DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

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DrLiveLogic:
Meanwhile,

#BONUS#
DID YOU KNOW?
That angels are not sons of God in the true sense of the word. Now before you come at me, chill out! and grab a cup of coffee, uh, no, no, soda's better. LMAO. I know you wanna refer me to Job 1:3 and Genesis 6:2&4 where they're called sons of God. You're right. Even the Hebrew word, 'Ben' used to address the angels is the original word for 'son'. Prolly know all that. But!!!....what you didn't know about the Hebrew word used for sons is more important. That word 'Ben' meaning son is used by the Hebrews in a way that's too much for our English of today to convey. It doesn't just refer to a male child like in English, but actually refers to a male child who is fully grown and able to take full responsibility for the family in His father's stead - a delegate or ambassador of the family. It is for the one who can speak when the father is absent and his word stands as if it were the father's.
In hebrew culture, a male child will officially attain sonship at the age of thirty and will have been thoroughly trained in the legacy of the family prior. We see then that the son arises from both procreation and then maturity/training for delegation.
This is the original Hebrew concept of the word son. However just as language often develops, the word 'Ben' was later derived to be applied to delegates or representatives in general even without blood ties. So we would call employees acting in a company as representatives the sons of that company or its owner even though having no blood ties. Mere servants, depending on their status, could therefore be called 'Ben' (sons) in the sense of delegates.
In this sense, before Abraham had a child of his, Isaac(Jesus typology), he called Eleazar out of all his employees, the son of his house, Genesis 15:3.
Also Priest Eli's boys, as well as many others through scripture were called 'sons of Belial', 1Sam 2:12, Judg 19: 22, because they represented Belial's legacy. Job was called the greatest of the sons of the East, Job 1:3 as in those to be reckoned in the Eastern region. Many who served prophets were called sons of the prophets, 1Kin 20:35, 2 Kings 2:3, though having no blood ties with the prophet. Leviathan, is called King of all the sons of pride.
Job 41:34 He is seen in all haughty ones and is king over all the sons of pride

All the above are not son-father relationships but more like official or role-based relationships, say, servant-master.
It is in this derived sense of 'Ben' and not the original, that certain angels who had a high status to represent the Godhead as delegates were called sons of God. It has nothing to do with having the Godhead DNA. Only members of the Godhead have this, found in the blood of Jesus, which he died to gift humanity so Adam will fulfill his destiny of becoming a son of God. Hence in NT, Jesus is distinctly called the 'only-begotten' son of God (the only one having the DNA, no angel does) i.e. a son in the original sense of the Hebrew word. Angels are mere servants and delegates but Jesus acts the role of servant and true Son(in the true sense).

PS: Look out for the sequel thread soon where I unravel the mystery of the 3- in-1 and 1-in-3 Godhead in the simplest and practical explanation.

DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

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MuttleyLaff:


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"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God"
- Romans 8:14

The angels weren't in any sense, sons of God. Period

It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are

DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

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Csonice1:
your first sentence is true, I don't know about the other ones.

from the first sentence, I can assure you that the Spirit of God (the Spirit of Christ) leads the angels of God. refer to Ezekiel's vision of God.

1. Genesis6:2&4 There was a difference between the sons of God and the daughters of men. any source saying that they are all humans is questionable.

2. Job1:6,2:1 Satan came together with them, remember who Satan was before he lost his office and became an accuser of the brethren. The Bible here is talking about angels.

3. Job38:7 man had not been created when the sons of God shouted for joy: when God was creating the Earth.

MuttleyLaff:
I reiterate that angels aren't in any sense, sons of God. Period

It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are.

Now if in circa Genesis 6:2&4 there were sons of God and the daughters of men, then there equally would have been daughters of God and the sons of men.

As for Job 38:7, reading the verse contextually, shows it is talking of the creation, where the celestial being sun and moon are the sons of God. The "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon

Do you know that, God, is called the Father of lights? (i.e. Father of the constellation, the sun and the moon)

Csonice1:
don't make me think you are not a Christian.
I remain silent here.

Whats that meant to mean?
Deal with the truth advanced you, and refrain from going to make off tangent comments

DrLiveLogic:
Soon: Look! Up in the sky, riding on clouds. It's son of Man, it's son of God, it's, it's.....the Logos!!

We all prolly saw the movie Spiderman back in, guess '02, featuring Toby McGuire as Spidey cum Peter Parker. Now if at any point in the movie you saw Toby, you wouldn't call him Toby but Peter when human and Spidey when he transforms. Yet the truth remains whether Spidey or Peter, he would in reality always be Toby. Obvious?

##Toby(Logos)- Peter(Son of Man)-Spidey(Son of God)##

Well it seems so many have trouble grasping this simple fact in the realities of the universe. There is the One who before creation was simply called the Logos, who created the universe but remained hidden from creation in the Father's bosom, John 1:18, until the time to act His role in creation came. What role was he to act? The Son of God. So we can title this real life movie being acted during the time span of creation: "Son of God". But just as for Toby to act Spidey, he must first act as Peter, so the Logos must first act Son of Man before transforming to Son of God.
As son of Man/Adam, he is an unblemished Adam, free from the fall, being formed from his divine Logos-substrate which generated his pure blood type, hence had to come through a virgin. Yet the omnipotence in his Logos-substrate was kept sealed up only to be unveiled if he passed the test of pure sacrificial obedience that Adam failed. In this state, his full divine abilities were therefore sealed up and he only experienced his divine nature and attributes, hence less than the Father, depending on Him. After he passed the test, he was then resurrected by the unlocking of his omnipotence in his Logos-substrate inside him and became the Son of God, Romans 1:4
As Son of God, he now was set free from his limitations as son of Man, having his full omnipotence of his Father unleashed from his Logos-substrate, lacking nothing found in the Father and is the full representation/image of the Father. However, even as Son of God having full privileges with God, he is still less than the Father. Why? Because this is simply a role he came to take for the creation, Adam, so that through him, all in Adam can experience full privileges of the Godhead. Through his union with all men, i.e. Him being in them and taking over every part, they experience this same state of Son of God. Hence son of God is for the creature not for the creator and the position is subject under the Godhead. The Logos is only helping man to achieve what he could never in his own ability.
This was God's destiny for Adam, to be a son of God/image of God. God who calls things that aren't yet as though they are already said to Adam "You are gods, all sons of Elyon..." as per Adam's destiny which was yet to be realised but unfortunately Adam failed to fulfill this, God says "...but you will die just as a Man", Psalm 82:6. So God Himself had to come help Man become God. Who else could make men experience being God but God Himself. No angel could give man that experience as they've never had it but only the Logos. It's His part in the real life movie.
However, He is still ultimately and always was the Logos and as Logos, not only has equal privileges with the Father but is equal with the Father, neither being the greater or less, first before the other, but both equally First and Last, Alpha and Omega, Revelation 1:11

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MuttleyLaff:
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Whats that meant to mean?
Deal with the truth advanced you, and refrain from going to make off tangent comments

Csonice1:
Since you are desperate for an answer,

Csonice1:
I will answer you but you have to be sincere and ready to learn.

Csonice1:
Firstly, you said that the sons of God in those verses were special kind of men (I wonder where you got that from)

Csonice1:
Now again you are saying that God is the Father of constellations; are we in an astrology class

Csonice1:

[s]CHAPTER1: THEY ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT
Like I pointed out earlier(from your comment): it's true that as many as are led by the spirit, they are the sons of God: and I was telling you that if that's the criteria for becoming the sons of God (and of course it is)
then, angels are the sons of God
[Ezekiel 1:4-20, Ezekiel 10:20] [/s]

Csonice1:

CHAPTER2: THERE IS NO MALE OR FEMALE
you were having issue understanding Genesis 6:1,2,4.
Now this is the truth:There is no male or female in the Kingdom of Heaven; especially amongst angels. All Angels are usually addressed as masculine, besides I've not come across a female angel so to speak. (not in the Bible)
Now I'm going to give us scriptural witnesses which I'm going to quote at length, to add context to it:

Luke 20:35-38
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him."
second witness;

Galatians3:26-28
"26:For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith
27:For as many [of you] as were baptized into Christ [into a spiritual union and communion with Christ, the Anointed One, the Messiah] have put on (clothed yourselves with) Christ.
28:There is [now no distinction] neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

angels are prohibited from marrying, and are all addressed as sons by their Maker who knows the truth stated above.
Moreover, when their offsprings emerged, it was obvious that they weren't Just humans.

Csonice1:
CHAPTER3: FAST FORWARD TO RECENT HISTORY (IN THE SAME VENUE)
As for Job 1:6, Job 2:1-7, the sons of God stated here are Angels.

This event happened in God's presence and later in history, another event occured.
Revelation 12:7-12
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Csonice1:
CHAPTER 4:THE MORNING STAR
Having said much already: I will make Job 38:7 breif (hope you will understand)
The morning Star is an office in heaven; whosoever qualifies for it occupies it.
Satan was an occupant of that office, till he disqualified himself.
Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! (morning star) how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Now Jesus is the overseer over that office.
Revelation 22:16
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star
[ for other angelic offices read
Revelation 1:20, Revelation 9:1-2 compare with Revelation 20:1-3]

CHAPTER5:THE FATHER OF LIGHTS
God is not the Father of constellations as you know it. He is the Father of lights and that light is recorded in John1:4&5
"1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men."

With all I've said, angels are sons of God. However, there is a Hierachy.
shalom.

MuttleyLaff:
For DrLiveLogic and any interested interlocutor(s):

1/ Name who principally or primary are in the Godhead (i.e. Elohim) of Genesis 1:27
2/ At what point did God, the Spirit become God the Father, what point did the Word, (i.e. Logos) become the Son, and what point did the seven distinct expression of the God, the Spirit, become the Holy Spirit?
3/ Is God resigned and/or limited to just Three Persons?
4/ What is God's name? What is the implication of this name that God didnt reveal to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
5/ Is the answer given in #4a above really God's personal name?
6/ What fundamental problems was God solving that necessitated the creation of mankind? (i.e. A&E and their progeny)
7/ Did God have an objective to achieve and purpose for creating A&E?
8/ Would you agree that "Though this be madness, yet there is method in it?"
9/ Is it hard or impossible for God to project Himself out, so to simultaneously and/or concurrently exist on earth and Heaven?
10/ Give two examples of a Being that has demonstrated the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire. In other words, here is one from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26, so please give your two different examples please

Csonice1:


I love this.
you are Blessed.

KNOWMORE56:



The Almighty will reveal greater things to you, IJN.
Thanks so much for the post.

Even the 8 men in New York (they call them GB) know that Jesus is the true God.

DappaD:


Lol... Sure... And your Trinitarian cohorts who have varying definitions of this ‘trinity god’ of yours have already come here giving you some sort of accolades

I guess you also saw this movie then: The Matrix(1999) — so why not also compare your ‘trinity god’ to that Keanu Reeves guy since you’re all about the place making comparisons between God and a fictional movie?

I don’t think this has been sounded enough–or maybe I should tell you–the God that JW’s worship is different from all other worthless gods–this your trinity god included. (Micah 4:5)

Blabbermouth:
It's a bitter truth to some but at the end of the day, it is what it is - Trinity is unbiblical.
The only issue I have with JW's stand in the Trinity or No Trinity doctrine is them falsely equating Jesus with Angel Michael.
That's outrageously false!!!

haddeylium:


Why not let the author have it say? Why trying so hard to fit this into your own personal idea?

Plainly
That they may be one 'as'(syn; same extent or degree, in manner or role) 'we are one'
Where do you lift your coexisting from the beginning and theirs much more powerful?..lol

Compare with John 17;21- 'That they may also be one in us'...so, what's the degree of the powerful now?
Following ur interpretation of the verse- it's right to say they have been coexisting from the beginning too right?...Since they are all one now..lol

Unsolicited Tips in Understanding the Bible
We should let the Bible and not our personal opinion guide our thinking
Compare text with other statement that deals with the same subject
And Let go of the thought of Bible being a mystery; God words says it's clear and understandable.
You just need following the right channel
Thank you

DrLiveLogic:

You guys used to claim that it was neither biblical nor sensible to believe the Triune One. I have shown you biblical evidence no single one of you have been able to refute till date, with more coming, and now I want you to see the sense of this message.

Maximus69:


Look at the below picture, the people are all well dressed and they're all looking good but see what each person has in mind,

johnw47:


false jw mad max

you also post pictures of well dressed looking good false jw's
but what is on their minds?
well we can know that impure and prideful things are on their minds
by the impure and prideful things on your mind:

1. telling the world how your wife trivina loves to play with your penis
2. telling of how you shave your wife trivinas's pussy
2. boasting-lying of how single handed you could destroy 6 military combatants
4. non stop lying
etc. etc. etc.


and that woman in your pic with shoes-clothes on her mind, just like you false jw's have on your minds
and the man with money on his mind, you used to accuse me of being poor and you would
brag how you could buy your wife expensive gifts,

hypercrite and habitual liar of course:

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Joh 8:44  You come from your father, the devil, and you desire to do what your father wants you to do. The devil was a murderer from the beginning. He has never been truthful. He doesn't know what the truth is. Whenever he tells a lie, he's doing what comes naturally to him. He's a liar and the father of lies.

Maximus69:
It's OK Mr John!

DrLiveLogic:

Sorry bro. You just don't know the truth. While Emusan is doing a good job on his thread rubbishing the popular JW Johannine comma refutation, the whole scripture is replete with the message of a triune God. Before I even take you further, let me ask what your stance on the Triune Godhead is in explicit terms. Plus, you seem to have a really hard time with foreknowledge and predestination which shouldn't be that complicated actually. Maybe we'd look into that since I'm planning on a related thread soon.

MuttleyLaff:
Listen here, and listen pretty good, my dear friend, I am not the least desperate for any of your pontificating answer, I can see below you reeled out, but I simply and actually was amused over how you meant with your "don't make me think you are not a Christian" uneducated remark

Puffed up with conceit, is God's gift to men who know enough to think they’re right, but not enough to know they're wrong. Pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes

johnw47:

unstable false jw mad max
noticed you cannot refute anything i said, oh impure puffed up know nothing liar hypercrite , laugh

Csonice1:
I think I have an idea of what humility is about; but humility is not when you lie that you don't have what God has given you; whenever you come across a true learner of God's word( not those trying to tailor it to fit 'em ) you become edified, and there are witnesses in God's Word as a proof of His teaching.

Csonice1:
While you are busy celebrating your victory in arguments on nairaland, truly humble people are ready to go back to God, the source of Wisdom and ask questions (humbly), interact with His Word; prayerfully, as touching his insight, revelation and clarity. And behold, He even expounds it greater to such a one by His Word; so that a human like Paul can say "Brethren, I don't want to have you ignorant"

I learn only from the Word, and any one who teaches the Word truly. it can be discerned, I must tell you. I don't believe in opinions. God's Word is not limited to human views.

Csonice1:
Now concerning rape; what does the Bible say about rape without any alarm raised? .The ladies consented to it, it wasn't rape. God had to wipe them all off.

Csonice1:
I don't see any need to answer the rest :
The answers you seek are up there and most importantly, in God's Word.

MuttleyLaff:
You have no idea what the word humility means. You are more puffed than a puff adder. Need I go on? Need I say more?

Yinmu, be deceiving yourself there

Face palm and smh. Are you really spewing this hogwash, hmm? You really think it was because of rape, that the Noahide flood happened, hmm? Wetin Musa no go hear from miguard gate house? Do you at all understand the implication of Genesis 6:3? How long God long suffered in silence for before the flood happened. Did God, being a Just and Fair God, not give an escape route plus get-out-of-jail free pass, hmm?

Your self conceit, biblical truth decay, shortcomings and inadequacies wouldn't allow you admit that you need to 2 Timothy 2:15 seek answers

You are in desperately dire need of answers a lot more than I do my friend

Maximus69:


There is nothing to refute nah!

Csonice1:
I forgive you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen.

johnw47:


unstable false jw mad max

nothing to refute, OK
so you agree with me that:
we can know that impure and prideful things are on the minds
of false jw's because impure and prideful things are on your mind

like in:
1. telling the world how your wife trivina loves to play with your penis
2. telling of how you shave your wife trivinas's pussy
2. boasting-lying of how single handed you could destroy 6 military combatants
4. non stop lying
etc. etc. etc.

and you agree with me that:
the woman in your pic with shoes-clothes on her mind, is the same as you false jw's have on your minds

and you agree with me that:
the man with money on his mind, is the same as you who used to accuse me of being poor and you would
brag how you could buy your wife expensive gifts,

unstable mad max, you are as duh as unintelligent lie lie rozz

MuttleyLaff:
You cracked me up yesterday, leaving me bursting out in laughter on the public walkway reading this comment and especially the last sentence above. Can I borrow using the phrase "buda is a notorious conman of words. He is like a colorful toad, attractive but poisonous," Wow. You dont worry, as I will credit you as the originator of the phrase if/whenever I get to re-use it

"Angels only take human forms when on assignment from God. Except being on official assignment, celestial beings never take on form that look or resembles human beings. This is part of the reasons, why no one has ever seen physically Satan or seen a demon. I repeat that only human beings were given the mandate to procreate, never celestial beings also known as angels."
- Re: Who Said Angels Don't Have Sexual Feelings? by MuttleyLaff: 12:43pm On Feb 09

Unless a spirit is sent on an official assignment by God to one, one will never ever physically see the spirit. Though spirits might be about where one is, one will never ever physically with eye natural vision see such spirits, except a type of 2 Kings 6:17 "O LORD, please open his eyes that he may see" Elisha prayer is answered


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb8KZps4woA
Those arent brothers in the above video, that's one person, that is Agent Smith, from the film Matrix
Just look at that kkins\25! Beautiful isnt it? That's child play for God to do, meaning easy for God to do more than one place at the same time within the same dimension or multi dimension

kkins\25, did you see how Agent Smith was multiplying? Did you watch him being in more than one place at the same time within the same dimension, hmm?
Is it far fetch or difficult to believe, that God can do more and better than multiplying Himself like done by Agent Smith, in that sci-fi film, erhn? Is it something hard for God to as well do, huh?

"“Where have you come from?” the LORD asked Satan. Satan answered the LORD, “I have been patrolling the earth, watching everything that’s going on.”"
- Job 1:7

"As I was praying, Gabriel, (i.e. angel) whom I had seen in the earlier vision, came swiftly to me at the time of the evening sacrifice"
- Daniel 9:21

As far as, I am aware, two places at the same time within the same dimension or multi dimension, is an exclusive right of only one particular Spirit alone, and tha happens to mean, only God alone, can pull this kind of stunt.

Spirits, also known as celestial beings and/or angels, who can fly faster than the speed of light and so be anywhere at the drop of the hat (i.e. as noted in Job 1:7 and Daniel 9:21 above)

Rewinding time, isnt just like that going to solve the existing problem kkins\25. Sweeping things under the carpet, just isnt to fix or address the existing problems kkins\25 and you know that

You would have been correct and right if you had said or used "another eudaemon, eudaimon or eudemon of a wordsmith MuttleyLaff" You're a smart guy, so I am sure you'll go figure that out what eudaemon, eudaimon or eudemon is, lol

"The place where they serve is a sketch and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary, just as Moses was warned by God as he was about to complete the tabernacle. For he says, "See that you make everything according to the design shown to you on the mountain."
- Hebrews 8:5

kkins\25, I am sure you are aware that everything or earth is an image and likeness of what is in the Godhood. God doesnt need a physical body to feel the real and original emotion kkins\25, is the point being made. OK?

They take on human form, as in appear looking human beings when making visitations

I have shed some light on this quite a few times, but time isnt an ally. I am already as it is, late in stepping out, so watch this space kkins\25, I will revist this section, possibly later on today, like in the late PM

You need a broken spirit in addition to a broken and contrite heart. When I make the revisit, you'll get a clearer picture of what all this means, so again I'll advise to watch this space kkkins\25 I've got you bud, I have your back buddy.

Nah, sorry. Like it or lump it, God is Omniscient, remember

One doesnt need physical eyes to see all things now kkins\25. C'mon, whats the matter with you man.

DappaD:
I didn't want to revisit this
But nobody is putting limit on God oga
Jehovah God is ONE Spirit Being and not a multidimensional entity. (Deuteronomy 6:4)
Imagine you were even comparing God to a guy in an action movie, the Matrix. The height of disrespect

DappaD:
Lol... Sure... And your Trinitarian cohorts who have varying definitions of this ‘trinity god’ of yours have already come here giving you some sort of accolades

I guess you also saw this movie then: The Matrix(1999) — so why not also compare your ‘trinity god’ to that Keanu Reeves guy since you’re all about the place making comparisons between God and a fictional movie?

I don’t think this has been sounded enough–or maybe I should tell you–the God that JW’s worship is different from all other worthless gods–this your trinity god included. (Micah 4:5)

DrLiveLogic:
1/ Father, Word and Spirit
2/ Father, Word and Spirit have no beginning. But the Word became Son of Man in the incarnation.
3/ Depends on your definition of 'person'. But if you take your soul as one person, YHWH is one person too. The 3 are aspects of this one person.
4/ Don't know what you're getting at but there are many names referred to as God's. Depends on the frame you want it.
5/ N/A
6/I don't understand you or how this connects to subject of thread. Maybe you should tell
7/ As explained, the destiny of Man is to have the experience of the Godhead, not merely the angelic or supernatural.
8/ Not understood.
9/ When you see Father and Word in heaven and Word as Son on earth at the same time, you should be satisfied. John 3:13.
10/ Don't see the essence of this. If your examples are true, then we can go with them, can't we?

MuttleyLaff:
It's not enough that you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Amen, forgive others, but you have to be able to forgive yourself too, especially for your ignorance, slander, under education and lack of depth. You must first forgive yourself, in order to forgive others, so forgive yourself first, before ever thinking of forgiving anyone else. Forgive yourself for yourself for not knowing better. Forgive yourself for not knowing what you should already know. Forgive yourself for the mistake of advancing the eisegesis, that angels had sexual intercourse with female human beings. Csonice1, forgive yourself for slandering the angelic hosts of heaven. Forgive yourself for judging in the first place.

Look 'ere my dear friend, I earlier made you an offer, you can't refuse and it was for every Bible verse, you are able to lay your hands on, that, in a clear and detailed manner, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, shows angels presenting themselves before God, I'll match with an incontrovertible bible verse that solidly supports, that, it is human beings presenting and who present themselves before God, and this, so to give you the opportunity to know that sons of God in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1, are human beings presenting themselves before God, with Satan joining with invitation, and not angels, as you have incorrectly learned them to be, but what happened.

You are all mouth but no trousers and religiously talking out of turn

MuttleyLaff:
I reiterate that angels aren't in any sense, sons of God. Period

It wasn't angels, in Genesis 6:2&4, Job 1:6, Job 2:1 or even Job 38:7 that are called sons of God, but it is peculiar human beings that are.

Now if in circa Genesis 6:2&4 there were sons of God and the daughters of men, then there equally would have been daughters of God and the sons of men.

As for Job 38:7, reading the verse contextually, shows it is talking of the creation, where the celestial being sun and moon are the sons of God. The "the morning stars" and "the sons of God", in Job 38:7, are metaphors, respectively for constellations & the sun and moon

Do you know that, God, is called the Father of lights? (i.e. Father of the constellation, the sun and the moon)