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Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:32am On Apr 12, 2011 |
particles: Read the suggested link below why Evolution is a religion and not science. http://www.icr.org/article/455/ |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by particles: 1:33am On Apr 12, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU:Well at least you know what an analogy is. This ANALOGY does not go over my head, thank you. Just as much as the Chronicles of Narnia doesn't go over my head. This is simply an analogy with the use of simple geometric concepts. It fails to prove anything scientifically. Also, you do not understand what science is. Please give me your definition of science. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:38am On Apr 12, 2011 |
Image123: Amen. As Christians we continue to swim against the flow but our labour is not in vain in the Lord. http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/media/cartoons/after-eden/ |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:55am On Apr 12, 2011 |
particles: I should be the one asking you the definition of science. It was a Christian who developed the scientific method that you guys are now singing about and he got his idea from the Bible. The belief in particles-to-people evolution is not necessary to understanding biology sciences. It is not even helpful nor has it made any technological advances. A belief in molecules-to-man evolution is not necessary to understand how planets orbit the sun, how telescopes operate or how plants and animals function. No medical research benefited from a belief in evolution. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by particles: 2:01am On Apr 12, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU:Creationism is not science, it is a religious belief. There is no demonstrable evidence that the universe was created by a supernatural being. Creationism is rejected by the scientific community and evolution is accepted by it. I am going to say this one more time, since you are so monumentally freaking frustrating to have a discussion with. 1. Atheism is not a religion or a worldview. It is simply a rejection to the claim that a particular god exists. We are all atheists in some form. You are an atheist when referring to any other religious gods, like the Hindu gods or the Greek gods. I am an atheist when referring to all gods since there is no demonstrable evidence to say otherwise. Analogies, verses in the Bible, the Bible itself, so called "miracles" (which cannot be tested), diagrams that just have words on them are not forms of demonstrable evidence. 2. Evolution is a scientific theory (a FACT!) and is not a religion or worldview. It does not seek out to explain the origin of life or even to prove or disprove god's existence. It is simply an explanation of how organisms change over time. You do not know what science is, so you do not have the right to claim that it confirms that validity of the bible or that god exists. I am done with your ignorance. Whenever you do find out what science actually is and that it can be used to demonstrate that your Bronze Age beliefs are true, you will be be ready to have an intelligent and rational conversation with me |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:04am On Apr 12, 2011 |
Real Scientists Who Believe Most of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were biblical Christians who were creationists. Note the following sampling: Physics: Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Kelvin Chemistry: Boyle, Dalton, Pascal, Ramsay Biology: Ray, Linnaeus, Mendel, Pasteur Geology: Steno, Woodward, Brewster, Agassiz Astronomy: Kepler, Galileo, Herschel, Maunder "These men, as well as scores of others who could be mentioned, were creationists, not evolutionists, and their names are practically synonymous with the rise of modern science. To them, the scientific enterprise was a high calling, one dedicated to thinking God's thoughts after Him." -- A creationist and theologian, Henry Morris and Gary E. Parker, What is Creation Science? Here is another quote from Arthur H. Compton, winner of Nobel Prize in Physics: "Science is the glimpse of God's purpose in nature. The very existence of the amazing world of the atom and radiation points to a purposeful creation, to the idea that there is a God and an intelligent purpose back of everything . . . An orderly universe testifies to the greatest statement ever uttered: 'In the beginning, God . . .'" Johann Kepler: "The chief aim of all investigation of the external world should be to discover the rational order and harmony which has been imposed on it by God." Lord Kelvin: "With regard to the origin of life, science . . . positively affirms creative power." Sir Isaac Newton: "All material things seem to have been composed of the hard and solid particles above mentioned, variously associated in the first creation by the counsel of an intelligent Agent. For it became Him who created them to set them in order. And if He did so, it's unphilosophical to seek for any other origin of the world, or to pretend that it might arise out of a chaos by the mere laws of nature." "An increasing number of scientists, most particularly a growing number of evolutionists . . . argue that Darwinian evolutionary theory is no genuine scientific theory at all . . . Many of the critics have the highest intellectual credentials." -- Michael Ruse, "Darwin's Theory: An Exercise in Science," New Scientist And this is what a Jewish scientist who was obviously influenced by the Jewish Scriptures had to say: Albert Einstein: "Science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with inspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of Religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith." |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by Nobody: 2:24am On Apr 12, 2011 |
In terms of that belief they were wrong. It is not the first time. Furthermore, Isaac Newton was a Unitarian/Alchemist. This was a fact he keep secret from fear of persecution from other Christians. I do not think I have to explain to you what happened to Galileo when his belief of a Heliocentric model clashed with the mainstream biblical view at the time. Also you may be interested in the list of scientist that profess a belief in Christianity AND Evolution. I will dig it up after I finish with my work. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 7:21am On Apr 12, 2011 |
Image123: What do they actually say about leprosy? Why do you think they were being advised to play with animal blood? The cure is not a single verse but the verses 1 - 32 of Leviticus 14 which I pasted there when you kept whining that you couldn't find it. I've explained to you that it gives the procedure for curing leprosy so it's up to you to say what [b]you [/b]understand from it. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 7:27am On Apr 12, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: Even if the scientific method was devised by a Christian, that would simply be committing the genetic fallacy. The fact that a method was devised by a Christian does not make it right or wrong. Neither does it make Christianity right or wrong. Each of these features stand on their own evidence. As usual, you have still refused to understand or are deliberately misstating what evolution actually deals with. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 7:42am On Apr 12, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: Again with lists and quotes. Have you forgotten the thousands of current scientists who with reason dismiss creationism? You seem to have a predilection for the naturalistic fallacy and above, I've explained why you fall into it repeatedly. You need to realize that when a fallacy is pointed out in your argument, if you wish to argue using reason, then it behooves you to either stop using that argument or to modify it so it doesn't fail based on the demonstrated fallacy. You also fall into appeals to authority when you simply quote some people. I've addressed this habit of yours on another thread yet you keep making the same mistakes over and over again. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by Image123(m): 12:25pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
@thehomer You should have simply asked me to explain it to you. The passage talks of cleansing rites that WERE to be observed AFTER leprosy was healed or cured. i see you've conveniently ignored the other parts of the post, that's quite wise of you. Why should someone not refer to people's words and thoughts, yet you find it RIGHT to refer to links and webpages, is this not double standards? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by UyiIredia(m): 1:22pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
@ OLAADEGBU >>> the converse of your topic is also true >>> The Bible confirms Science >>> it is thru both that we make progress >>> I must say that since that old conversation we had upon the tripartite nature of God expressed through Natire : I have never been the same again >>> Few, if any, religionists (including Christians) tasks their minds as to who God is ? "Oblivion and Eternity are 2 forms of the same thing: Infinity" - Uyi Iredia |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by mantraa: 3:25pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
@olaadegbu Maybe if you did a bit of honest enquiry and not just on creationist websites you will find the overwhelming amount of peer reviewed evidence in support of science. Did you watch the documentary i posted earlier? Here it is again. Everything and Nothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psHPx4YezdE I would love to heard you opinion on it and if you learned anything from it. If you believe that science confirms the bible, why is it that science says the earth is about 4 billion years old and the universe about 13 billion years old? How old do you think the earth is? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 8:28pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
Image123: Cleansing rites after leprosy is cured? If the person is cured, then what are they cleansing? What did I ignore? You already claimed the cardinal points were corners whereas they aren't. You may interpret anything you want anyhow you want but then, I guess that's all the Bible is good for. A nice big Ouija board. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:21pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
Idehn: Isaac Newton was not an evolutionist he believed in the creative work of God as well as the Bible. This is why it would be a good idea to read responses to allegations that has been clearly refuted in the earlier posts. OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:32pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
Idehn: I am only interested in uncompromising scientists who believe in truth and are committed to real science. The Bible has all the answers to man's questions These scientists believe the truth as their starting point and go on to think God's thought after Him while they carry out observational science. 1. Who created?------------God 2. What was created? ----All things 3. How was it created?--- By His Power 4. When was it created?—In the beginning 5. How long did it take to Create?-- 6 days Some top and highly qualified Hebrew scholars, who are called lexigraphers wrote in the most widely recognised Hebrew lexicons and dictionaries, published in the 20th century says that the creation days written in the book of Genesis are literal days. Below is a partial list of scientists who believe in the Bible's account of creation as is recorded in the Bible and through their professional fields have come to the scientific conclusion that confirms the Bible's account: Danny Faulkner Ph.D. Astronomy John Byl Ph.D. Astronomy Tom Greene Ph.D. Astronomy James Dire Ph.D. Astrophysics Dave Harrison Ph.D. Astrophysics Steven Boyd Ph.D. Hebraic and Cognitive Studies Floyd Nolen Jones Th.D., Ph.D. Author of Chronology of the Old Testament Herb Hirt Ph.D. Biblical Exposition Robert Cole Ph.D. Semitic languages Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon Georgia Purdon Ph.D. Molecular Genetics Duane Gish Ph.D. Biochemistry David Menton Ph.D. Cell Biology Donald Chittick Ph.D. Physical Chemistry Tom Greene Ph.D. Astronomy Jason Lisle Ph.D. Astrophysics Russell Humphreys Ph.D Physics Don DeYoung Ph.D. Physics Terry Mortenson Ph.D. History of Geology John baumgardner Ph.D. Geophysics Bob Compton Ph.D. Physiology, DVM Andy McIntosh Ph.D. Combustion Theory John Johnson Ph.D. Mathematics Tommy Mitchel M.D. Andrew Snelling Ph.D. Geology Emil Silvestre Ph.D. Geology Esther Su Ph.D. Biochemistry David DeWitt Ph.D. Neuroscience |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:42pm On Apr 12, 2011 |
mantraa: I take my authority from the Bible while you take yours from fallible, sinful human ideaologies. If the fairytale you wrote above is to be taken as science then what was the repeatable experiment you conducted to arrive at the age you gave for both the universe and the earth? What are their origins or rather, where did it originate from? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:00am On Apr 13, 2011 |
Uyi Iredia: I glorify the Lord that you were blessed on the subject of the nature of God. This shows that you hunger and thirst for the truth of God's Word and may He continually meet you at the point of your needs. Amen. It is also true that through the biblical account of creation and real science that we can make progress. The Bible stands on it's own and does not need science to confirm it but it is interesting to see how it supports the claims made in the Bible. But I must say, science is still playing catch up with the revealed Word of God. God has originated everything in nature but scientists have to make their own discoveries. Science uses observation and experimentation to draw conclusions about nature and this is the nature of observational science which involves repeatable experimentation and observation in the present. Evolutionists cannot say this. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:49am On Apr 13, 2011 |
Scientific Evidence That Demands A Creator God. There are only three possibilities from where the universe can come from. By way of the elimination we will arrive at our destination. [list] [li]1). The universe created itself;[/li] [/list] [list] [li]2). The universe has always existed, and [/li] [/list] [list] [li]3). The universe was created.[/li] [/list] 1. The universe created itself: Can something create itself? Can nothing create something? The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something. From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes." It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause. The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself. That leaves us with options 2 and 3. 2. The univese has always existed: Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. The universe as a whole is losing energy. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down. Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic, another speculation gone with the air. This leaves us with only one possiblility based on science. Which is that: 3. The universe was created: "In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1 Science confirms the Bible. Simples. 1 Like |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 6:56am On Apr 13, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: Not this again? I've presented you with project Steve in the past. It's very interesting that there are so few biologists who actually support this creationism. By the way, what was the universe created from? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 7:07am On Apr 13, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: There are only three possibilities from where God can come from. a) God created himself, b) God has always existed, c) God was created. a) Things cannot create themselves therefore God could not have created himself. b) God could not have always existed because minds are not eternal. Which leaves only one explanation. c) God was created by man as he evolved. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:21pm On Apr 13, 2011 |
thehomer: How will you construct this word into a sentence? GODISNOTHING. Your evolutionary mindsets will most likely to come up with a sentence like this: GOD IS NOTHING. But a Christian with a creation worldview is likely to see GOD IS NO THING. I hope you can now see that God is not a thing. In essence what you are saying is: where did God come from? You and your fellows ask this because you misunderstand the nature of God. You are suggesting that God is bound by the universe and that God is part of the chain of effects within time, all of which require a cause. For your information, God does not require a cause since He has always existed, He is beyond time, that is, He is outside of time T, and is not part of the physical universe. God is a Spirit, not a sequence of energetic reactions, and so the laws of thermodynamics does not apply to Him. "Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is none like Me" -- Isaiah 46:9 |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by Image123(m): 6:48pm On Apr 13, 2011 |
God is no thing! |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 7:33pm On Apr 13, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: Sooooo you simply do not have an answer. Just to let you know, when you say God is no thing, that is yet another way of saying God is nothing because nothing is no thing. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:57pm On Apr 13, 2011 |
thehomer: How will you see the answer with those opaque evolution goggles? Let me try again since you are on image123's scholarship because you have to pass this exam o. Everything that has a beginning must have an end. The universe has a beginning and therefore must have an end. God does not have a beginning and therefore does not have an end. God is living outside of time, space and matter, this means that He can see the past, present and future in one stretch because He created it. That is why I can be confident in His revealed counsels that tells us how He created the universe, and this is by divine imperative (Ex-Nihilo) and His prediction of when it is going to be consumed by fire in the future Gen.1; 2Peter 3. God lives in "eternity" which is the life time of the never dying God. He is the Alpha and Omega, The beginning and The End, The First and The Last. Revelation 22:13. thehomer: As long as you are fixated on those goggles by which you view the evidence you will always see men as trees. Let me give you an assignment. What do you see in this word? GODISNOWHERE How will you construct a sentence using the space button where appropriate? Input-Output. [img width=500 height=500]http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/media/cartoons/creationwise/InputOutput.gif[/img] |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:11pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
Archaeology confirms the accuracy of the Bible: Following the 1993 discovery in Israel of a stone containing the inscriptions "House of David" and "King of Israel," Time magazine stated: "This writing -- dated to the 9th century B.C., only a century after David's reign -- described a victory by a neighbouring king over the Israelites . . . The skeptics' claim that David never existed is now hard to defend." -- Time, December 18, 1995 |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 10:11pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: How do you know God does not have a beginning? Did he tell you or are you simply imagining it? Can you really say God is alive? If he cannot die then can he be alive? For something to be alive, it has to at least have time so if God is outside of time, then he is not alive. Divine imperative. In other words, magic out of nothing. Do you realize this violates the scientific laws you're attempting to use to prove that he did this? How did he reveal this? Did he whisper it to you? Please don't point to the Bible because that would simply be an insult to even assign that to a person not to speak of an omnipotent etc God. OLAADEGBU: What is the relevance? How would any answer here aid in showing whether or not science confirms the Bible? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 10:21pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: How about some archaeological evidence of the stories of Moses and the Jews in Egypt? And Noah's ark? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:55pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
thehomer: Your questions are oxymoronic. You are asking me to describe to you the aroma of Coffee, can you? And if you can't does that mean that Coffee doesn't exist? Try describing a red colour to a person born blind. thehomer: When would you learn that God is not something? God is a Spirit who lives in eternity, He created this universe which comprises of time, space and matter. What part of that don't you get? thehomer: What law is violated? God, the law-giver is above and beyond the natural laws He gives but that does not mean that He contradicts it, it just means that He is on a higher level. Natural laws are not the limit of what is possible and God is not bound by natural laws. If you want to know more about the nature of God read your Bible because I know that in your heart of heart you know God exists it is just that you don't want to believe Him. thehomer: Let me tell you what you fail to admit. What you will see is God is nowhere because of your evolution spectacles with which you use to view the evidence but if you will see from another point of view you will see God is now here. Look at that cartoon I posted earlier and see why you see and think the way you think. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:57pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
thehomer: What have you done with all the evidences that has been presented, do you now believe them? |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 11:11pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: How was the question an oxymoron? The first two were requests for your evidence. The second two were simple logical inference on what it is to be considered a living object. OLAADEGBU: If God is not something then a spirit is not something. This of course means that a spirit is nothing. Which of course implies that nothing created the universe etc. OLAADEGBU: Rubbish you're just making up things as you go along. I say it is Quetzyl that created the universe and commanded the laws. Who knows maybe your God is this Quetzyl? OLAADEGBU: So seeing things now means God is everywhere? Please you really need to avoid thinking and presenting arguments to support your views this way. They make it look as though you're just not serious and really have nothing to say. |
Re: Science Confirms The Bible by thehomer: 11:13pm On Apr 14, 2011 |
OLAADEGBU: I already pointed out to you that what you consider scientific evidence simply isn't scientific evidence some are just mere assertions on your part. Others just misquoting your Bible and other poor tricks. |
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