enilove:

Jesus fasted , the disciples of John fasted and Jesus disciples fasted.

Do know more than these people or you feel they didn't understand or read the book if Isaiah?

I did not write Isaiah 58. It is God's message through His prophets much the same as Jesus Christ is.

ANTIlSLAM:

My God never prescribed breakfast meal with the hope of fasting for the day.. What is the essence fasting for a day that you've already eaten breakfast meal in the morning If you know the reason for your sahoor sincerely speaking you will hate your ramadhan

Your God also never asked you to skip a meal or starve yourself on His behalf either.

What is the eseensce of starving yourself of food all day when your God said He will not answer you? Isaiah 58.

Kobojunkie:
I did not write Isaiah 58. It is God's message through His prophets much the same as Jesus Christ is.

And Jesus did not understand the meanings ?

When you don't understand something , you ask questions to get understanding.

The book of Isaiah 58 did not tell you not to fast. It is simply saying that their attitudes and mindsets towards fasting was not right. As simple as that.

Jesus fasted for 40 days even after he received the Holy Spirit.
He also approved of fasting for his disciples.

Who are you to say fasting is wrong when our Lord Jesus did not say it is wrong ?

enilove:

And Jesus did not understand the meanings ?

When you don't understand something , you ask questions to get understanding.

The book of Isaiah 58 did not tell you not to fast. It is simply saying that their attitudes and mindsets towards fasting was not right. As simple as that.

Jesus fasted for 40 days even after he received the Holy Spirit.
He also approved of fasting for his disciples.

Who are you to say fasting is wrong when our Lord Jesus did not say it is wrong ?

Like Moses before Him, Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 day and nights, fasting as a result.

Note: The fasting was not the purpose but the result of His time out in the wilderness with God, in much the same way as the time Moses spent with God in the wilderness.

After that one time, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have fasted in the remaining 3 and half years He spent with His disciples. Instead He is recorded to have gone around doing "good works", something that God calls us all to doing instead in Isaiah 58.

Also be reminded that you are called to emulate Jesus Christ and not His disciples in anything since Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law you are bound to, and not His disciples.

Now, Isaiah 58 is God clearly telling you that your starving of your bodies is meaningless where He is concerned since He never asked you to do any such on His behalf.

In, Isaiah 58, God Himself clearly tells you what you should instead do when you think to "fast" in order to obtain a response from Him.

I know many of you like to pretend you know more than God but realize that He is God and you are not. Either you're doing what God commsnds or you are busy doing what you desire.

Warning. The average healthy adult human can only fast for a period of about 10 nights and 11 days, so please do not attempt to fast for 40 days and nights as Jesus Christ and Moses were recorded to have done while in the wilderness with God.

enilove:

And Jesus did not understand the meanings ?
When you don't understand something , you ask questions to get understanding.
The book of Isaiah 58 did not tell you not to fast. It is simply saying that their attitudes and mindsets towards fasting was not right. As simple as that.
Jesus fasted for 40 days even after he received the Holy Spirit.

The highlighted was a misconception!

If we're to go by what you people term as fasting then we can say Jesus never fasted at all!

First of all he never intended starving himself the way credulous religionists like you are doing now, it was God's Holy Spirit that directed Jesus into the wilderness (where there is no food) Secondly we should recall that the same thing happened to Moses and Elijah and it wasn't recorded as fasting because they never intended starving themselves! Exodus 34:27-28; 1Kings 19:8
Thirdly Jesus was hungry later something a person who intentionally fasted must not revealed according to Jesus himself {Matthew 6:16} and ever since then Jesus never repeated such showing that he didn't intentionally go on some hunger strike!
Lastly when other religionsts of his time noticed that his followers don't practice fasting they approached him! Matthew 9:14

Please if Jesus' truly instituted some kind of fasting do you think observers won't notice it, just as John's disciples could vouch for the Pharisees that they practice FASTING!

The truth is you people can't understand what is written in our book unless we teach you but if you feel you're ok with what you're doing we will leave you alone, it's just a pity that most ignorant ones in your midst are dying of stomach ulcers!

He also approved of fasting for his disciples.
Who are you to say fasting is wrong when our Lord Jesus did not say it is wrong ?

YES Jesus talked about FASTING but he wasn't referring abstinence from food!

Kobojunkie:
Your God also never asked you to skip a meal or starve yourself on His behalf either.

What is the eseensce of starving yourself of food all day when your God said He will not answer you? Isaiah 58.

Is it because den never born muhammad well while alive to fasted for a full day you think we Christians are starving by not observing your 1-0-1 method of fasting? Or is it because we are not involved in an unholy act as your paedophile messenger loves to always have sex while fasting you think we are starving ourselves while fasting as Christians?

ANTIlSLAM:

Is it because den never born muhammad well while alive to fasted for a full day you think we Christians are starving by not observing your 1-0-1 method of fasting? Or is it because we are not involved in an unholy act as your paedophile messenger loves to always have sex while fasting you think we are starving ourselves while fasting as Christians?

Pay attention!

God, in Isaiah 58, told you that that which you call fasting, even the starving of your bodies, is meaningless to Him. Instead of worrying about what the muslims do, why not focus instead on making sure that what you do is not meaningless worship where your God is concerned?

God instructs you to instead do good works on those days where you chose to fast and that only then will He definitely answer you- Isaiah 58 vs 6-14.

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention!

God, in Isaiah 58, told you that that which you call fasting, even the starving of your bodies, is meaningless to Him. Instead of worrying about what the muslims do, why not focus instead on making sure that what you do is not meaningless worship where your God is concerned?

God instructs you to instead do good works on those days where you chose to fast and that only then will He definitely answer you- Isaiah 58 vs 6-14.

Is allah directing you to the bush to see this or allah has blindfolded you as usual?


Esther 4:16

“Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my attendants will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.”

Matthew 4:2

And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry


Daniel 10:3

I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted was a misconception!

If we're to go by what you people term as fasting then we can say Jesus never fasted at all!

First of all he never intended starving himself the way credulous religionists like you are doing now, it was God's Holy Spirit that directed Jesus into the wilderness (where there is no food) Secondly we should recall that the same thing happened to Moses and Elijah and it wasn't recorded as fasting because they never intended starving themselves! Exodus 34:27-28; 1Kings 19:8
Thirdly Jesus was hungry later something a person who intentionally fasted must not revealed according to Jesus himself {Matthew 6:16} and ever since then Jesus never repeated such showing that he didn't intentionally go on some hunger strike!
Lastly when other religionsts of his time noticed that his followers don't practice fasting they approached him! Matthew 9:14

Please if Jesus' truly instituted some kind of fasting do you think observers won't notice it, just as John's disciples could vouch for the Pharisees that [b]they practice FASTING!

The truth is you people can't understand what is written in our book unless we teach you but if you feel you're ok with what you're doing we will leave you alone, it's just a pity that most ignorant ones in your midst are dying of stomach ulcers!

He also approved of fasting for his disciples.
Who are you to say fasting is wrong when our Lord Jesus did not say it is wrong ?

You people are truly Antichrist.

The Bible recorded that Jesus fasted for 40 days and you said it was not a fast.

Which book is your book and who is reading your book? Keep dreaming .

ANTIlSLAM:


Is allah directing you to the bush to see this or allah has blindfolded you as usual?


Esther 4:16

“Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my attendants will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.”
Matthew 4:2

And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry

Daniel 10:3

I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over

Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 days and 40 nights, fasting as a result, not as previously planned by Jesus Christ. In much the same way that Moses was said to have ended up doing when He was away with God on the mountain.

After that fateful event, Jesus Christ is never recorded to have fasted in that way or in any other way for the over three years He spent on earth.

In isaiah 58, God tells you that He never asked you to starve your bodies but instead that you obey His commmandments. He even goes ahead a new kind of fasting in Isaiah 58 vs 6-14. Are you in someway thinking your God was not serious at all when He made that declaration?

enilove:

You people are truly Antichrist.
The Bible recorded that Jesus fasted for 40 days and you said it was not a fast.

That's why i asked you what is FASTING?
How did Jesus teach his disciples to fast?
From what time till what time?
After all Muhammad explained how his own followers should go about fasting, so can you present Jesus' own?

Which book is your book and who is reading your book? Keep dreaming .

The Bible is our book!
The sign you people will see is that no matter how you carry it there will never be any positive results in your midst, everything you people are doing will remain the same as that of all other religions. Unlike true Christians that will stand out in all the places you find them! Matthew 5:13-16

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 days and 40 nights, fasting as a result, not as previously planned by Jesus Christ. In much the same way that Moses was said to have ended up doing when He was away with God on the mountain.

After that fateful event, Jesus Christ is never recorded to have fasted in that way or in any other way for the over three years He spent on earth.

In isaiah 58, God tells you that He never asked you to starve your bodies but instead that you obey His commmandments. He even goes ahead a new kind of fasting in Isaiah 58 vs 6-14. Are you in someway thinking your God was not serious at all when He made that declaration?

Please make effective use of your sight organ, don't just look away read everything I sent to you

Esther 4:16

“Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my attendants will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.”

Matthew 4:2

And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry


Daniel 10:3

I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over

ANTIlSLAM:


Please make effective use of your sight organ, don't just look away read everything I sent to you

Esther 4:16

“Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my attendants will fast as you do. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. And if I perish, I perish.”

Matthew 4:2

And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry


Daniel 10:3

I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over

Again....

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 days and 40 nights, fasting as a result, not as previously planned by Jesus Christ. In much the same way that Moses was said to have ended up doing when He was away with God on the mountain.

After that fateful event, Jesus Christ is never recorded to have fasted in that way or in any other way for the over three years He spent on earth.

In isaiah 58, God tells you that He never asked you to starve your bodies but instead that you obey His commmandments. He even goes ahead a new kind of fasting in Isaiah 58 vs 6-14. Are you in someway thinking your God was not serious at all when He made that declaration?

You are called to be a follower of Jesus Christ, of God, and not of Daniel and Esther.

Kobojunkie:
Like Moses before Him, Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 day and nights, fasting as a result.

Note: The fasting was not the purpose but the result of His time out in the wilderness with God, in much the same way as the time Moses spent with God in the wilderness.

After that one time, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have fasted in the remaining 3 and half years He spent with His disciples. Instead He is recorded to have gone around doing "good works", something that God calls us all to doing instead in Isaiah 58.

Also be reminded that you are called to emulate Jesus Christ and not His disciples in anything since Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law you are bound to, and not His disciples.

Now, Isaiah 58 is God clearly telling you that your starving of your bodies is meaningless where He is concerned since He never asked you to do any such on His behalf.

In, Isaiah 58, God Himself clearly tells you what you should instead do when you think to "fast" in order to obtain a response from Him.

I know many of you like to pretend you know more than God but realize that He is God and you are not. Either you're doing what God commsnds or you are busy doing what you desire.

Warning. The average healthy adult human can only fast for a period of about 10 nights and 11 days, so please do not attempt to fast for 40 days and nights as Jesus Christ and Moses were recorded to have done while in the wilderness with God.

Did Jesus condemn fasting when he was asked about fasting ?

Why did he not tell them there was no need ?

Kobojunkie:
Again.... You are called to be a follower of Jesus Christ, of God, and not of Daniel and Esther.

So the book of Isaiah 58 you emphasised on is refering to Christians? I qouted from Old and New testament just to burst your brain.

enilove:

Did Jesus condemn fasting when he was asked about fasting ?

Why did he not tell them there was no need ?

1. Why should He have condemned fasting? In Isaiah 58, did God condemn fasting or the starving of your bodies?

2. Recall that the New Covenant which He called them to, did not commence for even His disciples until after His Death. So while He was living, fulfilling the Old Covenant on their behalf, there was no need for them to continue partaking in Old Covenant ways. He instead had them focused on learning New Covenant way of doing things during that time.

She didn't confess to God why she wsa fasting.

Kobojunkie:

In isaiah 58, God tells you that He never asked you to starve your bodies but instead that you obey His commmandments. He even goes ahead a new kind of fasting in Isaiah 58 vs 6-14. Are you in someway thinking your God was not serious at all when He made that declaration?

Please read Isaiah 58:3 you'll understand the context of the passage better and Jesus Christ said in Matthew 6:16-18 that:

16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face,

18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

ANTIlSLAM:

So the book of Isaiah 58 you emphasised on is refering to Christians? I qouted from Old and New testament just to burst your brain.

When you open your Bible, does the book of Esther and Daniel come before or after Isaiah?

Isaiah 58 is the only place in Scripture where God Himself addresses the issue of fasting, and where He gives His own commandment as regards the how of fasting and the what of it.

And as I already made it clear before now, fasting was not the reason wh my Jesus Christ was led away by God into the wilderness, but like Moses, what resulted of His spending 40 days and nights in the Wilderness with God.

After that fateful event, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have gone without food in the name of "fasting" until He left this earth. Even so, He was tagged instead a glutton by the Pharisees for what could be this reason too.

MaxInDHouse:


That's why i asked you what is FASTING?
How did Jesus teach his disciples to fast?
From what time till what time?
After all Muhammad explained how his own followers should go about fasting, so can you present Jesus' own?

The Bible is our book!
The sign you people will see is that no matter how you carry it there will never be any positive results in your midst, everything you people are doing will remain the same as that of all other religions. Unlike true Christians that will stand out in all the places you find them! Matthew 5:13-16

I should ask you what is fasting and not the other way round.

So, Muhammad is now your benchmark to the right way .

You are have veils over your eyes and heart. You can't see but you claim you see , which is a tragedy.

I have great testimonies about miracles of God in my life. Tangible ones. I have had encounters with the Angels of God twice.

But because you have been beclouded , you won't ever believe . Even the plainly recorded ones world wide. You won't believe because you are in the wrong religion .

I have shared my testimonies here on nairaland couple of times.

All you people do to the Bible is twisting to suit your satanic ideologies .

ANTIlSLAM:


Please read Isaiah 58:3 you'll understand the context of the passage better and Jesus Christ said in Matthew 6:16-18 that:

16 “When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

17 But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face,

18 so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Wrong! Read the entire chapter to understand what God is saying to you. It is only 14 verse long and God more than explains Himself in it as far as what He thinks of you starving your bodies.

Kobojunkie:
When you open your Bible, does the book of Esther and Daniel come before or after Isaiah?

I don't like repeating myself, you emphasised on Isaiah 58 as your case study and I qouted from Esther 4:16 where God himself instructed the Israelite to fast but you went ahead saying We should follow the path of Jesus Christ thereby neglecting the fact that in Old testament it's either you're Jews, Hebrews or idol worshippers. Christian or Christianity is NOT in existence in the days of Prophet Isaiah.. Read Isaiah 58:3 and see what Jesus Christ said in New testament in Matthew 6:16-18 maybe you'll understand this better

Kobojunkie:
1. Why should He have condemned fasting? In Isaiah 58, did God condemn fasting or the starving of your bodies?

2. Recall that the New Covenant which He called them to, did not commence for even His disciples until after His Death. So while He was living, fulfilling the Old Covenant on their behalf, there was no need for them to continue partaking in Old Covenant ways. He instead had them focused on learning New Covenant way of doing things during that time.

When you fast you don't starve ?
How can that be ?
Was Jesus not hungered after his fasting ?

Secondly , did you not read where Jesus said his disciples will fast after his death ?

Kobojunkie:

Isaiah 58 is the only place in Scripture where God Himself addresses the issue of fasting, and where He gives His own commandment as regards the how of fasting and the what of it.

Kikikikikiki oh my God but you saw those verses I sent you? Bro pls just read, don't be ignorance finding it difficult to read nah

Kobojunkie:



And as I already made it clear before now, fasting was not the reason wh my Jesus Christ was led away by God into the wilderness, but like Moses, what resulted of His spending 40 days and nights in the Wilderness with God.

So you're aware that Moses fasted for 40 days whereas still condemning fasting and you even said only in Isaiah 58 fasting was mentioned, damn this is absolutely CONFUSION, why confusing yourself?

Kobojunkie:



After that fateful event, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have gone without food in the name of "fasting" until He left this earth. Even so, He was tagged instead a glutton by the Pharisees for what could be this reason too.
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Who is your Pastor?

ANTIlSLAM:


Kikikikikiki oh my God but you saw those verses I sent you? Bro pls just read, don't be ignorance finding it difficult to read nah



So you're aware that Moses fasted for 40 days whereas still condemning fasting and you even said only in Isaiah 58 fasting was mentioned, damn this is absolutely CONFUSION, why confusing yourself?



Who is your Pastor?

His pastor is Daddy freeze

enilove:

When you fast you don't starve ?
How can that be ?
Was Jesus not hungered after his fasting ?

Secondly , did you not read where Jesus said his disciples will fast after his death ?

1. When you engage in your "fasting", isn't the intent to deprive your bodies of sustenance?

2. Again, Jesus Christ was led by God into the wilderness where He spent 40 days and 40 nights - fasting was not the intent but the result of His being out there.

3. Jesus Christ said they when the bridegroom was no longer with them. He didn't say they would "fast" by starving their bodies though.

ANTIlSLAM:

I don't like repeating myself, you emphasised on Isaiah 58 as your case study and I qouted from Esther 4:16 where God himself instructed the Israelite to fast but you went ahead saying We should follow the path of Jesus Christ thereby neglecting the fact that in Old testament it's either you're Jews, Hebrews or idol worshippers. Christian or Christianity is NOT in existence in the days of Prophet Isaiah.. Read Isaiah 58:3 and see what Jesus Christ said in New testament in Matthew 6:16-18 maybe you'll understand this better

Isaiah 58 is not a case study but the God of Daniel, and Esther telling you the kind of fasting wants instead.

Christianity may not have existed during the time of Isaiah but the idea of fasting, is defined there by God overthose of the Christians for those Christians who will be interested in fasting. Jesus Christ never redefined fasting , nor did He prescribe a different approach to it.

ANTIlSLAM:

Kikikikikiki oh my God but you saw those verses I sent you? Bro pls just read, don't be ignorance finding it difficult to read nah

So you're aware that Moses fasted for 40 days whereas still condemning fasting and you even said only in Isaiah 58 fasting was mentioned, damn this is absolutely CONFUSION, why confusing yourself?

Who is your Pastor?

Moses, like Jesus Christ after Him, did not plan before that day to fast on the mountain. He was instead led their by God and stayed their with God, fasting as result.

I never said fasting is only mentioned in Isaiah 58,so no need to lie. I was clear that Isaiah 58 is where God Himself declares what He instead wants you to do on your day of "fasting".

My pastor is Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Isaiah 58 is not a case study but the God of Daniel, and Esther telling you the kind of fasting wants instead.

Mr Confusionist, I thought you're well equipped not knowing that you are as empty as ....

Esther 4:16a

“Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day.

Stop showcasing the level of your ignoramus here this is a public forum.. You said NO where Fasting is mentioned except in the Book of Isaiah 58, I qouted some verses to refuted your blunders but you still find it difficult to comprehend. WHO DID DIS TO YOU? May Almighty God in his infinite Mercy heal your confusion

Kobojunkie:
Moses, like Jesus Christ after Him, did not plan before that day to fast on the mountain. He was instead led their by God and stayed their with God, fasting as result.

I never said fasting is only mentioned in Isaiah 58,so no need to lie. I was clear that Isaiah 58 is where God Himself declares what He instead wants you to do on your day of "fasting".

My pastor is Jesus Christ.

But you said Isaiah 58 is the ONLY place where God addressed the issue of fasting, common stop all this nah you're just disgracing yourself

ANTIlSLAM:

But you said Isaiah 58 is the ONLY place where God addressed the issue of fasting, common stop all this nah you're just disgracing yourself

Yes, Isaiah 58 is the only place in all of scripture where God addresses the issue of fasting.

Now I ask you, what other place in the Bible do you have God Almighty making a similar declaration on the issue of fasting?

Kobojunkie:
1. When you engage in your "fasting", isn't the intent to deprive your bodies of sustenance?

2. Again, Jesus Christ was led by God into the wilderness where He spent 40 days and 40 nights - fasting was not the intent but the result of His being out there.

3. Jesus Christ said they when the bridegroom was no longer with them. He didn't say they would "fast" by starving their bodies though.

You said Jesus did not say they will fast when the bridegroom is no longer with them . Below is my proof :

Matthew 9:15 KJV
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they FAST.

Jesus was lead to the wilderness to do what , if fasting was not the intention ?
He just decided to fast for fun ?
Also , whether the main purpose was for fasting or not , at least , he fasted before beginning his missions.
That is to tell you the importance of fasting.

Why did the disciples of Jesus fasted if it wasn't necessary ?

Is there anyone who will want to fast without abstinence from food and water ?