Islam is a religion of bloodshed and destruction. The only thing you offer the world is agony and backwardness.

You speak peace with your mouths, but do murder with your actions.

Those of you who murder or attack others because of Allah, is Allah so weak that he can't fight for himself?

Why then are you guys serving a weak helpless god?

Or are you committing murder, not necessarily because Allah wishes it, but because of your pride and arrogance?

OBALOLA55:
WHO IS THE PRINCE OF PEACE

Jamb question

OBALOLA55:
YOU AGAIN

AntiChristian:


Why is Israel Jesus's country not a Christian country? Apparently they didn't get the message like you lied.


Yahweh Jehovah didn't throw bombs yet killed so many in the old testament. He did repented in the new testament but killed his son as a ritual sacrifice like those babalawo blood ritual to save others.

His kingdom is not of this world. He did not come to conquer countries and Kingdom but to save the souls of all those who of their own will believe in him without any form of imposition. Why should you seek to force what is good and of great value on the beneficiaries?

Yahweh kills and saves cause he's the creator. A creator has sovereign right over his creation.
On the other hand, his son was killed by the same people he came to save. He did not with their own belief put a sword on their necks, though he could have, if he chose to. Instead he allowed himself die so he could prove that the power of life and death lies not in his killers but he himself who is the resurrection and life.

Mikehot:
If goats could hijack your religion is it Islamic Terrorists that can't?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

i wonder u people always worried about goat eat a sheet of paper (of Quran as u believed) the question is, is it the only sheet left in the world? And even if the so called goal ate the sheet then the religion of Allah is still alive. Allah is Great

sule1996:
i wonder u people always worried about goat eat a sheet of paper (of Quran as u believed) the question is, is it the only sheet left in the world? And even if the so called goal ate the sheet then the religion of Allah is still alive. Allah is Great

look at how you have disgraced yourself, you think you are wiser than your superior sheiks who saw that question and kept quite in defeat?

I really don't have time to educate you, you abduls never value free education

So go and read that passage again like you do to the shahada you are a bot to


Perphas it would sink deep to see your shallowness

Agbegbaorogboye:


His kingdom is not of this world. He did not come to conquer countries and Kingdom but to save the souls of all those who of their own will believe in him without any form of imposition. Why should you seek to force what is good and of great value on the beneficiaries?

If his kingdom is not of this world why does he have to come to where his kingdom does not belong? Of what importance were the crusades fought by the Christians?
Actually Jesus had no armies like Moses and Joshua. He could have killed more. But he had repented from his killing spree of the OT.

Yahweh kills and saves cause he's the creator. A creator has sovereign right over his creation.
On the other hand, his son was killed by the same people he came to save. He did not with their own belief put a sword on their necks, though he could have, if he chose to. Instead he allowed himself die so he could prove that the power of life and death lies not in his killers but he himself who is the resurrection and life.

A creator that can save except by using the babalawo method of blood sacrifice and giving his son to be killed? I keep asking why does your God need a son to function?
Why the elders? Is it like the president, vice president, speaker and national assembly or what?

Till eternity, it won't make any sense believing that Yahweh sent his son to be killed by his creations (human and death) for them to be saved.

It's simple idolatry.

AntiChristian:

If his kingdom is not of this world why does he have to come to where his kingdom does not belong? Of what importance were the crusades fought by the Christians?
Actually Jesus had no armies like Moses and Joshua. He could have killed more. But he had repented from his killing spree of the OT.



A creator that can save except by using the babalawo method of blood sacrifice and giving his son to be killed? I keep asking why does your God need a son to function?
Why the elders? Is it like the president, vice president, speaker and national assembly or what?

Till eternity, it won't make any sense believing that Yahweh sent his son to be killed by his creations (human and death) for them to be saved.

It's simple idolatry.

He came because he is the source of life for all creation. Those who had been deceived needed to be saved.
The crusades which you all keep wailing about was a response to Islamic terrorists who stole lands originally belonging to Christians.
Just like the people of Ilorin driving out the fulani emir.
Who did Jesus kill? If he wanted an army, he could easily have especially after feeding five thousand. But like I said he is no war monger but is instead the Prince of peace.

Even Abraham and Moses used the same method. No covenant is spiritually binding without the spilling of blood.
You have a problem with a creator who sacrificed his son to save the creation. But not with Mohammad who went about killing people he can't create. I really don't understand your logic.
God does not need his son to function. He is the almighty who can do all things.
But it makes sense to you that a serial adulterer and killer and slave owner tells you to hit your head on the floor five times a day while facing a particular direction and wash yourself with water and wash again if you by any means fart before praying is the true and sensible way right?

Agbegbaorogboye:

He came because he is the source of life for all creation. Those who had been deceived needed to be saved.
The crusades which you all keep wailing about was a response to Islamic terrorists who stole lands originally belonging to Christians.
Just like the people of Ilorin driving out the fulani emir.
Who did Jesus kill? If he wanted an army, he could easily have especially after feeding five thousand. But like I said he is no war monger but is instead the Prince of peace.

Even Abraham and Moses used the same method. No covenant is spiritually binding without the spilling of blood.
You have a problem with a creator who sacrificed his son to save the creation. But not with Mohammad who went about killing people he can't create. I really don't understand your logic.
God does not need his son to function. He is the almighty who can do all things.
But it makes sense to you that a serial adulterer and killer and slave owner tells you to hit your head on the floor five times a day while facing a particular direction and wash yourself with water and wash again if you by any means fart before praying is the true and sensible way right?

Who did Muhammad kill that Moses and Joshua never killed on Yahweh's command.

Was Abraham too and all those who slept with slaves or had concubines in the Bible too adulterers? Who is the best murderer in the OT, Moses, Joshua, Elisha or Yahweh who supported the killings?

I love the last part of your post as it really shows the Islamophobia common amongst you guys.

See the head knackers below:

1. Jesus: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed Matthew 26:39

2. Abram: "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying...," - Old Testament (Genesis 17:3)

3. Abraham:"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Genesis 17:17)

4. Moses: "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament (Exodus 34:

5. Moses & Aaron:“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Numbers 20:6)

6. Moses & Aaron:"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Numbers 16:20-22)

7. Ezra and his People: And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Nehemiah 8:6)

8. Joshua: "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)

9. A Prophet: "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 9:

10 Jehoshaphat: "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (2 Chronicles 20:18)

11. A Prophet:"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 11:13)

Jaqenhghar:
.you are so correct. A religious leader said you never tell an infidel ( any non muslim) salaam because there should never be peace between you and them

see terroristic remark

Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1.

It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2.

It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3.

It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

We have previously discussed Muhammad ibn Ishaaq in detail in fatwa no. 148009

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)

Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

Mikehot:
If goats could hijack your religion is it Islamic Terrorists that can't?

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Shadowhack:
Praise be to Allah.

Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1.

It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2.

It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3.

It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

We have previously discussed Muhammad ibn Ishaaq in detail in fatwa no. 148009

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)

Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

with all these tears for epistle you ended up saying nothing


So we should ignore the direct statement of Aisha who said there was scriptures in quran but it was eaten by goat to stupid third parties opinions

AntiChristian:


Who did Muhammad kill that Moses and Joshua never killed on Yahweh's command.

Was Abraham too and all those who slept with slaves or had concubines in the Bible too adulterers? Who is the best murderer in the OT, Moses, Joshua, Elisha or Yahweh who supported the killings?

I love the last part of your post as it really shows the Islamophobia common amongst you guys.

See the head knackers below:

1. Jesus: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground and prayed Matthew 26:39

2. Abram: "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying...," - Old Testament (Genesis 17:3)

3. Abraham:"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Genesis 17:17)

4. Moses: "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped." - Old Testament (Exodus 34:

5. Moses & Aaron:“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Numbers 20:6)

6. Moses & Aaron:"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Numbers 16:20-22)

7. Ezra and his People: And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Nehemiah 8:6)

8. Joshua: "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)

9. A Prophet: "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 9:

10 Jehoshaphat: "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." - Old Testament (2 Chronicles 20:18)

11. A Prophet:"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel?" - Old Testament (Ezekiel 11:13)

Lol. So because God told Moses and Joshua to kill justifies murder?
Yes indeed. Abraham did commit adultery. Just because he's Abraham does not make him above sin.
Besides, the relationship between God and the Israelites was summarised by Jesus in Matt 19vs8:

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

So I ask, do you also wish to follow God with a hard heart like a stubborn child follows his father and is beaten more than half of the way?

It also leads to why you would go searching through the Bible for people who "fell on their faces" to justify you doing so in Islam. You did not realise that these examples you quoted did so out of their volition in a spontaneous manner of the moments they found themselves. They were not compelled by any law to do so five times a day in a certain direction first with a bow, then bent at the hips then head touching the ground and ass up like machines. That's the worship of God in a stubborn and hard way.
Compare to Jesus who prayed while standing and lifting his eyes to heaven to wake Lazarus (Jhn11:41), prayed while sitting for his disciples to be one Matt 26:26. Even while sleeping Matt 8:23-27. He is not bound to be in a certain position as your stubborn religion demands of you.
The reason why you seek validation from the Bible and biblical figures is because you worship what you neither know nor understand. That is why you have a formal position to say common prayer. Every step you are told what to do and how to do it like a slave. Your relationship with Allah is that of a master-slave not father-son. Pity

Agbegbaorogboye:


Lol. So because God told Moses and Joshua to kill justifies murder?
Yes indeed. Abraham did commit adultery. Just because he's Abraham does not make him above sin.
Besides, the relationship between God and the Israelites was summarised by Jesus in Matt 19vs8:

I don't like you guys hiding and refusing to comment on the babalawo nature of Jesus's ritualistic sacrifice as desired by his father. And why does your God need a son and elders to function?
And yes, if your God supports Moses, Joshua, Elisha in killing people what moral justification do you still have?
Yahweh promulgated the apostasy law in the OT and several bloody battles.

On Abraham, where was it said that he committed fornication? And just because Jesus is Jesus too doesn't make him above sin!

So I ask, do you also wish to follow God with a hard heart like a stubborn child follows his father and is beaten more than half of the way?

This is simply a foolish analogy.

It also leads to why you would go searching through the Bible for people who "fell on their faces" to justify you doing so in Islam. You did not realise that these examples you quoted did so out of their volition in a spontaneous manner of the moments they found themselves. They were not compelled by any law to do so five times a day in a certain direction first with a bow, then bent at the hips then head touching the ground and ass up like machines. That's the worship of God in a stubborn and hard way.
Compare to Jesus who prayed while standing and lifting his eyes to heaven to wake Lazarus (Jhn11:41), prayed while sitting for his disciples to be one Matt 26:26. Even while sleeping Matt 8:23-27. He is not bound to be in a certain position as your stubborn religion demands of you.
The reason why you seek validation from the Bible and biblical figures is because you worship what you neither know nor understand. That is why you have a formal position to say common prayer. Every step you are told what to do and how to do it like a slave. Your relationship with Allah is that of a master-slave not father-son. Pity

No one is searching for anything to validate Islam. Those verses were compiled to show you islamophobes head knackers/slammers from the Bible you profess.

The way we perform Salah is distinct and different from the way previous messengers did. Do Moses, Elijah, etc clap, sing and pray the way you do nowadays?
In Nehemiah 8:5 downwards something similar to the way we pray was recorded.

And the verses given gave prevalence to puting the head on the ground as the best form of worship.

And yes Islam is a religion of followership; to follow Allah and his messenger send to us unlike christianity where every Tomiwa, Dike and Haruna can be a Prophet call to establish church.
Everything that will lead us to Paradise has been stated. And those that will lead us to hell too.

Our creator is not our father as we don't worship our father. Allah is far above being a father to anyone. He's far from eating, drinking or having to depend on anyone among His creation.

And supplication is not the same as worship in Islam as some of you are confused in christianity. For example Jesus put his head on the ground and then prayed.
Worship/bowing were used many times interchangeably some Bible versions.

AntiChristian:


I don't like you guys hiding and refusing to comment on the babalawo nature of Jesus's ritualistic sacrifice as desired by his father. And why does your God need a son and elders to function?
And yes, if your God supports Moses, Joshua, Elisha in killing people what moral justification do you still have?
Yahweh promulgated the apostasy law in the OT and several bloody battles.

On Abraham, where was it said that he committed fornication? And just because Jesus is Jesus too doesn't make him above sin!

This is simply a foolish analogy.



No one is searching for anything to validate Islam. Those verses were compiled to show you islamophobes head knackers/slammers from the Bible you profess.

The way we perform Salah is distinct and different from the way previous messengers did. Do Moses, Elijah, etc clap, sing and pray the way you do nowadays?
In Nehemiah 8:5 downwards something similar to the way we pray was recorded.

And the verses given gave prevalence to puting the head on the ground as the best form of worship.

And yes Islam is a religion of followership; to follow Allah and his messenger send to us unlike christianity where every Tomiwa, Dike and Haruna can be a Prophet call to establish church.
Everything that will lead us to Paradise has been stated. And those that will lead us to hell too.

Our creator is not our father as we don't worship our father. Allah is far above being a father to anyone. He's far from eating, drinking or having to depend on anyone among His creation.

And supplication is not the same as worship in Islam as some of you are confused in christianity. For example Jesus put his head on the ground and then prayed.
Worship/bowing were used many times interchangeably some Bible versions.

Now your ignorance is being laced with amusing arrogance.
FYI, babalawo actually translates to priest. And, yes, incidentally a priest and a babalawo in Jewish and Yoruba culture perform the same functions which are performing rituals and divination. So you're right and your attempt at mockery falls flat on its face.
Which leads to the next question. God said you should not kill. That he told Moses, Joshua to do so does not equate a blanket permission to kill. As a matter of fact, that's why in the story of Abraham, though he told him to sacrifice Isaac, he stopped him from doing so eventually.
So using a situation of others did it so I should is a weak argument. Moreso, if you accept Jesus is a prophet who came before Muhammad, and said no one should kill, why would Muhammad go back to killing simply because Moses and Joshua did?
The apostasy laws and others which were promulgated by God was because the Israelites were hard of heart as I already pointed out to you. If you choose to follow those laws, then you're guilty of same thing by association.

This also shows why I said you worship what you do not know. What is fornication? Must it be spelt out to you that someone has committed the act before you know he has? Or what else do you call sleeping with a woman you're not married to? Is there a different law for the prophets in your religion? Are we not all called to the same worship and reverence? Do not be like those Paul referred to as donkeys led by the noose. God gave you a brain that you might think and know.

My analogy can no longer be foolish if you need a scriptural passage to point out to you that Abraham committed adultery with Haggai and that Ishmael was an illegitimate child. God himself acknowledged his illegitimacy by declaring he couldn't be the promised child. You're bound only to what you read and not what is right before you.

I should correct you. There is nothing in those passages that shows that they followed the routine you do to pray to worship God. I could fall on the ground flat, with my chest and it will still be reported as falling on my face.
Besides, I expect you know that the particular routine of bowing down is actually copied from the pagan worshippers in Mecca where Muhammad hailed from. Your Quran also points out that he was supposed to pray facing the West but changed it due to a longing for his home. So, there's clearly nowhere in the Bible, both OT and NT, where that routine is spelt out. It's your form of worship which establishes your position as slaves. Stop seeking validation of it from the Bible, where God called Jacob Israel, which means prince with God and Jesus his son. No slaves here pls.

Moses and Elijah did clap, sing and pray. Ps47 says "clap your hands all ye people, shout unto God with a song of praise". David was known to be a "mad dancer". No slaves here.

Islam is a religion of the illegitimate son of the bondswoman. In Jewish tradition, the son of a slave has no right of inheritance. So one wonders under what authority or relationship Muhammad who came from that line obtained his prophethood. Note he is the only prophet who is outside the line of Isaac and Jacob yet not a christian. No wonder the religion promotes a slave-master relationship.
Jesus did not carry out your routine to pray. He didn't pray like a machine. He fell down due to the weariness or heaviness of his soul. Not because he's a slave. As a matter of fact, his prayer was that the impending death which he knows to be God's plan be removed from him. That doesn't sound like submission which is the theme of your worship. No slaves here!!

Agbegbaorogboye:


Now your ignorance is being laced with amusing arrogance.
FYI, babalawo actually translates to priest. And, yes, incidentally a priest and a babalawo in Jewish and Yoruba culture perform the same functions which are performing rituals and divination. So you're right and your attempt at mockery falls flat on its face.

I agree I'm ignorant cos I shouldn't know all things. Even when Jesus was asked of the hour he said he was ignorant of it and that only God knows. You aren't ignorant. But you still refuse to answer why your God needs a son? Why does He needs blood in sacrifice for people to be saved?
Since you agree babalawo are like priests is your God now the priest who sacrificed Jesus as the final ritual for you to be saved? So your divination is now to consult the Holy spirit.

Which leads to the next question. God said you should not kill. That he told Moses, Joshua to do so does not equate a blanket permission to kill. As a matter of fact, that's why in the story of Abraham, though he told him to sacrifice Isaac, he stopped him from doing so eventually.
So using a situation of others did it so I should is a weak argument. Moreso, if you accept Jesus is a prophet who came before Muhammad, and said no one should kill, why would Muhammad go back to killing simply because Moses and Joshua did?
The apostasy laws and others which were promulgated by God was because the Israelites were hard of heart as I already pointed out to you. If you choose to follow those laws, then you're guilty of same thing by association.

Moses, Joshua and others killed whom God told them to kill just as Muhammad too did. There were many non-muslims that eventually lived with Muhammad during his time in Medina. Only ignorants paint islam and Muslims as killers everywhere. I have been to almost all Yoruba states and Muslims exists in millions in some yet nothing like Boko haram therein.
Moreso, Moses/Jesus had laws for their people as sent by their Lord. We as Muslims believe in these but are not bound to follow them as they were not sent to us.

Another example is Elisha who cursed some 42 kids and the Lord caused some bears to come and kill them.
What was their offense? They called him "apari" baldhead.
How do you justify these? You just avoid it.

This also shows why I said you worship what you do not know. What is fornication? Must it be spelt out to you that someone has committed the act before you know he has? Or what else do you call sleeping with a woman you're not married to? Is there a different law for the prophets in your religion? Are we not all called to the same worship and reverence? Do not be like those Paul referred to as donkeys led by the noose. God gave you a brain that you might think and know.

Yes, it must be spelt out. Your Bible did not accuse Abraham of fornication and he was not punished. David (the ancestor of your Lord) was accused of murder, covetousness and fornication and this was clearly spelt out. Even in Genesis 38(or 39) in the story of Onan. Onan was killed by God because he spilled sperm not wanting to give his seed to his brother.

So Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham as wife. If you have evidence to prove otherwise bring it.

And in my religion Prophets do not fornicate or commit sins like murder, covetousness, etc. They are shinning examples of pureness to their people.
And who is Paul? Is he the second son of God after Jesus?

My analogy can no longer be foolish if you need a scriptural passage to point out to you that Abraham committed adultery with Haggai and that Ishmael was an illegitimate child. God himself acknowledged his illegitimacy by declaring he couldn't be the promised child. You're bound only to what you read and not what is right before you.

Yes, he is illegitimate because It was satan that approved his fertilization. How is this fairness? How will you prove your God does not discriminate now? What is the child's sin?

I should correct you. There is nothing in those passages that shows that they followed the routine you do to pray to worship God. I could fall on the ground flat, with my chest and it will still be reported as falling on my face.

No one says they follow the routine we follow. But it's similar. If they fell flat with their chest of cos that will be spelt out at least for once in the entire Bible.

Besides, I expect you know that the particular routine of bowing down is actually copied from the pagan worshippers in Mecca where Muhammad hailed from. Your Quran also points out that he was supposed to pray facing the West but changed it due to a longing for his home.

So the pagan worshippers follow the routine we do today unlike your Prophets?
And where was this to your lie above stated in the Qu'ran "longing for home"?
Here we find the evidence that you're a lair and spreader of fake news on Islam.

So, there's clearly nowhere in the Bible, both OT and NT, where that routine is spelt out. It's your form of worship which establishes your position as slaves. Stop seeking validation of it from the Bible, where God called Jacob Israel, which means prince with God and Jesus his son. No slaves here pls.

The routine is specifically for us from the time of the last Prophet. Do those people putting their faces to the ground do so for their father in worship? Do you worship your father?
And no one is seeking relevance from your book. We don't believe in it as revelation from God.

The books revealed to Moses, Abraham, David, Jesus are lost though traces of them may still exist.

Moses and Elijah did clap, sing and pray. Ps47 says "clap your hands all ye people, shout unto God with a song of praise". David was known to be a "mad dancer". No slaves here.

Are you following Moses, Elijah, David or Jesus? Why all this rantings? In one place you condemn these people and in the other place you validate them. Did Jesus clap, sing and pray as you do today?

Islam is a religion of the illegitimate son of the bondswoman. In Jewish tradition, the son of a slave has no right of inheritance. So one wonders under what authority or relationship Muhammad who came from that line obtained his prophethood. Note he is the only prophet who is outside the line of Isaac and Jacob yet not a christian. No wonder the religion promotes a slave-master relationship.

Is your God still following the Jewish era? You remind me Jesus was a Jew and died a Jew in the Bible. We are not Jewish if you and your Jesus are. We worship Allah and we are His slaves. He doesn't have sons nor partners.

Jesus did not carry out your routine to pray. He didn't pray like a machine. He fell down due to the weariness or heaviness of his soul. Not because he's a slave. As a matter of fact, his prayer was that the impending death which he knows to be God's plan be removed from him. That doesn't sound like submission which is the theme of your worship. No slaves here!!

Jesus prayed to his God while putting his face to the ground. Try and worship your father like that.

And how did your father (God) born you?

Through which wife?

AntiChristian:
I agree I'm ignorant cos I shouldn't know all things. Even when Jesus was asked of the hour he said he was ignorant of it and that only God knows. You aren't ignorant. But you still refuse to answer why your God needs a son? Why does He needs blood in sacrifice for people to be saved?
Since you agree babalawo are like priests is your God now the priest who sacrificed Jesus as the final ritual for you to be saved? So your divination is now to consult the Holy spirit.



Moses, Joshua and others killed whom God told them to kill just as Muhammad too did. There were many non-muslims that eventually lived with Muhammad during his time in Medina. Only ignorants paint islam and Muslims as killers everywhere. I have been to almost all Yoruba states and Muslims exists in millions in some yet nothing like Boko haram therein.
Moreso, Moses/Jesus had laws for their people as sent by their Lord. We as Muslims believe in these but are not bound to follow them as they were not sent to us.

Another example is Elisha who cursed some 42 kids and the Lord caused some bears to come and kill them.
What was their offense? They called him "apari" baldhead.
How do you justify these? You just avoid it.


Yes, it must be spelt out. Your Bible did not accuse Abraham of fornication and he was not punished. David (the ancestor of your Lord) was accused of murder, covetousness and fornication and this was clearly spelt out. Even in Genesis 38(or 39) in the story of Onan. Onan was killed by God because he spilled sperm not wanting to give his seed to his brother.

So Sarah gave Hagar to Abraham as wife. If you have evidence to prove otherwise bring it.

And in my religion Prophets do not fornicate or commit sins like murder, covetousness, etc. They are shinning examples of pureness to their people.
And who is Paul? Is he the second son of God after Jesus?



Yes, he is illegitimate because It was satan that approved his fertilization. How is this fairness? How will you prove your God does not discriminate now? What is the child's sin?


No one says they follow the routine we follow. But it's similar. If they fell flat with their chest of cos that will be spelt out at least for once in the entire Bible.



So the pagan worshippers follow the routine we do today unlike your Prophets?
And where was this to your lie above stated in the Qu'ran "longing for home"?
Here we find the evidence that you're a lair and spreader of fake news on Islam.


The routine is specifically for us from the time of the last Prophet. Do those people putting their faces to the ground do so for their father in worship? Do you worship your father?
And no one is seeking relevance from your book. We don't believe in it as revelation from God.

The books revealed to Moses, Abraham, David, Jesus are lost though traces of them may still exist.

Are you following Moses, Elijah, David or Jesus? Why all this rantings? In one place you condemn these people and in the other place you validate them. Did Jesus clap, sing and pray as you do today?



Is your God still following the Jewish era? You remind me Jesus was a Jew and died a Jew in the Bible. We are not Jewish if you and your Jesus are. We worship Allah and we are His slaves. He doesn't have sons nor partners.



Jesus prayed to his God while putting his face to the ground. Try and worship your father like that.

And how did your father (God) born you?

Through which wife?

Good you agree you're ignorant. It is the first step to bliss. Now the mystery of the sacrifice of Jesus is found in the symbolism of the sacrifice of Abraham in which Isaac was to be the sacrificial lamb. At least that exists in your religion and you even celebrate it. The funny thing is you never asked why God would ever demand a ritual of Abraham and even ask him to use his son. Don't forget that the ram you all slaughter and eat at the feast is a symbolism of the ram that was used to replace Isaac, provided by God himself. unfortunately, you in your hypocrisy have never questioned why God needs the ram to be slaughtered. But I understand that slaves don't ask questions. They only take whatever is told to them no matter how ridiculous it sounds. Now, asking why God needs a son is also equivalent to asking why God needed a slave? What's ur purpose? Why would God create you a slave to hit his head on the ground five times a day all your life? What satisfaction does that bring God?
God needed a son, because God needed a relationship with someone of his kind and likeness of mind. God needed angels as well which is why he created them. God needed elders as well. God needed other sons and he created me. God needed slaves and he created you. It's simple. Everyone have their place and purpose in God's masterplan. God is not the priest. Jesus is the priest and also the lamb of sacrifice. As said in Hebrews, that we have a high priest of the order of Mechizedek, whom is Jesus. As also said by John the Baptist "Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
So you see, God needed a son to help him redeem his creature back to himself when they fell astray from the path he had chosen for them. It's funny you claim Jesus is ignorant but you hid the ignorance of Muhammad who said he doesn't even know where he is going after he dies just as everyone else. Jesus, knew he was returning to the Father, and also knew he was going back to be the chief mediator and intercessor. Can you tell what Muhammad's part in before God after he has departed this world? Or is he waiting for the judgement day like everyone else? What of if he ends up in hell? Jesus was talking about the hour God will judge man. If you see that as evidence of his ignorance, Can you tell us the hour Muhammad told you God is coming to judge you his slaves?

Like I already told you, Moses killed yes!! So did Joshua. But it was as a direct result of the "hardness of their hearts" and the condemnation of those whom God had already passed a judgement on. So it was not a random killing exercise. Can you show where God commanded Muhammad to kill the people of Mecca? or the Jews he fought against? He treacherously killed all those he saw as a threat to himself and the religion he sought to propagate. Besides, let's assume Moses and Joshua and Muhammad kill because they had no choice in the matter. Well, Jesus showed a better way. Even when he had all the powers, he refused to kill. Is that not evidence of a stronger and higher prophet I ask you? He didn't kill because he came to save. Moses, Joshua and Muhammad went about killing because they had no mandate to save lives. I hope you can see whose commission is higher now. Just as in Elisha too. Mind you, those children being killed does not mean God necessarily supports their dying. That's where you keep missing the point. God allows some things to happen to show his power and might. Not necessarily that he supports it.

Well here is how the narration of the place of Hagar is between Abraham and Sarah in Genesis 16

4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.

When she knew she was pregnant, she began to despise her mistress. 5 Then Sarai said to Abram, “You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my slave in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the Lord judge between you and me.”

6 “Your slave is in your hands,” Abram said. “Do with her whatever you think best.” Then Sarai mistreated Hagar; so she fled from her.

7 The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?”

“I’m running away from my mistress Sarai,” she answered.

9 Then the angel of the Lord told her, “Go back to your mistress and submit to her.”

In verse 5, Sarah calls her slave, in verse 6, Abraham calls her slave and in verse 8, the angel calls her slave. Why has no one called her Abraham's wife?
Also in Genesis 17

17 Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”

19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac.[d] I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” 22 When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

You can clearly see God referring to Sarah as Abraham's wife, and not cousin. For they were cousins before he married her. You can also see here, God clearly rejecting Ishmael when Abraham was to push him forward as the son of promise. Can you pls tell us why God rejected Ishmael if not for his illegitimacy?
Here is Genesis 22 as well

2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

You can see God clearly recognizing Isaac as God's only son. Or has God suddenly become ignorant or forgetful of Ishmael's existence?

If you say Prophets do not sin, shall I ask what happened with Adam that led to the fall of man. Or is Adam not counted among the prophets in your religion? If Adam had not sinned, would we not have remained in Eden? What about Moses? Why did he not enter the promised land?
Even your Muhammad was known to sleep with slaves. Is that not a sin in your religion? Why then in the Sura was he asked to pray for forgiveness for his sins if he was sinless? He was also reputed to have prayed for forgiveness in the hadith. Lol

Don't worry about the identity of Paul. You won't understand it even if the days turned to night and the nights turned to day. Just limit yourself to the divinity of Jesus.

Sorry. Go and ask God. Slaves don't ask questions I forgot. So you dare not.

Well, it will not be. Because falling on one's face in Hebrew is same word like in prayers or greetings. There is no differentiation. What i'm explaining to you is that they did not go up, then bow midway then face down ass up as you do, They fell flat on the ground like in a prostrate.

Maybe you should go and find out why you Muslims face the East when praying. You should stop being a donkey I've told you. Muhammad used to face the direction of Jerusalem (home of the Jews) when praying. I'm even surprised you don't know this!!

Well, again, no one is following Moses or Elijah. You asked me if anyone used to pray and dance and clap and I show you examples and then you are angry. Na wa o. Well, for your information, Jesus sang during the last supper. He prayed and gave thanks many times in the Bible. Besides this, his disciples clapped and sang and prayed like we do now.
Sorry Christianity is not a religion of slaves. As Romans chapter 8 says that we have been made sons by the death of Jesus Christ on the tree. So you see, we are children of God. That is why we are not hard of heart, nor donkeys led by the noose, nor slaves.
But we are heirs of His kingdom where Jesus His firstborn is seated at his right hand as the true prince of peace.
Hallelujah!!

Agbegbaorogboye:


Good you agree you're ignorant. It is the first step to bliss. Now the mystery of the sacrifice of Jesus is found in the symbolism of the sacrifice of Abraham in which Isaac was to be the sacrificial lamb. At least that exists in your religion and you even celebrate it. The funny thing is you never asked why God would ever demand a ritual of Abraham and even ask him to use his son. Don't forget that the ram you all slaughter and eat at the feast is a symbolism of the ram that was used to replace Isaac, provided by God himself. unfortunately, you in your hypocrisy have never questioned why God needs the ram to be slaughtered. But I understand that slaves don't ask questions. They only take whatever is told to them no matter how ridiculous it sounds. Now, asking why God needs a son is also equivalent to asking why God needed a slave? What's ur purpose? Why would God create you a slave to hit his head on the ground five times a day all your life? What satisfaction does that bring God?
God needed a son, because God needed a relationship with someone of his kind and likeness of mind. God needed angels as well which is why he created them. God needed elders as well. God needed other sons and he created me. God needed slaves and he created you. It's simple. Everyone have their place and purpose in God's masterplan. God is not the priest. Jesus is the priest and also the lamb of sacrifice. As said in Hebrews, that we have a high priest of the order of Mechizedek, whom is Jesus. As also said by John the Baptist "Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.
So you see, God needed a son to help him redeem his creature back to himself when they fell astray from the path he had chosen for them. It's funny you claim Jesus is ignorant but you hid the ignorance of Muhammad who said he doesn't even know where he is going after he dies just as everyone else. Jesus, knew he was returning to the Father, and also knew he was going back to be the chief mediator and intercessor. Can you tell what Muhammad's part in before God after he has departed this world? Or is he waiting for the judgement day like everyone else? What of if he ends up in hell? Jesus was talking about the hour God will judge man. If you see that as evidence of his ignorance, Can you tell us the hour Muhammad told you God is coming to judge you his slaves?

Like I already told you, Moses killed yes!! So did Joshua. But it was as a direct result of the "hardness of their hearts" and the condemnation of those whom God had already passed a judgement on. So it was not a random killing exercise. Can you show where God commanded Muhammad to kill the people of Mecca? or the Jews he fought against? He treacherously killed all those he saw as a threat to himself and the religion he sought to propagate. Besides, let's assume Moses and Joshua and Muhammad kill because they had no choice in the matter. Well, Jesus showed a better way. Even when he had all the powers, he refused to kill. Is that not evidence of a stronger and higher prophet I ask you? He didn't kill because he came to save. Moses, Joshua and Muhammad went about killing because they had no mandate to save lives. I hope you can see whose commission is higher now. Just as in Elisha too. Mind you, those children being killed does not mean God necessarily supports their dying. That's where you keep missing the point. God allows some things to happen to show his power and might. Not necessarily that he supports it.

Well here is how the narration of the place of Hagar is between Abraham and Sarah in Genesis 16

In verse 5, Sarah calls her slave, in verse 6, Abraham calls her slave and in verse 8, the angel calls her slave. Why has no one called her Abraham's wife?
Also in Genesis 17


You can clearly see God referring to Sarah as Abraham's wife, and not cousin. For they were cousins before he married her. You can also see here, God clearly rejecting Ishmael when Abraham was to push him forward as the son of promise. Can you pls tell us why God rejected Ishmael if not for his illegitimacy?
Here is Genesis 22 as well


You can see God clearly recognizing Isaac as God's only son. Or has God suddenly become ignorant or forgetful of Ishmael's existence?

If you say Prophets do not sin, shall I ask what happened with Adam that led to the fall of man. Or is Adam not counted among the prophets in your religion? If Adam had not sinned, would we not have remained in Eden? What about Moses? Why did he not enter the promised land?
Even your Muhammad was known to sleep with slaves. Is that not a sin in your religion? Why then in the Sura was he asked to pray for forgiveness for his sins if he was sinless? He was also reputed to have prayed for forgiveness in the hadith. Lol

Don't worry about the identity of Paul. You won't understand it even if the days turned to night and the nights turned to day. Just limit yourself to the divinity of Jesus.

Sorry. Go and ask God. Slaves don't ask questions I forgot. So you dare not.

Well, it will not be. Because falling on one's face in Hebrew is same word like in prayers or greetings. There is no differentiation. What i'm explaining to you is that they did not go up, then bow midway then face down ass up as you do, They fell flat on the ground like in a prostrate.

Maybe you should go and find out why you Muslims face the East when praying. You should stop being a donkey I've told you. Muhammad used to face the direction of Jerusalem (home of the Jews) when praying. I'm even surprised you don't know this!!

Well, again, no one is following Moses or Elijah. You asked me if anyone used to pray and dance and clap and I show you examples and then you are angry. Na wa o. Well, for your information, Jesus sang during the last supper. He prayed and gave thanks many times in the Bible. Besides this, his disciples clapped and sang and prayed like we do now.
Sorry Christianity is not a religion of slaves. As Romans chapter 8 says that we have been made sons by the death of Jesus Christ on the tree. So you see, we are children of God. That is why we are not hard of heart, nor donkeys led by the noose, nor slaves.
But we are heirs of His kingdom where Jesus His firstborn is seated at his right hand as the true prince of peace.
Hallelujah!!

Actually I dislike all this merry-go-round and time wasting. You lied about Muhammad in your last post and this simply shows you as a false representative of christ and the holy spirit. You even have to submit to a lie before getting here.

So you can shove all yyoir lies in your throat and swallow them.
Sleeping with slaves is not a sin in Islam as in the OT. Even in the NT, submit to your master is there to slaves. Another lie.
I also never said Prophets don't sin. I said they don't commit sins like murder, fornication, covetousness, drunkenness, etc as you Christians states for them. Another lie. Adam disobeyed God. It's a sin but he didn't commit great sins.

Jesus admitted his ignorance in your Bible.

And God kills someone without supporting their death. Doesn't this sound foolish?

Finally, you said your God needed a son to help him redeem his creations back to himself. He can't do this himself.

My God doesn't need help from anyone!

I'll rather worship my Lord who needs no helper. He is the creator of everything.

Genesis 16:3
So after Abram had been living in Canaan(ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

This is your fornication maybe because they didn't call your pastor to join them together.

Genesis 16:1-2 states:
Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children.But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Sarai wishes to build a family through her slave and Abraham agreed to this. Wasn't this present in their culture already?

We are proud of being Allah's slaves.
We are proud of the way we worship Allah.
We will never worship a God that needs help from his son to die so as to be able to redeem his other sons!
Our God has no partner/son/wife/helper.
Glory be to Allah!
Alhamdulillahi for the light of Islam.

AntiChristian:


Actually I dislike all this merry-go-round and time wasting. You lied about Muhammad in your last post and this simply shows you as a false representative of christ and the holy spirit. You even have to submit to a lie before getting here.

So you can shove all yyoir lies in your throat and swallow them.
Sleeping with slaves is not a sin in Islam as in the OT. Even in the NT, submit to your master is there to slaves. Another lie.
I also never said Prophets don't sin. I said they don't commit sins like murder, fornication, covetousness, drunkenness, etc as you Christians states for them. Another lie. Adam disobeyed God. It's a sin but he didn't commit great sins.

Jesus admitted his ignorance in your Bible.

And God kills someone without supporting their death. Doesn't this sound foolish?

Finally, you said your God needed a son to help him redeem his creations back to himself. He can't do this himself.

My God doesn't need help from anyone!

I'll rather worship my Lord who needs no helper. He is the creator of everything.

Genesis 16:3
So after Abram had been living in Canaan(ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

This is your fornication maybe because they didn't call your pastor to join them together.

Genesis 16:1-2 states:
Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children.But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Sarai wishes to build a family through her slave and Abraham agreed to this. Wasn't this present in their culture already?

We are proud of being Allah's slaves.
We are proud of the way we worship Allah.
We will never worship a God that needs help from his son to die so as to be able to redeem his other sons!
Our God has no partner/son/wife/helper.
Glory be to Allah!
Alhamdulillahi for the light of Islam.

I did not lie against your Muhammad. It is common knowledge he used to pray towards Jerusalem while in medina but was told to change towards Mecca. What I said about longing for his home was one of the reasons given by a writer. But even if it were to be a lie, it means nothing since taqiyya is actively allowed in your religion. So why fret about taqiyya? Besides, you have said many lies about the Bible in the course of our discussion. Oh here's another one of those. Where in the Bible is sleeping with slaves allowed? You see?

Lol. At little sin and great sin. Sorry there's nothing of such in Christianity. Sin is sin and sinners require same repentance and salvation not a big one or a little one.
If Adam's sin which is disobedience was a little sin, why then does the whole race including Muhammad suffer for it? You need to meet God and remind him of how little a sin that was cause he didn't get it. He seems to place his prophets on a higher pedestal. Well, David was also a prophet and yet he committed fornication.

Jesus admitted his ignorance about the rapture hour. Yet Muhammad admits his ignorance about whether he'll even make heaven and even begged for prayers from you his fellow slaves. Talk about the helpless helping each other.
I'm sure you're not aware of principles of God called perfect will and permissive will. That God allows something to happen does not mean he supports it. The story of Job is ample evidence of this. But you can't know this cause you're slaves following your Allah blindly. Where he leads you and his mind, you don't know. You worship what you do not know.

Your God needs no helper yet you have Muhammad giving you the Quran. One wonders why he was spoken to through Gabriel and not Alah himself. You're just a confused soul. How do you even know it's not a demon that spoke to your Muhammad in his fits of epilepsy? Even your Muhammad was schooled by a Christian yet you all feel you're superior. Lol.

Again you show your ignorance. Who instituted marriage? If God who instituted marriage gave conditions for a union to qualify as marriage, shall Sarai be the new authority to decide who is married or not? In case you don't know, God does not support polygamy. He clearly says in Genesis that a man shall cling to his wife (not wives) and the two shall become one. Can you show me where he said a man shall take his wife's slave? What marriage do you do without payment of dowry to the family of the wife in Eastern culture? Your ignorance is appalling. Haggai never called Abraham her husband. Neither did God. Nor Sarai, nor did Abraham ever called her his wife. I guess a wife builds a family from another wife in your hollow brain. She was a surrogate. Every thing she has and own belongs to Sarai. Besides, if Sarai really wanted Haggai to be a proper wife, she could have set her free first. A similar situation also occurs with Jacob. But none of the two slaves were recorded as his wife. Your ignorance in this matter should make you quiet forthwith. So stop seeking for validation for the sexual sins and covetousness of Muhammad from his fellow humans. They both erred because they are humans. You need to continue to pray for Muhammad so he doesn't burn in hell like he asked you to.

Ok then proud slaves worshipping Allah who needs help from Jebreel to speak to epileptic Muhammad who doesn't know where he is going to give information to his fellow slaves.
Congratulations on your blind leading the blind, taqiyya infested religion.
Just as Ishmael was rejected, you have been rejected even by your Allah. If you like hit your head on the floor till your skull cracks, you're just a slave and nothing for you. Lol

Agbegbaorogboye:


I did not lie against your Muhammad. It is common knowledge he used to pray towards Jerusalem while in medina but was told to change towards Mecca. What I said about longing for his home was one of the reasons given by a writer. But even if it were to be a lie, it means nothing since taqiyya is actively allowed in your religion. So why fret about taqiyya? Besides, you have said many lies about the Bible in the course of our discussion. Oh here's another one of those. Where in the Bible is sleeping with slaves allowed? You see?

Of cos quoting a liar is same as telling it. Saying it's in the Qu'ran that Muhammad was longing for home is a big lie. What does taqiyya mean? So it's permitted by Jesus to lie? Opuro osi.

I asked of the verse where Muhammad was longing for home so bring it.

As regards slaves, they are properties of the owner.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:7-11

So as you can see, if the slave doesn't die, then there is no punishment, it is just a loss for the owner since the slave is too hurt to work! WOW! So this means, you can hurt your slave as much as you want, just make sure IT doesn't die, and the reason I say IT is because it is clear the Bible regards slaves as mere processions, an object, like land, and not a human being.

Lol. At little sin and great sin. Sorry there's nothing of such in Christianity. Sin is sin and sinners require same repentance and salvation not a big one or a little one.
If Adam's sin which is disobedience was a little sin, why then does the whole race including Muhammad suffer for it? You need to meet God and remind him of how little a sin that was cause he didn't get it. He seems to place his prophets on a higher pedestal. Well, David was also a prophet and yet he committed fornication

That's you own religion. There are major and minor sins. Worship other gods or joining others with God is a major sin as well as murder, fornication etc. Our own David was not a murderer and fornicator like yours. And we didn't inherit any sin from anyone. No carrier of burden will carry others burden.

Jesus admitted his ignorance about the rapture hour. Yet Muhammad admits his ignorance about whether he'll even make heaven and even begged for prayers from you his fellow slaves. Talk about the helpless helping each other.

Jesus' ignorance is everlasting. Muhammad didn't know if he'll make heaven until it was revealed to him. You read where he wasn't aware but refuse to be read the other part so as keep your narration intact.

I'm sure you're not aware of principles of God called perfect will and permissive will. That God allows something to happen does not mean he supports it. The story of Job is ample evidence of this. But you can't know this cause you're slaves following your Allah blindly. Where he leads you and his mind, you don't know. You worship what you do not know.

Does your God even had a plan for humans before creating them? Is He even all-knowing? All-powerful? No wonder the Bible says your God repents/regrets. God permits something to happen yet he doesn't support it.

Your God needs no helper yet you have Muhammad giving you the Quran. One wonders why he was spoken to through Gabriel and not Alah himself. You're just a confused soul. How do you even know it's not a demon that spoke to your Muhammad in his fits of epilepsy? Even your Muhammad was schooled by a Christian yet you all feel you're superior. Lol.

Muhammad is a messenger of Allah. You already called us Allah's slaves so why bother. Allah does whatever He wills and He can't be questioned. Shebi your God was helped by his son as you said before.
If what you said was true then Paul never met Jesus Christ in his life. He met a demon possed as Jesus. He later wrote more books in NT than all the other 11 disciples combined. Na demon work.

Again you show your ignorance. Who instituted marriage? If God who instituted marriage gave conditions for a union to qualify as marriage, shall Sarai be the new authority to decide who is married or not? In case you don't know, God does not support polygamy. He clearly says in Genesis that a man shall cling to his wife (not wives) and the two shall become one. Can you show me where he said a man shall take his wife's slave? What marriage do you do without payment of dowry to the family of the wife in Eastern culture? Your ignorance is appalling. Haggai never called Abraham her husband. Neither did God. Nor Sarai, nor did Abraham ever called her his wife. I guess a wife builds a family from another wife in your hollow brain. She was a surrogate. Every thing she has and own belongs to Sarai. Besides, if Sarai really wanted Haggai to be a proper wife, she could have set her free first. A similar situation also occurs with Jacob. But none of the two slaves were recorded as his wife. Your ignorance in this matter should make you quiet forthwith. So stop seeking for validation for the sexual sins and covetousness of Muhammad from his fellow humans. They both erred because they are humans. You need to continue to pray for Muhammad so he doesn't burn in hell like he asked you to.

Ok then proud slaves worshipping Allah who needs help from Jebreel to speak to epileptic Muhammad who doesn't know where he is going to give information to his fellow slaves.
Congratulations on your blind leading the blind, taqiyya infested religion.
Just as Ishmael was rejected, you have been rejected even by your Allah. If you like hit your head on the floor till your skull cracks, you're just a slave and nothing for you. Lol

It is often said that Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus of the Christians prescribe one man for one woman so how come tens of Prophets/men of God had more than one wives and or concubines?

Cain's son Lamech and Moses had 2 wives. David had 8 wives! Solomon 300 wives and 700 concubines! Gideon had many wives!
Deuteronomy 21:1-17 suggest marriage of multiple wives including captured prisoners gotten from conquests.

Elkanah a godly man and father of Samuel had 2 wives. Abraham, the father of faith had two wives!

In 2 Samuel 12 when the prophet Nathan confronts David over his sin with Bathsheba, we read: "This is what the Lord God of Israel says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. I have given you your master's house and your master's wives into your bosom … and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and as if this wasn't enough, I would have given you even more."

Is it that all of these men of God were not guided (by the Holy spirit) in their marriages?

And lastly Yahweh prescribed law to protect first wife in Polygamy- Exo 21:10 "If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights."

Bye bye o

AntiChristian:

Of cos quoting a liar is same as telling it. Saying it's in the Qu'ran that Muhammad was longing for home is a big lie. What does taqiyya mean? So it's permitted by Jesus to lie? Opuro osi.

I asked of the verse where Muhammad was longing for home so bring it.

Seems you're not only ignorant of Christianity but also Islam. Well here is the link and caption with the Quranic verse 2:144. Hope you can accept your ignorance and apologise for calling me a liar.
https://www.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=1743&CategoryID=5

As regards slaves, they are properties of the owner.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.
Exodus 21:7-11

So as you can see, if the slave doesn't die, then there is no punishment, it is just a loss for the owner since the slave is too hurt to work! WOW! So this means, you can hurt your slave as much as you want, just make sure IT doesn't die, and the reason I say IT is because it is clear the Bible regards slaves as mere processions, an object, like land, and not a human being.

I can understand your empathy for a slave, you being a slave yourself. But what I don't understand is why you're angry that the Bible gives instruction to those who are hard of heart just as your Quran does. And you're still yet to show where the Bible says you can have sex with your slaves. Why are you holding the OT to a standard even your Muhammad falls short of? I thought he was the faultless and prefect messenger? In all cultures, slaves are to be used as the owner sees fit, even buried with the owner in some circumstances. So don't single out the God of the OT for blame in matters of slave. Which is why he offered us a better deal in the NT where you're expected to love your neighbor as yourself. So if you and Muhammad chose to follow the hard way, why blame the Bible? If you choose to be a "IT", whose fault is that? Haggai was a slave. Her son was illegitimate. He had no line of priesthood or prophet hood until Muhammad. Which is why he's so-called calling is very doubtful. The son of the slave woman shall have no inheritance with the son of the free woman. It's your choice. Stop whining and seeking validation from the Bible.

That's you own religion. There are major and minor sins. Worship other gods or joining others with God is a major sin as well as murder, fornication etc. Our own David was not a murderer and fornicator like yours. And we didn't inherit any sin from anyone. No carrier of burden will carry others burden.

You couldn't answer why since Adam committed minor sin, man feel through him. Or why Moses was not allowed to enter the promised land since his sin is minor. No wonder you have taqiyya. You are allowed to grade sin. Where then is the call to holiness in Islam or is your Allah not holy? If you inherited no sin why then do you need to convert to Islam? It implies you're perfect from birth and need not move to any other way. Why would Muhammad be converted to Islam if he was sinless from birth. How did you become slaves or did Allah create you to be slaves? You should question a religion that says you're created to be an object, property etc. Even a dog has more dignity.

Jesus' ignorance is everlasting. Muhammad didn't know if he'll make heaven until it was revealed to him. You read where he wasn't aware but refuse to be read the other part so as keep your narration intact.

Lol. Muhammad said he didn't know where he is going, what else is there to say. Does Muhammad know the day of judgement? If you accuse Jesus of ignorance of not knowing the day of judgement, how is Muhammad any better in that regard? FYI Jesus in human form does not know, but Jesus seated on the right hand of God knows. You're simply ignorant of the divinity of Jesus.

Does your God even had a plan for humans before creating them? Is He even all-knowing? All-powerful? No wonder the Bible says your God repents/regrets. God permits something to happen yet he doesn't support it.

God's plan for human beings is well quoted in Gen 1-4 and John 3:16. Can you tell me your Allah's plan for his slaves? Is it to keep them in perpetual slavery? Is your relationship with Allah one of masochism? Tell pls Allah's plan for his slaves

Muhammad is a messenger of Allah. You already called us Allah's slaves so why bother. Allah does whatever He wills and He can't be questioned. Shebi your God was helped by his son as you said before.
If what you said was true then Paul never met Jesus Christ in his life. He met a demon possed as Jesus. He later wrote more books in NT than all the other 11 disciples combined. Na demon work.

Lol. But Paul was converted by Ananias now. Not by some phantom angels. So how does that even compare with your Muhammad and his epileptic fits.

It is often said that Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus of the Christians prescribe one man for one woman so how come tens of Prophets/men of God had more than one wives and or concubines?

Cain's son Lamech and Moses had 2 wives. David had 8 wives! Solomon 300 wives and 700 concubines! Gideon had many wives!
Deuteronomy 21:1-17 suggest marriage of multiple wives including captured prisoners gotten from conquests.

Elkanah a godly man and father of Samuel had 2 wives. Abraham, the father of faith had two wives!

In 2 Samuel 12 when the prophet Nathan confronts David over his sin with Bathsheba, we read: "This is what the Lord God of Israel says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. I have given you your master's house and your master's wives into your bosom … and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and as if this wasn't enough, I would have given you even more."

Is it that all of these men of God were not guided (by the Holy spirit) in their marriages?

Is any marriage in Islam guided by any spirit. God gives his laws. Imperfect men strive to live by them. They end up failing which is why Jesus came. For if the law profits, there will be no need for a new covenant through Jesus. Can you tell me why Muhammad came? Cause Judaism was in existence while he came and he was even tutored by a Jew from whom he plagiarized the Quran. Lol

And lastly Yahweh prescribed law to protect first wife in Polygamy- Exo 21:10 "If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights."

How does your quote prove that God supports polygamy? You're just an ignorant slave

Running away so quick? It's obvious you're just an ignorant slave. I was just beginning to enjoy the debate but you see, your Islam is so terribly deficient you can't defend it. Pity