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| Mormons Are Not Christians by chinedumo(m): 4:35pm On Apr 07, 2011 |
[b]Mormons are not your friends in the faith They are not christian brother/sisters should u be visited by any Mormon missionary these are area they will be very reluctant in discussing They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. "We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: "The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. "I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. "Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) "I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world, "(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. ", how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125).[/b]
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| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by chinedumo(m): 4:36pm On Apr 07, 2011 |
[b]They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. , Ignorant, translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) "But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Mormon church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it, " to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.[/b] |
| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by denitro(m): 6:46pm On Apr 07, 2011 |
Are you alright? |
| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by Jesuto(f): 1:47am On Apr 08, 2011 |
Interesting expose on Mormons, were you one? I am a Christian and I don't really know much about Mormons so this is interesting. I just wondered where your inspiration for sharing came from. Thanks for sharing. |
| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by petres007(m): 9:32am On Apr 08, 2011 |
denitro: Question is, are YOU alright? Else why would you ask the OP such a question? If you have a problem with any of the things he's said, then please refute them here so we can all learn. Jesuto: These mormon guys are one super scary bunch if you ask me. Personally, I wouldn't have any problems with them if they, like a bunch of other religions out there, didn't claim to be "Christian" or are believers in the God of the bible.  |
| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by denitro(m): 10:13am On Apr 08, 2011 |
The one thing I have learnt about religion is Never judge other people's belief or faith. your points don't make sense Let take each of your questions. 1. They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. Ans: Are you for real? In Genesis 3:22, it states "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, " Therefore, as the Lord himself says, Satan told Eve a half-truth. The Adversary lied when he said that Eve would "not surely die", but he told the truth when he said that she would become "like God, knowing good and evil." To spread the false notion that mormons do not show proper reverence towards the Godhead, anti-Mormons often tell people that mormons believe that God was not always God. This misrepresentation is a twisting of an LDS doctrine called exaltation, a doctrine that the Bible clearly teaches. We believe our Heavenly Father has given us this mortal life to become more like him. Those who are true and faithful in all things will sit in the throne of Christ. (Rev 3:21) They will have the name of God the Father placed upon them (Rev 14:1) We believe that they shall be "heirs of God, and joint-heirs of Christ" (Rom 8:17). What shall the faithful inherit? ALL THINGS according to scripture (Heb 1:2) "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:48) We call anyone who sits in the throne of God, has God's name and attributes, and who has inherited all things (i.e. - power, dominion, and knowledge) from God-----a god. While we believe that the faithful will enjoy a life similar to our Heavenly Father, we also believe we will still be subject to and worship the God of Heaven, which is represented as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Furthermore, while we will be "gods, even the sons of God" (D&C 76:58), we will never be at the same level as them or stop worshipping them, but we will be like them and enjoy a quality of life similar to theirs. When you have passed this earth life and are in Heaven and have inherited all things and becomes a god. Then someone says : You were not always a god but has to progress to the exact exalted station you now find yourself, can the statement not be true. Look at Christ as our example. He was a God before coming amongst men, yet he had to grow from grace to grace. My advise to you. Be careful in relations to things about religion. Because in event you are wrong in your thinking, you only end up losing your way. But don't be the means of making millions of people lose their way too. The punishment will be more. When people ask me about Islam, Hindu etc. I tell people I can't judge least I will be judge with the same judgement. |
| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by petres007(m): 12:18pm On Apr 08, 2011 |
denitro: Now I see where you're coming from You're most likely an LDS member  Really wish I had the time to take you up on this but I'll just point out something. The OP was correct in saying that the LDS teaches that God the father has not always been God. YOU know this. I once discussed these issues with an LDS member who (like you) was desperately trying to make it look like this is what the bible has actually been saying all along. At least he didn't have the effrontery to outrightly deny this. And just in case you missed this part, here it is again in bigger typeface. The words of your prophet, Joseph Smith, complete with a reference to the publication and page number: chinedumo: |
| Re: Mormons Are Not Christians by petres007(m): 12:59pm On Apr 08, 2011 |
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: "When you climb up a ladder, you must begin at the bottom, and ascend step by step, until you arrive at the top; and so it is with the principles of the Gospel--you must begin with the first, and go on until you learn all the principles of exaltation. But it will be a great while after you have passed through the veil [died] before you will have learned them. It is not all to be comprehended in this world; it will be a great work to learn our salvation and exaltation even beyond the grave" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 348). This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: [size=14pt]"It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did"[/size] (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46). -------------------------------- The above was extracted from official LDS site - http://lds.org/library/display/0,4945,11-1-13-59,00.html So Mr. denitro, seems you need to go back to LDS sunday school classes  -------------------------------- [size=14pt] 2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting thou art God.[/size] Psalm 90:2 Okay, the above is obviously not mormonic It's the bible's position on the issue. By the way, I like your signature o - "Money doesn't buy happiness but Id rather cry in my Ferrari" Quite witty |
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