Many people have been deceived into thinking that the rapture will happen before the great tribulation. This is a demonic sponsored lie to make people receive the mark of the beast unknowingly. Many people will easily fall for this and accept the mark of the beast since they think the rapture will happen before the great tribulation and what they are about to recieve is just an harmless mark or implant.

The following scriptural verses establishes the fact that the great tribulation will come before the rapture;

Matt 24:29-31
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."


Mark 13:19-20
"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Rev 13:7
"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
The verse above clearly stated that the beast was given power to make war with the saints. Why do you think God would shorten the days of affliction for the elect's sake if the elects are not around anymore? Many people who think they are watching out for the end time will easily accept the mark when the time comes because they think they would have been raptured before the implementation of the mark of the beast.

2 Thess 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Please repent now and turn to Jesus. Live a holy life and pray for grace to stand firm without compromising.
If you are living in sin, confess your sins to the Lord Jesus and ask Him to wash you with His blood, then invite Him into your life.

oranget:
Many people have been deceived into thinking that the rapture will happen before the great tribulation. This is a demonic sponsored lie to make people receive the mark of the beast unknowingly. Many people will easily fall for this and accept the mark of the beast since they think the rapture will happen before the great tribulation and what they are about to recieve is just an harmless mark or implant.

The following scriptural verses establishes the fact that the great tribulation will come before the rapture;

Matt 24:29-31
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."


Mark 13:19-20
"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."

Rev 13:7
"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
The verse above clearly stated that the beast was given power to make war with the saints. Why do you think God would shorten the days of affliction for the elect's sake if the elects are not around anymore? Many people who think they are watching out for the end time will easily accept the mark when the time comes because they think they would have been raptured before the implementation of the mark of the beast.

2 Thess 2:3
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Please repent now and turn to Jesus. Live a holy life and pray for grace to stand firm without compromising.
If you are living in sin, confess your sins to the Lord Jesus and ask Him to wash you with His blood, then invite Him into your life.

You are mixing things up. Read your Bible properly or visit a good seminary.

LordIsaac:

You are mixing things up. Read your Bible properly or visit a good seminary.

What am I mixing up, I will suggest you read the above listed bible verses at least before accusing me of mixing anything up.

Head knowledge takes anyone nowhere.
The Lord expects us to prepare ourselves for His coming. We should rather act on His requirements from us.

oranget:

What am I mixing up, I will suggest you read the above listed bible verses at least before accusing me of mixing anything up.

haha! Bro you just missed the second coming of Christ with the rapture. Read and understand the Bible more.

Nephilim:
haha! Bro you just missed the second coming of Christ with the rapture. Read and understand the Bible more.

Okay, which is the second coming and which is the rapture?
What does this mean then?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
[1]Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[2]not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[3]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[4]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

The duration of the tribulation that the saints have to go through will be for a time, times and half a time which is 3 and a half years. (Read Daniel 12:7)

I'm telling you...

A very demonic teaching...

It will never be well with those left behind Creators, who have also deceived many.

Study your Bible to see the error of Rapture before tribulation...

Nephilim:
haha! Bro you just missed the second coming of Christ with the rapture. Read and understand the Bible more.

Rapture and 2nd coming will occur together... Don't be deceived...

Read the word of God... Read the words of Jesus I'm Matthew 24 :31... I beg you

LordIsaac:

You are mixing things up. Read your Bible properly or visit a good seminary.

Show us where it is in the Bible that clearly states believers will be raptured before the tribulation of the Antichrist.

Stop confusing Antichrist wrath on believers, with God's wrath on the Antichrist and those who collect his mark !

oranget:

Okay, which is the second coming and which is the rapture?
What does this mean then?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-4
[1]Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,
[2]not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.
[3]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
[4]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

lolz! Unless the "falling away" comes first!.

What is the falling away? Do you even have an idea of what that is? Haven't the world fall away already? Don't be deceived the falling away was wrongly connoted and written in the place of "The Catching Away", the man of sin can never be revealed unless there's a catching away of the saints, first of those that sleep in the dust and next of those that are alive! Caught up to God in the Heaven's and taking into the bridal chamber of God for the marriage supper of the lamb.

When the rapture triggers, the whole world will fall into chaos just like what you see of #Endsars but this time at a global scale and then the Antichrist will show face to bring peace and order back to the world, people will obey him but his main agenda is to eradicate the church and the left behind saints which will brought about the great tribulation of the saints.

obonujoker:


Rapture and 2nd coming will occur together... Don't be deceived...

Read the word of God... Read the words of Jesus I'm Matthew 24 :31... I beg you

wrong bro! Go back to your Sunday school class! And read that Matthew 24 again and again and very slowly this time.

obonujoker:
I'm telling you...

A very demonic teaching...

It will never be well with those left behind Creators, who have also deceived many.

Study your Bible to see the error of Rapture before tribulation...

Hollywood used that movie to make the people docile and unprepared for persecution. Can't you see the type of messages they preach?

MESSIAH said His coming will be like in the days of NOAH. In the days of Noah, the wicked were taken by the flood, and the righteous remained on earth. So shall it be.

But evangelicals say the righteous shall be taken and sinners left. The turned truth upside down.

Nephilim:
wrong bro! Go back to your Sunday school class! And read that Matthew 24 again and again and very slowly this time.

Pray tell the different times both events are set to occur with biblical references... Thanks!

Nephilim:
lolz! Unless the "falling away" comes first!.

What is the falling away? Do you even have an idea of what that is? Haven't the world fall away already? Don't be deceived the falling away was wrongly connoted and written in the place of "The Catching Away", the man of sin can never be revealed unless there's a catching away of the saints, first of those that sleep in the dust and next of those that are alive! Caught up to God in the Heaven's and taking into the bridal chamber of God for the marriage supper of the lamb.

When the rapture triggers, the whole world will fall into chaos just like what you see of #Endsars but this time at a global scale and then the Antichrist will show face to bring peace and order back to the world, people will obey him but his main agenda is to eradicate the church and the left behind saints which will brought about the great tribulation of the saints.

Where is left behind in the Bible?? Give scriptures for it...

obonujoker:


Where is left behind in the Bible?? Give scriptures for it...

go and read the parables of Jesus. Parables of the ten virgins, parables of the Kings wedding, etc read with understanding and ask the holyspirit for interpretation.

Nephilim:
go and read the parables of Jesus. Parables of the ten virgins, parables of the Kings wedding, etc read with understanding and ask the holyspirit for interpretation.

You have no scripture bro... Sorry

Whenever Christ was talking about persecution of believers, its always explicit

Well except there's a 3rd coming of Jesus, then maybe your theorem of rapture before tribulation of the ANTICHRIST on the saints, is true

Nephilim:
lolz! Unless the "falling away" comes first!.

What is the falling away? Do you even have an idea of what that is? Haven't the world fall away already? Don't be deceived the falling away was wrongly connoted and written in the place of "The Catching Away", the man of sin can never be revealed unless there's a catching away of the saints, first of those that sleep in the dust and next of those that are alive! Caught up to God in the Heaven's and taking into the bridal chamber of God for the marriage supper of the lamb.

When the rapture triggers, the whole world will fall into chaos just like what you see of #Endsars but this time at a global scale and then the Antichrist will show face to bring peace and order back to the world, people will obey him but his main agenda is to eradicate the church and the left behind saints which will brought about the great tribulation of the saints.

In which version of the Bible did you read "catching away". This is clearly not your speaking but the spirit of Antichrist trying to decide people to catch them unprepared

oranget:

In which version of the Bible did you read "catching away". This is clearly not your speaking but the spirit of Antichrist trying to decide people to catch them unprepared

I believe you are the one possess with the spirit of Antichrist dissuading people not to prepare for the rapture of the church through demonic threads like this. The rapture preceeds the great tribulation.

The Apostle Paul specifically mentioned "in a twinkle of an eye" that's rapture sudden caught away, but the second coming Jesus says all eyes shall see Him! And that is not in a twinkle of an eye that is the second coming.

Read and understand the end time teachings and stop propagating demonic teachings.. You may also read the divine revelation of so many folks whom have been privileged to see beyond the veils.

Nephilim:
I believe you are the one possess with the spirit of Antichrist dissuading people not to prepare for the rapture of the church through demonic threads like this. The rapture preceeds the great tribulation.

The Apostle Paul specifically mentioned "in a twinkle of an eye" that's rapture sudden caught away, but the second coming Jesus says all eyes shall see Him! And that is not in a twinkle of an eye that is the second coming.

Read and understand the end time teachings and stop propagating demonic teachings.. You may also read the divine revelation of so many folks whom have been privileged to see beyond the veils.

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Lol, why will Paul be warning about the revealing of the lawless one IF all the Saints will be "caught up" before he is revealed.
And I still insist that that the rapture will not precede the tribulation.

oranget:

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Lol, why will Paul be warning about the revealing of the lawless one IF all the Saints will be "caught up" before he is revealed.
And I still insist that that the rapture will not precede the tribulation.

lolz! That's because you were reading but not understanding..
To answer your question, the saints in the Thessalonian church were propably eager, discussing and shaken in mind concerning the endtime and the coming of the LORD, therefore Apostle Paul must have heard their rumbles and agitations and decided to clarify things to them, the way its going to play out, and rather they should remain steadfast and establish themselves in the Lord with good works.

Now Go back to that scripture 2 Thessalonian 2:1-8, stop at verse 8, this time read it slowly from verse 1 and connect the verses with each other, that shouldn't be a task for you.. You can do more to ponder on verse 7 and relate it with verse 3. Whatever you understood from there, share it with us bro

I was asking you what does it mean by the "falling away", but you have no answer!

Who is falling away, when and why? What will preceed it?
Don't just read, read to understand bro!

Nephilim:
lolz! That's because you were reading but not understanding..
To answer your question, the saints in the Thessalonian church were propably eager, discussing and shaken in mind concerning the endtime and the coming of the LORD, therefore Apostle Paul must have heard their rumbles and agitations and decided to clarify things to them, the way its going to play out, and rather they should remain steadfast and establish themselves in the Lord with good works.

Now Go back to that scripture 2 Thessalonian 2:1-8, stop at verse 8, this time read it slowly from verse 1 and connect the verses with each other, that shouldn't be a task for you.. You can do more to ponder on verse 7 and relate it with verse 3. Whatever you understood from there, share it with us bro

I was asking you what does it mean by the "falling away", but you have no answer!

Who is falling away, when and why? What will preceed it?
Don't just read, read to understand bro!

1 Timothy 4:1-2, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;”
2 Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
That's what falling away means right there in the Bible verses above. Preaching heresies and demonic doctrines to mislead people.

Nephilim:
I believe you are the one possess with the spirit of Antichrist dissuading people not to prepare for the rapture of the church through demonic threads like this. The rapture preceeds the great tribulation.

The Apostle Paul specifically mentioned "in a twinkle of an eye" that's rapture sudden caught away, but the second coming Jesus says all eyes shall see Him! And that is not in a twinkle of an eye that is the second coming.

Read and understand the end time teachings and stop propagating demonic teachings.. You may also read the divine revelation of so many folks whom have been privileged to see beyond the veils.

St Paul was explaining the process of the rapture...... Not the timing of when...

Honestly this rapture before tribulation gets me angry, because supposed Christians won't read the Bible or understand anything...

Read Revelation 19 to understand the processes of the end time please!!

Christians will face the Antichrist, but will be raptured away to escape the wrath of God upon the Antichrist and those who collect his mark.

The second coming and rapture will happen simultaneously, at the last trump of God to herald the defeat of the Antichrist, and taking over if earthly kingdoms by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus is coming back 2nd time only, not 3 times... Please!!!

LordIsaac:

You are mixing things up. Read your Bible properly or visit a good seminary.

ignorance is bliss!just look at how he is calling for repentance when he is actually the one in need of it. I'm sure he is asking people to change their behavior from howhl he sounds! he is headed for hell on a wheel barrow! except he himself repents.

OP, Jesus said we should not hand our treasures over to pigs cos they will trample upon it and attack us.... Why do you quickly forget Jesus warned us that if a man will not receive you, he told us to shake the dust off our feet and mobe on..... Argument will do the both parties no good. We that are expecting tribulation are waiting and we are not sxared. We will be preapred and faithful unto death while rapture escaper will be caught unaware and many will deny Christ and fall away.
My one cent

obonujoker:


St Paul was explaining the process of the rapture...... Not the timing of when...

Honestly this rapture before tribulation gets me angry, because supposed Christians won't read the Bible or understand anything...

Read Revelation 19 to understand the processes of the end time please!!

Christians will face the Antichrist, but will be raptured away to escape the wrath of God upon the Antichrist and those who collect his mark.

The second coming and rapture will happen simultaneously, at the last trump of God to herald the defeat of the Antichrist, and taking over if earthly kingdoms by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus is coming back 2nd time only, not 3 times... Please!!!

hahaha hahaha! Now I see You have no idea at all! You don't read at all Luke 12:37-38.

You can keep arguing with your keypad! Gracias

oranget:

1 Timothy 4:1-2, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;”
2 Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
That's what falling away means right there in the Bible verses above. Preaching heresies and demonic doctrines to mislead people.

ptfff! So in the times of the early church all these were not there right! Can you remind me again in what year did John receive that revelation of the seven churches

Read all he said and read to understand. Don't regurgitate what religion taught you and seek the truth. What are y'all afraid of? You have painted this antichrist to be a Godhood status, forgetting that even the elect will be as strong when it is time.

The falling away is the strong delusion, those who will heed to the serpentine tongue and leave the truth.

*ThE GREAT TRIBULATION is God's tribulation to reap men into salvation...God's wrath will come after Antichrist's persecution and war.

Open the Bible, read to understand. Read and read and read. Stop regurgitating what mainstream fake religious interpretation of the end of the age.

Nephilim:
lolz! Unless the "falling away" comes first!.

What is the falling away? Do you even have an idea of what that is? Haven't the world fall away already? Don't be deceived the falling away was wrongly connoted and written in the place of "The Catching Away", the man of sin can never be revealed unless there's a catching away of the saints, first of those that sleep in the dust and next of those that are alive! Caught up to God in the Heaven's and taking into the bridal chamber of God for the marriage supper of the lamb.

When the rapture triggers, the whole world will fall into chaos just like what you see of #Endsars but this time at a global scale and then the Antichrist will show face to bring peace and order back to the world, people will obey him but his main agenda is to eradicate the church and the left behind saints which will brought about the great tribulation of the saints.

twosquare:
Read all he said and read to understand. Don't regurgitate what religion taught you and seek the truth. What are y'all afraid of? You have painted this antichrist to be a Godhood status, forgetting that even the elect will be as strong when it is time.

The falling away is the strong delusion, those who will heed to the serpentine tongue and leave the truth.

*ThE GREAT TRIBULATION is God's tribulation to reap men into salvation...God's wrath will come after Antichrist's persecution and war.

Open the Bible, read to understand. Read and read and read. Stop regurgitating what mainstream fake religious interpretation of the end of the age.

lolz! Hogwash! A child's rant.

Nephilim:
hahaha hahaha! Now I see You have no idea at all! You don't read at all Luke 12:37-38.

You can keep arguing with your keypad! Gracias

Bro... I asked you how many times Christ is coming again, you haven't answered

Nephilim:
haha! Bro you just missed the second coming of Christ with the rapture. Read and understand the Bible more.

Are these things hard? No wonder you people fail simple comprehension. This OP has spoken nothing but the truth.

I know it's a shock for some of you to realize you have been lied to or taught the wrong thing for years upon years, some twenty, thirty forty years.

The wrong teaching became a stronghold and you can't even read the truth and understand again because of what you have been made to believe especially preached by supposed mighty men of God.

Haha... It can be shocking and hilarious but you are the one who needs to go back to that Bible, yes that Bible, read it again and understand. It was written in English not Arabic.

Modified : And don't let anyone deceive you, the scriptures is simple if you open your heart when reading. Second coming is same as rapture. That's all.

Rapture is a word gotten from the word enraptured signifying something joyous which is attributed to the expected revelation of the Lord. That word was used by the mother church from which other protestants broke out from and some of these doctrines or practices are still in us subconsciously.

Rapture itself can't be found anywhere in the Bible. I challenge you and give you an assignment to search the whole Bible for the word rapture if you will see it

So Jesus once came, died, resurrected and departed and promised to come again. That's what believers are expecting. Second coming is simply second coming. It's not further mathematics.

Don't let all those calculating rubbish about the days in book of Revelation and Daniel confuse you. No one knows the day except the God in heaven. Second coming is what it is - Second coming which believers today know as rapture (word gotten from the pulpit and preachers mouth).

And many many other things bro. I know you may not reason with these truths but I have said it accordingly.

LordIsaac:

You are mixing things up. Read your Bible properly or visit a good seminary.

You are the one that needs to go read the Bible again sir especially that Revelation he quoted .. Read my reply to Nephilim.

I have some of those verses I explained in my laptop and I could send them if you want.

The only reason I commented on this topic is because it baffles me how a simple and glaring writing is invisible to the people who claims to read the scripture.

I'm done arguing things like this because for me it's an old battle or adventure to make people see. If they want to see let them see and if otherwise God will open their eyes later.

You know it's sometimes amusing to see people preaching in front of a crowd speaking wrong things like an authority while you know they are crude and know little to nothing.

This topic about rapture or second coming and antichrist blah blah is what made many Christians obsessed about the Endtimes - the words of many Christians about the American presidential elections is a fact that people don't know what they are saying.

Anyone from any party could emerge American president and when the time of Antichrist comes no one will stop him, not even the entire prayer of the saints.

And yes, let everyone with less inner peace about these things Brace up because the great tribulations and antichrist emergence will surely happen before the second coming of christ as it is written.

And don't let anyone deceive you, the scriptures is simple if you open your heart when reading. Second coming is same as rapture. That's all.

Rapture is a word gotten from the word enraptured signifying something joyous which is attributed to the expected revelation of the Lord. That word was used by the mother church from which other protestants broke out from and some of these doctrines or practices are still in us subconsciously.

Rapture itself can't be found anywhere in the Bible. And many many other things bro. I know you may not reason with these truths but I have said it accordingly.