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Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by wwwihy: 11:08pm On Sep 17, 2021
Why France is angry about the US and UK giving Australia nuclear-powered submarines


The French government says it was betrayed when Australia pulled out of their existing multi-billion dollar defense deal, agreeing instead to attain nuclear-powered submarines through a new deal with the United States and the United Kingdom.

The effort to provide Australia with nuclear-powered submarines -- a major step toward countering China as President Joe Biden works to build international backing for his approach to Beijing -- is part of a new trilateral partnership among the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom, dubbed "AUKUS."

High-ranking French officials said the AUKUS deal was a stab in the back and a move that "shows a lack of coherence."

In response to the trilateral agreement, a French official told CNN on Friday that France has recalled its ambassador to the US for "consultation" -- marking what's believed to be the first time the French have resorted to such a move in modern times.

The French ambassador to Australia has been recalled as well, the official said.
The French government has also scrapped an upcoming reception at the French Embassy in Washington, DC, and toned down celebrations to commemorate a a Revolutionary War naval victory by the French that helped the US to win its independence.

Why is France so angry about the trilateral deal?

France stands to lose the equivalent of $65 billion US dollars from an existing deal to provide Australia with conventional, diesel-powered submarines

The canceled deal with France, a major global weapons exporter, is expected to make a significant economic impact on the French defense sector. France also stands to lose out strategically in the Indo-Pacific, where the country holds significant interests.

On Thursday, after the nuclear-powered submarine deal with the US and the UK was announced, Australia formally announced it would be withdrawing from its previous contract for conventional submarines with France.

The deal with Paris had been in the works for years.

Australia previously planned to acquire 12 conventional attack-class submarines from the French shipbuilder Naval Group, which successfully beat out competing German and Japanese bids in 2016.

French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said he was "angry and bitter" about Australia's new submarine agreement.

"This isn't done between allies. It's really a stab in the back," he added.

The French foreign minister also had strong words for the US, saying: "This brutal and unilateral decision resembles a lot of what Trump is doing."

Le Drian also released a joint statement with French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly on Wednesday, saying, "The American choice to exclude a European ally and partner such as France from a structuring partnership with Australia, at a time when we are facing unprecedented challenges in the Indo-Pacific region, whether in terms of our values or in terms of respect for multilateralism based on the rule of law, shows a lack of coherence that France can only note and regret."

Le Drian said Australia's decision to withdraw from the agreement with France was "contrary to the letter and spirit of the cooperation that prevailed between France and Australia," but Australia has maintained that there were parts of their contract that allowed it to exit the deal.

The US decision to cut out one of its strongest allies, France, comes as global powers jockey for power in the Indo-Pacific -- largely against the threat of China.
The AUKUS announcement also came one day before the European Union was set to present its highly anticipated strategy for the Indo-Pacific.

The joint statement with Le Drian called France "the only European nation present in the Indo-Pacific with nearly two million citizens and more than 7,000 military personnel," and the statement affirmed that France is a "reliable partner that will continue to fulfill its commitments, as it has always done." It also said Australia's decision "reinforces the need to make the issue of European strategic autonomy loud and clear."

The submarine deal also comes on the heels of the messy withdrawal from Afghanistan, leading to criticism from NATO allies.

Australia and the US see things differently

The Americans and the Australians have indicated that the French government wasn't blindsided by the reneging of the original contract, saying high-ranking French officials were made aware of the decision by the Australian government.

"This was relayed directly to the president, relayed directly to the minister for Foreign Affairs and the minister for Defence," Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Friday.

Morrison said that when he met with French President Emmanuel Macron in late June, "I made it very clear -- we had a lengthy dinner there in Paris -- about our very significant concerns about the capabilities of conventional submarines to deal with the new strategic environment we're faced with. And I made it very clear that this was a matter that Australia would need to make a decision on in our national interest."

Australia's Defense Minister Peter Dutton said in a news conference on Thursday that the decision to choose the American nuclear-powered submarine over France's conventional diesel submarine "is based on what is in the best interests of our national security."

Dutton argued that "the French have a version which was not superior to that operated by the United States, the United Kingdom. And in the end, the decision that we have made is based on what is in the best interest of our national security."

Secretary of State Antony Blinken also sought to downplay the rift between the US and France, stressing the importance of Paris as "a vital partner" in the Indo-Pacific and around the world.

"I want to emphasize that there is no regional divide separating the interests of our Atlantic and our Pacific partners," Blinken said in remarks at the State Department on Thursday.

Blinken said the US welcomes "European countries playing an important role in the Indo-Pacific," adding that "France, in particular, is a vital partner on this and so many other issues stretching back generations, and we want to find every opportunity to deepen our trans-Atlantic cooperation in the Indo-Pacific and around the world."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/france-anger-over-nuclear-powered-submarines-explained/index.html

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by mightyhaze: 11:12pm On Sep 17, 2021
Their oil seal and gaskets are at stake here




They better consult madam social for solutions shocked

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by laiperi: 2:29am On Sep 18, 2021
This was already in before Biden but he could have cancelled it with heavy loss to US.

It has the finger print of Trump to punish France.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Praxis758: 2:35am On Sep 18, 2021
To the US, it is building alliance

To the UK, it is having a strong footing

To the Australian government it is self interest for protection to warn any foreign threat

While such a self interest by Australian govt to form such a strong alliance is a threat to the selfish interest of the French government.


The summary of all is that, in life, your self interest to pursue the course of success is a big threat that is secretly saddening some people.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by laiperi: 2:48am On Sep 18, 2021
Trump also encouraged Britain to pull out of EU and US will fill the trade loss. But EU isn't about trade alone. It is a different culture from US.

France overreacted instead of asking both US and Australia for some trade deal in return.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by hakeem4(m): 3:11am On Sep 18, 2021
I think France saw Joe Biden as a strong supporter of the transatlantic alliance, that there is going to be stability after a very long time after a very difficult time during the trump administration. But this is just tremendously disappointing to them. You know France and some European nations are not as ready to take confrontational approach to china in which the United state is advocating. Great Britain and Australia support the US advocacy on this. Now, as far as the submarine deal between the Australians and the French. The Australians have been complaining and unhappy about the deal, they said that they were Over-runs, delays and cyber security issues




summary of the deal, The French version was not as superior to that of the US

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Lexusgs430: 5:03am On Sep 18, 2021
Nah bad belleism...... cheesy

France don budget how to spend the money........
cheesy

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by olu77(m): 5:08am On Sep 18, 2021
Look at what developed countries are quarrelling over, nucleared submarine, life is indeed not fair.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Faithful007: 5:11am On Sep 18, 2021
This isn't about revenue, France. Its about countering China. They should stop whining about not being able to sell their diesel submarines to Australia.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Urbanchampion: 5:12am On Sep 18, 2021
laiperi:
This was already in before Biden but he could have cancelled it with heavy loss to US.

It has the finger print of Trump to punish France.

Topical PDP supporter embarassed embarassed embarassed

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by chronique(m): 5:14am On Sep 18, 2021
Hmmm
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by naijaguy123456(m): 5:16am On Sep 18, 2021
I can’t blame Australia here. The US and UK are world super power and having both behind you is any country dream. The fact France was overran during the world war and surrendered to Germany still tint their image till today. No one want a super power who was once whipping boy by Nazi German behind them and also Australia, UK and USA have one thing in common, same language!

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by omoyankee3(m): 5:17am On Sep 18, 2021
Power moves

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Caseless: 5:22am On Sep 18, 2021
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I like how the French government said "it was betrayed". All of you are known betrayers. You only stand where your interest lies.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by bamidbamid: 5:26am On Sep 18, 2021
My country is still after Sunday igboho, Nnamdi Kanu and fighting bandits and herdsmen..

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Enugurangers: 5:29am On Sep 18, 2021
It's called business. Australia went for the deal that pays them most. They are not like francophone African countries that the French Government controls like football.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by gambia(m): 5:30am On Sep 18, 2021
olu77:
Look at what developed countries are quarrelling over, nucleared submarine, life is indeed not fair.

Honestly, not fair indeed.
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Enugurangers: 5:30am On Sep 18, 2021
gambia:


Honestly, not fair indeed.
Hahaha lol
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Enugurangers: 5:30am On Sep 18, 2021
Caseless:
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I like how the French government said "it was betrayed". All of you are known betrayers. You only stand where your interest lies.
Don't mind them. The same France that has improvished Francophone countries in Africa and imposing dictators on them.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by tuoyoojo(m): 5:32am On Sep 18, 2021
At the end everyone looks out for their best interest

It's not personal, it's just business

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by TroubleMaker47(m): 5:38am On Sep 18, 2021
Why is France sad?
They should rest joor!
Your submarines are old school and very limited, you don't have the capacity to build mordern nuclear powered powerful submarines to counter Chinese threats, US and Uk stepped in to help and now you are screaming betrayal! Tahhh.
They should getat!!

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Sirpoint(m): 5:45am On Sep 18, 2021
Australia has done that which is in the interest of its national security.It would be an unwise insistence for Australia to keep buying submarines from France at an extortive rate when there are cheaper and more economic submarines from the US weapon producing companies.There is no reason for France to be angry at Australia's decision.Rather, it should be a wake up call to them to revitalise the weapons they produce. One thing is possible: Australia may decide to start getting submarines again from France if France starts producing submarines that are in many ways better, economic than the US-produced submarines

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by eaglechild: 5:48am On Sep 18, 2021
TroubleMaker47:
Why is France sad?
They should rest joor!
Your submarines are old school and very limited, you don't have the capacity to build mordern nuclear powered powerful submarines to counter Chinese threats, US and Uk stepped in to help and now you are screaming betrayal! Tahhh.
They should getat!!
France actually has about the most advanced nuclear tech. They discovered it anyway. It was about reneging on a previous agreement.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by muzeze77: 5:48am On Sep 18, 2021
Nuclear submarine can go years without need to refuel, diesel one needs refuel all the time

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by UncleKoboko: 5:52am On Sep 18, 2021
angry
Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Cousin9999: 5:52am On Sep 18, 2021
No one cares why those pervs are mad. They don't matter.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by elmessiahs(m): 5:56am On Sep 18, 2021
My interest must be very Paramount from today onwards because I have sacrificed alot to people who later forgot what I did as such, personal interest will lead my domestic and foreign affairs.

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by careytommy37(m): 6:02am On Sep 18, 2021
Even when Trump is no longer in the picture, they still blame him for all their woes. Clowns grin

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by Dproperties: 6:04am On Sep 18, 2021
Nuclear submarine is very important
You can be running under the sea for 80 years without coming out accept coming out for food and torpedoes supplies i like the machine

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by blackpanda: 6:04am On Sep 18, 2021
Cum and sell to Nigeria
We will borrow and pay you grin

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by htdot: 6:04am On Sep 18, 2021
laiperi:
This was already in before Biden but he could have cancelled it with heavy loss to US.

It has the finger print of Trump to punish France.
Do you read the article at all or you just feel like typing rubbish?

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Re: Why France Is Angry About The US And UK Giving Australia Nuclear Submarines by jaxxy(m): 6:04am On Sep 18, 2021
National interest supersedes business interests. They can’t possibly buy lesser submarines which won’t adequately serve them currently just because they want to patronize France.

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