Jesus is the son of
A)Mary
B)God
C)Mary & God
D)None of the Above

firdaus4us:

Jesus is the son of,
A)Mary
B)God
C)Mary & God
D)None of the Above

I can't laugh enough! Is this how desperate you guys have become? If you're looking for only one narrow answer, what did the Qur'an tell you?

i will answer that when you tell me whose son adam was?

stupid question,ABSOLUTE NONSENCE.

Olutomiwa,
its fine; every one is free to ask questions as long as they are prepared to learn.

me, i stopped taking seriously things people used to say on purpose to wind me up about my faith. what ever they say never changes my heart or what i believe. i am prepared to learn from EVERY religion but i am not prepared to give up mine! simple as.

if people burn crosses and churches from now till next year, how the heck does that change what i belief!

that is the extreme but you get the point being made!

Peace!

Even if we try to educate you, you would not understand. So why bother ask? You guys have really become desperate about this thing! Your Quaran mentions Jesus Christ as Anabi Isa, whose son does it say he is? You are free to your belief; why bring up stupid, senseless questions that only tell how ignorant you are. You are entitled to your beliefs but learn to respect other people's and stop diturbing your brain with what is above and beyond your feeble mind. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why don't we see what Jesus says of himself as he spoke to Nicodemus.

Jhn 3:12   "If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

Jhn 3:13   "No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[fn1]

Jhn 3:14   "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

Jhn 3:15   "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[fn2] have eternal life.

Jhn 3:16   "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17   "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Jhn 3:18   "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

@stimulus
Do you mean this question is too narrow?
Let me expand it a little!

Jesus is the son of
A)Man
A)Mary
B)God
C)All of the above
D)None of the Above

Also, what did Quran tell you           ?Pls fill the gap!

@thesilent1
There is no argument whatsoever about the origin of Adam.
Adam has neither father nor Mother.  Any contrary opinion?

@olutomiwa
Don't be disturbed? Do you mean calling Jesus son of                IS ABSOLUTE NONSENSE?

what his own disciple,Simon Peter said of him.

Jhn 6:68   But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
Jhn 6:69   "Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."[fn9]

well, he must have come from somwhere?

but to answer your question, jesus is the son of Mary. just like i am the son of my mother. where the seed came from is a different story (see my dad for that! LOL)

In the beginning (before Adan was) was the Word (Jesus Christ), Bro! you will not understand. Finito!

even the devil knew who he was.


.Luk 4:41   And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, "You are the Christ,[fn13] the Son of God!" And He, rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.

@ babyosisi
Speak on speaker!

tell them the truth if only they would listen!

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:

@stimulus
Do you mean this question is too narrow?
Let me expand it a little!

See:

stimulus:

If you're looking for only one narrow answer, what did the Qur'an tell you?

You see why one wonders if you can understand yourself? My query was that you were looking for narrow answers; and then you came back asking if your question was narrow??

Right, I know sometimes English is hard for some of your folks (e hard for me when I dey study for higher exams!). Even so, can you please tell us what you're seeking - an answer that is in the Bible, or the reconstructed tales that you've already set your mind to believe?

You don big pass this! You and your bros should calm down instead of letting your eyes grow red in desperate reaction to the exposure you're both receiving.

Shalom.

Ladies N genz, this is an article from a sister who Allah guided to light read on.


1) None of the Bible’s Writers Believed That Jesus is God:
Christians and Muslims both believe in Jesus, love him, and honor him. They are, however, divided over the question of his divinity.
Fortunately, this difference can be resolved if we refer the question to both the Bible and the Quran, because, both the Bible and the Quran teach that Jesus is not God.
It is clear enough to everyone that the Quran denies the divinity of Jesus, so we do not need to spend much time explaining that.
On the other hand, many people misunderstand the Bible; they feel that the belief in Jesus as God is so widespread that it must have come from the Bible. This article shows quite conclusively that the Bible does not teach that.
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is not God. In the Bible God is always someone else other than Jesus.
Some will say that something Jesus said or something he did while on the earth proves that he is God. We will show that the disciples never came to the conclusion that Jesus is God. And those are people who lived and walked with Jesus and thus knew first hand what he said and did. Furthermore, we are told in the Acts of the Apostles in the Bible that the disciples were being guided by the Holy Spirit. If Jesus is God, surely they should know it. But they did not. They kept worshipping the one true God who was worshipped by Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (see Acts 3:13).
All of the writers of the Bible believed that God was not Jesus. The idea that Jesus is God did not become part of Christian belief until after the Bible was written, and took many centuries to become part of the faith of Christians.
Matthew, Mark, and Luke, authors of the first three Gospels, believed that Jesus was not God (see Mark 10:18 and Matthew 19:17). They believed that he was the son of God in the sense of a righteous person. Many others too, are similarly called sons of God (see Matthew 23:1-9).
Paul, believed to be the author of some thirteen or fourteen letters in the Bible, also believed that Jesus is not God. For Paul, God first created Jesus, then used Jesus as the agent by which to create the rest of creation (see Colossians 1:15 and 1 Corinthians 8:6). Similar ideas are found in the letter to the Hebrews, and also in the Gospel and Letters of John composed some seventy years after Jesus. In all of these writings, however, Jesus is still a creature of God and is therefore forever subservient to God (see 1 Corinthians 15:28).
Now, because Paul, John, and the author of Hebrews believed that Jesus was God’s first creature, some of what they wrote clearly show that Jesus was a pre-existent powerful being. This is often misunderstood to mean that he must have been God. But to say that Jesus was God is to go against what these very authors wrote. Although these authors had this later belief that Jesus is greater than all creatures, they also believed that he was still lesser than God. In fact, John quotes Jesus as saying: “, the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28). And Paul declares that the head of every woman is her husband, the head of every man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God (see 1 Corinthians 11:3).
Therefore, to find something in these writings and claim that these teach that Jesus is God is to misuse and misquote what those authors are saying. What they wrote must be understood in the context of their belief that Jesus is a creature of God as they have already clearly said.
So we see then, that some of the later writers had a higher view of Jesus, but none of the writers of the Bible believed that Jesus is God. The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true God, the one whom Jesus worshipped (see John 17: 3).
In the rest of this article we will explore the Bible in more depth, and deal with the passages which are most often misquoted as proofs of Jesus’ divinity. We will show, with God’s help, that these do not mean what they are so often used to prove.
2) Evidence From the Acts of the Apostles:
Jesus performed many miraculous wonders, and he without doubt said a lot of wonderful things about himself. Some people use what he said and did as a proof that he was God. But his original disciples who lived and walked with him, and were eyewitnesses to what he said and did, never reached this conclusion.
The Acts of the Apostles in the Bible details the activity of the disciples over a period of thirty years after Jesus was lifted up to heaven. Throughout this period they never refer to Jesus as God. They continually and consistently use the title God to refer to someone else other than Jesus.
Peter stood up with the eleven disciples and addressed the crowd saying: “Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.” (Acts 2:22).
It was God, therefore, who did the miracles through Jesus to convince people that Jesus was backed by God. Peter did not see the miracles as proof that Jesus is God.
In fact, the way Peter refers to God and to Jesus makes it clear that Jesus is not God. For he always turns the title God away from Jesus. Take the following references for example:
“God has raised this Jesus, ” (Acts 2:32)
“God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:36)
In both passages, the title God is turned away from Jesus. So why he did this, if Jesus was God?
For Peter, Jesus was a servant of God. Peter said: “God raised up his servant, ” (Acts 3:26). The title servant refers to Jesus. This is clear from a previous passage where Peter declared: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
Peter must have known that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob never spoke of a Triune God. They always spoke of God as the only God. Here, as in Matthew 12:18, Jesus is the servant of God. Matthew tells us that Jesus was the same servant of God spoken of in Isaiah 42:1. So, according to Matthew and Peter, Jesus is not God, but God’s servant. The Old Testament repeatedly says that God is alone (e.g. Isaiah 45:5).
All of the disciples of Jesus held this view. In Acts 4:24 we are told that the believers prayed to God saying: “, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. ‘Sovereign Lord,’ they said, ‘you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.’” It is clear that the one they were praying to was not Jesus, because, two verses later, they referred to Jesus as “, your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed.” (Acts 4:27).
If Jesus was God, his disciples should have said this clearly. Instead, they kept preaching that Jesus was God’s Christ. We are told in Acts: “Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.” (Acts 5:42).
The Greek word “Christ” is a human title. It means “Anointed.” If Jesus was God, why would the disciples continually refer to him with human titles like servant and Christ of God, and consistently use the title God for the one who raised Jesus? Did they fear men? No! They boldly preached the truth fearing neither imprisonment nor death. When they faced opposition from the authorities, Peter declared: “We must obey God rather than men! The God of our fathers raised Jesus, ” (Acts 5:29-30).
Were they lacking the Holy Spirit? No! They were supported by the Holy Spirit (see Acts 2:3, 4:8, and 5:32). They were simply teaching what they had learnt from Jesus — that Jesus was not God but, rather, God’s servant and Christ.
The Quran confirms that Jesus was the Messiah (Christ), and that he was God’s servant (see the Holy Quran 3:45 and 19:30).
3) Jesus is Not All-Powerful, and Not All-Knowing:
Christians and Muslims agree that God is all-powerful and all-knowing. The Gospels show that Jesus was not all-powerful, and not all-knowing, since he had some limitations.
Mark tells us in his gospel that Jesus was unable to do any powerful work in his hometown except few things: “He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.” (Mark 6:5). Mark also tells us that when Jesus tried to heal a certain blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (see Mark 8:22-26).
Therefore, although we hold a great love and respect for Jesus, we need to understand that he is not the all-powerful God.
Mark’s Gospel also reveals that Jesus had limitations in his knowledge. In Mark 13:32, Jesus declared that he himself does not know when the last day will occur, but the Father alone knows that (see also Matthew 24:36).
Therefore, Jesus could not have been the all-knowing God. Some will say that Jesus knew when the last day will occur, but he chose not to tell. But that complicates matters further. Jesus could have said that he knows but he does not wish to tell. Instead, he said that he does not know. We must believe him. Jesus does not lie at all.
The Gospel of Luke also reveals that Jesus had limited knowledge. Luke says that Jesus increased in wisdom (Luke 2:52). In Hebrews too (Hebrews 5: we read that Jesus learned obedience. But God’s knowledge and wisdom is always perfect, and God does not learn new things. He knows everything always. So, if Jesus learned something new, that proves that he did not know everything before that, and thus he was not God.
Another example for the limited knowledge of Jesus is the fig tree episode in the Gospels. Mark tells us as follows: “The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.” (Mark 11:12-13).
It is clear from these verses that the knowledge of Jesus was limited on two counts. First, he did not know that the tree had no fruit until he came to it. Second, he did not know that it was not the right season to expect figs on trees.
Can he become God later? No! Because there is only one God, and He is God from everlasting to everlasting (see Psalms 90:2).
Someone may say that Jesus was God but he took the form of a servant and therefore became limited. Well, that would mean that God changed. But God does not change. God said so according to Malachi 3:6.
Jesus never was God, and never will be. In the Bible, God declares: “Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me.” (Isaiah 43:10).
The Bible clearly shows that Jesus was not all-powerful and all-knowing as the true God should be.
4) The Greatest Commandment in the Bible and the Quran:
Some will say that this whole discussion over the divinity of Jesus is unnecessary. They say, the important thing is to accept Jesus as your personal savior. On the contrary, the Bible’s writers stressed that, in order to be saved, it is necessary to understand who exactly is God. Failure to understand this would be to violate the first and greatest of all the commandments in the Bible. This commandment was emphasized by Jesus, on whom be peace, when a teacher of the Law of Moses asked him: “‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’ ‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” (Mark 12:28-30).
Notice that Jesus was quoting the first commandment from the book of Deuteronomy 6:4-5. Jesus confirmed not only that this commandment is still valid, but also that it is the most important of all the commandments. If Jesus thought that he himself is God, why did not he say so? Instead, he stressed that God is one. The man who questioned Jesus understood this, and what the man says next makes it clear that God is not Jesus, for he said to Jesus: “‘Well said, teacher,’ the man replied. ‘You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.’” (Mark 12:32).
Now if Jesus was God, he would have told the man so. Instead, he let the man refer to God as someone other than Jesus, and he even saw that the man had spoken wisely: “When Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said to him, ‘You are not far from the kingdom of God.’” (Mark 12:34). If Jesus knew that God is a trinity, why did not he say so? Why did not he say that God is one in three, or three in one? Instead, he declared that God is one. True imitators of Jesus will imitate him also in this declaration of God’s oneness. They will not add the word three where Jesus never said it.
Does salvation depend on this commandment? Yes, says the Bible! Jesus made this clear when another man approached Jesus to learn from him (see Mark 10:17-29). The man fell on his knees and said to Jesus: “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus replied: “Why do you call me good? No one is good — except God alone.” (Mark 10:17-18).
By so saying, Jesus made a clear distinction between himself and God. Then he proceeded with the answer to the man’s question about how to get salvation. Jesus told him: “If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, also see Mark 10:19).
Remember that the most important of all the commandments, according to Jesus, is to know God as the only God. Jesus further emphasized this in the Gospel According to John. In John 17:1, Jesus lifted his eyes to heaven and prayed, addressing God as Father. Then in verse three, he said to God as follows: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” (John 17:3).
This proves beyond doubt that if people want to get eternal life they must know that the One, whom Jesus was praying to, is the only true God, and they must know that Jesus was sent by the true God. Some say that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. But Jesus said that the Father alone is the only true God. True followers of Jesus will follow him in this too. Jesus had said that his true followers are those who hold to his teachings. He said: “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.” (John 8:31). His teaching is that people must continue to keep the commandments, especially the first commandment which emphasizes that God is alone, and that God should be loved with all our hearts and all our strengths.
We love Jesus, but we must not love him as God. Today many love Jesus more than they love God. This is because they see God as a vengeful person who wanted to exact a penalty from them, and they see Jesus as the savior who rescued them from the wrath of God. Yet God is our only savior. According to Isaiah 43:11, God said: “I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.” Also God said according to Isaiah 45:21-22: “Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me. Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other.”
The Quran confirms the first commandment and addresses it to all humankind (see the Holy Quran 2:163). And God declares that true believers love Him more than anyone else or anything else (Quran 2:165).
5) Paul Believed That Jesus is not God:
Many people use Paul’s writings as proof that Jesus is God. But this is not fair to Paul, because Paul clearly believed that Jesus is not God. In his first letter to Timothy, Paul wrote: “I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions, ” (1 Timothy 5:21).
It is clear from this that the title God applies not to Christ Jesus, but to someone else. In the following chapter, he again differentiates between God and Jesus when he says: “In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, ” (1 Timothy 6:13).
Paul then went on to speak of the second appearance of Jesus: “the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time.” (1 Timothy 6:14-15).
Again, the title God is deliberately turned away from Jesus. Incidentally, many people think that when Jesus is called “Lord” in the Bible that this means “God.” But in the Bible this title means master or teacher, and it can be used for addressing humans (see 1 Peter 3:6).
What is more important, however, is to notice what Paul said about God in the following passage, which clearly shows that Jesus is not God: “God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.” (1 Timothy 6:15-16).
Paul said that God alone is immortal. Immortal means he does not die. Check any dictionary. Now, anyone who believes that Jesus died cannot believe that Jesus is God. Such a belief would contradict what Paul said here. Furthermore, to say that God died is a blasphemy against God. Who would run the world if God died? Paul believed that God does not die.
Paul also said in that passage that God dwells in unapproachable light — that no one has seen God or can see him. Paul knew that many thousands of people had seen Jesus. Yet Paul said that no one has seen God, because Paul was sure that Jesus is not God. This is why Paul went on teaching that Jesus was not God, but that he was the Christ (see Acts 9:22 and 18:5).
When he was in Athens, Paul spoke of God as “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.” (Acts 17:24). Then he identified Jesus as “the man he (i.e. God) has appointed.” (Acts 17:31).
Clearly, for Paul, Jesus was not God, and he would be shocked to see his writings used for proving the opposite of what he believed. Paul even testified in court saying: “I admit that I worship the God of our fathers, ” (Acts 24:14).
He also said that Jesus is the servant of that God, for we read in Acts: “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.” (Acts 3:13).
For Paul, the Father alone is God. Paul said that there is “one God and Father of all, ” (Ephesians 4:6). Paul said again: “, for us there is but one God, the Father . . . and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, ” (1 Corinthians 8:6).
Paul’s letter to the Philippians (Philippians 2:6-11) is often quoted as a proof that Jesus is God. But the very passage shows that Jesus is not God. This passage has to agree with Isaiah 45:22-24 where God said that every knee should bow to God, and every tongue should confess that righteousness and strength are in God alone. Paul was aware of this passage, for he quoted it in Romans 14:11. Knowing this, Paul declared: “I kneel before the Father.” (Ephesians 3:14).
The letter to the Hebrews (Hebrews 1:6) says that the angels of God should worship the Son. But this passage depends on Deuteronomy 32:43, in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament. This phrase cannot be found in the Old Testament used by Christians today, and the Septuagint version is no longer considered valid by Christians. However, even the Septuagint version, does not say worship the Son. It says let the Angels of God worship God. The Bible insists that God alone is to be worshipped: “When the LORD made a covenant with the Israelites, he commanded them: ‘Do not worship any other gods or bow down to them, serve them or sacrifice to them. But the LORD, who brought you up out of Egypt with mighty power and outstretched arm, is the one you must worship. To him you shall bow down and to him offer sacrifices. You must always be careful to keep the decrees and ordinances, the laws and commands he wrote for you. Do not worship other gods. Do not forget the covenant I have made with you, and do not worship other gods. Rather, worship the LORD your God; it is he who will deliver you from the hand of all your enemies.’” (2 Kings 17:35-39).
Jesus, on whom be peace, believed in this, for he also stressed it in Luke 4:8. And Jesus too fell on his face and worshipped God (see Matthew 26:39). Paul knew that Jesus worshipped God (see Hebrews 5:7). Paul taught that Jesus will remain forever subservient to God (see 1 Corinthians 15:28).
6) Evidence from the Gospel of John:
The Gospel of John, the fourth Gospel, was completed to its present form some seventy years after Jesus was raised up to heaven. This Gospel in its final form says one more thing about Jesus that was unknown from the previous three Gospels — that Jesus was the Word of God. John means that Jesus was God’s agent through whom God created everything else. This is often misunderstood to mean that Jesus was God Himself. But John was saying, as Paul had already said, that Jesus was God’s first creature. In the Book of Revelation in the Bible, we find that Jesus is: “the beginning of God’s creation” (Revelation 3:14, also see 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Colossians 1:15).
Anyone who says that the Word of God is a person distinct from God must also admit that the Word was created, for the Word speaks in the Bible saying: “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, ” (Proverbs 8:22).
This Gospel, nevertheless, clearly teaches that Jesus is not God. If it did not continue this teaching, then it would contradict the other three Gospels and also the letters of Paul from which it is clearly established that Jesus is not God. We find here that Jesus was not co-equal with the Father, for Jesus said: “, the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28).
People forget this and they say that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom should we believe — Jesus or the people? Muslims and Christians agree that God is self-existent. This means that He does not derive his existence from anyone. Yet John tells us that Jesus’ existence is caused by the Father. Jesus said in this Gospel: “, I live because of the Father, ” (John 6:57).
John tells us that Jesus cannot do anything by his own when he quotes Jesus as saying: “By myself I can do nothing, ” (John 5:30). This agrees with what we learn about Jesus from other Gospels. In Mark, for example, we learn that Jesus performed miracles by a power which was not within his control. This is especially clear from an episode in which a woman is healed of her incurable bleeding. The woman came up behind him and touched his cloak, and she was immediately healed. But Jesus had no idea who touched him. Mark describes Jesus’ actions thus: “At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’” (Mark 5:30). His disciples could not provide a satisfactory answer, so Mark tells us: “Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it.” (Mark 5:32). This shows that the power that healed the woman was not within Jesus’ control. He knew that the power had gone out of him, but he did not know where it went. Some other intelligent being had to guide that power to the woman who needed to be healed. God was that intelligent being.
It is no wonder, then, that in Acts of the Apostles we read that it was God who did the miracles through Jesus (Acts 2:22).
God did extraordinary miracles through others too, but that does not make the others God (see Acts 19:11). Why, then, is Jesus taken for God? Even when Jesus raised his friend Lazarus from the dead, he had to ask God to do it. Lazarus’ sister, Martha, knew this, for she said to Jesus: “I know that even now God will give you whatever you ask.” (John 11:22).
Martha knew that Jesus was not God, and John who reported this with approval knew it also. Jesus had a God, for when he was about to ascend to heaven, he said: “I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.” (John 20:17).
John was sure that no one had seen God, although he knew that many people had seen Jesus (see John 1:18 and 1 John 4:12). In fact Jesus himself told the crowds, that they have never seen the Father, nor have they heard the Father’s voice (John 5:37). Notice that if Jesus was the Father, his statement here would be false. Who is the only God in John’s Gospel? The Father alone.
Jesus testified this when he declared that the God of the Jews is the Father (John 8:54). Jesus too confirmed that the Father alone is the only true God (see John 17:1-3). And Jesus said to his enemies: “, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” (John 8:40). According to John, therefore, Jesus was not God, and nothing John wrote should be taken as proof that he was God — unless one wishes to disagree with John.
7) God and Jesus Are Two Separate Beings:
Many people use certain verses of the Bible as proof that Jesus is God. However, all of these verses, when understood in context, prove the opposite!
For example, in Matthew 9:2, Jesus said to a certain man, “Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven.” Because of this, some say that Jesus must be God since only God can forgive sins. However, if you are willing to read just a few verses further, you will find that the people “, praised God, who had given such authority to men.” (Matthew 9:. This shows that the people knew, and Matthew agrees, that Jesus is not the only man to receive such authority from God.
Jesus himself emphasized that he does not speak on his own authority (John 14:10) and he does nothing on his own authority, but he speaks only what the Father has taught him (John 8:28). What Jesus did here was as follows. Jesus announced to the man the knowledge Jesus received from God that God had forgiven the man.
Notice that Jesus did not say, “I forgive your sins,” but rather, “your sins are forgiven,” implying, as this would to his Jewish listeners, that God had forgiven the man. Jesus, then, did not have the power to forgive sins, and in that very episode he called himself “the Son of Man” (Matthew 9:6).
John 10:30 is often used as proof that Jesus is God because Jesus said, “I and the father are one.” But, if you read the next six verses, you will find Jesus explaining that his enemies were wrong to think that he was claiming to be God. What Jesus obviously means here is that he is one with the Father in purpose. Jesus also prayed that his disciples should be one just as Jesus and the Father are one. Obviously, he was not praying that all his disciples should somehow merge into one individual (see John 17:11 and 22). And when Luke reports that the disciples were all one, Luke does not mean that they became one single human being, but that they shared a common purpose although they were separate beings (see Acts 4:32). In terms of essence, Jesus and the Father are two, for Jesus said they are two witnesses (John 8:14-18). They have to be two, since one is greater than the other (see John 14:28). When Jesus prayed to be saved from the cross, he said: “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” (Luke 22:42).
This shows that they had two separate wills, although Jesus submitted his will to the will of the Father. Two wills mean two separate individuals.
Furthermore, Jesus is reported to have said: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). If one of them forsook the other, then they must be two separate entities.
Again, Jesus is reported to have said: “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” (Luke 23:46). If the spirit of one can be placed into the hands of another, they must be two separate beings.
In all of these instances, Jesus is clearly subordinate to the Father. When Jesus knelt down and prayed he obviously was not praying to himself (see Luke 22:41). He was praying to his God.
Throughout the New Testament, the Father alone is called God. In fact, the titles “Father” and “God” are used to designate one individual, not three, and never Jesus. This is also clear from the fact that Matthew substituted the title “Father” in the place of the title “God” in at least two places in his Gospel (compare Matthew 10:29 with Luke 12:6, and Matthew 12:50 with Mark 3:35). If Matthew is right in doing so, then the Father alone is God.
Was Jesus the Father? No! Because Jesus said: “And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.” (Matthew 23:9). So Jesus is not the Father, since Jesus was standing on the earth when he said this.
The Quran seeks to bring people back to the true faith that was taught by Jesus, and by his true disciples who continued in his teaching. That teaching emphasized a continued commitment to the first commandment that God is alone. In the Quran, God directs Muslims to call readers of the Bible back to that true faith. God have said in the Quran:
Say: “O people of the Book (Christians and Jews)! Come to a word that is just between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords beside God.” (Quran, 3:64)

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Footnotes:
(1) All of the quoted verses in this article have been taken from The NIV Study Bible, New International Version

Former pastor, missionary, professor. Master's degree in Divinity
“What happened to you?” This was usually the first reaction I encountered when my former classmates, friends and co-pastors saw me after having embraced Islam. I suppose I couldn’t blame them, I was a highly unlikely the person to change religions. Formerly, I was a professor, pastor, church planter and missionary. If anyone was a radical fundamentalist it was I.

I had just graduated with my Master’s Degree of Divinity from an elite seminary five months before. It was after that time I met a lady who had worked in Saudi Arabia and had embraced Islam. Of course I asked her about the treatment of women in Islam. I was shocked at her answer, it wasn’t what I expected so I proceeded to ask other questions relating to Allah and Muhammad (pbuh). She informed me that she would take me to the Islamic Center where they would be better able to answer my questions.

Being prayed up, meaning-asking Jesus for protection against demon spirits seeing that what we had been taught about Islam is that it is Demonic and Satanic religion. Having taught Evangelism I was quite shocked at their approach, it wa s direct and straightforward. No intimidation, no harassment, no psychological manipulation, no subliminal influence! None of this, “let’s have a Qur’aanic study in your house”, like a counter part of the Bible study. I couldn’t believe it! They gave me some books and told me if I had some questions they were available to answer them in the office. That night I read all of the books they gave. It was the first time I had ever read a book about Islam written by a Muslim, we had studied and read books about Islam only written by Christians. The next day I spent three hours at the office asking questions. This went on everyday for a week, by which time I had read twelve books and knew why Muslims are the hardest people in the world to convert to Christianity. Why? Because there is nothing to offer them!! (In Islam) There is a relationship with Allah, forgiveness of sins, salvation and promise of Eternal Life.

Naturally, my first question centered on the deity of Allah. Who is this Allah that the Muslims worship? We had been taught as Christians that this is another god, a false god. When in fact He is the Omniscient-All Knowing, Omnipotent-All Powerful, and Omnipresent-All Present God. The One and Only without co-partners or co-equal. It is interesting to note that there were bishops during the first three hundred years of the Church that were teaching as the Muslim beli eves that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet and teacher!! It was only after the conversion of Emperor Constantine that he was the one to call and introduce the doctrine of the Trinity. He a convert to Christianity who knew nothing of this religion introduced a paganistic concept that goes back to Babylonian times. Because the space does not permit me to go into detail about the subject insha’Allah, another time. Only I must point out that the word TRINITY is not found in the Bible in any of its many translation nor is it found in the original Greek or Hebrew languages!

My other important question centered on Muhammad (pbuh). Who is this Muhammad? I found out that Muslims do not pray to him like the Christians pray to Jesus. He is not an intermediary and in fact it is forbidden to pray to him. We ask blessing upon him at the end of our prayer but likewise we ask blessings on Abraham. He is a Prophet and a Messenger, the final and last Prophet. In fact, until now, one thousand four hundred and eighteen years (1,418) later there has been no prophet after him. His message is for All Mankind as opposed to the message of Jesus or Moses (peace be upon them both) which was sent to the Jews. “Hear O Israel” But the message is the same message of Allah. “The Lord Your God is One God and you shall have no other gods before Me.”(Mark 12:29).

Because prayer was a very important part of my Christian life I was both interested and curious to know what the Muslims were praying. As Christians we were as ignorant on this aspect of Muslim belief as on the other aspects. We thought and were taught, that the Muslims were bowing down to the Ka’bah (in Mecca), that that was there god and center point of this false deity. Again, I was shocked to learn that the manner of prayer is prescribed by God, Himself. The words of the prayer are one of praise and exaltation. The approach to prayer (ablution or washing) in cleanliness is under the direction of Allah. He is a Holy God and it is not for us to approach Him in an arbitrary manner but only reasonable that He should tell us how we should approach Him.

At the end of that week after having spent eight ( years of formal theological studies I knew cognitively (head knowledge) that Islam was true. But I did not embrace Islam at that time because I did not believe it in my heart. I continued to pray, to read the Bible, to attend lectures at the Islamic Center. I was in earnest asking and seeking God’s direction. It is not easy to change your religion. I did not want to loose my salvation if there was salvation to loose. I continued to be shocked and amazed at what I was learning because it was not what I was taught that Islam believed. In my Master’s level, the professor I had was respected as an authority on Islam yet his teaching and that of Christianity in general is full of Misunderstanding. He and many Christians like him are sincere but they are sincerely wrong.

Two months later after having once again prayed seeking God’s direction, I felt something drop into my being! I sat up, and it was the first time I was to use the name of Allah, and I said, “Allah, I believe you are the One and Only True God.” There was peace that descended upon me and from that day four years ago until now I have never regretted embracing Islam. This decision did not come without trial. I was fired from my job as I was teaching in two Bible Colleges at that time, ostracized by my former classmates, professors and co-pastors, disowned by my husband’s family, misunderstood by my adult children and made a suspicion by my own government. Without the faith that enables man to stand up to Satanic forces I would not ha ve been able to withstand all of this. I am ever so grateful to Allah that I am a Muslim and may I live and die a Muslim.

“Truly, my prayer, my service of sacrifice, my life and my death are all for God the Cherisher of the Worlds. No partner has He, this I am commanded. And I am the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam.” (Holy Qur’aan 6:162-163)

Sister Khadijah Watson

Sister Khadijah Watson is presently working as a teacher for women in one of the Da'wah (Invitation to Islam) Centers in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
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Mosetra:

Even if we try to educate you, you would not understand.

Educate me first before you talk of understanding

Mosetra:
Your Quaran mentions Jesus Christ as Anabi Isa, whose son does it say he is

In the Holy Quran, Jesus is son of Maryam, no more! Can you dispute that?

Mosetra:
You are free to your belief

You're also

Mosetra:
why bring up stupid, senseless questions that only tell how ignorant you are

Then, to know about the origin of Jesus is senseless. To tell us Jesus is the son of man, God, etc is not sensible at all!

Mosetra:
You are entitled to your beliefs but learn to respect other people's

Hope you're talking to your Christian 's rubbish posters. Truly, they need to respect other people's view.

@babyosisi
Then Jesus is the son of:
Man+God-Mary, because she is not mentioned in those verses at all. Any comment?

@thesilent1
Jesus is the son of Mary? While I love to hear that I still need the evidence from your bible.

But please my dear, don't forget that " any person born of wowan is      !

@stimulus
You further exposed yourself to the world. Surely, you are a distraught man
The answer to a question with four answers is still narrow? Well, to other christians, definately not . You are free to read their answers and comments above. Think deeply next time before you answer question

you see why i say u will never understand? ur quaran tells you that Jesus is the son of Maryam, no more. But am sure Maryam did not pick him up as an abandoned baby in the bush. So, we are back to square 1. Mary is the mother. Who is the father? Well, now to the education in which i can see you are in a dire need of (and to which by the way you which admitted to lacking) here are a few things for you (if you care to learn):

1. The Bible teaches that Jesus was born of Mary.
2. In Genesis man fell out of grace with God and an atonement was needed to restore man with God once and for all.
3. Jesus presented himself as this holy sacrifice. But he had to come as man to be sacrificed.
4. He was conceived of the Holy Spirit.
5. Joseph was the foster father of Jesus.
6. On various ocassion he refered to himself as the Son of God and refered to God as His Father. (I don't know what kind of Bible you guys claim to read).
i: John 2:16 "And saith unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.[/color] Please note that it is Jesus who said these things.
ii: John 3:18 "[color=#000099]He that believeth on Him (Jesus) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"

What more do we tell you? my Christian brothers are saying rubbish, ehn? You asked for it. Aint we very peaceful? We have not taken to the streets killing and maiming our muslim neighbours just because one of their own has decided to use his God given time to propagate calumnous things about other people's beliefs. Unlike some people that i know

You don't believe He is the Son of God, fine! Nobody is begging you to! But don't go formenting unnecessary trouble about it. Abi, why swallow panadol on another man's headache? Abeg o!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@firdaus4us,

firdaus4us:

@stimulus
You further exposed yourself to the world.

And the world can read my intelligent inputs, thank you.

firdaus4us:

Surely, you are a distraught man

I'm used to the name-calling and slobber talk. Do you have anything better to offer?

firdaus4us:

The answer to a question with four answers is still narrow?

Are those your answers, or you were posing them as questions with options?

firdaus4us:

Well, to other christians, definately not . You are free to read their answers and comments above.

I have. And. . .??

firdaus4us:

Think deeply next time before you answer question

Oh, you now agree that you had no answers earlier but were offering questions! Okay, English is definitely a problem for you. When you begin to use your brains before posting your antics, we'll be reading more from you.

Happy now??  

@n-ago-2007

surely, you have gone babs787 way pasting long epistles from your anti christian websites and when you are given similar long passages you will pretend not being able to read long passages like babs did when confronted with the same numerous questions he is used to posting.

The question is simple. Just answer it and let others follow the discussion, if actually it is meant to be

I keep wondering who has the time to read all these long term paper eh?
If sister Khadijah found allah,good for her,what has that got to do with this discussion?
For every one Muslim convert from Christianity there are probably thousands the other way around.

In Africa alone it is documented that 6 million convert annually from Islam,should I blow my trumpets?
The truth sets free and has been setting people free.

@noisycheeks


ago-2007

surely, you have gone babs787 way pasting long epistles from your anti christian websites and when you are given similar long passages you will pretend not being able to read long passages like babs did when confronted with the same numerous questions he is used to posting.

The question is simple. Just answer it and let others follow the discussion, if actually it is meant to be


Sister, anybody telling you the truth will always go babs' way. You are still here accusing me of giving me long passages when you have not been able to refute my response to your lies especially on the issue of contradictions. I have provided you enough evidence but its now left for you to rebut them. You went lifting questions/contradictions from www.answering-islam. com and posted here, yet babs never complained but when he replied you with same, you started shouting because your authors have been exposed. How many verses quoted wrongly BY YOUR AUTHORS have I corrected, yet you still have the audacity to say that babs is posting long passages. Go to any christian website, pick anything on Islam and be rest assured that you will be refuted. Am I am still looking forward for more questions and when I am through, I will post my own fresh questions.




@babyosis


Jhn 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


You are still giving us the above verse, arent you tired? Even a todler will give you that verse by heart. John said God's only begotten son. You know that if parents give birth to a son and have no other child apart from him, the son will be the first, last and the only begotten son. The son will neither have brother nor sister because they gave birth to only him. Applying my explanation to your verse above, do we say Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON? as being said by John?


Jhn 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.


In what way is Jesus God's son?


Jhn 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


We apply the same principle here. Do we say Jesus is really the only BEGOTTEN SON?


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I keep wondering who has the time to read all these long term paper eh?
If sister Khadijah found allah,good for her,what has that got to do with this discussion?


You will never have time for the truth. Read the post, check the biblical verses and apply them religiously and stop deceiving yourself.



In Africa alone it is documented that 6 million convert annually from Islam,should I blow my trumpets?
The truth sets free and has been setting people free.

What truth are you referring to here because I have never seen any truth here. You have been refuted on so many occassions while preaching your doctrines. Please let me have the truth again

Have you ever seen the film entitled "The Last Temptation Of Christ?" This movie depicts a dying Jesus on the cross hallucinating about the devil's final temptation: "Come down from the cross, renounce your role as a Messiah, marry Mary Magdalene and live a long and ordinary life." The movie portrays him as being fully human and divine at the same time as you know, Jesus (from his father—Neter Gabriy'el) had a two fold nature. Half angelic and half human from his mother Mary. , The film has sent so-called religious leaders in a wild controversial protest denouncing the film as blasphemous. They have even staged demonstrations in hopes that the film be destroyed. The movie raises such questions as:
1)-What Jesus God or a man?
2)-Was he the Messiah?
3)-Was he the son of God?
4)-How Jesus called Paul a liar?
The movie also depicts Paul (the 13th self-appointed Apostle) as a hypocrite and a liar. (Everyone knows about Paul.) So-called religious leaders are afraid of this movie because it attacks Christians and exposes it for what it really is…a fallacy. They're afraid that people will sift it through and find the truth that they have kept hidden from you for too long. The truth is you are following the wrong Jesus.

Salam alaikum to brother and sisters,

First would like to let noisycheek know that i enjoyed reading no matter how long it is as long as it is truth, but i hate insults and mock to any individuals faith, because i respect my faith as well as other ppls faith. What so ever your faith is i still respect you, but lets have understanding and always compare and constract between truth and opposite. Last but no mean least do not to be mislead by some websites developed by individuals whose goals is to tarnish the light of Islam. However do not think of transliteration of Holy qur'an is the true meaning of the holy book, because the translator always work base on their understanding of the sacred text, moreover do not quote only one verse and start mistranslating it to the people, i would also like refer you to tafsir books that i believe will give you more insight of the meaning of the Holy Qur'an.

Peace/N-ago.

Don't mind my uncook english, and the writtings, because i am still warming!

Jhn 3:16   "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

  babs,blabs,babs,what part of the above scripture don't you understand,it is self explanatory as you said if a toddler can say it by heart shall I say your mental ability is less than a toddlers since you still don't understand it?

You write long posts and make no sense.
What about Jesus calling himself the only begotten son of God don't you understand.
Is is unislamic to use commonsense.

You may glory in your ability to post rubbish,just because sometimes I have no interest in responding does not make you right.
It's just that 99% of the time you are not worth responding to and it's often difficult for me to reason at your level without reverting to grade school level.
But continue the entertainment.

The man who divided world history into BC (before Christ) and AD (in the year of our Lord) is both God and man and made those claims of himself.
Your hyperventillating will not change that fact.

@babs787,

babs787:

@noisycheeks

Sister, anybody telling you the truth will always go babs' way.

How unfortunate!

babs787:

You are still here accusing me of giving me long passages when you have not been able to refute my response to your lies especially on the issue of contradictions. I have provided you enough evidence but its now left for you to rebut them. You went lifting questions/contradictions from www.answering-islam. com and posted here, yet babs never complained but when he replied you with same, you started shouting because your authors have been exposed. How many verses quoted wrongly BY YOUR AUTHORS have I corrected, yet you still have the audacity to say that babs is posting long passages. Go to any christian website, pick anything on Islam and be rest assured that you will be refuted. Am I am still looking forward for more questions and when I am through, I will post my own fresh questions.

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Just quite the begging and face issues. You're whining now because you antics have been blown to reveal you can't think for yourself unless you lift articles from your anti-Christian websites, dress them as your own, and then pretend a scholarship even you can't understand.

When you're done dancing the belly-ache, we will help you change your username.   

Right. After all the plagiarism, we can now settle down and think for ourselves. 

@topic,

What's the problem with who Jesus was? If you're not quite sure from Islam's holy books, at least you could simply check out the answers from the Bible. You didn't have to feverishly start this thread as a desperate reaction to score points for your Muslim apologetics.


PS.
To posters: it would make sense to give credit to sources where articles have been lifted, borrowed, dressed up or re-dressed, confiscated, copped out, or whatever else. What is criminal is to pretend they are your own!!

Gwaine:

PS.
To posters: it would make sense to give credit to sources where articles have been lifted, borrowed, dressed up or re-dressed, confiscated, copped out, or whatever else. What is criminal is to pretend they are your own!! [/font]

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n-ago-2007:

Salam alaikum to brother and sisters,

First would like to let noisycheek know that i enjoyed reading no matter how long it is as long as it is truth, but i hate insults and mock to any individuals faith, because i respect my faith as well as other ppls faith. What so ever your faith is i still respect you, but lets have understanding and always compare and constract between truth and opposite[b]. Last but no mean least do not to be mislead by some websites developed by individuals whose goals is to tarnish the light of Islam. However do not think of transliteration of Holy qur'an is the true meaning of the holy book, because the translator always work base on their understanding of the sacred text, moreover do not quote only one verse and[/b] start mistranslating it to the people, i would also like refer you to tafsir books that i believe will give you more insight of the meaning of the Holy Qur'an.

Peace/N-ago.

Don't mind my uncook english, and the writtings, because i am still warming!

Pls tell that to your brother blabs al salaam. He is the chief in charge of plagiarism and an expert at that. I wonder why is ever crying. Weep not, child for your fraud has been exposed. However, I need not trade words with you because it is obvious who thought the world to copy

nossycheek:

_{Please tell that to your brother blabs al salaam. He is the chief in charge of plagiarism and an expert at that. I wonder why is ever crying. Weep not, child for your fraud has been exposed.}

See what rank-xeroxing without acknowledgements does to a gentleman? I do hope from henceforth, this trend will change for the better.  

@babyosis

Jhn 3:16   "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


I have learnt that you are the most uncouth lady here so as a result will not waste time with you here.

My question again, do we say Jesus is the only begotten son as put by John in chapter 3 verse 16?


Stimulus & Gwaine can assist .

Thanks.


@gwaine

Be careful of what you say. If you dont know what to say to the lies posted by your folks, it will be better to keep your mouth shut please. I can see that you all lack understanding, birds of a feather. You will always behave like one, you didnt read when your sister noisycheeks quoted verses wrongly but making noise over what you never understand. You will answer some questions soon and dont avoid my questions like stimulus please.


@noisycheeks


Funny how you accuse babs of lifting from threas when you have lifted everything from websites but your folks didnt see that. Well, once again, endeavour to give the translation whenever you are bringing up any contradiction.

@babs787,

<sub>@gwaine

Be careful of what you say. If you don't know what to say to the lies posted by your folks, it will be better to keep your mouth shut please. I can see that you all lack understanding, birds of a feather. You will always behave like one, you didnt read when your sister noisycheeks quoted verses wrongly but making noise over what you never understand. You will answer some questions soon and don't avoid my questions like stimulus please.</sub>

Good to notice you're already warming up. Like I said, if your games are really why you joined the Forum, prepare for your worst nightmares.  

babs787:

@babyosis

Jhn 3:16   "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


I have learnt that you are the most uncouth lady here so as a result will not waste time with you here.

My question again, do we say Jesus is the only begotten son as put by John in chapter 3 verse 16?


Stimulus & Gwaine can assist .

Thanks.

what you say is irrelevant. Who said your book is an authority on the issue, a book that lacks coherence and describes Jesus as white and red. Is it possible?

babs787:


@noisycheeks

Funny how you accuse babs of lifting from threas when you have lifted everything from websites but your folks didnt see that. Well, once again, endeavour to give the translation whenever you are bringing up any contradiction.

As if blabs gave translations for all the bible verses he posted. Al-tagiyya or what is it called at it again.