To my lawyers in the house, Is legally right for a parent or parents to violently force (by calling people to inject and attack them) an adult (their child) who is about 29-30 years and above to a rehab against his or her will just because they drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes (even when alcohol and cigarettes are not against the law)? Is it lawfully right to force them to a rehab against their will when they haven't constituted any nuisance or violent behaviour.

I don't know for Nigeria, but the UK mental act stipulates involuntary admission for patients against their consent. An addict that his actions constitutes self-harm or harm to others are usually admitted.
So, is the child harming anybody or himself??

In Nigeria as long as you live with your parents you are subject to their authority. You are not an adult even if you are 62.

Is the 'adult child' looking to sue the parents?

Is he independent of the parents?

It's only well meaning parents that'll go to such lengths to ensure their child doesn't waste his life on addictions.

Yes, cos we are Nigerians

Are you sure the child hasn't started behaving like someone that needs to be rehabilitated?

If they are at risk of physically harming others or themselves then it’s legal.
Otherwise it’s not

I work in a psychiatric hospital, a good number of patients wake up to find themselves admitted there because many of them would not voluntarily agree to be brought over.

In the Rehabilitation centre, out of the 37 in residence, ranging from the age 19 to 53 years (both gender) only 4 came willingly while the rest are still angry and living in denial that their various drugs of choice is not an issue! Sha dey must complete their 90 days of detoxification, psychoeducation, occupational therapy, group and one-on-one therapy sessions, after which sobriety or relapse is a choice to make and live out when they leave.

Slikosliko57:
To my lawyers in the house, Is legally right for a parent or parents to violently force (by calling people to inject and attack them) an adult (their child) who is about 29-30 years and above to a rehab against his or her will just because they drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes (even when alcohol and cigarettes are not against the law)? Is it lawfully right to force them to a rehab against their will when they haven't constituted any nuisance or violent behaviour.

Addiction is a family disease, the addict's lifestyle affects the other members of the family. Drinking alcohol is not the issue but being an alcoholic is where the problem lies because the user has developed dependency on it.

amaham:
I don't know for Nigeria, but the UK mental act stipulates involuntary admission for patients against their consent. An addict that his actions constitutes self-harm or harm to others are usually admitted.
So, is the child harming anybody or himself??

No, the child isn't harming anybody or himself. In some cases, they have be taken there already but the same parents threaten to take them back if they don't go for monthly checkups when they haven't inflicted harm on anyone or themselves. It sounds wrong.

eazzzy1:
In Nigeria as long as you live with your parents you are subject to their authority. You are not an adult even if you are 62.

Unfortunately, this is true. But it is wrong. Anybody above 18 or 21 should be considered an adult by law.

RoyalBlu:
Is the 'adult child' looking to sue the parents?

Is he independent of the parents?

It's only well meaning parents that'll go to such lengths to ensure their child doesn't waste his life on addictions.

These adults still live with their parents, I don't know if they are looking to sue. But it should be possible sue someone for that.

Foodqueen:
Yes, cos we are Nigerians

Then this very wrong, how do we evolve as a country if this type of thing happens here. People get bundled to a rehab because they go to the club every Friday to socialize, that's not right though.

Oluneutral:
Are you sure the child hasn't started behaving like someone that needs to be rehabilitated?

Not at all, these people, just go to the club every Friday to socialize, a lot of people in Nigeria smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, it doesn't mean that they all need rehabilitation, these substances are not illegal, so what crime are they committing?

cococandy:
If they are at risk of physically harming others or themselves then it’s legal.
Otherwise it’s not

Exactly, a lot of victims think so as well. If it's not then it should be looked into. I wonder if situations like this can be reported to the police.

Mindlog:
I work in a psychiatric hospital, a good number of patients wake up to find themselves admitted there because many of them would not voluntarily agree to be brought over.

In the Rehabilitation centre, out of the 37 in residence, ranging from the age 19 to 53 years (both gender) only 4 came willingly while the rest are still angry and living in denial that their various drugs of choice is not an issue! Sha dey must complete their 90 days of detoxification, psychoeducation, occupational therapy, group and one-on-one therapy sessions, after which sobriety or relapse is a choice to make and live out when they leave.

But this is wrong. Even if the individual became violent, the person should be taken to a police station not a rehab. For example, when two people fight on the streets, they are taken to a police cell not a rehab. It's more wrong, when the person didn't pose as a threat to other people. Forcefully taking a person to a rehab because the club every Friday doesn't sound right at all.

Slikosliko57:


These adults still live with their parents, I don't know if they are looking to sue. But it should be possible sue someone for that.

Someone who is about 30 years, still living with his Nigerian parents has the effrontery to be drinking and smoking while under their roof?

The person should prove he is an adult by first moving out of his parents house and pay for his own accomodation, establishing independent living.

Mindlog:


Addiction is a family disease, the addict's lifestyle affects the other members of the family. Drinking alcohol is not the issue but being an alcoholic is where the problem lies because the user has developed dependency on it.

What happens when these individuals are sincerely not addicts because this could also be the case. Anybody who gets to the gates of a rehab isn't leaving there until after 90days whether he likes it or not. So even the ones who are not addicted will have to suffer when the rehab is told that they visit the club three Fridays out of four to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and socialize like other normal human beings. Drinking alcohol and being an alcoholic are two different things.

Slikosliko57:


What happens when these individuals are sincerely not addicts because this could also be the case. Anybody who gets to the gates of a rehab isn't leaving there until after 90days whether he likes it or not. So even the ones who are not addicted will have to suffer when the rehab is told that they visit the club three Fridays out of four to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes and socialize like other normal human beings. Drinking alcohol and being an alcoholic are two different things.

Even persons who abuse alcohol and other substances rarely acknowledge their state, they rationalize their consumption.

Before anyone is admitted into the rehab whether voluntarily or not, a pre-intake screening is carried out. Why not the person (I have this feeling that it is you because from your posts you have not been successful in depersonalizing) focus on moving out of his parents house? Dependent living comes with its terms.

Mindlog:


Even persons who abuse alcohol and other substances rarely acknowledge their state, they rationalize their consumption.

Before anyone is admitted into the rehab whether voluntarily or not, a pre-intake screening is carried out. Why not the person (I have this feeling that it is you because from your posts you have not been successful in depersonalizing) focus on moving out of his parents house? Dependent living comes with its terms.

Some of them don't acknowledge their state, correct. But because these people I have heard from drink alcohol on a Friday or every weekend doesn't make them addicts or dependent on alcohol. And by the way alcohol is not an illegal drug; an addict is a person who is addicted to a particular substance, typically an illegal drug. According to a few of them, many of them weren't even tested, they were just taking in based on the inaccurate complaints of their parents. You have a point, why not these people or this person (which is definitely not me) to focus on moving out of the parents house, that's a strong point. But still, an adult under his parents should still have rights. If these people I have heard from don't pose as a threat then they shouldn't be forcefully taken in.

Pavore9:


Someone who is about 30 years, still living with his Nigerian parents has the effrontery to be drinking and smoking while under their roof?

The person should prove he is an adult by first moving out of his parents house and pay for his own accomodation, establishing independent living.

This is one of the most reasonable comments I have read so far. Well written.

It's very wrong and they can be prosecuted for that. You can report to the police that he has been kidnapped o.

Being an addict doesn't mean you don't have capacity to make decisions such as going for rehab.
Please, it's wrong in all levels to force a treatment on any adult with capacity even if it's for their benefit.
That chap was basically assaulted and kidnapped. They took away his fundamental human right of freedom to move around. It's a grievous offence where even the rehab centre can be sued for megabucks

eyinjuege:
Being an addict doesn't mean you don't have capacity to make decisions such as going for rehab.
Please, it's wrong in all levels to force a treatment on any adult with capacity even if it's for their benefit.
That chap was basically assaulted and kidnapped. They took away his fundamental human right of freedom to move around. It's a grievous offence where even the rehab centre can be sued for megabucks

*Clapping* You went to school well with a foreign head. You know what you're talking about. I respect that, you have regards for the fundamental human rights of an adult.

Slikosliko57:


Unfortunately, this is true. But it is wrong. Anybody above 18 or 21 should be considered an adult by law.

Not really wrong, your parents has the right to choose what is best for you as long as you remain under their care. Is it better to take a child for therapy or evict the child? I know in Canada once you turn 18 your parents can kick you out of their house.

18 is the age to stand alone, so must 18 year old work and pay rent even if they continue living with their parents. Adulthood is responsibility not just age. If the child lives alone, the parents will not go kidnap him from his house and take him to rehab.

Weed smokers I know are always angry and violent, they don’t know and they think they are just fine. The people living with them are the ones who suffer the consequences. I support rehab, if you want to be stupid live alone.

Dear Thread, This is a serious issue and although i am not an authority in these, i suggest it is more a counselling/therapy situation than it is legal. What i'm about to say was something i heard from Temple Obike one of Nigeria's foremost substance abuse counselors on a practice visit to his office. The "Marchman Act" is a rule in Florida that says family and law enforcement should send an individual to rehab involuntarily if the person poses a threat to himself and the general public. A person struggling with excessive substance intake may not be in the best state of mind to understand what is good or bad for them. Loved ones around them need to step up and be available for them or simply seek the help of an interventionist.
Hope this helped. Check for his details on https://templeobike.com

eazzzy1:


Not really wrong, your parents has the right to choose what is best for you as long as you remain under their care. Is it better to take a child for therapy or evict the child? I know in Canada once you turn 18 your parents can kick you out of their house.

18 is the age to stand alone, so must 18 year old work and pay rent even if they continue living with their parents. Adulthood is responsibility not just age. If the child lives alone, the parents will not go kidnap him from his house and take him to rehab.

Weed smokers I know are always angry and violent, they don’t know and they think they are just fine. The people living with them are the ones who suffer the consequences. I support rehab, if you want to be stupid live alone.

You have a point but not entirely. If the individual didn't pose as a threat to himself or others then it's wrong to force him to a psychiatric hospital. But just because two of your sons fought each other does not mean they are now both mad and insane and need to be taken to a rehab. Some people have temper issues naturally and that's why the police are there to solve issues of violence. Rehab or a psychiatric hospital is only meant for people who have become unable to manage themselves, who display symptoms of madness.

Slikosliko57:


You have a point but not entirely. If the individual didn't pose as a threat to himself or others then it's wrong to force him to a psychiatric hospital. But just because two of your sons fought each other does not mean they are now both mad and insane and need to be taken to a rehab. Some people have temper issues naturally and that's why the police are there to solve issues of violence. Rehab or a psychiatric hospital is only meant for people who have become unable to manage themselves, who display symptoms of madness.

Why will someone prefer to get arrested instead of being taken to rehab? When you live with a guardian they determine when you are unable to manage yourself.

When I lived with my folks, sometimes I’m sick but I think I can manage, they are the one who insist on me going to the hospital. It comes with the territory, the people who you live with knows when you need help even before you do.

You are assuming that this family throw their son in rehab to punish them which isn’t the true. I’m sure we will never agree on this issue, maybe till you have a son who’s causes you problem. If a 30 year old still lives with their parents and go to club every Friday that’s a rehabable offense in my opinion.

You should be glad your parents can afford rehab. Your mates are left to the harsh elements on the streets for rituals and organ harvests.

Slikosliko57:
To my lawyers in the house, Is legally right for a parent or parents to violently force (by calling people to inject and attack them) an adult (their child) who is about 29-30 years and above to a rehab against his or her will just because they drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes (even when alcohol and cigarettes are not against the law)? Is it lawfully right to force them to a rehab against their will when they haven't constituted any nuisance or violent behaviour.

Yes.

Especially as there is proof of psychosis due to the effects of alcohol and weed.

eazzzy1:


Why will someone prefer to get arrested instead of being taken to rehab? When you live with a guardian they determine when you are unable to manage yourself.

When I lived with my folks, sometimes I’m sick but I think I can manage, they are the one who insist on me going to the hospital. It comes with the territory, the people who you live with knows when you need help even before you do.

You are assuming that this family throw their son in rehab to punish them which isn’t the true. I’m sure we will never agree on this issue, maybe till you have a son who’s causes you problem. If a 30 year old still lives with their parents and go to club every Friday that’s a rehabable offense in my opinion.

That means every body in the club on a Friday needs rehab. Even some senators go clubbing. Barrack Obama smoked cigarette and ruled a country. Making an arrest is the right thing to do when an individual disturbs the peace, not saying that anyone would prefer that. No, you got it wrong. It wasn't done to punish them. It was done to tame them and make them obey their rules forcefully not necessarily to rehabilitate them. If you're sick, it's responsibility to take care of yourself when you're 30 or above. No one has the right to force you to a hospital. Not all parents are right with their assumption, some parent like to go about things the wrong way just to gain charge over everything. These people I'm taking about here should have the freedom to live until they become a nuisance or a threat in the society. It is then that the police or the law steps in not a rehab centre.