MMotimo:
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You’d think this should be common knowledge by now but no, even in Nigeria of 2020, some people still think they are doing kids a favour by bringing them to this world to suffer when they don’t have the financial capacity to raise them.

The same person begging other people to help raise his/her kids would be the same one waiting to feed off those kids the moment they are capable of earning any sort of income; even if it’s just #20,000 a month.

This mindless birthing exists in the developed world too but the difference is the society and the levels of government there have programs in place to support low income folks - regular cash deposits to their bank accounts, subsidies, free services that everyone else has to pay for, scholarships targeted at students from low income households, etc.

bukatyne:


When are you creating our thread?

Good evening.

NextD18:
This issue of retirement plan is common with poor parents. That's why they are always quick to birth upto 10-15 children, hoping that atleast 5 out of them will miraculously make it and be an investment to them, even when they didn't do their best to raise them properly with their needs.

If you see any hustling first son, respect him because being the first son of a poor family is a great and unnecessary burden in Nigeria.

Something you'll never wanna wish an enemy.

Uyi168:
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Here is a rare Pic of a first son with the burden of responsibilities on his shoulder..

MMotimo:


Mba, I no dey do but threads like this are along the same line so he who has ears should listen.

During this 1 month lockdown, for anyone that has had to beg and/or lie to feed their kids, this is the wake up call you’ve been waiting for that you are not doing well financially and need to stop/suspend having more kids.

CAPSLOCKED:

SIX YEARS LATER.

CAPSLOCKED:
"BIBLE SAYS HONOUR YOUR PARENTS"
"I SENT YOU TO SCHOOL"
"UNGRATEFUL CHILD"
"DO YOU WANT YOUR PARENTS TO DIE?"
"I CARRIED YOU FOR 9 MONTHS"

ONCE YOU SEE THEM BEGIN TO TALK LIKE THIS, THEY'RE ABOUT TO MANIPULATE THE HELL OUT OF YOU.

emmaodet:


I am really tired Capslocked. Really tired..

IT'S LIKE THIS IN MANY FAMILIES, AND YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY PERSON GOING THROUGH THINGS.
YOU LET THEM KNOW YOUR POSITION. YOU LET THEM IN ON ALL THE DETAILS, INCLUDING HOW MUCH YOU EARN.
YOUR SIBLINGS, PARENTS, WIFE, AND HER OWN RELATIVES WILL WANT TO MILK YOU. THAT'S HUMAN NATURE. MONEY IS STRONGER THAN EVERYTHING I KNOW INCLUDING LOVE. I'VE SEEN PARENTS AND THEIR CHILDREN FIGHT OVER LAND ISSUES. I'VE SEEN WIVES AND HUSBAND FIGHT OVER MONEY. LOVE TAKES THE BACKSEAT FOR MATERIAL THINGS ANY TIME.

TO THE PRESIDENT'S BROTHER, A MONTHLY SALARY OF 300,000 IS BULLSHIT. HE WANTS WHATEVER THE PRESIDENT IS HAVING WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH NOW.

IF YOU SPEND ALL THIS ON THESE GUYS, WHAT IF TOMORROW YOU LOSE YOUR SOURCE, WILL YOUR KIDS EAT SAND? ARE YOU SAVING FOR THOSE LITTLE ONES AT ALL? WHAT IF YOU'RE NO LONGER THERE TOMORROW, HOW WILL THEY COPE? DO YOU THINK YOUR SIBLINGS WHO YOU'VE LAID DOWN YOUR SOUL FOR, WILL PUT THEMSELVES IN YOUR POSITION FOR YOUR KIDS?

YOUR CASE IS A CLEAR CASE OF MANIPULATION AND BLACKMAIL, AND YOU KNOW THIS. THAT'S WHY FAMILIES FIND IT EASY TO ACCUSE A MAN'S WIFE WHENEVER HE REFUSES TO DANCE TO THEIR MUSIC. SIR, YOU'VE DONE A LOT. I DON'T KNOW YOU OR YOUR FAMILY, BUT BELIEVE ME ME YOU DON'T OWE YOUR PARENTS A DIME. YES. THEY HAD YOU BECAUSE THEY NEEDED YOU AND IT WAS RESPONSIBLE OF THEM TO BE THERE UNTIL YOU GROW INTO AN ADULT. IN ADVANCED COUNTRIES, YOU'LL SEE PARENTS PAY FOR CHILD SUPPORT, BUT YOU'LL NEVER SEE CHILDREN PAY PARENT SUPPORT.
ALL YOU DO IS OUT OF FREEWILL AND YOU WON'T KILL YOURSELF TO PLEASE THEM. I REMEMBER WHEN MOM'S WANTED TO GO DO OMUGWO FOR BIG SIS. MOMS SAID IF YOU DON'T SEND FLIGHT MONEY I'M NOT COMING. THIS BABE SENT NOTHING.. NASO EVERYBODY DEY THEIR DEY.
NOBODY FROM HERE GOES OUT OF THEIR WAY TO PLEASE THESE OLD PEOPLE BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN KIDS AND LIVES TO LIVE. YOUR SIBLINGS MUST SIT UP MY MAN AND YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE. DRAW THE LINE AND STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPLES AND I PROMISE YOU EVERYBODY WILL ADJUST AFTER A WHILE OF REVOLTING. IF THEY BREAK YOU DOWN YOUR SIBLINGS WILL BE THERE FOR THEIR KIDS, AND WHERE WILL YOU BE?

DRAW THE LINE AND STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPLES. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AS THE FUTURE IS UNPREDICTABLE.

emmaodet:


Hmmmmmmm
Capslocked
These are some of the things my parent use when i don't give them enough from what they demanded.
We are only 3 boys in my family and am the first born.
After graduating and luckily got a job, parent my mum in particular placed a lot of burden and expectations on me.
I roofed there house, furnished it and they moved in. After that demand upon demand upon demand from me.
Gave my uncle who is her junior brother 1m to travel out after mum pestered me, gave her my first car (nissan pathfinder) after pressuring family to give it to her, co-sponsored my junior brother to duabi with 500k - now he is working in a company there earning about 250k per month, sponsored another of her family to dubai again late last year.
The most annoying of all is our last born. She told me he wants to go to Europe and i will need to support with 1m from the 4m he needs while others too will raise money. Told her this venture is not feasible because i know others won't drop any money and i can only give 500k that is comfortable for me. Now she said due to inflation and naira devaluation at black market, we will be needing 5m against the initial 4m and she plans selling my land of 1.5m while i still drop 500k making 2m in total.
My wife sparked that enough is enough. Wetin, kilode, se a man so eran meran ki ikan kan ikan pa ni - why would we tie two rams together while one kills the other. Oko o kin je ti baba ti omo ko ma ni ala - No matter the family bond, there should always be a demarcation between a father's land and his son. Never you merge it together.
Funny enough, i had the intention of selling the land several times before but my mum insisted i shouldn't sell it but build it but now that she needs money, the land can be sold.
Whenever i say No to there financial requests, she will start shouting and crying that she knows how she suffered on us, what she went through to train us, hiw she collected loans and cooperatives to make sure we become somebody in life but now that it is time for us to pay back, for her to sit down and start eating the fruits of her labour, we are always complaining.
That if we are considerate, even before she ask for A, we should have provided A B C because of her sacrifice on us, all this she will be saying after calling family meeting on my head with church pastors to mediate on it.
I can't even count the numbers of time pastors and family members have come to mediate on these issues.
Funny enough, it's not as if she is doing bad. She is a headmistress in govt. school earning about 170k per month and with the new minimum wage, she should earn 200k while dad retired as VP in secondary school and taking pension of 70k.
Our 3rd born is on my monthly pay of 20k per month yet always complaining that she is not enjoying me again especially since i got married, that i hardly give lump sum of maybe 100/200k unlike now that i always grumble before giving 20k.
I am really tired Capslocked. Really tired.
I'm working but i hardly buy clothes for myself or use good car or furnished my apartment to taste.
It has always been responsibilities upon responsibilities.

Pavore9:


In all these, have you ever reflected over a situation should you loose your job or have health challenges that cuts your earning capacity, will your children' welfare be affected? Will your mum and siblings step in to assist with the responsibilities?

Let me cite an example, while growing up in Ojota, Lagos we had a neighbour who lived in a 3 bedroom apartment, he was unmarried and 5 of his younger siblings living with him while paying for the rent of another 3 bedroom in the next street where his 2 elders brothers and their families lived together. Every Sunday his elder brothers' children did come to eat at his place, that place was like a barrack.

This guy was then working with a foreign telecommunication company that was a technical partner to the now defunct NITEL, guy was living so fly and forming Jesus Christ of his family, he finally got married when he was in his early 40s and within a year after he got married, the company folded as NITEL could no longer meet up with the financial obligations.

The company gave him severance package alongside the official car he was using. Instead of him to take drastic changes, he continued to allow the siblings live with him and still paying the rent of the other flat, didn't repaint the car to give the impression he was still working with the company while hoping to get another job soon. Forward one year later, no job and expired rent. Had to move to a self contain apartment with the wife and daughter while the siblings dispersed. He used the car for taxi but the Peugeot 504 was consuming more than it was earning, he sold it off to at least to feed his family. This man struggled with some health challenges and died 7 years after he got married leaving behind a wife and 3 children, the oldest being 6. The widow sold cooked food at the chemical market Ojota to raise those children.

That is why it is common to hear in Nigeria people saying that their fathers carried the responsibilities of his family of origin but when he died or things became rough for him financially, relatives turned away.

In all, it is not selfishness for the welfare of self and your own children to come first before relatives.

emmaodet:


Hmmmmmmm
Capslocked
These are some of the things my parent use when i don't give them enough from what they demanded.
We are only 3 boys in my family and am the first born.
After graduating and luckily got a job, parent my mum in particular placed a lot of burden and expectations on me.
I roofed there house, furnished it and they moved in. After that demand upon demand upon demand from me.
Gave my uncle who is her junior brother 1m to travel out after mum pestered me, gave her my first car (nissan pathfinder) after pressuring family to give it to her, co-sponsored my junior brother to duabi with 500k - now he is working in a company there earning about 250k per month, sponsored another of her family to dubai again late last year.
The most annoying of all is our last born. She told me he wants to go to Europe and i will need to support with 1m from the 4m he needs while others too will raise money. Told her this venture is not feasible because i know others won't drop any money and i can only give 500k that is comfortable for me. Now she said due to inflation and naira devaluation at black market, we will be needing 5m against the initial 4m and she plans selling my land of 1.5m while i still drop 500k making 2m in total.
My wife sparked that enough is enough. Wetin, kilode, se a man so eran meran ki ikan kan ikan pa ni - why would we tie two rams together while one kills the other. Oko o kin je ti baba ti omo ko ma ni ala - No matter the family bond, there should always be a demarcation between a father's land and his son. Never you merge it together.
Funny enough, i had the intention of selling the land several times before but my mum insisted i shouldn't sell it but build it but now that she needs money, the land can be sold.
Whenever i say No to there financial requests, she will start shouting and crying that she knows how she suffered on us, what she went through to train us, hiw she collected loans and cooperatives to make sure we become somebody in life but now that it is time for us to pay back, for her to sit down and start eating the fruits of her labour, we are always complaining.
That if we are considerate, even before she ask for A, we should have provided A B C because of her sacrifice on us, all this she will be saying after calling family meeting on my head with church pastors to mediate on it.
I can't even count the numbers of time pastors and family members have come to mediate on these issues.
Funny enough, it's not as if she is doing bad. She is a headmistress in govt. school earning about 170k per month and with the new minimum wage, she should earn 200k while dad retired as VP in secondary school and taking pension of 70k.
Our 3rd born is on my monthly pay of 20k per month yet always complaining that she is not enjoying me again especially since i got married, that i hardly give lump sum of maybe 100/200k unlike now that i always grumble before giving 20k.
I am really tired Capslocked. Really tired.
I'm working but i hardly buy clothes for myself or use good car or furnished my apartment to taste.
It has always been responsibilities upon responsibilities.

Kekereekun123:
My mother was called stingy mean and evil for investing while sometimes neglecting us tho she tried her best. Today i dont hate her anymore as she has never asked me for money since i started working. A lot of my colleagues once salary comes parents and siblings chop over 60 to 70%. Lucky for my my mum has rental income and is enjoying her retirement. People should be wise o

MMotimo:


Mba, I no dey do but threads like this are along the same line so he who has ears should listen.

During this 1 month lockdown, for anyone that has had to beg and/or lie to feed their kids, this is the wake up call you’ve been waiting for that you are not doing well financially and need to stop/suspend having more kids.

emmaodet:


Hmmmmmmm
Capslocked
These are some of the things my parent use when i don't give them enough from what they demanded.
We are only 3 boys in my family and am the first born.
After graduating and luckily got a job, parent my mum in particular placed a lot of burden and expectations on me.
I roofed there house, furnished it and they moved in. After that demand upon demand upon demand from me.
Gave my uncle who is her junior brother 1m to travel out after mum pestered me, gave her my first car (nissan pathfinder) after pressuring family to give it to her, co-sponsored my junior brother to duabi with 500k - now he is working in a company there earning about 250k per month, sponsored another of her family to dubai again late last year.
The most annoying of all is our last born. She told me he wants to go to Europe and i will need to support with 1m from the 4m he needs while others too will raise money. Told her this venture is not feasible because i know others won't drop any money and i can only give 500k that is comfortable for me. Now she said due to inflation and naira devaluation at black market, we will be needing 5m against the initial 4m and she plans selling my land of 1.5m while i still drop 500k making 2m in total.
My wife sparked that enough is enough. Wetin, kilode, se a man so eran meran ki ikan kan ikan pa ni - why would we tie two rams together while one kills the other. Oko o kin je ti baba ti omo ko ma ni ala - No matter the family bond, there should always be a demarcation between a father's land and his son. Never you merge it together.
Funny enough, i had the intention of selling the land several times before but my mum insisted i shouldn't sell it but build it but now that she needs money, the land can be sold.
Whenever i say No to there financial requests, she will start shouting and crying that she knows how she suffered on us, what she went through to train us, hiw she collected loans and cooperatives to make sure we become somebody in life but now that it is time for us to pay back, for her to sit down and start eating the fruits of her labour, we are always complaining.
That if we are considerate, even before she ask for A, we should have provided A B C because of her sacrifice on us, all this she will be saying after calling family meeting on my head with church pastors to mediate on it.
I can't even count the numbers of time pastors and family members have come to mediate on these issues.
Funny enough, it's not as if she is doing bad. She is a headmistress in govt. school earning about 170k per month and with the new minimum wage, she should earn 200k while dad retired as VP in secondary school and taking pension of 70k.
Our 3rd born is on my monthly pay of 20k per month yet always complaining that she is not enjoying me again especially since i got married, that i hardly give lump sum of maybe 100/200k unlike now that i always grumble before giving 20k.
I am really tired Capslocked. Really tired.
I'm working but i hardly buy clothes for myself or use good car or furnished my apartment to taste.
It has always been responsibilities upon responsibilities.

emmaodet:


Hmmmmmmm
Capslocked
These are some of the things my parent use when i don't give them enough from what they demanded.
We are only 3 boys in my family and am the first born.
After graduating and luckily got a job, parent my mum in particular placed a lot of burden and expectations on me.
I roofed there house, furnished it and they moved in. After that demand upon demand upon demand from me.
Gave my uncle who is her junior brother 1m to travel out after mum pestered me, gave her my first car (nissan pathfinder) after pressuring family to give it to her, co-sponsored my junior brother to duabi with 500k - now he is working in a company there earning about 250k per month, sponsored another of her family to dubai again late last year.
The most annoying of all is our last born. She told me he wants to go to Europe and i will need to support with 1m from the 4m he needs while others too will raise money. Told her this venture is not feasible because i know others won't drop any money and i can only give 500k that is comfortable for me. Now she said due to inflation and naira devaluation at black market, we will be needing 5m against the initial 4m and she plans selling my land of 1.5m while i still drop 500k making 2m in total.
My wife sparked that enough is enough. Wetin, kilode, se a man so eran meran ki ikan kan ikan pa ni - why would we tie two rams together while one kills the other. Oko o kin je ti baba ti omo ko ma ni ala - No matter the family bond, there should always be a demarcation between a father's land and his son. Never you merge it together.
Funny enough, i had the intention of selling the land several times before but my mum insisted i shouldn't sell it but build it but now that she needs money, the land can be sold.
Whenever i say No to there financial requests, she will start shouting and crying that she knows how she suffered on us, what she went through to train us, hiw she collected loans and cooperatives to make sure we become somebody in life but now that it is time for us to pay back, for her to sit down and start eating the fruits of her labour, we are always complaining.
That if we are considerate, even before she ask for A, we should have provided A B C because of her sacrifice on us, all this she will be saying after calling family meeting on my head with church pastors to mediate on it.
I can't even count the numbers of time pastors and family members have come to mediate on these issues.
Funny enough, it's not as if she is doing bad. She is a headmistress in govt. school earning about 170k per month and with the new minimum wage, she should earn 200k while dad retired as VP in secondary school and taking pension of 70k.
Our 3rd born is on my monthly pay of 20k per month yet always complaining that she is not enjoying me again especially since i got married, that i hardly give lump sum of maybe 100/200k unlike now that i always grumble before giving 20k.
I am really tired Capslocked. Really tired.
I'm working but i hardly buy clothes for myself or use good car or furnished my apartment to taste.
It has always been responsibilities upon responsibilities.