Dhumancanvas:
On a final note. There is no such thing as athiestic evolution. There is simply evolution. A widely accepted theory which is by far the best explanation we have for life as it exists in all its variety.

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NNAMDIII:
is there God?

I DO NOT KNOW THIS, AND I DON'T CARE.

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NNAMDIII:
you're an atheist right? I don't know if there's God but i don't want him to exist if truly there's a God

UyiIredia:


Nna men you just complimented BS.

Dhumancanvas:
However I feel its way too rigid, once one regards a concept to be an absolute truth theres no room for flexibility.

Dhumancanvas:
I'm more orientated towards relativism but not to the extent that absolutely everything is relative.

Dhumancanvas:
On a final note. There is no such thing as athiestic evolution. There is simply evolution. A widely accepted theory which is by far the best explanation we have for life as it exists in all its variety.

TV01:
And the demand for, or higher virtue of, "flexibility" over absolutes is?

In the absence of absolutes, the concept of relativism itself becomes tenuous.

Agree on "evolution". Especially relative to the bible, as "evolution" in any form is simply counter to the biblical narrative.

"Widely accepted" does not accords to truth in either a relative or absolute sense. And when you describe the absurdity of evolution "as the best explanation", do you mean in an absolute or relative sense .


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Dhumancanvas:
I'm not gonna argue about absolutism and relativism as its opposite. Thinking in terms of those will only lead to pointless round about arguments.

Dhumancanvas:
Do you have a better theory than that proposed by evolution?

Dhumancanvas:
The evidence is clear, from DNA and anatomical similarities across different spieces, to fossil records. Even in other fields like psychology, certain behaviours can be adequately explained from an evolutionary stand point. But please if you have a better explanation i would love to hear it or read it as it were.

TV01:


Creation


DNA is essentially a templated script, a code. Reproduction is only ever within the limits of that code and, there is no known mechanism for the script to acquire new code. Indeed, inherent within the code is a self-regulating function, designed to ameliorate any errors.

Anatomical similarities are not proof of "evolution". It is more a deduction (in the sense that it is opinion not evidence).

The mechanisms and dynamics ascribed to TOE do not bear real scrutiny. Theories in many fields are forced through the lens of evolution - for a number of reasons. They do not constitute proof, only an attempt to align them with the TOE which is in a sense inviolate, but not true.



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Dhumancanvas:
I don't like the concept. I can't argue against it cuz it just seems like a trap and im not going to attempt to. However I feel its way too rigid, once one regards a concept to be an absolute truth theres no room for flexibility. If there is one thing history has taught us it is that we usually don't know absolutely what is true and what is absolutely moral. Not too long ago people were sure the earth was flat and nothing was morally wrong with owning people as slaves, now that's all changed.

I'm more orientated towards relativism but not to the extent that absolutely everything is relative. When it comes to morality for example, homosexuality is a crime here in Nigeria but perfectly fine in some other parts of the world.

Ultimately I'm against rigidity and I feel thats what the concept of absolutes promotes.

On a final note. There is no such thing as athiestic evolution. There is simply evolution. A widely accepted theory which is by far the best explanation we have for life as it exists in all its variety.

johnydon22:


I think for truth to make sense it has to be absolute.

A non-absolute truth by definition cannot be true.

Some years back most people believed the earth was flat - this doesn't mean it is true that the earth is flat.

I also do not like absolutes but truth as a concept must be absolute or it is not truth.

budaatum:
Neither had I until this!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uMjLKNf4ic

What you make of the concept of "absolute truth"?

Dhumancanvas:


Well. Whats your take on it then?

Dhumancanvas:


I'm not gonna argue about absolutism and relativism as its opposite. Thinking in terms of those will only lead to pointless round about arguments.

Do you have a better theory than that proposed by evolution?

The evidence is clear, from DNA and anatomical similarities across different spieces, to fossil records. Even in other fields like psychology, certain behaviours can be adequately explained from an evolutionary stand point. But please if you have a better explanation i would love to hear it or read it as it were.

Dhumancanvas:


Creation for which unlike evolution there exists no evidence whatsoever. I think I'll place my bets on the theory that at least has some backing.

Anatomical similarities is proof actually. That fishes and even birds have similar bone structure to mammals and indeed humans points to a common ancestory.

Similarities in DNA does too. I mean its been shown that we even share a small portion of DNA with some plants. To put in another way, you can tell family ties by similarities in DNA -you know, like paternity test-. If all things were created independent from each other there is no reason why pretty much all spieces in some way share DNA. The closer the speices to man e.g. apes the more of our DNA we share. All this supports TOE.

My take is this. Noone really knows whats going on. We all just came and met the world as it is. Even our best minds don't have it all figured out. What we do have are models and thories that attempt to explain life, existence, the universe and all that. Now, as far as that goes, creationism and models proposed by most religions do not provide good explanations as to what's really going on. So far following the scientific method has been shown to offer better models and explanations.
Science is constantly under scrutiny. False or inaccurate models are disproved, abandoned and replaced with better ones which offer more accurate explanations. Mean while christianity for example relys on a book from 2 thousands years ago written by far less knowledgeable people and even considers it a virture that the book is pretty much the same now as it was then.

To bring it back to the whole evolution vs creationism thing. C'mon there is no competition. Evolution is obviously the better explanation. It succeeds in explaining life as it is to a very high degree of accuracy. Creationism explains nothing and relys purely on faith. Even the Pope agrees with evolution and religious scholars. They don't argue agasint it. What they argue is that God had a hand in evolution.

The writing is a little long but i hope you read it entirely and get what im trying to say.

johnydon22:


It is surprising that his argument stopped at only chance being nothing due to lack of physical qualities.

Time can also on that note be nothing.

shadeyinka:

But isn't time a description of the interval between two physical events?

shadeyinka:


Your argument is like saying:
All earth vehicles (from bicycles to trailers and other articulated vehicles) are anatomically similar hence a proof of evolution and not design!

So what is the truth?
How can truth be determined?

johnydon22:
No more physically qualitative than chance.

OpenYourEyes1:


The mindset is sickening.

shadeyinka:
Why?

shadeyinka:


Your argument is like saying:
All earth vehicles (from bicycles to trailers and other articulated vehicles) are anatomically similar hence a proof of evolution and not design!

So what is the truth?
How can truth be determined?

OpenYourEyes1:


I mean the mindset of the evolutionists.

You asked a great question bro.

Dhumancanvas:

Yea I've heard that argument before and frankly its a poor one. Man made objects as the name suggests are obviously man made, its clear, there is a factory, raw materials are extracted and compiled together according to a plan/design to create them. That has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. C'mon, i don't know you but i would like to believe you're smarter than that.

Evolution attempts to explain the mechanism by which life, from simple beginnings evolved to the many complex forms we see today. If you read the my take paragraph you should have observed that I'm not even trying to make any absolute claims about evolution. What i am saying is as far as best explanations go. It is by far superior to anything else. Definitely more than creationism which really doesn't explain nothing, life is because a God noone can explain created it.

I really find it funny that you would compare life. Which grows-from a single cell(zigote) to a full adult human being/animal or from a small seed to a massive tree- to man made objects which is put together by gathering individual parts to create a complete form.

As for how we know and determine truth? Investigation my dear. We carry out investigations using the scientific method. We test findings to see if they work and if they do we keep them, if they don't we dismiss them and carry out further investigations. That's how we know most of what we know today.

How do you think we determine truth? Faith? Mr preacher man or a book says this is true and so i believe its true, no question.

OpenYourEyes1:


What dna evidence, anatomical similarities across species, and fossil records?


"Even in other fields like psychology, certain behaviours can be adequately explained from an evolutionary stand point."
What behavior

Dhumancanvas:
I don't like the concept. I can't argue against it cuz it just seems like a trap and im not going to attempt to. However I feel its way too rigid, once one regards a concept to be an absolute truth theres no room for flexibility. If there is one thing history has taught us it is that we usually don't know absolutely what is true and what is absolutely moral. Not too long ago people were sure the earth was flat and nothing was morally wrong with owning people as slaves, now that's all changed.

I'm more orientated towards relativism but not to the extent that absolutely everything is relative. When it comes to morality for example, homosexuality is a crime here in Nigeria but perfectly fine in some other parts of the world.

Ultimately I'm against rigidity and I feel thats what the concept of absolutes promotes.
On a final note. There is no such thing as athiestic evolution. There is simply evolution. A widely accepted theory which is by far the best explanation we have for life as it exists in all its variety.

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NNAMDIII:
is there God?

UyiIredia:
Nna men you just complimented BS.

Dhumancanvas:
Well. Whats your take on it then?

UyiIredia:
I believe in intelligent design which is different from YEC.

OpenYourEyes1:


What dna evidence, anatomical similarities across species, and fossil records?


"Even in other fields like psychology, certain behaviours can be adequately explained from an evolutionary stand point."
What behavior