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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by VULCAN(m): 11:56am On Sep 02, 2020
It is your type whose thinking is controlled by what authorities say.

Nothing new or original. Always parroting what you were told.

If you read to understand like you want others to do you would have seen where i said building refineries is a good thing.

But like Buhari anything that doesn't immediately praise sing you is an attack.

I laugh at your ignorant statement with our present level of industrialisation when the basis of industrialisation is the ability to produce metal. Or did you skip that class in school? Without steel, there is no industrialisation at all.

The industrial age which was well over two hundred years ago was not characterised by the refining of crude but by developments in the production of Iron on a massive scale.

Like most Nigerian technocrats you seek to copy and paste without a deep understanding of the environment you are pasting to.

Perhaps you think that the concrete we produce and use to build in Nigeria is the best we can do. Concrete without steel. Something that is 2000 year old technology. Shame!

A country that failed to develop steel industries but is thirsting after private refineries. Sad

FYI. The wonder that is Dubai could not have existed without steel, yet they were refining before importing steel from Kuwait and then building their own.

Perhaps if you were there you would have told them to keep depending on imported steel since the refinery was all they needed to Prosper.

Why did they build massive steel mills when they wanted to industralise?

You're the type that failed at arithmetic but wants to argue with people about calculus.

First Things First

fulanimafia:


Read to understand and not argue.

How much do we currently spend daily on steel importation compared to Petroleum imports?

What is the present domestic demand for steel in Nigeria considering our present level of industrialization?

Do you understand the concept of comparative advantage in production?

When you have this basic information, we can start from there.

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by TrebleChamp(m): 12:12pm On Sep 02, 2020
darfay:
Too bad


The hausas have monopolized our oil first dangote and now this? They successful frustrated others out of this. A wealthy urhobo dude wanted to go into a Jv to set up a refinery in Delta state but the Hausa cabals frustrated him and oh the guy is dead now.
Keep blaming Hausa, when our brother was their how many our people thought about building refineries in our region or anywhere? Even Asari who made his money tru militancy went and build his school in Cotonou. When Tafa Balogun, Ihejirika and other southerners who have held key positions where they, how many of our people did they help get into their agencies? Na that time dem go dey form uncle welcome tinz..

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by Tugee: 12:12pm On Sep 02, 2020
This plant will be completed before the Dangote fraudulent plant.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by CodeTemplar: 12:15pm On Sep 02, 2020
Yankee101:


I said the fastest way to innovate is to copy. Ask China. You think the US didn't conceal innovation before China stole them?

Read about industrial espionage. You're talking like a child or an uninformed person
Copy secrets? You must be a child.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by phantom24: 12:24pm On Sep 02, 2020
Hunchogee:

Really, so you are an Akwa-Ibomite?
Wonders they say......
yes that's why i'm always better positioned to correct you when you make false claims about the govt. meanwhile stop following me about.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by dalass(f): 12:29pm On Sep 02, 2020
fulanimafia:


Is Dangote also enjoying govt backing in the several other countries he is doing business and excelling?

You sometimes need to stop following the bandwagon, think for yourself and emancipate yourself from mental slavery.

You're the one in mental slavery.... With the kind of money your billionaires control, why is the north still poverty stricken, disease ridden and the most backwards region in the country... Insecurity abounds because most of your youths are poor and unemployable with no skills.

Many are in the south who travelled just to come and beg here... How many southerners are in the north begging? undecided so you're the ones who need emancipation from mental slavery

This northern government must stop arm twisting southerners only to favour Northerners.... Dangote made his billions in dollars from Nigeria and many times when he started viz, he was given sole license to import some commodities while frustrating others from same biz to give him an edge over them.

Even the northern borders are wide open. But southwest borders are still close just to make sure we don't buy cheap food from neighboring countries and we're forced to buy stony rubbish and expensive foodstuffs from the north, just because they can't survive without the southern money as usual. Bunch of perpetual parasites

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by Cherez: 12:45pm On Sep 02, 2020
fulanimafia:


There is nothing wrong in copying success.

Between both of them, we would have a refining capacity of over 850,000 barrels per day in a few years (our total domestic demand is just over 400k/day) leaving a whole lot for forex-earning export which will drive a dramatic fall in the Naira exchange rate with positive multiplier effects on the economy.

We need more Abdulsamad's and Aliko's in this country to build more factories and refineries for the economic development of Nigeria through job creation, import substitution, forex generation etc.
Honestly
These two guys are trying, this is super-growth

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by fulanimafia: 12:46pm On Sep 02, 2020
dalass:


You're the one in mental slavery.... With the kind of money your billionaires control, why is the north still poverty stricken, disease ridden and the most backwards region in the country... Insecurity abounds because most of your youths are poor and unemployable with no skills.

Many are in the south who travelled just to come and beg here... How many southerners are in the north begging? undecided so you're the ones who need emancipation from mental slavery

This northern government must stop arm twisting southerners only to favour Northerners.... Dangote made his billions in dollars from Nigeria and many times when he started viz, he was given sole license to import some commodities while frustrating others from same biz to give him an edge over them.

Even the northern borders are wide open. But southwest borders are still close just to make sure we don't buy cheap food from neighboring countries and we're forced to buy stony rubbish and expensive foodstuffs from the north, just because they can't survive without the southern money as usual. Bunch of perpetual parasites

Typical unintelligent bigot regurgitating baseless stale narratives without answering the question. "Parasites" that you depend on for most of your food supply and soon refined petrol. Please spare us your ignorance driven negative energy and answer the simple question:

Which favoritism did Dangote enjoy in other countries where he is excelling in business? Or are they arm-twisting their citizens to favour him too?

If you're asked now to mention a single policy that favoured Northern businessmen, you will start on another illogical trajectory of oafish, bigoted, ignorant utterances with Zero relevance to the discourse.

I don't have time for your pedestrian tripe if you lack an intelligent answer to the emboldened question.

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by dalass(f): 12:54pm On Sep 02, 2020
fulanimafia:


Typical unintelligent bigot regurgitating baseless stale narratives without answering the question.

Spare us your negative energy and answer the simple question: Which favoritism did Dangote enjoy in other countries where he is excelling in business?

If you're asked now to mention a single policy that favoured Northern businessmen you will start on another illogical trajectory of oafish, bigoted utterances with Zero relevance to the discourse.

I don't have time for your pedestrian tripe if you lack an intelligent answer to the emboldened question.

Swerve because I am talking about Nigeria. I don't give a fvck about any other country.... This skewed contraption Nigeria must break if things continue this way.

Is it in other countries that we have only northern Muslims in all security arms of the government? The judiciary and every important federal ministry/ parastatal?

Just stay in your north and develop whatever resources you have there. Stop using FG to defraud south of oil wells and other important strengths we have.. We absolutely don't need you people. Nigeria must break, period!
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by fulanimafia: 1:03pm On Sep 02, 2020
dalass:


Swerve because I am talking about Nigeria. I don't give a fvck about any other country.... This skewed contraption Nigeria must break if things continue this way.

Is it in other countries that we have only northern Muslims in all security arms of the government? The judiciary and every important federal ministry/ parastatal?

Just stay in your north and develop whatever resources you have there. Stop using FG to defraud south of oil wells and other important strengths we have.. We absolutely don't need you people. Nigeria must break, period!

I knew you wouldn't fail to expose the sheer vacuum you carry upstairs.

I drew that analogy to highlight the logical handicap and total irrationality of your ignorant claims. Who brought about disparity in govt appointments in this discourse or are you suffering from attention deficit disorder?

If you claim Dangote's business excellence and domination is due to favoritism and nepotism by the Nigerian government, PLEASE explain to us how come he is also excelling in other African countries (since there are no northern Muslims dominating govt) ...or you can tell us how their government also favours him above their citizens.

Spare me your frustrations with Nigeria as I'm not in the least interested in your political woes, try to think straight on course, and answer intelligently this time.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by dalass(f): 1:06pm On Sep 02, 2020
fulanimafia:


I knew you wouldn't fail to expose the sheer vacuum you carry upstairs.

I drew that analogy to highlight the logical handicap and total irrationality of your ignorant claims. Who brought about disparity in govt appointments in this discourse or are you suffering from attention deficit disorder?

If you claim Dangote's business excellence and domination is due to favoritism and nepotism, PLEASE explain to us how come he is also excelling in other African countries...or you can tell us how their government also favours him above their citizens.

Spare me your frustrations with Nigeria as I'm not in the least interested in your political woes, try to think straight on course, and answer intelligently this time.

I did not read what you wrote as I don't plan to answer any of your stupid questions. If you know so much, go and do something about the problems in your region that makes Nigeria to be called poor and terrorism ridden
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by fulanimafia: 1:11pm On Sep 02, 2020
dalass:


I did not read what you wrote as I don't plan to answer any of your stupid questions. If you know so much, go and do something about the problems in your region that makes Nigeria to be called poor

In that case, stop clowning all over the thread and swallow the brainless claim you vomited yet cannot defend & go to sleep.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by darfay: 1:12pm On Sep 02, 2020
obailala:
Victim mentality, jealousy and ethnic hating has already started this early morning. Please provide details of how, who and when the so called Hausa cabal stopped an Urhobo man or anyone else from setting up a refinery. Since 2016, the FG has literally been begging private individuals and enterprises to come take licenses for modular refineries.... It's not enough to just peddle baseless beer parlour gibberish into the public space as if it were fact. Kindly provide the details of this allegation, and do well to provide the name of the so called wealthy Urhobo man whose refinery was stopped by Hausas. Thanks!


I owe u nothing


Fork off
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by fulanimafia: 1:16pm On Sep 02, 2020
obailala:
Victim mentality, jealousy and ethnic hating has already started this early morning. Please provide details of how, who and when the so called Hausa cabal stopped an Urhobo man or anyone else from setting up a refinery. Since 2016, the FG has literally been begging private individuals and enterprises to come take licenses for modular refineries.... It's not enough to just peddle baseless beer parlour gibberish into the public space as if it were fact. Kindly provide the details of this allegation, and do well to provide the name of the so called wealthy Urhobo man whose refinery was stopped by Hausas. Thanks!

Do you mind them?

One would think they'd be more creative in their excuses for failure.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by fulanimafia: 2:24pm On Sep 02, 2020
VULCAN:
It is your type whose thinking is controlled by what authorities say.

Nothing new or original. Always parroting what you were told.

If you read to understand like you want others to do you would have seen where i said building refineries is a good thing.

But like Buhari anything that doesn't immediately praise sing you is an attack.

I laugh at your ignorant statement with our present level of industrialisation when the basis of industrialisation is the ability to produce metal. Or did you skip that class in school? Without steel, there is no industrialisation at all.

The industrial age which was well over two hundred years ago was not characterised by the refining of crude but by developments in the production of Iron on a massive scale.

Like most Nigerian technocrats you seek to copy and paste without a deep understanding of the environment you are pasting to.

Perhaps you think that the concrete we produce and use to build in Nigeria is the best we can do. Concrete without steel. Something that is 2000 year old technology. Shame!

A country that failed to develop steel industries but is thirsting after private refineries. Sad

FYI. The wonder that is Dubai could not have existed without steel, yet they were refining before importing steel from Kuwait and then building their own.

Perhaps if you were there you would have told them to keep depending on imported steel since the refinery was all they needed to Prosper.

Why did they build massive steel mills when they wanted to industralise?

You're the type that failed at arithmetic but wants to argue with people about calculus.

First Things First



You went off in the wrong direction. I told you to understand the context of Nigeria viz-a-viz our comparative advantage compared to other industrialized countries you're referencing but you failed to adhere.

COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE

Comparative advantage occurs when one country can produce a good or service at a lower opportunity cost than another. This means a country can produce a good relatively cheaper than other countries

The theory of comparative advantage states that if countries specialise in producing goods where they have a lower opportunity cost – then there will be an increase in economic welfare.
Source: https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/comparative-advantage

This is exactly why expanding our refining capacity is a top Priority. Apart from the fact that it makes zero economic sense to be importing petrol when we have huge deposits of crude oil in our backyard giving us comparative advantage, you must understand that stopping the current forex leakage is absolutely critical to stem inflation & trigger any form of economic development.

Nobody is suggesting or implying that the steel industry is not essential to industrialization. Why do you think the massive Ajaokuta steel plant was conceived & successive Govt's have tried to make it work albeit unsuccessfully? However the private investors are characteristically seeking out the best return on investment & refining petroleum for the massive national, sub-regional, continental & global energy market is clearly it for them.

The strategic importance of ending petroleum imports cannot be over-emphasized, especially considering that we spend over $40m daily on imported petroleum (steel imports are nothing near fuel imports); forex that could be saved to strengthen & boost the Naira significantly.

Nigeria is currently at a much greater comparative advantage refining her crude oil than producing steel, and it is a greater strategic priority.

Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by trafftrade(m): 4:34pm On Sep 02, 2020
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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by AustineJohn908(m): 4:53pm On Sep 02, 2020
24SEVEN:


Are you aware BUA also has investments in Rivers?
Yes, I'm aware but are you also aware Rivers is declining and investments that are coming to the Niger Delta are going straight to Akwa ibom?
For eg, we attracted the largest FDI in 2019 just behind Lagos ..we are no 1 in the whole of the Niger delta

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by AustineJohn908(m): 4:54pm On Sep 02, 2020
24SEVEN:


I don't understand why you have quoted me.
Yes I did cause you always said stats showing akwa ibom is doing better than Rivers are just stats and lies
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by 24SEVEN: 5:10pm On Sep 02, 2020
AustineJohn908:
Yes, I'm aware but are you also aware Rivers is declining and investments that are coming to the Niger Delta are going straight to Akwa ibom?
For eg, we attracted the largest FDI in 2019 just behind Lagos ..we are no 1 in the whole of the Niger delta


Mtcheeew

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by AustineJohn908(m): 5:28pm On Sep 02, 2020
24SEVEN:


Mtcheeew
I expected nothing less from you

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by RTSC: 6:10pm On Sep 02, 2020
He is investing close to the source of raw material- Akwaibom.

And with the onne seaport now functioning, he is going to incur significantly less costs than dangote.

He has everything that dangote has at significantly less costs and logistics.

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by obailala(m): 6:16pm On Sep 02, 2020
darfay:



I owe u nothing


Fork off
Lol... After feeding your mind fat with beer parlour hearsay garbage, and coming to public to regurgitate the empty nonsense you swallowed, I obviously wasn't expecting you to be able to give a reasonable response to my question. You didn't surprise me!

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by frog12: 6:26pm On Sep 02, 2020
Dangote get competition. this is GOOD
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by darfay: 6:50pm On Sep 02, 2020
obailala:

Lol... After feeding your mind fat with beer parlour hearsay garbage, and coming to public to regurgitate the empty nonsense you swallowed, I obviously wasn't expecting you to be able to give a reasonable response to my question. You didn't surprise me!


K
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by Nobody: 8:19pm On Sep 02, 2020
To everyone who spoke intelligently in my mention you are appreciated we disagree to agree. To the one with Toxic mouth you are forgiven.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by Cromagnon: 1:31am On Sep 03, 2020
darfay:



Considering how uselessly useless oil is going especially in the next 30yrs, is such capital intensive project still advisable?
is it your investment? You go and invest in your future useful investment na?
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by Wiseoldman: 1:42am On Sep 03, 2020
dokyOloye:

Electric cars are being phased out,some countries already have a deadline of 2030 including for heavy duty vehicles.
Electric trains are becoming more popular,most countries now rely on nuclear sources for their electricity,only Africa and few 3rd world countries are left behind.

Hello bros, I understand you.

The Internet is not a place to argue. I will say I'm an insider in this topic. My last comment is very correct.

Ciao

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Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by XAUBulls: 11:58am On Mar 05, 2023
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by XAUBulls: 12:08pm On Mar 05, 2023
RTSC:
He is investing close to the source of raw material- Akwaibom.

And with the onne seaport now functioning, he is going to incur significantly less costs than dangote.

He has everything that dangote has at significantly less costs and logistics.
Onne port is a river port that is located along the Onne river NOT a seaport.

The only seaports are located in
Lagos State. All other ports located in Calabar, Warri, Onne, Onitsha, etc, are river ports.
Re: BUA Group To Build 200,000bpd Refinery And Petrochemical Plant by XAUBulls: 12:13pm On Mar 05, 2023
AustineJohn908:
Yes, I'm aware but are you also aware Rivers is declining and investments that are coming to the Niger Delta are going straight to Akwa ibom?
For eg, we attracted the largest FDI in 2019 just behind Lagos ..we are no 1 in the whole of the Niger delta

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