was Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) the unlearned Prophet , the sole Prophet who brought with him a complete, comprehensive revelation from God which has been preserved as it was revealed to him originally, challenging the whole world to come up with one chapter like it, yet unsuccessfully challenged till present day. It is the Miracle of Miracles, the Last Testament of faith addressed to the whole world embodying complete light and guidance as well as the reprove of sin.. In chapter % of the Quran, Allah say that dont man see that Jesus and his mother Maryam were humans; eatingm drinking, needing, etc? Is any of these a sin of a real Deity?

Nopuqeater pls was Tonye the writer of your quran? absolutely no! Did i infuence Sura to write those words about Isa in your Quran? absolutely No! why cant you guys just accept the truth, live and let others live?

Tonye-t, while we accept what Quran says of jesus and live and let other live, the truth is that you are not the writer nor did you influence what is written in the Quran. This is why you missed it so clearly. Allah says that Jesus was an apostle, and if you know what apostle means, you would not have continued to argue. There is a church group called the "Apostolic Church". If apostle from which apostolic is coined from is not meaning God like, then what the heck drove you to think Apostle of Allah means Allah? Tonye-t and his tunnel vision.

According to your Quran (peace be unto it) Isa (Jhe-isua meaning Jesus) is the spirit that proceeds from Allah (Ruhull-llah), inotherwords, it says Jesus is the spirit that proceeds from God. And what baffles me more is that the same Quran i have read regards Ibrahim (peace be unto him) as a friend of Allah, it regards Moses as Allah's spokesman, it regarded Muhammed (peace be unto Him) as just a messager of God but coming to Isa (Jesus - peace be unto him) it called him the spirit that proceeds from Allah.

Allah of us are spirits proceeding from Allah. Proceeding from is not different from allowed to go, brought about by, made to activate.

I hope you are are not a spirit proceeding from Shaytan, and you are not a sppoke person of Shaytan, and not a friend of Shaytan, and not a messenger of Shaytan? Everyone of us is in one degree or another is each of the qualification that each is noted to be. For example am a soul/spirit coming forth from Allah (by His Permission), the same way that Jesus was. Except that my birth is like the birth of the first children of Adam, with conjugal act of father and mother. Yet my creation is like that of Adam, that of Eve, that of Jesus in my mother's womb. I am a friend of Allah who is my Friend and Ally and am His spokesman to you, presently. After all am telling you that Allah is One, and Jesus is not a God and your worshipping him makes you a form of idolater.

I have never liked debating Islamic issues here in nairaland because alot of the Moslem folks here are so ignorant of the simple words of great Allah (Ruhull-llah), and if you must know i grew up in a military barracks were we went to church on sundays and makaranta on fridays. Grin Grin Grin.

And your military experience does not make you a pundit of Islam. Though I am neither, but I practice that very religion, Islam all my life, up to now and still continuing to learn. I have not heard the word Makaranta before. It must have been some local barrack location language. Ruhulllah, I am, too. Everyone is. And that Ruh that Allah mentioned for man is created by Allah. Allah is not part of His creation. His creation is not part of Him.

Peace be unto you my Pigless-eating brother.! Grin Grin

No Pork is a muslim oriented Chinese restaurant in New York City. Thanks for calling me pigless eater. I hope you can turn out to just like that, soon.

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where is nopuqeater no-pig-eater? Grin Grin come lets continue abi you dont see truth run!? Grin Grin Grin Grin

sometimes am here and there. But this color dont run. You are disbeliever (read your confusion about God by your calling Him a trinity which is in itself idolatry) and I on the other hand is a believer who knows and accepts what God says of Himself and what He says of others, His creation.

Qu'ran[60:8]

"GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. Allah loves the equitable. "