Judas was a treasurer among the disciples, managing the wealth of Jesus/Jesus Church, so how was the church run? I hope this gets to daddy-Freeze himself.

I need simple direct answers.

CodeTemplar:
Judas was a treasurer among the disciples, managing the wealth of Jesus/Jesus Church, so how was the church run? I hope this gets to daddy-Freeze himself.

I need simple direct answers.

1. From each according to his means and to each according to his needs.
2. Freewill gifts and donations
3. Volunteering

kitaatita:


1. From each according to his means and to each according to his needs.
2. Freewill gifts and donations
3. Volunteering

hmmm . . . Are u against tithes like freeze?

1 Corinthians 16 v 1- 2.....

16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

2 Corinthians 9 v 5 - 8

9:5 Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.

9:6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.

9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

Luke 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Tithing was for the Jews due to their inheritance. Only ten tribes got land to farm while the Levi and House of Aaron were to care for the temple and their spiritual needs at the temple.

God bless you.

CodeTemplar:
hmmm . . . Are u against tithes like freeze?

Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when he was still alive?

Seun:

Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when he was still alive?

How did he get the money Judas was in charge of?

Seun:

Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when he was still alive?

He encouraged it in Mathew 23 : 23.
I consider that an implicit demand.

I can never pay tithes in all this churches owned by a single person were they see him as a god..I can't pay tithes in chuches like redeem,winners chapel,deeper life etc
I know of a Nigerian man in USA, he is a pastor,redeem sponsored him to the USA to start a church in the 90's but he is now running his own church, he now has two branch in Lagos and one in Ondo state, he is about to buy a property in Maryland and build a church on it...he ones said to me that church is a business.

My parent do attend Baptist church, I don't go to church but that's the only church I can pay tithe cause if the way baptist church is structured, people ask question about how money is been spent not like all this one man church were the head pastor use money to buy private jet and live a good life with his family

Omololu001:
I can never pay tithes in all this churches owned by a single person were they see him as a god..I can't pay tithes in chuches like redeem,winners chapel,deeper life etc
I know of a Nigerian man in USA, he is a pastor,redeem sponsored him to the USA to start a church in the 90's but he is now running his own church, he now has two branch in Lagos and one in Ondo state, he is about to buy a property in Maryland and build a church on it...he ones said to me that church is a business.

My parent do attend Baptist church, I don't go to church but that's the only church I can pay tithe cause if the way baptist church is structured, people ask question about how money is been spent not like all this one man church were the head pastor use money to buy private jet and live a good life with his family

Baptist Churches are very right. They preach the once saved always saved doctrine which is the true doctrine of salvation. That's the Church I want to start attending and pay my tithe there as from January 2019. May God help me.

As for all these Pentecostal churches, they are just fraud and have brought shame to the body of Christ.

alBHAGDADI:


Baptist Churches are very right. They preach then once saved always saved doctrine which is the true doctrine of salvation. That's the Church I want to start attending and pay my tithe there as from January 2019. May God help me.

As for all these Pentecostal churches, they are just fraud and have brought shame to the body of Christ.

in Baptist church, pastors don't have the final say, they do have committee that makes decision and pastors only rely on the salaries the church they preach in feels they can pay the pastor,renting of house,buying of car and other stuff like that for the pastor is decided by the committee which is made up of some of the church members...it's not a situation where what a pastor say is the final, for example if the pastor want his salary to be increase or he wanna go for any program and wants the church to sponsor him, if most member of the committee are against the church sponsoring the pastor to the program is either he sponsor himself or sit down at his house...concerning increasing the pastor salary, if majority of the committee member are against increasing the pastor salary,the pastor will have two choice stay and be collecting the salary like that or leave.

Omololu001:
I can never pay tithes in all this churches owned by a single person were they see him as a god..I can't pay tithes in chuches like redeem,winners chapel,deeper life etc
I know of a Nigerian man in USA, he is a pastor,redeem sponsored him to the USA to start a church in the 90's but he is now running his own church, he now has two branch in Lagos and one in Ondo state, he is about to buy a property in Maryland and build a church on it...he ones said to me that church is a business.

My parent do attend Baptist church, I don't go to church but that's the only church I can pay tithe cause if the way baptist church is structured, people ask question about how money is been spent not like all this one man church were the head pastor use money to buy private jet and live a good life with his family

Well Winners ( LFC ) do use their jet for the world mission runs and I wonder how you know it is the GO or head pastor enjoying it. Even junior pastor can use it if there be demand for such.

CodeTemplar:
Well Winners ( LFC ) do use their jet for the world mission runs and I wonder how you know it is the GO or head pastor enjoying it. Even junior pastor can use it if there be demand for such.

Is anything wrong with commercial airlines?

alBHAGDADI:
Is anything wrong with commercial airlines?

yes. flight connecting African nnations that are expected totake less than 24 hrs sometimes take over a week and cost more because of empty seats cost they have to transfer to those boarding the flight.

If you think a church that hates wastage and manages resource at unprecedented level will go buy a jet and start running it wastefully then you are mistaken. Winners built a 15 mw plant at N1.8Bn, show me any church or govt that beats that. Check their covenant uni stadium cost to quality ratio and show me a better one around.
check their senate building cost also and compare it to popular govt buildings like the N24Bn EFCC building (EFCC oh and not NNPC).
There are private individuals with far less travelling to do that own jets and I dont know what you expect a church with over 20,000 employee and many stations across Africa to do. Dangote and his top staffs don't travel as much as winners pastors combined but they have a jet. Dont forget these same jets sometimes serve as relief material cargo plane.

Let us be honest, the church (winners / redeem etc ) needs more jets and that doesn't mean everybody needs a private jet like some much smaller ministries with few stations within Nigeria are trying to make it a thing of fashion.

CodeTemplar:
yes. flight connecting African nnations that are expected totake less than 24 hrs sometimes take over a week and cost more because of empty seats cost they have to transfer to those boarding the flight.

If you think a church that hates wastage and manages resource at unprecedented level will go buy a jet and start running it wastefully then you are mistaken. Winners built a 15 mw plant at N1.8Bn, show me any church or govt that beats that. Check their covenant uni stadium cost to quality ratio and show me a better one around.
check their senate building cost also and compare it to popular govt buildings like the N24Bn EFCC building (EFCC oh and not NNPC).
There are private individuals with far less travelling to do that own jets and I dont know what you expect a church with over 20,000 employee and many stations across Africa to do. Dangote and his top staffs don't travel as much as winners pastors combined but they have a jet. Dont forget these same jets sometimes serve as relief material cargo plane.

Let us be honest, the church (winners / redeem etc ) needs more jets and that doesn't mean everybody needs a private jet like some much smaller ministries with few stations within Nigeria are trying to make it a thing of fashion.

Are those jets belonging to the church or the GOs?

If it takes that long to connect African countries, then what is the big deal? You even said it is because commercial airlines are usually empty seats, but you went on to mention pastors of churches traveling in bulk. Can't they all fill those empty seats?

I have no huge problem with churches having private jets especially when the church is not owned by one individual who is Lord over all.

alBHAGDADI:


Are those jets belonging to the church or the GOs?

If it takes that long to connect African countries, then what is the big deal? You even said it is because commercial airlines are usually empty seats, but you went on to mention pastors of churches traveling in bulk. Can't they all fill those empty seats?

I have no huge problem with churches having private jets especially when the church is not owned by one individual who is Lord over all.

The belong to the church and are used by the church for winners and redeem that I know. Some other small churches use them a GO property though. Like Oritsejafo's own.

The private jets are usually less than 10 seats in capacity unlike commercial flights of 50 seats and above. If pastors decide to fill the commercial flights for filling sake then they will have to incur another kind of wastage again.

CodeTemplar:

The belong to the church and are used by the church for winners and redeem that I know. Some other small churches use them a GO property though. Like Oritsejafo's own.

The private jets are usually less than 10 seats in capacity unlike commercial flights of 50 seats and above. If pastors decide to fill the commercial flights for filling sake then they will have to incur another kind of wastage again.

Be sincere, who owns RCCG and Winners Chapel?

alBHAGDADI:


Be sincere, who owns RCCG and Winners Chapel?

To me, God does. That's why adeboye was able to become GO after their former GO. Adeboye wont be there forever. So God owns the church and sent his prophets to oversee them.

Who owns Nigeria by the way?

CodeTemplar:
To me, God does. That's why adeboye was able to become GO after their former GO. Adeboye wont be there forever. So God owns the church and sent his prophets to oversee them.

Who owns Nigeria by the way?

We will know who owns them when those men die.

Truly, Religion is scam

CodeTemplar:
yes. flight connecting African nnations that are expected totake less than 24 hrs sometimes take over a week and cost more because of empty seats cost they have to transfer to those boarding the flight.

If you think a church that hates wastage and manages resource at unprecedented level will go buy a jet and start running it wastefully then you are mistaken. Winners built a 15 mw plant at N1.8Bn, show me any church or govt that beats that. Check their covenant uni stadium cost to quality ratio and show me a better one around.
check their senate building cost also and compare it to popular govt buildings like the N24Bn EFCC building (EFCC oh and not NNPC).
There are private individuals with far less travelling to do that own jets and I dont know what you expect a church with over 20,000 employee and many stations across Africa to do. Dangote and his top staffs don't travel as much as winners pastors combined but they have a jet. Dont forget these same jets sometimes serve as relief material cargo plane.

Let us be honest, the church (winners / redeem etc ) needs more jets and that doesn't mean everybody needs a private jet like some much smaller ministries with few stations within Nigeria are trying to make it a thing of fashion.

OK so when a pastor in Port Harcourt wants to travel to Kano they send the jet to him?

LordReed:


OK so when a pastor in Port Harcourt wants to travel to Kano they send the jet to him?

Not neccesarily. Kano-phc is a busy route and i don't think it is wise to spend more the cost of kano-phc to fuel the jet.

alBHAGDADI:
We will know who owns them when those men die.

did rccg former go hand over to his family?

CodeTemplar:
Not neccesarily. Kano-phc is a busy route and i don't think it is wise to spend more the cost of kano-phc to fuel the jet.

So under what circumstances does any of the junior pastors get to use the jet?

LordReed:


So under what circumstances does any of the junior pastors get to use the jet?

like i said earlier intra africa national movement is extremely unpredictable. Also aids to certain crisis prone nations require a junior pastor and not the GO.
To me the church needs a bigger aircraft as the smaller one have to make too many trips at times.

CodeTemplar:
like i said earlier intra africa national movement is extremely unpredictable. Also aids to certain crisis prone nations require a junior pastor and not the GO.
To me the church needs a bigger aircraft as the smaller one have to make too many trips at times.

And these situations justify paying the daily toll for parking the jet(s) as opposed to just hiring one when you need it?

LordReed:


And these situations justify paying the daily toll for parking the jet(s) as opposed to just hiring one when you need it?

if people who barely use theirs for pleasure park and pay for it why not a church that is always using theirs?

How much does it cost hire one by the way? Also do you think hiring one will be economically a wise way to go when they use it more than they park it?

LordReed:


OK so when a pastor in Port Harcourt wants to travel to Kano they send the jet to him?

stop feigning ignorance and dont try to force words i dont mean out of me. Its use is mostly for movement that dont match the public airline movement or international missions. Get it?

CodeTemplar:
stop feigning ignorance and dont try to force words i dont mean out of me. Its use is mostly for movement that dont match the public airline movement or international missions. Get it?

Did you get a brain touch? You already answered this so what is causing this aggression now?

CodeTemplar:
if people who barely use theirs for pleasure park and pay for it why not a church that is always using theirs?

How much does it cost hire one by the way? Also do you think hiring one will be economically a wise way to go when they use it more than they park it?

How frequently do they use it? Every day? Once a week?

LordReed:


How frequently do they use it? Every day? Once a week?

they use it almost every week in winners ( oyedepo ). Its most busy period of use is the church leadership needs to go round the major state branches and intl stations. It can be in persistent use for months. Imagine going to two branches per state then just 10 of the africa based international stations yearly. Add the more unpredictable aid mission to it also.
That's almost a busy allround yearly schedule. People just saw picture of Oyedepo using it and they assume he is going to play golf or just flying it. He works more than 19 hrs a day and hardly rests.

LordReed:


Did you get a brain touch? You already answered this so what is causing this aggression now?

i thought you asked it twice. Apology tenderred.

Seun:

Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when he was still alive?

He received and accepted monetary support. Even had a treasurer.

Nobody demands tithe in my church. They just make the call to whoever has chosen to come to church with his. Try go to a real church, you'll find nobody drags you up your seat if you never step out to pay tithe or give offerings. No matter how long you refrain from giving, you'd still be welcome in church.