vescucci:

Unfortunately, if I perceive our collective dispositions on this matter correctly, this won't be fun. What's the use of a buncha buzus who agree with each other? Go ye forth and find a dissenter

Deep Sight:



I do not entirely discountenance the possibility of a global deluge. There are three reasons for this -

1. Sea shells have been found on mountain tops. It is not inconceivable that in an era gone by, the sea level was simply much higher than it is today.

Deep Sight:

^^^ That is very well known. Like I did say, we cannot know for sure if there was ever a global flood. What I did mention are mere posers and the possibility you mentioned, whilst legitimate does not operate to rule out other possibilities, or does it?

mazaje:

There is no science that can explain a global flood of that magnitude, for example where did all the water come from and where did it all go to?. . . . .

A flood that will cover the entire earth including all the mountain tops is impossible in reality unless in stories. . . . . .

An "ice age" or, more precisely, "glacial age" is a generic geological period of long-term reduction in the temperature of the Earth's surface and atmosphere, resulting in the presence or expansion of continental ice sheets, polar ice sheets and alpine glaciers. Within a long-term ice age, individual pulses of extra cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or alternatively "glacials" or "glaciations", and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials". Glaciologically, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in the northern and southern hemispheres;[1] by this definition we are still in the ice age that began at the start of the Pleistocene (because the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets still exist).[2]
More colloquially, "the ice age" refers to the most recent colder period that peaked at the Last Glacial Maximum approximately 20,000 years ago, in which extensive ice sheets lay over large parts of the North American and Eurasian continents. This article will use the term ice age in the former, glaciological, sense: glacials' for colder periods during ice ages and interglacials for the warmer periods.

@ mazaje (answer to your question) >>> to start afresh with humanity >>> but there is an insight i would like to give
                >>> when i read passages like that especially on the dilemma of God's holiness & mans sinfulness >>> i view it through the mirror of 
                _submetaphorically_a child's (me) relationship to his father.
                >>> a parent has his plan & purpose or vision of his ideal child but this is oft not in tandem with that of the child's this causes an 
                impasse, which eventually becomes more pronounced during the child's teen years >>> the child 'sins' in that he strays from his father's ideals 
                but no matter how harsh the parent/child acts, feels or behaves the love for one's parent/child is still there. In my case i never thought i really
                loved my Dad till he came down with a partial stroke >>> then, i realized that i cared for him >>> more than i wished to admit

                i could go into more (personal) details >>> using examples from my own life but my above 'metaphor' should suffice

                bringing it back to the case of Noah >>> (i recall that coincidentally, i was reading the passage early this morning) >>> it should dawn that the killings
                & wiping out of whole tribes as it were didn't mean God love them less >>> to be candid, i myself don't understand the reason for some of His killings
                but then >>> what can I say >>> did i even make or will myself into existence >>> in the song by Dido >> my life (as it were) is for rent

                DISCLAIMER >>> if u think i'm trying to play an emotional beseech>>> as Matt Dillahaunty (on Atheist Experience talks about) >>>
                                    >>> u are seriously mistaken   >>> i simply made my answer & expatiation on it as factual & down-to-earth as possible

vescucci:

Kai. I'm sorry I just gotta ask. Do you believe in the genealogy from Adam to Christ as depicted in the bible literally?

The Devil begat darkness; darkness begat ignorance; ignorance begat error and his brethren; error begat free- will and presumption; free-will begat works; works begat forgetfulness of God; forgetfulness begat transgression; transgression begat superstition; superstition begat satisfaction; satisfaction begat the mass-offering; the mass-offering begat the priest; the priest begat unbelief; unbelief begat hypocrisy; hypocrisy begat traffic in offerings for gain; traffic in offerings for gain begat Purgatory; Purgatory begat the annual solemn vigils; the annual vigils begat church-livings; church-livings begat avarice; avarice begat swelling superfluity; swelling superfluity begat fulness; fulness begat rage; rage begat license; license begat empire and domination; domination begat pomp; pomp begat ambition; ambition begat simony; simony begat the pope and his brethren, about the time of the Babylonish captivity.

InesQor:

@vescucci : You should be clear, bro. Which of the genealogies? The fact that they are not both equal should tell you something.

Here's a quote by Martin Luther
I hope you see the point. The ancient word "begat" does not necessarily mean a direct parenthood.

Etmyology: Begat:
bef. 1000; ME begeten ( see be-, get); r. ME biyeten, OE begetan; c. Goth bigitan, OHG bigezzan
Meaning: occasion, engender, effect, generate.

Adam GENERATED the seed after him, leading through paths to David, who GENERATED the seed after him. . . etc etc

It describes descendants of Adam, and links Christ through the generations, showing how God chose select people to line up and produce the Messiah. I believe (as Jewish tradition too has shown) there are some members (though in the minority by number) who were listed in the genealogy but were RELATED to the genealogy and were not necessarily direct ascendants or ancestors.

Maybe I am wrong, but this is what I believe.

Thanks

I believe (as Jewish tradition too has shown) there are some members ([size=28pt]though in the minority by number[/size])