So, this is a hypothetical question and it deals with a hypothetical moral dilema.

We all know what a clone is, so supposing we explore a hypothetical scenario for this.

Imagine we are able to clone humans, these clones of course would be photocopies of the original human.

So, imagine that we have a clone for each individual or even as many as any individual can afford, and when this individual needs an organ like Liver, heart, lungs, kidney, transplant, these organs are harvested from yoir clone for your use.

So, in other words, these clones are just like bean pods for human organ requirements.

Do you think such practise can be referred to as moral?

For me personally, i think the most important question to this is; Are human clones humans?

Imagine if doctors asked if it was moral to cut open a human being and perform an operation?

Personally I don't think cloning can be possible but even if some gametes are reared to form special breeds of humans for organ harvesting, it would still not be moral.

Is it moral to allow Someone to die when you have the skills and power to keep them alive? On the other hand, we can also ask, why not simply transfer the consciousness from the first to the clone so he continues living to say 200 years?

I see no problem of morality here.

In fact the only problem I see here is what if the clone decides to kill the original to take his place?
or what if the clones try to take over the world? and we have a clone war

Are babies humans

Good topic. I have nothing much to contribute as i dont believe in interests above morals. The clones have no defendable interests and nothing at stake except for our emotional sentiments

MrRichmond:
Imagine if doctors asked if it was moral to cut open a human being and perform an operation?

I do not understand this.

ABCthings:
Personally I don't think cloning can be possible but even if some gametes are reared to form special breeds of humans for organ harvesting, it would still not be moral.

It is hypothetical, so whether it is possible or not is inconsequential.

So, why do you think it would be immoral?

rottennaija:
Is it moral to allow Someone to die when you have the skills and power to keep them alive? On the other hand, we can also ask, why not simply transfer the knowledge, experience from the first to the clone so he continues living to say 200 years?

When you say transfer, you mean a transfer of consciousness?

tartar9:
Are babies humans

Yes. So?

HardMirror:
Good topic. I have nothing much to contribute as i dont believe in interests above morals. The clones have no defendable interests and nothing at stake except for our emotional sentiments

Therefore since they are our creations, we hardly owe them any moral obligation innit?

johnydon22:
Yes. So?

Will it be okay to start producing babies just for the sake of organ harvesting or similar reason?
Babies,somewhat,are also our creation.
Be they clones or whatever,they still are humans,with the capabilities of thinking,feeling or whatever characterizes a human.How they were created or came about doesn't matter.

johnydon22:
Therefore since they are our creations, we hardly owe them any moral obligation innit?

yes except we want to give it to them. And if majority are against it, then we avoid it all together. The powerful side always makes the choices for the weaker. There is no need being politically correct on this

johnydon22:
Therefore since they are our creations, we hardly owe them any moral obligation innit?

Of course you owe them moral obligation(s) gaffer. These "creations" are not originally yours and neither anyone else from the beginning to start with, you thieving the b-word and your hypocrite hypothetical question. Why not start from scratch huh? If you are that highly intelligent bad arse clever why not find and use your own original ingredients to make human beings with instead of tinkering with, snooping and poking into ready made human beings done by Somebody else huh?

Back on to the thread question. If man can restrain himself, be ethical, responsible and scrupulous, there isn't anything wrong then, with and/or him cloning humans for organ harvesting. This incidentally will just be a far fetched prophecy being fulfilled. Just because the Chinese have successfully cloned monkeys, doesnt mean we human beings, are next.

johnydon22:
For me personally, i think the most important question to this is; Are human clones humans?

The Chinese cloned monkeys are monkeys as far as monkeys are known aren't they? But again, back to your question about whether human clones are human, well simple and objectively clear answer, is capital NO they arent and thats because of an obvious reason

johnydon22:
For me personally, i think the most important question to this is; Are human clones humans?

That, precisely, is the question. Are "photocopies of the original human", human? Does it breath, poo, have a mind and can tell its creator to fuq off when it wants as I its original can, or is it my creation, as in one that I have "full inalienable right over", "to do with however it pleases me"?

johnydon22:
When you say transfer, you mean a transfer of consciousness?

yes, that what I had in mind

The thought of having a clone of me makes my stomach rumble. I can't imagine staring at another me. Resident evil comes to mind. My clones would think they are me. They would have my emotions and everything. They wouldn't want to be harvested like a tree bearing fruits -- the same way I wouldn't want it done to me. They will be me.

The immorality is the last thing to even worry about, because this will be chaotic.

rottennaija:
yes, that what I had in mind

Is this based on the assumption that the clone was conscious or not conscious prior?

tartar9:

Will it be okay to start producing babies just for the sake of organ harvesting or similar reason?
Babies,somewhat,are also our creation.
Be they clones or whatever,they still are humans,with the capabilities of thinking,feeling or whatever characterizes a human.How they were created or came about doesn't matter.

Ok, fair enough.

What if they have no thinking capabilities, just dummy copy of us.

(E.g; A clone of you will look exact my like you, no difference, only wouldn't possess your mind)

HardMirror:
yes except we want to give it to them. And if majority are against it, then we avoid it all together. The powerful side always makes the choices for the weaker. There is no need being politically correct on this

Don't you think the conceptualization of law and morality as in the world today panders on the weak and less so on the powerful?

MuttleyLaff:
Of course you oweu them moral obligation(s) gaffer. These "creations" are not originally yours and neither anyone else from the beginning to start with, you thieving the b-word and your hypocrite hypothetical question. Why not start from scratch huh? If you are that highly intelligent bad arse clever why not find and use your own original ingredients to make human beings with instead of tinkering with, snooping and poking into ready made human beings done by Somebody else huh?

Back on to the thread question. If man can restrain himself, be ethical, responsible and scrupulous, there isn't anything wrong then, with and/or him cloning humans for organ harvesting. This incidentally will just be a far fetched prophecy being fulfilled. Just because the Chinese have successfully cloned monkeys, doesnt mean we human beings, are next.

The Chinese cloned monkeys are monkeys as far as monkeys are known aren't they? But again, back to your question about whether human clones are human, well simple and objectively clear answer, is capital NO they arent and thats because of an obvious reason

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johnydon22:
So, this is a hypothetical question and it deals with a hypothetical moral dilema.

We all know what a clone is, so supposing we explore a hypothetical scenario for this.

Imagine we are able to clone humans, these clones of course would be photocopies of the original human.

So, imagine that we have a clone for each individual or even as many as any individual can afford, and when this individual needs an organ like Liver, heart, lungs, kidney, transplant, these organs are harvested from yoir clone for your use.

So, in other words, these clones are just like bean pods for human organ requirements.

Do you think such practise can be referred to as moral?

If they will not allow the bodies to have cognitive functions then it will be fine in my opinion or else you just birthed another human being.

budaatum:

That, precisely, is the question. Are "photocopies of the original human", human? Does it breath, poo, have a mind and can tell its creator to fuq off when it wants as I its original can, or is it my creation, as in one that I have "full inalienable right over", "to do with however it pleases me"?

If it does breathe, poo or have a mind. Does this in anyway make it less your creation?

LordReed:


If they will not allow the bodies to have cognitive functions then it will be fine in my opinion or else you just birthed another human being.

So, if they don't have cognitive functions, they aren't humans in your opinion?

So what makes the clone different from the human. If it has same dna and structure as a human then it is human. Can it think?

Geofavor:
The thought of having a clone of me makes my stomach rumble. I can't imagine staring at another me. Resident evil comes to mind. My clones would think they are me. They would have my emotions and everything. They wouldn't want to be harvested like a tree bearing fruits -- the same way I wouldn't want it done to me. They will be me.

The immorality is the last thing to even worry about, because this will be chaotic.

Just leave other problems that could arise, lets discuss the moral part of the problem for this thread

Evangkatsoulis:
So what makes the clone different from the human. If it has same dna and structure as a human then it is human. Can it think?

Two options, give your answer for each scenario.

1. It can think

2. It can't think, just a dummy organ grower?

johnydon22:
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johnydon22:
Therefore since they are our creations, we hardly owe them any moral obligation innit?

Our creations in what sense? Are synthesized in a lab or are they made from sperms cells and ova?
Aren't our parents in this sense our creators and thus owe us no moral obligations?