Traditional sharia comes from 3 main sources; Ancient Tafsir(Qur'an Exegesis), Hadith books & formal traditional schools of jurisprudence - Maliki, Hanafi, Shafii, Hanbali, Ja'fari fiqh.

Right to Peaceful coexistence

The sharia government is obliged to militarily invade non-sharia states to enforce sharia and spread Islam.

The Prisoners of war may be subject to slavery. Sharia permits or sustains slavery.

Freedom of Belief & Right to Live

The penalty for apostasy is death. Refusal of a Muslim to perform salat or zakat is also apostasy.

In return for Right to Live under sharia state, Jewish & Christian men must pay periodic tribute.

Atheists, Deists, Pagans, Baha'i's under sharia rule must accept Islam or face execution.

Freedom of Speech & Act

Criticism &/or insult of Islam or Muhammad is blasphemy and bears death penalty.

Endorsement or open practice of any other religion or ideologies like Secularism is banned.

Heterodox interpretations of Islam are banned and Muslim heretics are punishable by death.

Gender Equity & Women's Rights

The inheritance share of Muslim women is limited to half of the men's share.

The testimony of women is worth half of a man, with only few & rare exceptions.

A woman shall not rule a nation or judge in court.

A Muslim woman must cover from hair to toe. Face covering is mandatory or highly advised.

Restitution for manslaughter of a woman is worth half of a man's.

A man may 'lightly' hit his wife for misbehaving.

Girls may be married off even prior menstruation, if they do not protest.

Muslim women are banned from marrying non-Muslim men.

Non-married female slaves must sexually fulfill their masters.

A Muslim wife cannot independently divorce her husband.

Religious Equality & Minority Rights

Restitution for manslaughter of non-Muslim is worth half a Muslim's.

Death penalty is not executable if a Muslim murders a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslim relatives shall not inherit from Muslims, and vice versa.

Non-Muslims shall not erect new temples or openly display their religious symbols.

Non-Muslim men banned from marrying Muslim women.

Criminal Rights

The penalty for theft is amputation. Theft covers items as little as an egg.

The penalty for adultery is death.

The penalty for homosexual acts is death, gay/lesbian marriage banned.

usermane:
Right to Peaceful coexistence

The sharia government is obliged to militarily invade non-sharia states to enforce sharia and spread Islam.

The Prisoners of war may be subject to slavery. Sharia permits or sustains slavery.

God often ordered the Israelites to go to war with other nations (1 Samuel 15:3; Joshua 4:13). God ordered the death penalty for numerous crimes (Exodus 21:12, 15; 22:19; Leviticus 20:11). So, God is not against killing in all circumstances, but only murder. War is never a good thing, but sometimes it is a necessary thing. In a world filled with sinful people (Romans 3:10-18), war is inevitable. Sometimes the only way to keep sinful people from doing great harm to the innocent is by going to war.

In the Old Testament, God ordered the Israelites to “take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). Deuteronomy 20:16-17 declares, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Also, 1 Samuel 15:18 says, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.” Obviously God is not against all war. Jesus is always in perfect agreement with the Father (John 10:30), so we cannot argue that war was only God’s will in the Old Testament. God does not change (Malachi 3:6; James 1:17).

Jesus’ second coming will be exceedingly violent. Revelation 19:11-21 describes the ultimate war with Christ, the conquering commander who judges and makes war “with justice” (v. 11). It’s going to be bloody (v. 13) and gory. The birds will eat the flesh of all those who oppose Him (v. 17-18). He has no compassion upon His enemies, whom He will conquer completely and consign to a “fiery lake of burning sulfur” (v. 20).

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Freedom of Belief & Right to Live

The penalty for apostasy is death. Refusal of a Muslim to perform salat or zakat is also apostasy.

In return for Right to Live under sharia state, Jewish & Christian men must pay periodic tribute.

Atheists, Deists, Pagans, Baha'i's under sharia rule must accept Islam or face execution.

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Also let us look at Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."
This verse was sent to me by Yusif 65; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him: 2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."
Matthew 15:1-9
1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked,
2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"
3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'
5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
6 he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"
There are few points to notice here:
1- Notice in verse 3, Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for breaking the Commands of GOD Almighty.
2- In verse 4, he used the cursing of parents' punishment as an example. The context, however, is not limited to just this example!

3- In verses 7,8 and 9, he used a quote from the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament, to further prove that they are not following the Commands of GOD Almighty.
4- Jesus clearly had a problem with them not following the punishment of death for cursing the parents or any punishment of death that is commanded in the OT for this matter! In fact, Jesus himself said:
"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"

"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3)"


This clearly means:

1- Jesus absolutely approved and commanded the following of the OT's Laws regarding apostates!

2- The fact he commanded death penalty for cursing the parents clearly proves that he also approves of killing apostates as clearly shown in the OT verses above!

Romans 1:20-32 (from the New Testament) "20. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him
as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23. and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
26. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
27. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done.
29. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31. they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

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Freedom of Speech & Act

Criticism &/or insult of Islam or Muhammad is blasphemy and bears death penalty.

Endorsement or open practice of any other religion or ideologies like Secularism is banned.

Heterodox interpretations of Islam are banned and Muslim heretics are punishable by death.

Ephesians 4:29, "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear."

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Gender Equity & Women's Rights

The inheritance share of Muslim women is limited to half of the men's share.

The testimony of women is worth half of a man, with only few & rare exceptions.

A woman shall not rule a nation or judge in court.

A Muslim woman must cover from hair to toe. Face covering is mandatory or highly advised.

Restitution for manslaughter of a woman is worth half of a man's.

enesis 3:16-19
To the woman He said:
"I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you." Then to Adam He said, "Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, "You shall not eat of it":
"Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.

Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.

In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return."
Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
(1 Cor. 14:34; Col.3:18), the primary emphasis of the Bible is on women's subordinate status.

usermane:
A man may 'lightly' hit his wife for misbehaving.

Girls may be married off even prior menstruation, if they do not protest.

Muslim women are banned from marrying non-Muslim men.

Non-married female slaves must sexually fulfill their masters.

A Muslim wife cannot independently divorce her husband.

Haven't you read that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?" So they are no longer two but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate" (Matthew 19:4-6)
Malachi 2:16, TLB. “For the Lord, the God of Israel, says he hates divorce and cruel men. Therefore control your passions—let there be no divorcing of your wives.”

Being married to an unbelieving spouse is not grounds for divorce. It’s in the Bible, 1 Corinthians 7:12-14, TLB. “If a Christian has a wife who is not a Christian, but she wants to stay with him anyway, he must not leave her or divorce her. And if a Christian woman has a husband who isn’t a Christian, and he wants her to stay with him, she must not leave him. For perhaps the husband who isn’t a Christian may become a Christian with the help of his Christian wife. And the wife who isn’t a Christian may become a Christian with the help of her Christian husband. Otherwise, if the family separates, the children might never come to know the Lord; whereas a united family may, in God’s plan, result in the children’s salvation.

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Religious Equality & Minority Rights

Restitution for manslaughter of non-Muslim is worth half a Muslim's.

Death penalty is not executable if a Muslim murders a non-Muslim.

Non-Muslim relatives shall not inherit from Muslims, and vice versa.

Non-Muslims shall not erect new temples or openly display their religious symbols.

Non-Muslim men banned from marrying Muslim women.

Between the Testaments. In the intertestamental period the actual appropriation of this promise seemed remote due to the domination of Persian, Greek, and Roman powers. The reality of the inheritance of the land was deferred to the future and intertestamental literature emphasized the inheritance of eternal life and the world to come. The focus of the promised inheritance was less on national prominence in the present and more on personal participation in the future life with God. This idea was broadened in the rabbinic literature where having an inheritance or share in the world to come was a primary aspiration of the Jews. A notable dichotomy existed between those who would inherit the future world (the redeemed) and those who would not (the condemned). By the time of the New Testament, it was common for a person to ask a rabbi, "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" ( Matt 19:16 ).

The New Testament. The legal-historical milieu of the first century provided an array of inheritance traditions. Jewish, Greco-Hellenistic, and Roman inheritance laws differed greatly in the meaning and implementation of their traditions. However, as in theOld Testament, almost all occurrences of the terms for inheritance in the New Testament are theological ( Luke12:13 ; is the lone exception ).

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Criminal Rights

The penalty for theft is amputation. Theft covers items as little as an egg.

The penalty for adultery is death.

The penalty for homosexual acts is death, gay/lesbian marriage banned.

Exodus 22:3-4 - If the sun be risen upon him, [there shall be] blood [shed] for him; [for] he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Exodus 21:16 - And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death

Exodus 21:24 - Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
EXODUS 22
18 “You must not allow a sorceress to live.

19 “Whoever has sexual intercourse with an animal must be put to death.

20 “Whoever sacrifices to any gods, except the Lord alone, is to be set apart for destruction.

Ah, Ngasky. This is unwarranted. Just because those verses exist in the Bible doesn't justify these sharia laws.

usermane:
Ah, Ngasky. This is unwarranted. Just because those verses exist in the Bible doesn't justify these sharia laws.

So you don't know they exist in the bible before your writeup but you googled up fake translation of Quranic verses?

Ngasky:

So you don't know they exist in the bible before your writeup but you googled up fake translation of Quranic verses?

Usermane is a Muslim. If one is not a Muslim, that does not make him a Christian automatically.

true2god:
Usermane is a Muslim. If one is not a Muslim, that does not make him a Christian automatically.

Did you give him that title?

AryEmber:
Did you give him that title?

Which title?

usermane:
Ah, Ngasky. This is unwarranted. Just because those verses exist in the Bible doesn't justify these sharia laws.

hypocrite!

You quoted from Hadith to justify your hatred for Islam. Why didn't you say this same thing about Islam/Quran/Hadith/fiqh?.

You are damn hypocritical. You show your true color now

Ngasky:

So you don't know they exist in the bible before your writeup but you googled up fake translation of Quranic verses?

he's crazy. He pretends to be muslim in disguise but his action is the exact opposite.

All the Bible verses you quoted are valid till end time. Good job brother. He's upset and frustrated because no muslims paid him no mind. He's alone on his fake ideology. That's why he's frustrated. He is looking for company but he has failed in the last 5years of his fake campaign. This thread really exposed him more.

True2god knows he's a damn joke but he and others play along to make him comfortable.

They know he's fake Muslim.

Empiree:
hypocrite!

You quoted from Hadith to justify your hatred for Islam. Why didn't you say this same thing about Islam/Quran/Hadith/fiqh?.

You are damn hypocritical. You show your true color now

I am confused; I thought 'usermane' is a Muslim. He has been defending Islam on nairaland for over 5 years, what could have gone wrong?

Empiree:


True2god knows he's a damn joke but he and others play along to make him comfortable.

They know he's fake Muslim.

He is not a 'damn joke'; I think he only has a paradigm shift in terms of how he views Islamic religion. I have seen so much shift like this on nairaland. He only 'reviewed' some Islamic beliefs and decided to take a rational view on them. Besides, 'usermane' is 100% entitled to his belief without any form of intimidation and bigotry.

Empiree:
he's crazy. He pretends to be muslim in disguise but his action is the exact opposite.

All the Bible verses you quoted are valid till end time. Good job brother. He's upset and frustrated because no muslims paid him no mind. He's alone on his fake ideology. That's why he's frustrated. He is looking for company but he has failed in the last 5years of his fake campaign. This thread really exposed him more.

True2god knows he's a damn joke but he and others play along to make him comfortable.

They know he's fake Muslim.

Did the True2god guy claim he is now a Muslim?
This is very funny if he did.
I remember him with Analice something always posting against Islam some years ago.
Oh
U mean usermane or something.
I'm sure he is an alternate account of one of those xtain folks.

true2god:
Usermane is a Muslim. If one is not a Muslim, that does not make him a Christian automatically.

Good logic. Obviously those Muslims who drag the Bible into this have no tact. To cite the faults of others when shown your own faults is childish.

Now, look at this young man Sharif Gaber, below. Only 26 years. But he is being persecuted in Egypt for criticizing Islam. They're persecuting him for criticizing Islam, on his own YouTube channel!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNXMBH5mIX0

One of the reasons I have posted these sharia laws breaching human rights is to inform the sincere but ignorant Muslims what sharia really is. Many Muslims support sharia because they've been deceived to believe it grant them rights superior to any other law.

But there is another important reason to expose the dangers of sharia. And that is as sympathy for people that have been victimized due to execution of sharia laws. The amputated thief, the child bride, the jihadists' slave, the robbed heir etc. It is unfair that sharia laws has and continue to harm people while dishonest Muslims rather persist in denial or faulting Christianity.

Alhajiemeritus:

Did the True2god guy claim he is now a Muslim?
This is very funny if he did.
I remember him with Analice something always posting against Islam some years ago.
Oh
U mean usermane or something.
I'm sure he is an alternate account of one of those xtain folks.

I doubt this. I know usermane in Islam section since 2014.

Although he had used other moniker around 2015 few times and he also changed to another one recently. Whatever it is, many Muslims are against his fake manhaj called "Quraniyun".

And at that time in 2015 he was praised by Christians especially true2god, malviguy and ifeann for being "moderate Muslim".

Indeed I remembered the dude called analice and annunaki. Those are another pain in the neck.

The amputated thief

Is in the Qur'an. If he criticizes some Hadith he may be excused. But how about Qur'an?. Is he now rejecting and criticizing this Ayah of Quran in Maida 38 which calls for amputation of thief?.

Is that Hadith or mullah fatwa, too?. Whether amputation is cutting a finger or entire fingers from wrist, amputation is what it is. However that doesn't mean cutting off any thief's hand all the time. There is room for forgiveness. There is room for reviewing financial situation or financial status. And warnings are given before amputation. Amputation is last option.

So tell us now openly that you reject this Ayah of Quran. Sura Maida Ayah 38.

Empiree:
I doubt this. I know usermane in Islam section since 2014.

Although he had used other moniker around 2015 few times and he also changed to another one recently. Whatever it is, many Muslims are against his fake manhaj called "Quraniyun".

And at that time in 2015 he was praised by Christians especially true2god, malviguy and ifeann for being "moderate Muslim".

Indeed I remembered the dude called analice and annunaki. Those are another pain in the neck.

I don't think you need dwell much on 'usermane' but on the issue at hand. The topic is not about any person and all man has every right to his belief.

true2god:
I don't think you need dwell much on 'usermane' but on the issue at hand. The topic is not about any person and all man has every right to his belief.

why do you think I should waste my time on him and you when in fact, you have the very same things, similar or worst than us?. For as long as you have those verses of the Bible quoted by the brother up there, they remain valid. U have shamelessly abandoned them for secular laws. So I wonder why you claimed to follow Jesus.


How many Muslims practice everything he mentioned? Because that's what he said about Bible. He said those passages are there but doesn't mean they practice or follow them.

√ So how many Muslims involve in child marriage?

√ How many Muslims have you seen amputated hands of thieves ?.

√ How many muslims have you seen stoned people for adultery?.


Until you follow and practice these rules in your Bible i will not put myself in defensive mode.

Speaking about man's right to his believe, is it not media houses headed by Christians that propagate when it comes to Islam and muslims?. When pastor's daughters married muslims or converted to Islam where was the media when pastor outraged?. The recent one where pastor's daughter got pregnant for Muslim, pastor secretly aborted her pregnancy, took her phone away from communicating with the guy and locked her up in the house. If this is Muslim family what do you think media would say?.

You all need to stop deceiving yourselves. I'm not supporter of anyone threatening apostates just for living religion. They have that right.

The so called human rights is boosh!t and double standards. They are concerned about others' rights where it suits them. For example, they bombed historical Christian churches in Iraq and Syria through their funded terror!sts.... No solidarity whatsoever. But when Notre Dame engulfed by fire in France they mourned. Or the rights of Muslim students they frustrated in Nigeria over hijab?. Don't they have the right to wear hijab?. Even in Western world there is no issues on hijab in schools or at work. They are selective about human rights.

Another example of what I'm talking about. I just got this message on WhatsApp.

Assume the Christian guy is Muslim what would media say by now. Hell would loose online. You hear 'Islamabad'. "Pedophile prophet'etc

Anyways, we don't need this right now. We just need to get him help. Anyone?

Empiree:
why do you think I should waste my time on him and you when I'm fact you have the very same things, similar or worst than us?. For as long as you have those verses of the Bible quoted by the brother up there, they remain valid. U have shamelessly abandoned them for secular laws. So I wonder why you claimed to follow Jesus.


How many Muslims practice everything he mentioned? Because that's what he said about Bible. He said those passages are there but doesn't mean they practice or follow them.

So for many Muslims involve in child marriage?

How many Muslims have you seen amputated hands of thieves ?. How many muslims have you seen stoned people for adultery?. Until you follow and practice these rules in your Bible i will not put myself in defensive mode.

Speaking about man's right to his believe, is it not media houses headed by Christians that propagate when it comes to Islam and muslims?. When pastor's daughters marry muslims or converted to CHRISTIANITY where was the media?. The recent one where pastor daughter got pregnant for Muslim, pastor sectrely aborted her pregnancy, took her phone away from communicating with the guy and locked her up in the house. If this is Muslim family what do you think media would say?.

You all need to stop deceiving yourselves. I'm not supporter of anyone threatening apostates just for living religion. They have that right.

The so called human rights is boosh!t and double standards. They are concerned about others' rights where it suits them. For example, they bombed historical Christian churches in Iraq and Syria through their funded terror!sts.... No solidarity whatsoever. But when Notre Dame engulfed by fire n France they mourned. Or the rights of Muslim students they frustrated in Nigeria over hijab?. Don't they have the right to wear hijab?. Even in Western world there is no issues on hijab in schools or at work. They are selective about human rights.

You guys always try to drag Christianity into an argument that seems embarrassing to Islam. The topic is '25 sharia law breaching human right' and the person that opened the thread is still a Muslim, why drag Christianity into the matter?

The last time I checked, Saudi Arabia still kills/imprisons apostates, behead people in the public, cut hands of petty thieves (while the Saudi princes steal and launder billions of dollars abroad). These are sunnah of the proohet; they are simply following the ways of the prophet.

Millions of Muslims still engage in child marriage. Northern Nigeria has one of the highest incidence of child marriages in the world because the believed Mohammed did it hence find justification in doing that from the prophet.

On people's right to their belief, the corrupt western media (BBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc) spend all their energies attacking the Catholic church while shielding Islam. Most of the media houses in the US and Europe are subsidized by the Saudi and Qatari government to protect the image of Islam.

And FYA, I am against western military intervention in the Arab world. The point is that both the Western world and the Arab world are bad in terms of oppressing the weak. The Islamic caliphate will do the worst if they are in the position of the Christian west (the Christian west is also evil).

And for the hijab, every institution has a dress code but the Muslims have politicize the hijab worldwide; it is now not only a religious symbol, but also a political symbol. The Iranian and the Saudi government will jail any woman, according to the sharia law, who doesn't wear the hijab. You don't politicize and Arabian cultural outfit, that mental slavery and stupidity. In abuja, you are likely to get a better service in the ministry once you wear the hijab; the belief is that there is a high tendency that you are either an Hausa or Fulani lady.

On a final note, the world is like a jungle where lions eat/oppress all the weak animals.

true2god:
You guys always try to drag Christianity into an argument that seems embarrassing to Islam. The topic is '25 sharia law breaching human right' and the person that opened the thread is still a Muslim, why drag Christianity into the matter?

ask him if he is muslim?.

The last time I checked, Saudi Arabia still kills/imprisons apostates, behead people in the public, cut hands of petty thieves (while the Saudi princes steal and launder billions of dollars abroad). These are sunnah of the proohet; they are simply following the ways of the prophet.

what's the fuse here?. Many muslims were arrested and jailed in the West. They always suspect them of doing something. Go back to at least 10yrs ago and read Democracy Now, Aaroson, the author of fbi entrapment and many more. Or a Muslim family jailed for life for his charity work under Bush administration. Muslim father and son jailed for sending money overseas and the list is very very long. They specifically targetted muslim community.

Millions of Muslims still engage in child marriage. Northern Nigeria has one of the highest incidence of child marriages in the world because the believed Mohammed did it hence find justification in doing that from the prophet.

where did you get your statistic from?. "Millions". That's heck of a lot. In that case every Muslim household must have someone married to a child. And who told you south east Nigeria don't have the same tradition?. You don't read news, abi? Is it okay then to accuse all CHRISTIANs for the barbaric action of Catholics for defiling boys and "pedophilism"

On people's right to their belief, the corrupt western media (BBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc) spend all their energies attacking the Catholic church while shielding Islam. Most of the media houses in the US and Europe are subsidized by the Saudi and Qatari government to protect the image of Islam.

you really don't know how to lie?. These outlets that spent their time post 9/11 tarnishing Islam?. Try harder.

And FYA, I am against western military intervention in the Arab world. The point is that both the Western world and the Arab world are bad in terms of oppressing the weak. The Islamic caliphate will do the worst if they are in the position of the Christian west (the Christian west is also evil).

No. It is not Western military. It is Judeo CHRISTIAN military invasion of muslim lands.

And for the hijab, every institution has a dress code but the Muslims have politicize the hijab worldwide; it is now not only a religious symbol, but also a political symbol. The Iranian and the Saudi government will jail any woman, according to the sharia law, who doesn't wear the hijab. You don't politicize and Arabian cultural outfit, that mental slavery and stupidity. In abuja, you are likely to get a better service in the ministry once you wear the hijab; the belief is that there is a high tendency that you are either an Hausa or Fulani lady

and Beret enforced in girls in school, what does that signifies?. It is the same beret used in CHRISTIAN churches enforced on Nigerian schools by CHRISTIAN British. It is the same beret used by British army. A sign of political CHRISTIAN crusaders.

Empiree:
ask him if he is muslim?.

'usermane' identified as a Muslim and I have no reason/evidence to believe otherwise.

Empiree:
what's the fuse here?. Many muslims were arrested and jailed in the West. They always suspect them of doing something. Go back to at least 10yrs ago and read Democracy Now, Aaroson, the author of fbi entrapment and many more. Or a Muslim family jailed for life for his charity work under Bush administration. Muslim father and son jailed for sending money overseas and the list is very very long. They specifically targetted muslim community.

What's the relationship between the atrocities the Saudi government is committing against religious minorities, in the name of religion/sharia, and the activities of the western power? I highlighted the ills in sharia and you drag the west into it, I can;t get how you guys reason at times.

Empiree:
where did you get your statistic from?. "Millions". That's heck of a lot. In that case every Muslim household must have someone married to a child. And who told you south east Nigeria don't have the same tradition?. You don't read news, abi? Is it okay then to accuse all CHRISTIANs for the barbaric action of Catholics for defiling boys and "pedophilism"

You come again; blame others to deflect the argument. The fact remains that child marriage is ingrained in Islamic culture and the adherents are doing their best to follow the way of the prophet. I used northern Nigeria as a case study because you are likely a Nigerian and would most likely be familiar with Hausa and Fulani culture.

Empiree:
you really don't know how to lie?. These outlets that spent their time post 9/11 tarnishing Islam?. Try harder.

Muslims are protected 'species' in the west while Christians are endangered 'species' in the Arab/Muslim world. This is a known fact. Muslims are allowed to migrate, en mass, to the infidel west while christian can never migrate the ummah Arab/Muslim world (except to dubai for picnic) . And you know what, alomost all the western media encourage Muslim migration to the west as part of what they call 'multiculturalism' or 'cultural enrichment'. When the New Zealand terror attack happened, Obama, Hillary Clinton, etc call it 'attack against Muslim worshipers' but when the Sri Lanka Islamic terror occured, Obama and Hillary Clinton called it 'Easter Worshipers' attack. Can you see how the refused to name the victims as Christians while the quickly identified the victims in the New Zealand attacks as 'Muslims'?

Empiree:
No. It is not Western military. It is Judeo CHRISTIAN military invasion of muslim lands.

Ok, it is a Judeo CHRISTIAN military invasion of Muslim lands. The Ottoman also invaded Judeo Christian lands at the height of their military might. The rightly guided khalif did the same. As I said earlier, the world is a jungle and the lions will continue preying on weaker animals.

Empiree:
and Beret enforced in girls in school, what does that signifies?. It is the same beret used in CHRISTIAN churches enforced on Nigerian schools by CHRISTIAN British. It is the same beret used by British army. A sign of political CHRISTIAN crusaders.

The beret is never a religious symbol, unlike the hijab. Stop dragging issues that are not necessary.

true2god:
'usermane' identified as a Muslim and I have no reason/evidence to believe otherwise.

no. I told you to ask him but you didn't. We used to ask him if he's muslim but he would give mixed answer. Sometimes he would say he's Muslim. At times he would tell us he's not. He would say he's a "believer" because he doesn't want to identify with Muslims. This is sign of hypocrite.

What's the relationship between the atrocities the Saudi government is committing against religious minorities, in the name of religion/sharia, and the activities of the western power? I highlighted the ills in sharia and you drag the west into it, I can;t get how you guys reason at times.

which religious minority?. Jews?. CHRISTIANs? It Yemeni Shia?. If it is Jews and CHRISTIANS any evidence of Saudi bombing them?. If it is Yemen then that's our business not yours. We will sort that out amongst us. Saudi it's wrong and at the same time Saudi is supplied weapons by Judeo CHRISTIAN West to kill fellow Muslims. And the 'ill' in Sharia you talked about, Sharia is not institutionalized by your standard of thinking. So you have no right to speak on Sharia. If you think you have the right them we will question your religion never it is not free from what you blame Sharia for. And point of correction. It is not activities btw Saudi and the West. It is activities btw Saudi and Judeo CHRISTIAN world. Trump has Christianized America. He has America was founded in Christian principles. So don't play smart.

You come again; blame others to deflect the argument. The fact remains that child marriage is ingrained in Islamic culture and the adherents are doing their best to follow the way of the prophet. I used northern Nigeria as a case study because you are likely a Nigerian and would most likely be familiar with Hausa and Fulani culture.

northern Nigeria is more of culture thing. Which means northern CHRISTIANs most likely indulge in it. Give us formal statistic of Muslims in child marriage?. Northerners are known for "marrying" their children prepubescent and then wait until they are matured. That's what I knew about them for long.

Muslims are protected 'species' in the west while Christians are endangered 'species' in the Arab/Muslim world. This is a known fact. Muslims are allowed to migrate, en mass, to the infidel west while christian can never migrate the ummah Arab/Muslim world (except to dubai for picnic) . And you know what, alomost all the western media encourage Muslim migration to the west as part of what they call 'multiculturalism' or 'cultural enrichment'. When the New Zealand terror attack happened, Obama, Hillary Clinton, etc call it 'attack against Muslim worshipers' but when the Sri Lanka Islamic terror occured, Obama and Hillary Clinton called it 'Easter Worshipers' attack. Can you see how the refused to name the victims as Christians while the quickly identified the victims in the New Zealand attacks as 'Muslims'?

reason they migrate to the West is because Judeo Christian bombed their land and took their resources to force them out. And this is not Muslims only but "people of color". No one stops you from applying for US Visa.

Ok, it is a Judeo CHRISTIAN military invasion of Muslim lands. The Ottoman also invaded Judeo Christian lands at the height of their military might. The rightly guided khalif did the same. As I said earlier, the world is a jungle and the lions will continue preying on weaker animals

we now live in the present. You are the one currently terrorizing the world and finding terrorists disguise as Muslims. Your trademarks are in everything. It is no longer news that Judeo Christian world funded alkaida and isis. They are the ones breaking up countries and over throwing governments.

The beret is never a religious symbol, unlike the hijab. Stop dragging issues that are not necessary.

Beret is British Christian monopoly symbol which was enforced on others

Empiree:
no. I told you to ask him but you didn't. We used to ask him if he's muslim but he would give mixed answer. Sometimes he would say he's Muslim. At times he would tell us he's not. He would say he's a "believer" because he doesn't want to identify with Muslims. This is sign of hypocrite.

If the guy identify himself as a Muslim, why the doubt from you? You may not like his brand of Islam or him being critical of certain Islamic beliefs but take his words as it is with respect to his religious affiliation.

Empiree:
which religious minority?. Jews?. CHRISTIANs? It Yemeni Shia?. If it is Jews and CHRISTIANS any evidence of Saudi bombing them?. If it is Yemen then that's our business not yours. We will sort that out amongst us. Saudi it's wrong and at the same time Saudi is supplied weapons by Judeo CHRISTIAN West to kill fellow Muslims. And the 'ill' in Sharia you talked about, Sharia is not institutionalized by your standard of thinking. So you have no right to speak on Sharia. If you think you have the right them we will question your religion never it is not free from what you blame Sharia for. And point of correction. It is not activities btw Saudi and the West. It is activities btw Saudi and Judeo CHRISTIAN world. Trump has Christianized America. He has America was founded in Christian principles. So don't play smart.

Obama said and I quote: 'America is no longer a christian nation'. Obama also said: 'Islam has always been part of the US'. Using Obama as a yardstick for Islamic thought, Muslims always choose to render the west anything they deem fit based on circumstances and event. The president of Turkey, Tayyip Edorgan, said that the US was founded my Muslims and that the Christians in the US are late comers and settler, who do I believe? Obama, Edorgan or you? On the saudi killings in Yemen, please dont blame the west. The sauidis are buying weapons they don't need and no one forces them to buy. The Saudis already has religious and political leverage over hundreds of millions of Muslims; they dont need to spend billions of dollars on US weapon to get their security. And if they kill Yemenis with a US-made weapon, don't blame the US but the Saudis for the sufferings of the Yemeni people. And remember, Iran is also armed by the Russians and these weapons are being used in Yemen to, against the saudi-backed regime.

Empiree:
northern Nigeria is more of culture thing. Which means northern CHRISTIANs most likely indulge in it. Give us formal statistic of Muslims in child marriage?. Northerners are known for "marrying" their children prepubescent and then wait until they are matured. That's what I knew about them for long.

It is first a religious thing which has also turned a cultural thing. In Kano, girls as young as 13 already have 2 children for older men, and remember the story of baby Aisha and Mohammed.

Empiree:
reason they migrate to the West is because Judeo Christian bombed their land and took their resources to force them out. And this is not Muslims only but "people of color". No one stops you from applying for US Visa.

Almost all the Arab world are migrating to the US and Europe. You cant convince me that all the Muslim world are in crisis; hijra is a religious duty in Islam. Remember the exodus of Mohammed from mecca to Medina; the migration of the fulanis to the hausalands. The pattern remain the same with or without conflict.

Empiree:
we now live in the present. You are the one currently terrorizing the world and finding terrorists disguise as Muslims. Your trademarks are in everything. It is no longer news that Judeo Christian world funded alkaida and isis. They are the ones breaking up countries and over throwing governments.

Oppression, unfotunatley, is part of human nature. If God shift power to the Muslim world, they will also oppress the kafir. The Muslims/Arabs had done it before and will do it again if they have the opportunity.

Empiree:
Beret is British Christian monopoly symbol which was enforced on others

Provide the Bible verse to support your claim.

true2god:
If the guy identify himself as a Muslim, why the doubt from you? You may not like his brand of Islam or him being critical of certain Islamic beliefs but take his words as it is with respect to his religious affiliation.

If someone says he is christian but does the exact opposite, what do you call the person?.

Obama said and I quote: 'America is no longer a christian nation'. Obama also said: 'Islam has always been part of the US'. Using Obama as a yardstick for Islamic thought, Muslims always choose to render the west anything they deem fit based on circumstances and event. The president of Turkey, Tayyip Edorgan, said that the US was founded my Muslims and that the Christians in the US are late comers and settler, who do I believe? Obama, Edorgan or you?

This means nothing to me and not even related here. They can say whatever they want. The fact is, America is a christian nation confirmed by present president Trump and many American conservative. As for American conservative talk show host, Michael Savage, he said America was built on Judeo/Christian value. However, you will hear more Americans who are free thinkers or not affiliated with any religion tell you how they hate or don't want to hear about religion especially christianity. This has been war of word between Michael Savage and many political and religious contributors on his show. These people would say America is built on democracy and freedom. In any case, fact remains that most or all American presidents from day 1 till this moment and the senate and Rep had always been Jews, christians or non religious affiliation. So by official statistic, America is Judeo christian nation whether they are practicing or not. Whether they use Bible or Torah or not. The reason they have lots of excuses is bcuz of separation of church and state. But when they distribute charity, they do so on christian cause which widely known today as RED CROSS

On the saudi killings in Yemen, please dont blame the west. The sauidis are buying weapons they don't need and no one forces them to buy. The Saudis already has religious and political leverage over hundreds of millions of Muslims; they dont need to spend billions of dollars on US weapon to get their security. And if they kill Yemenis with a US-made weapon, don't blame the US but the Saudis for the sufferings of the Yemeni people. And remember, Iran is also armed by the Russians and these weapons are being used in Yemen to, against the saudi-backed regime.

Nothin concerns me about West on Yemen even i know for a fact they have stuff to do with it. Saudi is very guilty 100%. We hold them accountable.

It is first a religious thing which has also turned a cultural thing. In Kano, girls as young as 13 already have 2 children for older men, and remember the story of baby Aisha and Mohammed.

Honestly you need to live int he West or at least get yourself acquinted with their social affairs. Young girls as young as 11,12,13 either selling body or have boyfriends. No marriage. nothing but they having babies which these young guys would reject or there is always partternity question bcus a young girl sleeps around with multiple boys. This is what islam tries to protect. Do yourself a favor by subscribing to "Paternity Court" on Youtube and watch as much as you can. You will see disgusting social and reckless sexual behaviour of American girls. Assume this is your daughter fvking arounf with multiple boys and some even sleep with grown men. Which do you prefer?. Marry older men or have your daughter fvk around?. Be sincere to yourself bcuz, obviously you can not possibly control the girl in the West. SHe will tell you she has her life to live. So choose btw the two. The people condemning so called child marriage are very nasty in their own countries. Again remember these girl have babies without father for two reasons: either the father who is also a tiny tot is not ready for responsibilities or simply deny paternity.This is the reality. So people need to stop bringing up "child marriage" when they have nasty sexual behaviors. When they stop this then , only then they have the right to criticize child marriage.

Almost all the Arab world are migrating to the US and Europe. You cant convince me that all the Muslim world are in crisis; hijra is a religious duty in Islam. Remember the exodus of Mohammed from mecca to Medina; the migration of the fulanis to the hausalands. The pattern remain the same with or without conflict.

And?. Other raise and religions also migrate. So what's the fuse?. Their leadership have compromise when it comes to Arabs the same way other 3rd world nations have compromised.

Oppression, unfotunatley, is part of human nature. If God shift power to the Muslim world, they will also oppress the kafir. The Muslims/Arabs had done it before and will do it again if they have the opportunity.

Nope, there is more enlightenment in this day and age. Yet judeo christian world still oppress people. Palestine comes to mind. You can not prejudge that muslims will do it again. You are the one holding power now and we see through what you are doing.


Provide the Bible verse to support your claim.[/quote] Green Beret to Christian Discipleship

We all are behind enemy lines. A-teams are trained and well-armed with the finest in weaponry
and battlefield protection. Christians should also be according to Paul in; Ephsians6.10 Finally, be
strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God that you
may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. Then Paul tells us what the armor consist
of and how it helps: Ephsians6.13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14 Stand therefore, having fastened
on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and, as shoes for your
feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances take up the
shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17 and take the
helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18 praying at all times
in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance. Keep
alert with all perseverance could be the words spoken by a leader of a Green Beret A-team
before going on a mission.


Green Beret Team Is a military wing of christian disciples


This is the Biblical definition of a disciple; 2Timothy2
and what you have heard from me in the
presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3
Share
in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits,
since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. A disciple is someone that learns and then
goes and teaches others to teach and they to become a disciple making disciples (force
multipliers). I want you to notice that God is even using military language; “soldier” in these
verses. Every Green Beret is a volunteer; and each of my fellow Green Berets would recognize
this language as coming from one of their own.

http://www.forthefathersministry.org/images/uploads/MasterGreen_Beret_Discipleship.pdf





And now, I just got this updated info attached. As long as those people exist CHRISTIANITY will always be implicated because your CHRISTIAN politicians' hands are unclean

Empiree:
If someone says he is christian but does the exact opposite, what do you call the person?.

God has not appointed me a judge over my fellow human being, especially with respect to religious matter. Religious belief is subjective, usually a function of ones upbringing and/or environment.

Empiree:
This means nothing to me and not even related here. They can say whatever they want. The fact is, America is a christian nation confirmed by present president Trump and many American conservative. As for American conservative talk show host, Michael Savage, he said America was built on Judeo/Christian value. However, you will hear more Americans who are free thinkers or not affiliated with any religion tell you how they hate or don't want to hear about religion especially christianity. This has been war of word between Michael Savage and many political and religious contributors on his show. These people would say America is built on democracy and freedom. In any case, fact remains that most or all American presidents from day 1 till this moment and the senate and Rep had always been Jews, christians or non religious affiliation. So by official statistic, America is Judeo christian nation whether they are practicing or not. Whether they use Bible or Torah or not. The reason they have lots of excuses is bcuz of separation of church and state. But when they distribute charity, they do so on christian cause which widely known today as RED CROSSWell, Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton will not agree with you. These people are currently the leaders in the DNC. I have watched my anti-christian programs on CNN and BBC. If US is a christian nation, the media establishment will respect Christianity but the opposite is true. I have watched Obama trashed Christianity and praised Islam many time (you can see these on YouTube), the same with Hillary Clinton. The US, as at today, is no more a 'christian' nation, according to the two politicians I listed. They know what both of us do not know before making that assertion. The US is a secure state built on the Judeo-christian principle which they have destroyed, immediatley after WW2, through liberalism, multi-multiculturalism and the so-called freedom (to do whatever you like).



[quote author=Empiree post=77793146]Nothin concerns me about West on Yemen even i know for a fact they have stuff to do with it. Saudi is very guilty 100%. We hold them accountable.

Thank God you know that the Saudi are culpable in the destruction of Yemen.

Empiree:
Honestly you need to live int he West or at least get yourself acquinted with their social affairs. Young girls as young as 11,12,13 either selling body or have boyfriends. No marriage. nothing but they having babies which these young guys would reject or there is always partternity question bcus a young girl sleeps around with multiple boys. This is what islam tries to protect. Do yourself a favor by subscribing to "Paternity Court" on Youtube and watch as much as you can. You will see disgusting social and reckless sexual behaviour of American girls. Assume this is your daughter fvking arounf with multiple boys and some even sleep with grown men. Which do you prefer?. Marry older men or have your daughter fvk around?. Be sincere to yourself bcuz, obviously you can not possibly control the girl in the West. SHe will tell you she has her life to live. So choose btw the two. The people condemning so called child marriage are very nasty in their own countries. Again remember these girl have babies without father for two reasons: either the father who is also a tiny tot is not ready for responsibilities or simply deny paternity.This is the reality. So people need to stop bringing up "child marriage" when they have nasty sexual behaviors. When they stop this then , only then they have the right to criticize child marriage.

I have over 150 videos of Judge Lauren Lake's paternity court cases on my system and I am almost addicted to her 'show'. I download at least 1 episode daily (at times 4 to 5 videos). The US is currently one of the most immoral nations on earth, by my own judgement. All forms or immorality (Homosexuality, Lesbianism, 'Transgenderism', 'Bi-sexualism', 'Beatialism', etc is sanctioned/protected by the state. These are signs of society and empire in decay. Any nation that has reached the pinnacle of her power, and about to be destroyed, will witness all these things. When the Ottoman was about to fall, they left their moral and just Islamic principle and started importing sex slaves, chattel slaves, homosexuality, etc hence the wrath of the gods came upon them and power was taken from them and given to the christian west. Now the christian west is 500% worst than the Ottoman, and from my subjective perspective, their downfall is imminent. That's how empire rise and fall; arrogance and immorality would take root.

Empiree:
And?. Other raise and religions also migrate. So what's the fuse?. Their leadership have compromise when it comes to Arabs the same way other 3rd world nations have compromised.

The people that put their countries in order will not migrate to another man's land en-mass. Over 80% of international migrants are from Muslim nations to non-Muslim nations. Muslim countries must put their countries in order to avoid their youth moving out of their countries.

Empiree:
Nope, there is more enlightenment in this day and age. Yet judeo christian world still oppress people. Palestine comes to mind. You can not prejudge that muslims will do it again. You are the one holding power now and we see through what you are doing.

Enlightenment does not stop oppression of the weak by the strong. Some Phd holders, despite their level of education, still oppress undergraduates. It is part and parcel of human nature. Even here in Nigeria, some tribes are oppressing other tribes with impunity, despite their religious zeal (let me stop here; I don't want us to talk politics).

Empiree:
Green Beret to Christian Discipleship

We all are behind enemy lines. A-teams are trained and well-armed with the finest in weaponry
and battlefield protection. Christians should also be according to Paul in; Ephsians6.10 Finally, be
strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God that you
may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. Then Paul tells us what the armor consist
of and how it helps: Ephsians6.13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God that you may be able to
withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. 14 Stand therefore, having fastened
on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and, as shoes for your
feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. 16 In all circumstances take up the
shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; 17 and take the
helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, 18 praying at all times
in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance. Keep
alert with all perseverance could be the words spoken by a leader of a Green Beret A-team
before going on a mission.


Green Beret Team Is a military wing of christian disciples


This is the Biblical definition of a disciple; 2Timothy2
and what you have heard from me in the
presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3
Share
in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits,
since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. A disciple is someone that learns and then
goes and teaches others to teach and they to become a disciple making disciples (force
multipliers). I want you to notice that God is even using military language; “soldier” in these
verses. Every Green Beret is a volunteer; and each of my fellow Green Berets would recognize
this language as coming from one of their own.

http://www.forthefathersministry.org/images/uploads/MasterGreen_Beret_Discipleship.pdf





And now, I just got this updated info attached. As long as those people exist CHRISTIANITY will always be implicated because your CHRISTIAN politicians' hands are unclean

You never provided any religious justification for the Green Beret. You need to separate the British culture from christian beliefs. You can as well tell me that Jacket and trouser is a 'christian' dressing.