There is no debate about this at all, for a team that has scored 1,466 goals in 883 matches and kept 292 clean sheet and even went ahead to beat liverpool 4-nil, juventus are in trouble if they meet honestly. in fact ronaldo is second player with the most assist in juve compared to manchester city where an average midfielder has at least 10 assist. honestly if juve wins champions league, they should just put asterisk**

mad ooooo
even cr7 knows, thats why he is praying for madrid reunion thinking Madrid can shock city and also his plan b is scoring above 6 goals in the remaining 5 matches in seria a so that he would top lewa and win the golden shoe award and stand a chance of winning d ballon d or...

Messi and Cr7 can not spear head Barcelona and Juventus win the UCL...

This Man city or Bayern time.

honestly, manchester city will obliterate juve, i think if madrid manage to beat city. they will face a tough time beating juve cause of their defensive abilites and ramos would be overworked cause of ronaldo and dybala and higuain will be free to poach. but you are right i dont see barca and juve going far in this tornament

How can Madrid win at Eitihad Stadium still baffles me.
That Man city team is well oiled. There players are back. They will beat Madrid home and away.
Coming to Juve, Juve is a team with very physical players. Rinaldo could nick a header off Laporte, so some sort......
The problem Juve will have is if they start Delight......
We need to watch Juve vs Lyon first to see where they stand.
Mancity is the team to beat, since Liverpool are no more. Barca is a shadow of themselves.....
What if Juve play a Cantenaccio game against Mancity.......I believe Sarri can do that.

Juventus should beat Lyon first.

Juventus can't beat Lyon and Madrid can't beat man city.

Juventus need two goals over Lyon to win, which I don't think will be possible.