ikorodureporta:
Islamic crew, pls what happens if a devoted Muslim man marries a Christian woman?
Is it allowed??

shadeyinka:

It is allowed, however the reverse is NOT allowed. A devote Muslim woman must not marry a Christian man

CodeTemplar:
Who is a devote Muslim? So some are fake and others are original. na wa o.

shadeyinka:

Many Moslems are devoted to their religion. The more devoted they are, the higher their tendency of joining organisations like ISIS and BokoHaram

Fash20:


Iie... I know people who are devoted but hate ISIS and boko haram as hell

sagenaija:

See this:
The Jihad Triangle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvfaZIDLCg

Fash20:


Iie... I know people who are devoted but hate ISIS and boko haram as hell

Fash20:


A youtube video does not change the fact that a terrorist will always be a terrorist irrespective of how devoted he/his is.

Boko haram members do drug a devoted muslim doesn't

shadeyinka:

The word devoted is relative

These people you know, do they write the Qur'an on slates, wash it off and drink?

If they don't, they may be devote, but not as devoted as I am saying. The more devoted they are the higher their tendency of violence in the name of Allah!

Have these people chanted La illah illa lah for 49 days without seeing the sun? Probably not as devoted as you think!

Do they believe in chanting LA ILAAHA ILLA ANTA SUBHAANAKA INNI KUNTUM MINAZZWAALIMEEN", 1,25,000 times with the intention of something from Allah?

Devotion has nothing to do with correctness!

Fash20:


A devoted muslim is one who believe in the Allah and follows the teaching of the Prophet (SAW) accordingly.

It is very easy to differentiate a devoted muslim from a muslim who is not devoted although, a sound knowledge of islam is need to understand this.

My point is, your analogy that the more a muslim becomes devoted, the more the tendency to become a terrorist is nothing but a fallacy of generalization.

Thank you

Fash20:


A devoted muslim is one who believe in the Allah and follows the teaching of the Prophet (SAW) accordingly.

It is very easy to differentiate a devoted muslim from a muslim who is not devoted although, a sound knowledge of islam is need to understand this.

My point is, your analogy that the more a muslim becomes devoted, the more the tendency to become a terrorist is nothing but a fallacy of generalization.

Thank you

shadeyinka:

Many Moslems are devoted to their religion. The more devoted they are, the higher their tendency of joining organisations like ISIS and BokoHaram

helinues:
Stop pokenosing into others affairs?

Are Catholics marrying Pentecostals?

Are Redeemers marrying Jehovah Witness?

Hiss

AntiChristian:


Why tell lies like this? Just to score cheap points against Islam and recruit more followers to christianity.

Na so una dey lie to those you convert! Not really surprised.

Boko Haram is less than 100,000 people and Muslims are let's say 80 million. Saying 100,000 are the best of 80million is a foolish lie from the pit of hell.

Only Satan can guide you to this not anything holy!

Many Moslems are devoted to their religion. The more devoted they are, the higher their tendency of joining organisations like ISIS and BokoHaram

shadeyinka:

Like I said:
Devotion is different from correctness. It is possible for a person to be devote yet in error.

You have described your devotion in the classic sense of a Moslem who is rational: these are the who believes the Qur'an but NOT all the Hadiths. These are the ones who regard some hadiths as weak while others are strong.

The extreme end of devotion is what I speak about. A willingness to do everything stated in ALL the Qur'an AND Hadiths without re-interpreting it to mean something softer to bear.

I am sure you see yourself as devoted to the cause of Allah BUT, can you kill a human being in the cause of a Jihad? If Not (probably on the grounds that Jihad doesn't necessarily mean war but a struggle to please Allah), then your devotion has not reached the peak of submission (you are reinterpreting Jihad to suit your softness of character).

I still maintain that most Moslems are devoted but, the more devoted they are, the higher their tendency of upholding without question EVERYTHING in the religion (which may involve bloodshed).

Let me give you a hadith that says:
At the "End of Days" the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, which will call out to Muslims to come and kill them,


If you were present at this time of the end of days, will you as a devout Moslem join in killing the Jews?
If you will, then you are as highly devout but if not....!

Fash20:


The terrorists are either ignorant or psychopath or both

Let me give you a hadith that says:
At the "End of Days" the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, which will call out to Muslims to come and kill them,


If you were present at this time of the end of days, will you as a devout Moslem join in killing the Jews?
If you will, then you are as highly devout but if not....!

shadeyinka:


Read the English language and comprehend what was written

I haven't said that all Moslems are terrorists

I've only said
1. Most Moslems are devote
2. When there devotion is much higher than average, they have higher chances of becoming terrorists.

Do you believe ALL the Hadiths? If not, then you aren't as devout!

The extreme end of devotion is what I speak about. A willingness to do everything stated in ALL the Qur'an AND Hadiths without re-interpreting it to mean something softer to bear.

AntiChristian:


This assertion is folly and hypocrisy at its peak. The extreme end of devotion in christianity is what? Drinking tea with Jesus and Yahweh right?

I believe in the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the pious predecessors.

How can a Muslim be ignorant and devoted?

We seek knowledge and understanding before practice. Some Boko Haram members may be Muslims but saying they are all devoted is a lie. So what do we say about Boko Haram guys with Christian names? And this means many Muslims in SW are not much devoted as those in the NW, NE and NC right?

Islamic devotion being proportional to terrorism is a faulty notion and a lie from the pit of hell!

Dictionary definition:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/devotion?s=t
1. profound dedication; consecration.
2. earnest attachment to a cause, person, etc.
*an assignment or appropriation to any purpose, cause, etc.:
3. Often devotions. Ecclesiastical. religious observance or worship; a form of prayer or worship for special use.

shadeyinka:

You are still muddling up correctness with devotion.



The Bokoharam members have left their various businesses and means of livelihood to fight a jihad. Many of them have joyfully made the ultimate sacrifice in the cause of Islam, Mohammed and Allah. Have you enough devotion to Allah to warrant laying down your life if need be? Eni ija 'o ba l'on pe 'ra re l'okunrin!


You Antichristian prize yourself as being devoted to Allah and the cause of Islam. But if you are more devoted than the Bokoharam, depend on how you truthfully answer this question. You claim to believe in the Qur'an and the Sunna BUT do you have a willingness to do everything stated in ALL the Qur'an AND Hadiths without re-interpreting it to mean something softer to bear?

Please check this Hadith below:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

If you were present at this time of the end of days, will you as a devout Moslem join in killing the Jews?


If you will, then you are as highly devout but if not how can you say you are as devout as the Bokoharam!

AntiChristian:


This is still lame shade. Boko haram is not a standard for Islamic devotion. Who were the standard 30 years ago? 100 years ago?

Are Igbos the standard for Christianity?
Devotion is not in just following the text. Islamic devotion is following the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the pious predecessors. A process can be followed albeit in the wrong way.

Some texts have certain contexts. Some have setting. Some are general in application. For example, Zakah and Hajj is not compulsory on the poor. And no one can force that on them.

The sacrifices and fights of Boko Haram is not in line with the Qur'an and Sunnah according to the pious predecessors.

Anyone who brings a deed not in line with the ways of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam will have it rejected.

shadeyinka:

I have not used the Bokoharam as the standard for Islam. I have used them as an example of devotion.

I asked you a simple question which you avoided.

You Antichristian prize yourself as being devoted to Allah and the cause of Islam. But if you are more devoted than the Bokoharam, depend on how you truthfully answer this question. You claim to believe in the Qur'an and the Sunna BUT do you have a willingness to do everything stated in ALL the Qur'an AND Hadiths without re-interpreting it to mean something softer to bear?

Please check this Hadith below:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

If you were present at this time of the end of days, will you as a devout Moslem join in killing the Jews?


If you will, then you are as highly devout but if not how can you say you are as devout as the Bokoharam!


What's your position on this?

AntiChristian:


Even in terms of devotion Boko Haram have never been praised for performing Salah! Or praised for fasting Ramadan, Zakah, or Hajj? So what devotion are you talking here?

AntiChristian:

You said an above average devoted Muslim would most likely tend towards being a boko haram! Once again this big mistake from you.

Do you mean all of those in SW, SE,SS are not devoted even more than those in the north? How come there's no boko haram kinda people everywhere Muslims abound?

According to one of his cousins, as a teenager, Abdulmutallab became very pious as a Muslim, and detached himself from others his age. He condemned his father's banking profession as "immoral" and "un-Islamic" for charging interest, urging him to quit. "That kind of detachment from others and singular focus on Islam was a common thread in Mr. Abdulmutallab's life, according to family members, friends and classmates
-Wikipedia

AntiChristian:

To your other question, I am obliged to fear Allah as much as possible. Obey the rules and go away from the prohibited deeds.

All injunctions in Islam are what we strive to follow without leaving any.

To your quoted hadith, how do you understand it and how do the companions of the Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam understood it? I wouldn't follow your perceived meaning of the text. This is the Boko Haramic interpretation of text.

And i don't think explaining the meaning of the text as understood by the pious predecessors is included in this discuss.

sagenaija:
If is going to directly answer the question put to him we shall see the MAGIC OF ISLAMIC REINTERPRETATION.

Even when the hadith and other Islamic sources that provide the CONTEXT and explanations for an issue at hand are presented, modern day Moslem apologists will still find a way to REINTERPRET the issue.

what do you expect, when the same hadith Have been graded as strong, weak and fabricated

modern Muslims always claim to know the Quran more better than the prophet and allah

shadeyinka:

This may be difficult to prove because they are rarely seen worshiping in public

shadeyinka:

I said that:
Many Moslems are devoted to their religion. The more devoted they are, the higher their tendency of joining organisations like ISIS and BokoHaram
Devotion is a relative term and I have not said that Moslems are not devoted. In actual fact, the average muslim is more devoted to their religion than even the average Christian.

shadeyinka:

Do you remember Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab
He is an example of a devout Muslim. Born into affluence, literate/educated,....

Yet there was something missing. He wanted to please Allah at the cost of his own life. He is more devout than the average Muslim. Even if he was wrong in his interpretation and understanding of Islam, is he not higher in devotion than Governor Gandollar Ganduje who loved the dollars at the cost of bending the rules of Islam?

shadeyinka:

Remember the teenage girl Leah Shuaibu: I will submit that she is more devout than the average Christian: Why? In the face of death and loss of freedom she boldly laid her life down for her belief in Christ.

For Muslims,
Devotion is the willingness to do everything stated in ALL the Qur'an AND Hadiths without re-interpreting it to mean something softer to bear?

For Christians,
Devotion is the willingness to do every command stated in ALL the Gospels without re-interpreting it to mean something softer to bear?

How exactly did the companions of the prophet understood the text because the hadith is self explanatory!
When you combine it with other texts, you will arrive at the same picture.

Quran 5:85
Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters.

Quran 5:64-65
Say: “People of the Book, do you blame us for any other cause than that we believe in God, and what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before, and that most of you are ungodly?…”
Whomsoever God has cursed, and with whom He is wroth, and made some of them apes and swine, and worshippers of idols — they are worse situated, and have gone further astray from the right way.

Quran 33:26
And He brought down those of the People of the Book who supported them from their fortresses and cast terror in their hearts; some you slew, some you made captive. And He bequeathed upon you their lands, their habitations, and their possessions, and a land you never trod. God is powerful over everything.

Relating these surahs with the quoted hadith, what other conclusion can one arrive at?

What is the correct interpretation of the hadith:

Sahih al-Bukhari 2926
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. " O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."