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More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by Nobody: 6:02am On Aug 13, 2010
5000 Nigeria-Trained Medical Doctors Practise in US’



Minister of Health Dr. Onyebuchi Chukwu, said recent research has revealed that more than 5000 Nigerian trained medical doctors are currently practising in the United States of America.
The Minister who gave the statistics yesterday at the flag-off of the plenary session of the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria in Abuja said some of the doctors are working at the American specialist hospitals while many more are practising in the United Kingdom and some in African countries.

The minister noted that inspite of the inadequate medical equipment necessary for training medical doctors, there is no difference whatsoever between Nigerian trained doctors and their counterparts all over the world.

He therefore pledged the support of the ministry for the council by ways of increasing capacity of Nigeria medical colleges to produce more medical doctors.

He said the 2000 medical doctors produced annually in Nigeria is highly inadequate, adding that some out of this number will still seek to practice in other countries.
Chukwu promised to ensure certified mandatory professional education, and to support enforcement of the council's stipulated standard, while calling for the review of curriculum used in medical colleges to suit local standard and relevance.


http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=180592
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by Shimao(m): 6:19am On Aug 13, 2010
He said the 2000 medical doctors produced annually in Nigeria is highly inadequate, adding that some out of this number will still seek to practice in other countries.

Why would they not seek to practice elsewhere?
Do you know how appalling the situation of the health sector is?
Does any Nigerian leader visit any of the hospitals here?
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by Nobody: 6:25am On Aug 13, 2010
Shimao:

Why would they not seek to practice elsewhere?
Do you know how appalling the situation of the health sector is?
Does any Nigerian leader visit any of the hospitals here?
wink cool

True that lol.

I'm still wondering what the Nigeria sector has to offer me [not in the med field], talkless of practicing in a facility where the faculties have no vision , where electricity blinks out during a surgery etc. . .

I'm thinking that the health minister made this number up to save face, there's gotta be way more than that amount of docs leaving naija. I've met a lot of NIgerian health professionals just in Fl alone.

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Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 8:28am On Aug 13, 2010
^^
It's not all about government.
For me, Nigerian professionals mostly lack imagination. Health professionals in particular. The health industry is potentially big in Nigeria, maybe even bigger than the much-vaunted telecom. Everybody needs healthcare.

There is so much PPP activity in other sectors, how come private medical practitioners have not approached the government? Private sector operatives could buy into some of the decaying health infrastructure, inject funds and management, and government can still do their free AIDS and malaria programs.

If I was a medical professional, I would target something like that. After all, a South African HMO bought 35% of a Nigerian HMO, Total health Trust.
In fact, now that I think about it, I

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Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 8:34am On Aug 13, 2010
^^
It's not all about government.
For me, Nigerian professionals mostly lack imagination. Health professionals in particular. The health industry is potentially big in Nigeria, maybe even bigger than the much-vaunted telecom. Everybody needs healthcare.

There is so much PPP activity in other sectors, how come private medical practitioners have not approached the government? Private sector operatives could buy into some of the decaying health infrastructure, inject funds and management, and government can still do their free AIDS and malaria programs.

If I was a medical professional, I would target something like that. After all, a South African HMO bought 35% of a Nigerian HMO, Total health Trust.
In fact, now that I think about it, I may just do something along that line, in the digital space. wink
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by tpiah: 7:47pm On Aug 13, 2010
Ileke-IdI:

wink cool

True that lol.

I'm still wondering what the Nigeria sector has to offer me [not in the med field], talkless of practicing in a facility where the faculties have no vision , where electricity blinks out during a surgery etc. . .

I'm thinking that the health minister made this number up to save face, there's gotta be way more than that amount of docs leaving naija. I've met a lot of NIgerian health professionals just in Fl alone.

instead of whining, just thank your stars you got a visa out of nigeria and spare us your never ending sob stories.

gosh! so irritating!

stay put in florida abeg- make it your permanent residence and let the rest of us hear word.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by Nobody: 7:53pm On Aug 13, 2010
AjanleKoko:

^^
It's not all about government.
For me, Nigerian professionals mostly lack imagination. Health professionals in particular. The health industry is potentially big in Nigeria, maybe even bigger than the much-vaunted telecom. Everybody needs healthcare.

There is so much PPP activity in other sectors, how come private medical practitioners have not approached the government? Private sector operatives could buy into some of the decaying health infrastructure, inject funds and management, and government can still do their free AIDS and malaria programs.


If I was a medical professional, I would target something like that. After all, a South African HMO bought 35% of a Nigerian HMO, Total health Trust.
In fact, now that I think about it, I may just do something along that line, in the digital space. wink

Ajelankoko, you make sense, but I was not blaming it on the government.

The healthcare is potentially big everywhere becuse people will always need a healthcare facility. But how exactly is Nigeria putting it's potential into action?

Read this thread: What Are The Major Problems With Primary Health Care In Nigeria?
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-471320.0.html


Until all of those problems are seeing the light of "solutions", doctors/nurses will continue to depart.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 9:27pm On Aug 13, 2010
Ileke-IdI:

Ajelankoko, you make sense, but I was not blaming it on the government.

The healthcare is potentially big everywhere becuse people will always need a healthcare facility. But how exactly is Nigeria putting it's potential into action?

Read this thread: What Are The Major Problems With Primary Health Care In Nigeria?
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-471320.0.html


Until all of those problems are seeing the light of "solutions", doctors/nurses will continue to depart.

Thanks, will look at it and say my piece.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by iice(f): 4:50am On Aug 18, 2010

He therefore pledged the support of the ministry for the council by ways of increasing capacity of Nigeria medical colleges to produce more medical doctors.

Hmmm aren't there many studying that already?
I've met alot of nigerians around the world and practically over half of them are studying medicine in some form.
Half of my family friends are into medicine and not just one kid. . .like 4 out of 5 siblings are in medicine, mostly coz their parents are in the medical field.  Only one of them has shown signs of moving back to Nigeria to practice there.  The rest wish to remain where they are or move to Europe/US/Australia/Asia.

One of my best friends is a doctor.  She works in PH and she complains all the time about the appalling situation.  How not enough equipments, how not enough people to help. . .bless her heart, she's a healer and it breaks her heart when she can't help all who come for help.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 8:49am On Aug 18, 2010
iice:

Hmmm aren't there many studying that already?
One of my best friends is a doctor.  She works in PH and she complains all the time about the appalling situation.  How not enough equipments, how not enough people to help. . .bless her heart, she's a healer and it breaks her heart when she can't help all who come for help.


She can use that determination as drive to empower herself.
She could go out there in the wide world, get more skills, and come back someday to start something to help those people. Even if she can't help now.
Like MI said in his song 'If you don't ever come back home, what good have you done?'
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by iice(f): 2:03pm On Aug 18, 2010
She did think of going into neurosurgery abroad. But decided to stay instead and keep fighting.
If people keep flying out from understaffed hospitals. . .na janitor go dey diagnose pesin ooo
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 2:54pm On Aug 18, 2010
iice:

She did think of going into neurosurgery abroad. But decided to stay instead and keep fighting.
If people keep flying out from understaffed hospitals. . .na janitor go dey diagnose pesin ooo


Hmm.
The health sector in Nigeria, though could be better, is not exactly Haiti. We still have enough health institutions, both government and private, to support the development of better health care delivery. Even the government situation, I am not sure it is so bad. The government still pass some funds the way of the Ministry of Health, but where they all end up is another story altogether.

I have visited a few government hospitals on occasion, and it seems to me (I may be wrong!) that the majority of the problem is the attitude of the health sector workers themselves. There is always one racket or the other going on, all perpetuated by staff, and not really by the government. I'm heard of cases of diversion of free HIV and malaria drugs to private clinics by doctors and other health workers. There are so many of such things going on.

So I don't know about 'fighting'. I think even in the less-than perfect situation, doctors can still do the best they can and strive to achieve more. But to me, it seems health care workers in Nigeria, just like most if not all other professionals, are trying to grab as much as they can from the government. It seems to me that Nigerian doctors are more concerned about their salaries and working hours than anything else, which is why they are always going on strike. That always seems to be the issue on the table.

So my advice to your sister would be to do some honest-to-God soul-searching. If she really wants to do the martydom thing, she can work with health-based NGOs and other not-for-profit health bodies, if she is really interested in selfless service. Else, I believe there are a lot of opportunities to learn and contribute in either government or private sector. She can pursue her neurosurgery dream, and if she wants, she can come back to Nigeria and practice. After all, Richard Ajayi, the fertility doctor of the Bridge Clinic studied in the UK and practised there for years, before coming back to set up in Nigeria. We need more of him, in other areas of medicine, to develop the sector. Not people who just talk vaguely about what 'government' is not doing.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by iice(f): 4:06pm On Aug 18, 2010
AjanleKoko:

I have visited a few government hospitals on occasion, and it seems to me (I may be wrong!) that the majority of the problem is the attitude of the health sector workers themselves. There is always one racket or the other going on, all perpetuated by staff, and not really by the government. I'm heard of cases of diversion of free HIV and malaria drugs to private clinics by doctors and other health workers. There are so many of such things going on.

The attitude is a general thing. Whatever sector, they are always people doing one racket or another. Consequently, i don't see what all this 'government' should be blamed thingie is all about. Afterall the government is made up of said people. Changing one set of racketeers to another doesn't really change anything.

AjanleKoko:

So I don't know about 'fighting'. I think even in the less-than perfect situation, doctors can still do the best they can and strive to achieve more. But to me, it seems health care workers in Nigeria, just like most if not all other professionals, are trying to grab as much as they can from the government. It seems to me that Nigerian doctors are more concerned about their salaries and working hours than anything else, which is why they are always going on strike. That always seems to be the issue on the table.

People always assume that achieving some best is equal for everyone. Everyone one goes on strike. Bloody schools cannot even operate properly. Fighting. . .doesn't always translate to strike.

AjanleKoko:

So my advice to your sister would be to do some honest-to-God soul-searching. If she really wants to do the martydom thing, she can work with health-based NGOs and other not-for-profit health bodies, if she is really interested in selfless service. Else, I believe there are a lot of opportunities to learn and contribute in either government or private sector. She can pursue her neurosurgery dream, and if she wants, she can come back to Nigeria and practice. After all, Richard Ajayi, the fertility doctor of the Bridge Clinic studied in the UK and practised there for years, before coming back to set up in Nigeria. We need more of him, in other areas of medicine, to develop the sector. Not people who just talk vaguely about what 'government' is not doing.

Lmao @ soul searching. Thank goodness for common sense.
If she switches to NGOs, what becomes of those hospitals which need staff? She prefers to stay there and give whatever service she's capable of giving. I don't see why everyone has to strive to be 'prince' 'supremeness' 'gwong bwong' 'chief' or whatever title or supposed achievement that flutters eyelids undecided Some satisfaction is beyond comprehension undecided People dey try give whatever service dem dey capable of. . . Anyway like i always say naija = the way forward lmao grin
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 8:21am On Aug 19, 2010
iice:

Lmao @ soul searching. Thank goodness for common sense.
If she switches to NGOs, what becomes of those hospitals which need staff? She prefers to stay there and give whatever service she's capable of giving. I don't see why everyone has to strive to be 'prince' 'supremeness' 'gwong bwong' 'chief' or whatever title or supposed achievement that flutters eyelids undecided Some satisfaction is beyond comprehension undecided People dey try give whatever service dem dey capable of. . . Anyway like i always say naija = the way forward lmao grin


I'm not sure I get this part of your post.
Everybody has the right to want to be somebody, or not want to be anybody.
What I don't get is, if you sister is cool with doing exactly what she's doing right now, why is she frustrated then?
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by chika98: 8:36am On Aug 19, 2010
^^ It is frustrating and should be for anyone if you really cant help everyone that comes through your door.
An oncologist was telling me that we don't have any cath labs in Nigeira. That is one of the essential part of health care and we haven't even got it
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by lekside44(m): 10:05am On Aug 19, 2010
well, if there are 5000 nigerian doctors out in the us, how many nigerians are in the us? statistics shows that there are not less than 2 million nigerians in the us. thus 5000 is even small compared to the no of nigerians living there.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 11:13am On Aug 19, 2010
chika98:

^^ It is frustrating and should be for anyone if you really cant help everyone that comes through your door.
An oncologist was telling me that we don't have any cath labs in Nigeira. That is one of the essential part of health care and we haven't even got it

That exactly is the part I don't get.
Is it the fact that we don't have those facilities, or that people have to pay for those facilities? Is the government expected to pay for those facilities? Why are private institutions like St. Nicholas and Reddington not investing in those facilities? Are these facilities present in every country of the world?
Look, not having all the facilities does not prevent medical personnel in Nigeria from doing their level best. Plus, I don't know about medical science 'helping' people, when in most countries you have to pay for the medical care anyway. After all, if the facilities were in Nigeria, most people would probably not be able to afford them anyway. We may not be able to treat cancer in Nigeria, but have we treated malaria and typhoid as well as we could? I don't think so.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by SHAFY(m): 11:19am On Aug 19, 2010
Career is something not to play with.I doubt how often parents insist on chosen a career for their offspring.I think this is very wrong!
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by iice(f): 4:57pm On Aug 19, 2010
chika98:

^^ It is frustrating and should be for anyone if you really cant help everyone that comes through your door.
An oncologist was telling me that we don't have any cath labs in Nigeira. That is one of the essential part of health care and we haven't even got it
Thank you ooo

AjanleKoko:

Look, not having all the facilities does not prevent medical personnel in Nigeria from doing their level best.

Are you equating voicing out or lamenting about certain conditions to not doing one's best?
You do know, you can complain but still give your best undecided It's not simply a government thing, or education or manpower. It's the whole cycle which is messed up.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by lekside44(m): 9:53am On Aug 20, 2010
well, 4 nigeria to really move forward in the medical field, the economy has to improve and a lot of funds have to be injected into the medical fields in terms of equipments and manpower.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 10:19am On Aug 20, 2010
iice:

Are you equating voicing out or lamenting about certain conditions to not doing one's best? 
You do know, you can complain but still give your best undecided  It's not simply a government thing, or education or manpower.  It's the whole cycle which is messed up. 


It's difficult to know. I think Nigerians just find it easier to complain about everything and not do anything. After all, I'm right here in the system, and I see everything. Voicing out is fine, but we seem to have made it the only thing we do in Nigeria.

For example, doctors in Lagos state hospitals have been on strike. The industrial court has ordered both the doctors and the government back to the negotiating table. The grouse? Salaries yet again. I'd like to know exactly how much doctors are currently being paid, cos they have been striking about salaries since I was a boy. And Government has been increasing the minimum wage, are they being skipped?

One thing that fazes me. The doctors that are appointed ministers and commissioners of health are not from Cameroun, they are all Nigerian doctors from the ranks of general and teaching hospital doctors. The Medical Associations are there, with meetings upon meetings,the medical and dental councils are all there. All from the ranks of the same doctors that are complaining. What exactly is going on?

When you think about these things, you begin to see why I am not particularly sympathetic to complaints about 'the system, the system!'. What system? We are all in 'the system', so if 'the system' is not working, we are to blame!

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Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by iice(f): 4:42pm On Aug 20, 2010
AjanleKoko:

When you think about these things, you begin to see why I am not particularly sympathetic to complaints about 'the system, the system!'. What system? We are all in 'the system', so if 'the system' is not working, we are to blame!

In the end we are still saying the same thing. 

AjanleKoko:

It's difficult to know. I think Nigerians just find it easier to complain about everything and not do anything. After all, I'm right here in the system, and I see everything. Voicing out is fine, but we seem to have made it the only thing we do in Nigeria.

Very true, but that doesn't mean everything in a painting was painted using the same brush.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by AjanleKoko: 5:30pm On Aug 20, 2010
iice:

Very true, but that doesn't mean everything in a painting was painted using the same brush.

LOL.
Sounds like I'm generalizing abi.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by phantom(m): 12:01pm On Aug 22, 2010
the youngest consultants earn about 3500 dollars, the states pay even less, thats a wonderful salary abi?your idiotic lawmakers have no problem earning much more than their american counterparts but do not think doctors deserve the same treatment.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by gem70: 5:15pm On Aug 22, 2010
The system is bad yes, But who makes up d system. Health care delivery involves 1, Health care providers 2. Infrastructure n facilities 3, Processes, I stil believe dat if u hav good providers quality health care can still be rendered, What is d attitude to wok? Do u show empathy? Do you listen to your patients? Do you show you care? Do u update your self n ur field? More importantly are you an advocate of good health for d common man? I agree dat good salary will help motivate you but ultimately it is dat inner desire to help a sick child,man or woman dat will drive you to give ur very best, Hw many of u doctors hav dis?
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by phantom(m): 5:37pm On Aug 22, 2010
my man, the only reason why we even have a semblance of health care in this country is because of doctors and their resolve to give good service, Doctors are humans too with families and i think it unfair that they are cryin against injustice and someone somewhere is busy blackmailing them with the hippocratic oath.are we really serious in this country?believe or not, the choice to stay back in the country( especially by those who can move elsewhere but dont wont to)is sacrifice enough.i can tell you that healthcare in this country is one or probably the only service in this country where the providers are striving hard to maintain a reasonable standard of service.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by tpiah: 9:53pm On Aug 22, 2010
phantom:

the youngest consultants earn about 3500 dollars, the states pay even less, thats a wonderful salary abi?your idiotic lawmakers have no problem earning much more than their american counterparts but do not think doctors deserve the same treatment.




are you saying a monthly wage of $3500 in nigeria is something to scoff at?

plz explain yourself.
Re: More Than 5000 Nigeria-trained Medical Doctors Practise In Us’ by adamsrib(f): 8:08am On Mar 08, 2011
phantom:

the youngest consultants earn about 3500 dollars, the states pay even less, thats a wonderful salary abi?your idiotic lawmakers have no problem earning much more than their american counterparts but do not think doctors deserve the same treatment.

Amen to that! My husband has just a few years to go in medical school to be a surgeon. Once he is finished I have a feeling we will be leaving Nigeria. He can earn more money abroad and have better working conditions. I applaud all the doctors who stay, because they are truly doing it to make a difference in their homeland.

Being American I have never heard of doctors going on strike before. My husband had to explain to me what is going on and why they are striking. Doctors in Lagos are fighting for things that in the west is a given benefit. I pray the strike is resolved quickly and both parties are satisfied.
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