femi4:
small mind

Death isn't the end

a great mind lives a fulfilled life and when it is time to go knows he has done his work, it is only a feeble mind that wants to live forever, and they are mostly greedy and selfish BTW

Blakjewelry:

a great mind lives a fulfilled life and when it is time to go knows he has done his work, it is only a feeble mind that wants to live forever, and they are mostly greedy and selfish BTW

A natural man understand not the things of the spirit. Allow him to swim in his folly

The romans/greek will still invent the story.....and the character jesus..

The most accurate answer to the OP.

femi4:
A natural man understand not the things of the spirit. Allow him to swim in his folly

yeap a continent so filled with spirit yet so dark. the words to describe us is not yet found

femi4:
Go back and read my post. You can as well check for the meaning of VICTORY

"It is finished" not "I m finished".... Know the difference

"Victory" also applied to His declaration on the cross , "It is finished" since without that completion, nothing else would have mattered.

By going to the cross, He completed His very assignment which was announced by the prophets, the New Covenant that God promised to His people.

His resurrection however announced the beginning of the plan God made in Genesis to bless the nations of the world through the seed of Abraham.

Blakjewelry:

yeap a continent so filled with spirit yet so dark. the words to describe us is not yet found

That does not dilute the message. Attack those that know the truth but failed to do the truth.

The truth never change, and you can't suppress the truth no matter how hard you try

Kobojunkiee:
"Victory" also applied to His declaration on the cross , "It is finished" since without that completion, nothing else would have mattered.

By going to the cross, He completed His very assignment which was announced by the prophets, the New Covenant that God promised to His people.

His resurrection however announced the beginning of the plan God made in Genesis to bless the nations of the world through the seed of Abraham.

Pls, he never mentioned Victory on the cross. He clearly said "It is FINISHED"

Kobojunkiee:
Peter, Saul, John, James, Stephen, Barnabas, etc. were Jews, where they not? All those who walked with Jesus Christ while He was alive were Jews, were they not?

Jesus Christ did not lead a revolution since a revolution supposes He believed in the government of this world, a government of men. Careful read through His teachibgs would reveal that to anyone who cared to know of Him. The letters written by His disciples also serves evidence against your claim of some sort of revolution.

you are talking about what you read in the bible. If you have ever listened to an actual jew speak you will understand what I'm talking about. Jewish people say Jesus Christ was a philosopher who wanted to lead a revolution against the Roman empire by declaring himself king of the Jews and got hanged for it. Hanging was a normal punishment in Roman empire. I'm not talking about bible, I'm talking about Jewish people. There are real Jewish humans on earth, they're not Christians their religion is Judaism. Christians are a minority in Israel

femi4:
That does not dilute the message. Attack those that know the truth but failed to do the truth.

The truth never change, and you can't suppress the truth no matter how hard you try

lol you want to know the truth go back to the root of your Bible, go and read the original books not included and come back for baby Christian

Blakjewelry:

lol you want to know the truth go back to the root of your Bible, go and read the original books not included and come back for baby Christian

lol....The more you try, the more the frustration

Walkee:
you are talking about what you read in the bible. If you have ever listened to an actual jew speak you will understand what I'm talking about. Jewish people say Jesus Christ was a philosopher who wanted to lead a revolution against the Roman empire by declaring himself king of the Jews and got hanged for it. Hanging was a normal punishment in Roman empire. I'm not talking about bible, I'm talking about Jewish people. There are real Jewish humans on earth, they're not Christians their religion is Judaism. Christians are a minority in Israel

lol the funny is there so many resistance to Roman reign in the time of just, he wasn't even considered a major threat unlike many others who rally many people around them as the Messiah. The truth is the black man is lost and he looking comfort hence reaction to these religion without it they will feel hopeless.israel is still a nation today and they are not a Christian country, they even acknowledge some of their old script are just myth and just part of their ancient culture but Nigerian will tell they have Devine relevation that are the chosen, well it is all in a bid to escape reality

femi4:
lol....The more you try, the more the frustration

lol I am just passing time with you, I don't expect you to change. beside I think without religion many of you will turn out to be maniacs so it helps to keep many in check. even with religion and all it rewards and punishment tactics many of you are still running amok imagine without it.
and again I have walked in your shoes so it will be useless to convince you otherwise. infact it is impossible for me to do that, everybody has there own path. when I have my own kid, I won't try and stop them from following whichever way they want to go as long as it is moral path, so why would I want to change a grown ass man. I was once an overzeleous Christian, but my can't asking questions and seeking more knowledge, so seeking knowledge led me here, I took the path here alone

Walkee:
you are talking about what you read in the bible. If you have ever listened to an actual jew speak you will understand what I'm talking about. Jewish people say Jesus Christ was a philosopher who wanted to lead a revolution against the Roman empire by declaring himself king of the Jews and got hanged for it. Hanging was a normal punishment in Roman empire. I'm not talking about bible, I'm talking about Jewish people. There are real Jewish humans on earth, they're not Christians their religion is Judaism. Christians are a minority in Israel

I am not certain how any of this changes what I stated on this.

femi4:
Pls, he never mentioned Victory on the cross. He clearly said "It is FINISHED"

You introduced the word "victory" to this conversation, did you not?

femi4:
Go back and read my post. You can as well check for the meaning of VICTORY

"It is finished" not "I m finished".... Know the difference

Jesus Christ declared on the cross, right before He died, "It is finished" , meaning His mission to the Lost Sheep was completed just before His death.
When you complete a task or a mission, is not a form of victory?

Kobojunkiee:
You introduced the word "victory" to this conversation, did you not?

I used victory where it was appropriate

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ declared on the cross, right before He died, "It is finished" , meaning His mission to the Lost Sheep was completed just before His death.
When you complete a task or a mission, is not a form of victory?

His mission in FLESH is completed. The victory is in resurrection

femi4:
I used victory where it was appropriate

And I am telling you that "Victory" also applies where Jesus Christ delivered ,just before His death, the New Covenant that was promised to the people from the time of the prophets..

femi4:
His mission in FLESH is completed. The victory is in resurrection

Mission in flesh? What rose from the dead, was it butter?
His finishing of the New Covenant was victory as well. His resurrection was an ushering in of a new dawn for those of the gentile world.

Kobojunkiee:
Mission in flesh? What rose from the dead, was it butter?

Ignorance ,

Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father and to My God and your God’ ” (John 20:17).

femi4:
Ignorance ,

Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father and to My God and your God’ ” (John 20:17).

So where does it say, in that verse there, that Jesus Christ was not flesh and blood?

And when He raised Lazarus, and so many others from the dead, where they also not of flesh and blood that were raised?

Kobojunkiee:
So where does it say, in that verse there, that Jesus Christ was not flesh and blood?

And when He raised Lazarus, and so many others from the dead, where they also not of flesh and blood that were raised?

His death and that of Lazarus weren't the same. Lazarus didn't raise himself from the dead. He did and ascended to the Father first . Please read your Bible.

femi4:
His death and that of Lazarus weren't the same. Lazarus didn't raise himself from the dead. He did and ascended to the Father first . Please read your Bible.

Oh ok. Let's go with that premise then.

So, you are saying that Jesus Christ raising Himself from the dead meant Jesus Chirst could not in fact raise all of Himself(flesh and blood) from death but only a part of Himself?

And when Thomas poked His finger into Jesus Christ's wounds, was Thomas touched was not flesh and blood but something that appeared to be flesh and blood?

PrimadonnaO:


Nahh, not copied. Lol.

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Kobojunkiee:
Oh ok. Let's go with that premise then.

So, you are saying that Jesus Christ raising Himself from the dead meant Jesus Chirst could not in fact raise all of Himself(flesh and blood) from death but only a part of Himself?

lol...He was going to appear before the Father, definitely in spirit not as flesh .


He was in flesh, to make relationship between him and mortals easier.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

femi4:
lol...He was going to appear before the Father, definitely in spirit not as flesh
He was in flesh, to make relationship between him and mortals easier.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

You are jumping all the place here. I asked you at least one question there....

Kobojunkiee:
Oh ok. Let's go with that premise then.

So, you are saying that Jesus Christ raising Himself from the dead meant Jesus Chirst could not in fact raise all of Himself(flesh and blood) from death but only a part of Himself?

And when Thomas poked His finger into Jesus Christ's wounds, was Thomas touched was not flesh and blood but something that appeared to be flesh and blood?

When Jesus Christ rose from dead, He was still on earth and by John 1 vs 14, still required His flesh suit, did He not?

Kobojunkiee:
You are jumping all the place here. I asked you two questions there....

If you are intelligent, you should see your answer in-between the lines

Thomas case was after he appeared to the disciples. He appeared to the father before the disciples

femi4:
If you are intelligent, you should see your answer in-between the lines

john vs 14 said He came to earth in flesh. So, since he was still on earth when He rose, according to John 1vs 14, His flesh was still needed.
Also,

Kobojunkiee:
Oh ok. Let's go with that premise then.

So, you are saying that Jesus Christ raising Himself from the dead meant Jesus Chirst could not in fact raise all of Himself(flesh and blood) from death but only a part of Himself?

And when Thomas poked His finger into Jesus Christ's wounds, was Thomas touched was not flesh and blood but something that appeared to be flesh and blood?

Omoluabi16:
he he. hanty e Neva reach like that ohh

femi4:

Thomas case was after he appeared to the disciples. He appeared to the father before the disciples

Wow.. .Jesus Christ appear rose from the dead, then went and appeared before His Father before coming back to appear before His disciples?

Kobojunkiee:
john vs 14 said He came to earth in flesh. So, since he was still on earth when He rose, according to John 1vs 14, His flesh was still needed.
Also,

1Pet 3:18-20

For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

Kobojunkiee:
Wow.. .Jesus Christ appear rose from the dead, then went and appeared before His Father before coming back to appear before His disciples?

Read your Bible, no be me write am